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| February 28, 2021, 4:28pm |
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Hurst has had 8 games but he must of had 3 weeks with no games to coach and drill the team.
I didn’t want hurst but i thought he would tighten us up at the back and get some nil nils and the odd one nil win and we would just scrape safety.
But games are running out i think Barrow are down then it’s us Southend possibly Colchester
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| DB |
| February 28, 2021, 4:39pm |
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You do realise the side is at the bottom of L2?  The last manager’s efforts at expansive footie and playing it out from the back with inadequate players went well didn’t it? I am with you in being anti-lump it but we have a manager whose middle name is Pragmatic. If anything we should be trying to get the ball out of our box and into theirs even quicker. I hate it but maybe missing out midfield and winning the second and third ball is our best bet with the players we have.
Didn't see one in the last 2 games, just a 10/11 man defence |
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| Zmariner |
| February 28, 2021, 4:56pm |
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Historically, I have been a huge Hurst fan.
I have seen all of the games since his return with the exception of Newport away and Harrogate (when I saw the lineup for the game yesterday I refused to subscribe)
In the games that I have seen I have not seen one good performance yet, generally we have been run around at home with periods where we looked okay.The away games have been pretty appalling. I am desperately looking for a glimmer somewhere but I do think two home games this week means four points as a bare minimum and another gutless offering like yesterday will kill us
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| February 28, 2021, 5:09pm |
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We really have to sink or swim with Hurst. We don’t have the time left to change our manager again. Even if we wanted to or had to.
Therefore, we need to back him and the team in any way that we can.
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| arryarryarry |
| February 28, 2021, 7:00pm |
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It's fair to point out that Holloway's side did indeed pick up enough points here and there to keep us out of the bottom two, however our trajectory from mid-October (when we lost at home to Harrogate, when Edwards got injured) was clear to see.
Our FA Cup defeat to Dagenham was depressing, and then we followed that up with a 5-0 defeat at Tranmere.
Even when we won, we were far from convincing. We scraped wins against Scunny and Barrow, and the win at Crawley only came after we went behind early on (conceding early goals was a feature of Holloway's tenure).
The only times this season we've looked anything other than average to abysmal was in the win at Cheltenham and in fits and starts against Orient.
The bare facts are that we've lost 6 of Hurst's 8 games in charge, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. If Hurst hadn't tried to change personnel when we'd been so chronically dull and goal shy, he'd have been criticised (in fact he was for continuing to play Matt Green).
He's tried to change it — not because he wanted to, but because he had to. Stick with what we had, and we were going down. Twist, and maybe we'd have a chance of staying up.
The 'twist' hasn't paid off either, as things stand right now. It's shown signs that it might (first half v Newport; the win on Tuesday night) but, once more, it's slim pickings.
I also just want to dispel this myth that Hurst played for 1-0s in non-league.
We never had any problems scoring under his stewardship first time round. We always had really useful (if not great) strikers at the club who could bag plenty, and as limited as LJL is, Hurst got a great goalscoring season out of him. We won by some pretty big margins (I seem to remember us scoring 7 v Stockport, Halifax and Alfreton; 6 against Gateshead and 5 against a few teams too.
At the start of the 15/16 season we scored 21 goals in our first 9 games, scoring 4 on 3 occasions. A few games later we scored another 4 at Southport and 7 against Halifax.
I'm not claiming Hurst is some sort of secret and under-appreciated attacking guru, just that this label of being negative (Parslow Point) came back to bite him far less than we like to remember. But those are the memories that stick, evidently — not the 5-0 win over Altrincham, or the 4-0 and 4-3 wins over Aldershot, or the 4-1 win over Bromley, or the 4-0 win at Woking...
Even when we were back in the league, we had Bogle finding the back of the net regularly. Hurst may be displaying some negative tendencies right now, which, given the context, may be down to a lack of confidence in the players he inherited, and not having a pre-season to work with the players he's since signed.
