New keeper Monday

Quoted from Chrisblor

Err it's one of the fundamental basics they teach you as a keeper:

[img]https://i.imgur.com/3txb3Wc.jpg[/img]

Look, this shows where you should be stood as a goalkeeper based on the position of the ball on the pitch. The ball is played from area 3, showing McKeown should have been stood in area 3 near his own penalty spot. Instead he's off back near his own 6 yard box meaning he can't get to the ball after the defenders have (stupidly) let it go over their heads. If his positioning had been correct they wouldn't have scored. This (and all his other intercourse-ups this season) is why he is getting flack.

where are you expecting him to be when the ball has come down in the D? Looking at that diagram.

Quoted from Chrisblor

Have another look at it yourself. McKeown's starting position was inside his own 6 yard box when the ball was still in the other half. If he'd been stood further forward like he should have been he'd have easily collected it before their player got a touch.

Agreed. Alisson would've been on his penalty spot at least (I know he's a top keeper but the principles are the same). If you have to come out the area and hoof it clear then so be it.

Don't forget he gave away a dangerous freekick when he panicked and handled it out of his box. I always defend keepers, because from first hand knowledge, every other player is a goalkeeping expert and always know what you should do. This season though, Macca has given away quite a few goals, and I think it is mainly down to lack of self confidence when he is faced with a difficult situation. He never has commanded his box, which makes the rest of the defence wary, and unsure.

Thing is, can we bring in someone that is any better at this late stage?

Quoted from Gaffer58

I assume we don’t have a goalkeeping coach, if we do then he needs to go because Macca’s  got worse this season.

Yes we have a goalkeeping coach.

He came in when Macca was dropped and let in the softest goal of the season. It would be funny if it was not so tragic.

Like everything else associated with this club, you couldn't make it up!

I'm beginning to wonder if this is not some weird experiment in comedy performance art.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

where are you expecting him to be when the ball has come down in the D? Looking at that diagram.

From where he might have reasonably expected Waterfall to header the ball, he should have been around 8-9 yards out, pretty much where the ball was put in from. That graphic shows GK positioning for when the opposition is in possession of the ball, not necessarily where the ball is. With the ball in the air the GK can reasonably be expected to be positioned a little further forward.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

where are you expecting him to be when the ball has come down in the D? Looking at that diagram.

When the ball is in their half, he should be on the penalty spot.

Quoted from immariner

From where he might have reasonably expected Waterfall to header the ball, he should have been around 8-9 yards out, pretty much where the ball was put in from. That graphic shows GK positioning for when the opposition is in possession of the ball, not necessarily where the ball is. With the ball in the air the GK can reasonably be expected to be positioned a little further forward. Sorry Headingley, you're a sound chap but you ain't winning this one.

I think it’s very hard to pin that on the keeper, but I’m not a goalkeeping coach.
I also think there’s quite a lot of unknown because the pictures don’t show where he started when the ball was launched. I would also expect given the wind as it was today a keepers starting position may be deeper.

Last time we were relegated we had Nick Colgan in goal and he was completely bobbins, a massive contributing factor in us getting relegated. I’m not saying Mckeown is the best keeper at this level, but I think he’s thoroughly competent.
I don’t want to slag the defenders off either because to be fair they played alright today and I think they’re decent at this level, it’s them who will have to get us out of this excrement.
Hurst alluded to it maybe being a really good ball, I think it’s more luck but he’s sliced the defence from 60 yards with an aimless hoof. We have a thread about the keeper every time there’s a dubious goal, I think he’s just a victim of being here a long time and I can think of many worse number 1’s we’ve had at this level.

Macca has made so many howlers this season

Without even having to think about it too much there are the ones that stand out straight away

Twice I think he’s rushed to the left of his goal to spoon back in a ball that was going out safely, that resulted in instant goals

The one where he kicked the ball into his own net

What the fell was doing today even, with that handball outside of his box

We used to think of Macca as Mr Dependable, so steady, with worldly saves in his locker too. He looks devoid of all of this these days

Should have been upgraded when we got back in the league, along with most other positions. The reason we are in the sh1te yet again, is because we have stood still with recruitment.

Waterfall made a mistake, but Macca should have been in a position to correct that mistake. The last line of defence has let us down too many times and cost enough points this season that we could be 2 or 3 places higher. You can get away with it if you are safe mid table but not when every point matters.

Get someone in for Monday if it's possible.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

When the ball is in their half, he should be on the penalty spot.

I think we will probably agree to disagree, but assuming you were not sat in the stands how can you or I tell where he was when it was pumped from their half?