Total Points

Just looking at our remaining fixtures how many points do you think we will end up with.?

I will bump this up at the end of the season and see who was the nearest.

My head tells me at best we will win 4  draw  3  lose.  6

Giving us a grand total of. 41 points and a bottom 2 finish.

Dunno. As has been said before clubs have stayed up with low 40s before and clubs have been relegated with 51 points.

We need to get enough points so that we finish above the 23rd place team be it on points, goal difference or goals scored.

Yesterday I thought we looked very low on confidence and players were making the safe choice every time to avoid making mistakes.

If we pick up a win and we get some confidence we have enough to go on a good run.

I think it’s unlikely we’re going to get anywhere near 40 points

At the minute, I can't see where we're gonna win one!  

Quoted from grimsby pete

Just looking at our remaining fixtures how many points do you think we will end up with.?

I will bump this up at the end of the season and see who was the nearest.

My head tells me at best we will win 4  draw  3  lose.  6

Giving us a grand total of. 41 points and a bottom 2 finish.

I say 35 points and that is me being optimistic

40 points maximum not enough to stay up sadly.

We have tightened up at the back recently, so are not shipping as many goals as before. But we are creating next to nothing up front, and the forwards we have don't convert what few chances we do create. So, quite frankly, it's hard to see us winning many of the remaining 13 games. I'd say four at the outside, and that is generous considering that we have won 1 of the last 12 since Hurst took over.  We might sneak a few draws, 0-0, and 1-1. Let's be kind and say we get four.

So that's four wins, four draws and five defeats. That sounds incredibly optimistic from where we are at form wise doesn't it? But it's still only 16 points. That would give us 42 points and that means relegation.

Looking on the dark side, if we continue the way we are going I could see us notching up a couple of wins and three draws. 9 points. Giving 35 in total.

So that's the range I am looking at, 35 to 42 points. Either way we are down.   It makes me sick to the stomach.

3 wins, 3 draws - 38 points. May as well furlough/send back anyone who wont be here next season now, and use some of our own youngsters to get them toughened up a bit ready for the conference.

Two wins four draws seven defeats = ten points. A grand total of thirty six points and bottom of league.

0 wins
4 draws
9 defeats.

Goals for 7
Goals against 24

37 points - doesn’t matter - Paul will re- build  -( is re - building) -  takeover or no takeover. The end of this season can’t come quick enough.
UTM

Before considering points, excluding 0 - 0's, where are the goals coming from for a win, According to the BBC for the last 6 games, 540 minutes of play plus extra time, we have produced the magnificent total of 10 shots on target.

You have accept the fact in the last third it's not happening, 1 shot on target every 54 minutes of play. Interestingly the first 5 games under Hurst the team produced 15 shots on goal in 450 minutes of play, 1 every 30 minutes.

Sorry to say we are progressing backwards so apart from a 0 - 0 I can't see many points coming our way.

Lucky Win 1
Bore Draw 4
Lose the rest
Humiliation, finish bottom and relegated before the season ends.
Hurst States we have improved and are keeping us shape.

Quoted from Azimuth

Lucky Win 1
Bore Draw 4
Lose the rest
Humiliation, finish bottom and relegated before the season ends.
Hurst States we have improved and are keeping us shape.

They have on the pitch. If you watch the pre match they're very good at going round in circles, also they practise sprinting to get to the cash machine quick to collect their wages.

Quoted from Teestogreen

37 points - doesn’t matter - Paul will re- build  -( is re - building) -  takeover or no takeover. The end of this season can’t come quick enough.
UTM

Re-building?

So which of this squad would you keep for a promotion challenge out of the National League.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Re-building?

So which of this squad would you keep for a promotion challenge out of the National League.

I believe I already posted that if they can't keep us in L2 then they'll be hopeless for promotion in the NL Macca, Rose and Wright as squad members and a nice stiff brush for the rest, including our inept management team.

Just my perception of what I think is happening.
Think PH is here for the long game - stay up or go down.
Going down is the preferable option for whoever is controlling this club imo.
Roll on the end of the season.

