Hurst

Does Hurst get a free pass this season?

Don't remember Woodsy getting a free pass in 09/10.

Quoted from Tommy

Does Hurst get a free pass this season?

Don't remember Woodsy getting a free pass in 09/10.

He did have rather longer in charge though. But regardless of that, Woods had never managed a club before. (and has never managed another one since.)  It was madness to drop him in at the deep end of a relegation fight. I blame the board for that.

You need experience in these situations. Hurst rescued Shrewsbury from the drop when all looked lost, so I think he could keep us up. But only if he can bring in a few more quality players.  

But with a squad as bad as ours it is more likely than not that we will go down, so staying would be an achievement.  

I think another difference between 2010 and now is that in 2010 most of us simply couldn't believe that we would go down. Now many seem resigned to the drop.

I think our expectations are different now because, due to past experience, we know exactly what a relegation team looks like. And we are looking at one right now.

We need three or four new faces at a minimum in my view.  

Just listened to the James Hanson interview from last night. Clearly impressed by Hurst and Doig training and referred to ex manager as Holloway.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Just listened to the James Hanson interview from last night. Clearly impressed by Hurst and Doig training and referred to ex manager as Holloway.

Yeah I've just listened to it too. Interesting few little snippets to take away from it like you say.

If the players are not good enough and well below the standard for L2, what can Hurst do halfway through the season? They appear not to have any fight and Macca, who has rescued us so many times in the past, is having a bad time of it. They are shot shy and cannot score even one goal, a problem that has. plagued us for some time.
The best Hurst can do now is damage limitation. He is lumbered with what the previous manager left behind. I gather they are good at darts, though.
I remember the debacle in 2006 when we lost to Cheltenham in the play-off final. We had not lost to them before that game, I don't believe. They have no heritage, we've got loads but they have progressed giving City a scare last night and we have regressed to the bottom. We have had some great players at this club and played at a high level, done our share of giant killing over the years and always had loyal support.
We always had a reputation for playing attractive, passing football and had some great managers- Shankly, Lawrie Mac, Alan Buckley etc. How on earth has all of this heritage been lost? The club has totally lost its way. Change is needed and big change. I wonder if the incoming owners can provide it- but it won't be achieved overnight if they can.

Quoted from RonMariner

He did have rather longer in charge though. But regardless of that, Woods had never managed a club before. (and has never managed another one since.)  It was madness to drop him in at the deep end of a relegation fight. I blame the board for that.

You need experience in these situations. Hurst rescued Shrewsbury from the drop when all looked lost, so I think he could keep us up. But only if he can bring in a few more quality players.  

But with a squad as bad as ours it is more likely than not that we will go down, so staying would be an achievement.  

Yeah I get that it's not a complete like-for-like comparison. I was half just playing devil's advocate really, but also it is actually worth remembering that Woodsy didn't get a free pass on was generally thought of as responsible for taking us down.

Hurst has half a season which includes a transfer window. I know he's been left a excrement squad, but having watched our games before he took over he would've already had an idea what we needed.

I've seen a poster elsewhere suggest that Hurst could well keep us up as long as he can bring in some better players. I don't mean to sound negative or brutal, but thats part of a manager's job, to bring in better players. And if we can't get a 20-goal-a-season striker in, just get a 10-goal-a-season striker because that'll still be a massive improvement on our seemingly undroppable Matt f***ing Green.

Just to note. I am trying to be optimistic and do still think PH can keep us up.

Hurst is a manager who needs players he can trust and who grasp his way of playing. He would not have been my choice and I didn’t rate him before,  but he’s here and we can’t start changing again. If Hurst can sign two,  three or four players he has worked with before then I think we might escape. Otherwise I don’t think he can get much out of the present squad and we’ve had it.

I don't blame Hurst for anything at this point. We all know the blame for our predicament lies elsewhere. I do question his ability to motivate these players who clearly are not performing for him or the club. I can understand  his frustration and anger after seeing that last performance, but kicking a@se and taking names doesn't work for everyone. Imagine your boss coming in and announcing to you and your workmates that your a" bunch of losers, your not up to the job and your going to be replaced". What would your response be? I'm sure some would say, "I better knuckle down or I'm out",  others may say "fcuk you". So, my only point was people are motivated in different ways. One way or another we have to find the key to get this crew operating at a different level if we are to avoid the drop, because I am not sure the cavalry, in the form of new signings, is coming in time to save the day.

Quoted from chipsandgravy

Always easy from the comfort of your armchair!!

Sorry Chips, something far more important than this conversation cropped up...................................Countryfile was on !