It's really harsh to judge him on these eight games alone. Naturally we're all disappointed and frustrated at how they've played out, but whether we like the bloke or we dislike him for cupping his ear, losing 1-0 home to Braintree, etc, we know he can build a squad with good characters and decent strikers.
Circumstances created by Fenty, Day, Holloway, etc means he's being made to work with one hand tied behind his back. I'm desperate for him to succeed because that'll mean we stay up.
I'm sure he's already looking back and wondering if he should have done certain things differently, but we as a club are bleeding badly and we just don't have enough plasters. We need a Jolley-esque turn-around now; not beyond the realms of possibility, but given that we've tried every single type of manager (young, old, ex-Premier League) and none of them have had any success, Hurst is realistically our best bet for this situation right now.
He might not save us, and he should take a slice of the blame given the amount of games he's had to turn it around, but let's keep the criticism of him fair and in the context of what's come before.
Isn't it fair to say that we are still playing shite and are in a worse position than when he came? |
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| carrot top |
| February 28, 2021, 7:12pm |
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I blamed PH yesterday and still do to a degree but the players were awful all over the pitch. What has happened to Hendrie atm as he is a totally different player this season(lack of confidence?).
There was hardly any football played yesterday just hoofing. The only bright light was Morais when he came on. Should never have been left out. Ps what was Payne doing all game along with Coke and others. Utter garbage and I will be amazed if we escape. Peed off Mariner
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| lew chaterleys lover |
| February 28, 2021, 7:28pm |
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The same people suggesting Payne being frustrated about going off are the same people complaining the players don’t care. I really don’t see how you think the January signings are worse than what they replaced. Do you want Green and Macca back or were you one of those slating them a month ago.
I think the January signings are no better than those they replaced because I can see it with my own eyes. The keeper is a huge upgrade, but if the others are better than their predecessors they better start showing it asap. To be fair, I think the more pertinent question is why isn't Hurst getting a tune out of them? |
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| petethemariner |
| February 28, 2021, 7:30pm |
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Although I read the Fishy on a daily basis, I haven't posted for a long time, however following yesterdays ridiculous team selection, I find
even after more than 24 hours my annoyance and disbelief at the so called 'tactics' employed by our management team mean I have to comment.
I am sure we all hoped when Hurst was reappointed (and following his success at Shrewsbury) that this over analysing, over hyping of opponents had gone from his character, sadly it appears not, we totally changed the shape of our team, played an extra defender, leaving us with absolutely no attacking width and for what reason? Because Harrogate, a mediocre club in its first year in the FL have a couple of big players and a long throw merchant, Insanity! Perm any 4 of the 5 defenders selected and they have all played CB, another one was absolutely not needed.
Scrambling goalless draws at the likes of Harrogate will not save us from our likely relegation to the abyss, it's 3 points and 3 points on a regular basis that is needed and will only be achieved by a positive, proactive team selection, we currently have an enormous squad, ok
plenty of dross in it, but I cannot believe that yesterdays team was the best Hurst and Doig can come up with.
Time is very short for us. In 3 months time we could be non league again, so if it is to happen again let's at least say we had a proper , POSITIVE go at survival.
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| pen penfras |
| February 28, 2021, 7:58pm |
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Hadn't Holloway already started "dispiriting" the team, moving players on without telling them, dissing them in the media and saying he needed half a team in the window?
I said further, it was obvious that Holloway had upset the apple cart when the whole Mohsni nonsense happened. I still think Hurst has done worse than we would have with Holloway in charge. And I never wanted Holloway in, but did want Hurst. |
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| DB |
| February 28, 2021, 8:06pm |
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I think the January signings are no better than those they replaced because I can see it with my own eyes. The keeper is a huge upgrade, but if the others are better than their predecessors they better start showing it asap.
To be fair, I think the more pertinent question is why isn't Hurst getting a tune out of them?
Normally I'm positive but this is the day after Hi Ho Hi Ho It's out the league we go |
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