Quoted from Teestogreen

Just my perception of what I think is happening.
Think PH is here for the long game - stay up or go down.
Going down is the preferable option for whoever is controlling this club imo.
Roll on the end of the season.

20 more years before he collects his pension and retires!

There was a similar post earlier - 'How many points would we get from the critical 8 games in March' I predicted 10 - we have played 4 of those games & garnered a not impressive 2 points. We ain't getting 10.
I have thus lowered my expectations for the rest of the season - hope I'm wrong:-
2 wins. (I know -how?)
3 draws
8 defeats.
9 points - Total 35.

Quoted from Teestogreen

Just my perception of what I think is happening.
Think PH is here for the long game - stay up or go down.
Going down is the preferable option for whoever is controlling this club imo.
Roll on the end of the season.

So what exactly is he currently in the process of re-building?

Quoted from arryarryarry

So what exactly is he currently in the process of re-building?

Games room with a new dartboard.

Dave Booth ? Dave Boylen (Nah! New footballer good lad).
DB troll ? -     but why?

Quoted from Teestogreen

Dave Booth ? Dave Boylen (Nah! New footballer good lad).
DB troll ? -     but why?

Are you on planet earth or that rover on mars. Given the abysmal state the club is in I think the latter due to the time lapse of getting statistics to you.

Port Vale might continue to fail.  We are due some luck in a few games.  Maybe Covid-ravaged opponents giving us a chance?

Vale at home last game (is last game?). A slight 1 in 5 chance.  Better than nothing .

Maybe games limited to 60 mins?   We can hope.  The squad bonds together and improves.

Judging by the red crosses - think I’m right.
UTM - please put this club in some safe hands. The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Draws - 6
Lose - 5
Win 2

Total points - 38pts  (Bottom)

Quoted from Teestogreen

Judging by the red crosses - think I’m right.
UTM - please put this club in some safe hands. The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Now I was asked nicely by Ginny not to mention red crosses, but as you have mentioned it ( apologies Ginny) red crosses are now deemed a badge of honour. So thank you for mentioning how many people honour me. Of course if they didn't wish to honour me then they would stop. Positive thinking my friend!

Fortunate for me I have never been in an asylum. It is in very bad taste that you bring up the problems of people with mental health issues. It really shows what an illegitimate person you are.

This is a football site and the numbers of ex footballers with dementia is growing, some are household names. Then you have families who have had to cope with covid bringing all sorts of anxieties and stress in their lives. The families of the million of people who have died with covid, some watching the agony of loved ones die.

People who have lost their jobs and cannot cope financially and wondering where the next meal will come. Desperate for food from food banks, mothers under stress to feed their children. And this is just from covid.

Other in society are already suffering mental health issues caused with money worries, marriage break ups, pressure to keep a job while being bullied. Love to tell the gaffer to stuff it but have mortgage/rent and families to support. Totally stressed out and on medication to help them cope.

You are a horrid little insignificant illegitimate person for even suggesting lunatics and asylums. That said I do not wish harm or ill health but wish you would engage your brain before using a keyboard.

Oooh!! Nasty

2 points, I just can't see where the goals are going to come from to get many draws never mind any wins at the moment

Quoted from arryarryarry

Re-building?

So which of this squad would you keep for a promotion challenge out of the National League.

Is it possible for you to be just a little bit more dispassionate at times, and not to be totally blinded by your hatred of Hurst , so that a rational discussion could be had?

i will therefore take your post at face value.
IMHO a lot depends on whether the improvement we've shown in the last 3 games can be sustained. IF (and it's a big if, i grant you) then i'd say Eastwood (just because i've got a funny feeling he'll be freed in May) + McKeown (hopefully he's got his mojo back now), Hendrie, Hewitt,Menayese (again, i think he might be freed), Clifton, Wright, Lamy, Matete (if we could get him on a seasons loan, but i think he's destined for better things) of the current first choicers.
The million dollar question with Coke,Harbegham, Hanson, The Shop and Morais is whether they could sustain a long tough season. That's one you'll have to trust the manager on. FWIW i've been impressed with Coke, Hanson would be a real handful at that level as would Morais (plus i wonder whetherr we could use his coaching skills). The Shop might be a bit of a talisman, whilst a fully fit Harbegham should be good enough (although i fear his injury may limit him)
Out of the others i hope Spokes & Jackson get another chance whilst Waterfall, Pollock, & Gibson and Williams are here anyway. Would be nice if Pollock got sold for a few shekels, but the others don't fill me with any confidence.
It's the youngsters i fear for as Hurst isn't known for bringing them through, much as i'd like to see Adlard, Khouri, Idehen and Boyd be involved a bit more.

Hope i've answered your question

Quoted from forza ivano

Is it possible for you to be just a little bit more dispassionate at times, and not to be totally blinded by your hatred of Hurst , so that a rational discussion could be had?

i will therefore take your post at face value.
IMHO a lot depends on whether the improvement we've shown in the last 3 games can be sustained. IF (and it's a big if, i grant you) then i'd say Eastwood (just because i've got a funny feeling he'll be freed in May) + McKeown (hopefully he's got his mojo back now), Hendrie, Hewitt,Menayese (again, i think he might be freed), Clifton, Wright, Lamy, Matete (if we could get him on a seasons loan, but i think he's destined for better things) of the current first choicers.
The million dollar question with Coke,Harbegham, Hanson, The Shop and Morais is whether they could sustain a long tough season. That's one you'll have to trust the manager on. FWIW i've been impressed with Coke, Hanson would be a real handful at that level as would Morais (plus i wonder whetherr we could use his coaching skills). The Shop might be a bit of a talisman, whilst a fully fit Harbegham should be good enough (although i fear his injury may limit him)
Out of the others i hope Spokes & Jackson get another chance whilst Waterfall, Pollock, & Gibson and Williams are here anyway. Would be nice if Pollock got sold for a few shekels, but the others don't fill me with any confidence.
It's the youngsters i fear for as Hurst isn't known for bringing them through, much as i'd like to see Adlard, Khouri, Idehen and Boyd be involved a bit more.

Hope i've answered your question

I agree with just about everything here, except I would imagine those on deals for next season that are obviously not in the managers plans to be paid off, as part of the new owners commitment to sorting the club out. Regarding those worth offering a new deal to, based on recent form I completely agree. And I also fear for the youth, can't see many opportunities for them. For example I would like to see Starbuck on the bench at the minute, worth a try as an attacking wide player when others in this position are either injured or out of form.

Quoted from forza ivano

Is it possible for you to be just a little bit more dispassionate at times, and not to be totally blinded by your hatred of Hurst , so that a rational discussion could be had?

i will therefore take your post at face value.
IMHO a lot depends on whether the improvement we've shown in the last 3 games can be sustained. IF (and it's a big if, i grant you) then i'd say Eastwood (just because i've got a funny feeling he'll be freed in May) + McKeown (hopefully he's got his mojo back now), Hendrie, Hewitt,Menayese (again, i think he might be freed), Clifton, Wright, Lamy, Matete (if we could get him on a seasons loan, but i think he's destined for better things) of the current first choicers.
The million dollar question with Coke,Harbegham, Hanson, The Shop and Morais is whether they could sustain a long tough season. That's one you'll have to trust the manager on. FWIW i've been impressed with Coke, Hanson would be a real handful at that level as would Morais (plus i wonder whetherr we could use his coaching skills). The Shop might be a bit of a talisman, whilst a fully fit Harbegham should be good enough (although i fear his injury may limit him)
Out of the others i hope Spokes & Jackson get another chance whilst Waterfall, Pollock, & Gibson and Williams are here anyway. Would be nice if Pollock got sold for a few shekels, but the others don't fill me with any confidence.
It's the youngsters i fear for as Hurst isn't known for bringing them through, much as i'd like to see Adlard, Khouri, Idehen and Boyd be involved a bit more.

Hope i've answered your question

Stop being a knob.

First of all I was responding to a poster who said Hurst was re-building and asked the genuine question in what way did he think he was re-building whilst his team is sinking into the National League.

I don't hate Paul Hurst I just don't rate him as a manager, I never did when he was here last time and I certainly don't rate him now the way he is single handidly dragging us down by turning us into a worse performing team than Holloway did.

I doubt many of the players we currently have not contracted for next season will want to drop down to the National League, Eastwood for example.

McKewan was already here and is contracted for next season but has probably had his worst season so hopefully we could do better.

I would expect Hendrie to be freed he is probably on a high salary. Possibly the same with Hewitt who I would admit has played well recently. Menayese may not want to drop another level.

Clifton and Wright were already here, Clifton may be handed another contract.

Matete I would think would want to play at a higher level, Lamy may be a decent choice depending on his performances for the rest of the season.

Coke,Harbegham, Hanson, The Shop, Morais and Rose, well we are stuck with Morais and Rose for another season but Morais has been here several weeks now and still doesn't look fit enough to last a game, the same with Rose who has been here all season. As for the others do we really want to be building a team to get out of the National League around those players who are clearly injury prone and past their best.

We are also stuck with Scannell, Gibson and Williams who I would suggest the club would want off their books.

We are also stuck with Waterfall who will probably stay. Pollock may think he is better than the National League but who ever stays we can't have a centre-back pairing of the two as they have not been good enough this season.

Bunney I would expect and hope will be released.

I really don't have any idea what PH thinks of Jackson and Gibson who are contracted for at least the next season.

Both Holloway and Hurst have relied on signing unfit senior pros and it hasn't worked and they must accept the responsibility for that.

As for Hurst re-building, I just don't see it unless he wants to go into next season with players that struggle to play half the matches.

I would add that if he keeps us up then give him the freedom of the Town but if we go down give him a P45.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Stop being a knob.

First of all I was responding to a poster who said Hurst was re-building and asked the genuine question in what way did he think he was re-building whilst his team is sinking into the National League.

I don't hate Paul Hurst I just don't rate him as a manager, I never did when he was here last time and I certainly don't rate him now the way he is single handidly dragging us down by turning us into a worse performing team than Holloway did.

I doubt many of the players we currently have not contracted for next season will want to drop down to the National League, Eastwood for example.

McKewan was already here and is contracted for next season but has probably had his worst season so hopefully we could do better.

I would expect Hendrie to be freed he is probably on a high salary. Possibly the same with Hewitt who I would admit has played well recently. Menayese may not want to drop another level.

Clifton and Wright were already here, Clifton may be handed another contract.

Matete I would think would want to play at a higher level, Lamy may be a decent choice depending on his performances for the rest of the season.

Coke,Harbegham, Hanson, The Shop, Morais and Rose, well we are stuck with Morais and Rose for another season but Morais has been here several weeks now and still doesn't look fit enough to last a game, the same with Rose who has been here all season. As for the others do we really want to be building a team to get out of the National League around those players who are clearly injury prone and past their best.

We are also stuck with Scannell, Gibson and Williams who I would suggest the club would want off their books.

We are also stuck with Waterfall who will probably stay. Pollock may think he is better than the National League but who ever stays we can't have a centre-back pairing of the two as they have not been good enough this season.

Bunney I would expect and hope will be released.

I really don't have any idea what PH thinks of Jackson and Gibson who are contracted for at least the next season.

Both Holloway and Hurst have relied on signing unfit senior pros and it hasn't worked and they must accept the responsibility for that.

As for Hurst re-building, I just don't see it unless he wants to go into next season with players that struggle to play half the matches.

I would add that if he keeps us up then give him the freedom of the Town but if we go down give him a P45.

He can have his P45 now for me. Stats prove his first 12 games are far worse than Holloways. In different ways Hurst is just as bad as Holloway and as for the NL, it's a different league now to when we were in it last time. A lot of ex league teams.