Brexit deal agreed

Quoted from codcheeky

Whose a remoaner,I voted to leave to get our waters back, Johnson has completely failed in this, they are even allowed to fish within our 12 mile limit. If you want to see it’s a a positive it’s your choice, the fact is we caved in on fishing to get a deal, we have our sovereignty but not our waters. Norway have a much better deal no one but them can fish their seas without permission. So we got back a tiny bit of our own fish wow
Not interested in who won or lost, this is not much different to Mays deal, but I am sure the spin will be different. I would expect the local MPs to vote against because it sold the fishing industry down the river, However it seems Starmer will back it so it should sail through

No doubt they'll be giving their quotes on how it's a fantastic deal.
I'll pretty sure they'll both vote for it without a thought for a local industry.
Let's face it there both not exactly champions for local issues.

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We can now catch MORE of our own fish than we could when we were in the EU.

You'll never please the remoaners Boris mate, those that insisted we get a deal.

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Boris Johnson has lied to the fishing industry and sold it out for a deal , you can choose to believe his propaganda machine or you can look at the facts, I believe we will do ok outside the U.K. but pretending it is anything but a poor deal for U.K. sovereignty over its waters is just stupid, and to think for many that wasn’t the main point of Brexit is very strange

Unusual for a 'trade deal' to add so many restrictions to trading instead of removing them, but that's the nature of the beast with Brexit.

Anyway, as expected, the fishing industry has been chucked under a bus. Unfortunately, so has the services sector which is one of the biggest contributors to our economy. Not too many extra impediments for the manufacturing sector, thankfully.

Ultimately, not as much of a shitshow as no deal at all but obviously worse terms than membership of the EU or EFTA. Screwed over the ease with which our kids can study, live and work abroad as well, of course. Let's hope that our extra sovereignty is worth it.

Not an encouraging start that the bill going through parliament (which will pass as Keir 'Bloody Useless' Starmer is whipping his MPs to support it), contains clauses to allow ministers to effectively make up the law at will without going to parliament. Can you imagine just what sort of nonsense the current bunch of no-marks will come up with?

Quoted from Maringer

Unusual for a 'trade deal' to add so many restrictions to trading instead of removing them, but that's the nature of the beast with Brexit.

Anyway, as expected, the fishing industry has been chucked under a bus. Unfortunately, so has the services sector which is one of the biggest contributors to our economy. Not too many extra impediments for the manufacturing sector, thankfully.

Ultimately, not as much of a shitshow as no deal at all but obviously worse terms than membership of the EU or EFTA. Screwed over the ease with which our kids can study, live and work abroad as well, of course. Let's hope that our extra sovereignty is worth it.

Not an encouraging start that the bill going through parliament (which will pass as Keir 'Bloody Useless' Starmer is whipping his MPs to support it), contains clauses to allow ministers to effectively make up the law at will without going to parliament. Can you imagine just what sort of nonsense the current bunch of no-marks will come up with?

Labours position is irrelevant.
The Conservatives have an ample majority for it to pass.

As the ERG nutters have apparently decided it will be OK for them, I realise that Labour's position is irrelevant in the vote itself, but by whipping they are appearing to back it completely. When the inevitable fallout occurs, they'll be seen as complicit and can't argue they'd have done anything different.

I'd imagine Starmer feels he has to be seen as being decisive on something as he's been so reluctant to take a stand before now, but this isn't the time or the place in my view. Abstain and make clear that you've done so because it is a weak deal in so many respects. It might hurt in the shorter-term, but the next election is a long way off and people's memories are short.

Yeah, it's a bit late for Labour to get decisive over Brexit.

Quoted from ginnywings

Wasn't meant as an insult,  sorry you saw it that way.

Dominic Cummings came up with strategy they used. The big red bus and everything. Watch the film they made about it, starring Benedict Cumberbatch.

Taking back control    was Cummings' tag line

It was he that added the "back" in to the "taking control" notion....

Quite a shrewd move because it made those who wanted to leave think they would be getting something tangible back that had been taken away from them rather than just enforcing the concept of the UK government controlling things independently (budgets etc)

Quoted from codcheeky

Whose a remoaner,I voted to leave to get our waters back, Johnson has completely failed in this, they are even allowed to fish within our 12 mile limit. If you want to see it’s a a positive it’s your choice, the fact is we caved in on fishing to get a deal, we have our sovereignty but not our waters. Norway have a much better deal no one but them can fish their seas without permission. So we got back a tiny bit of our own fish wow
Not interested in who won or lost, this is not much different to Mays deal, but I am sure the spin will be different. I would expect the local MPs to vote against because it sold the fishing industry down the river, However it seems Starmer will back it so it should sail through

As predicted both local MP's voted for the trade deal.
No doubt they'll have some soundbites around the local fishing industry & then that'll be the last we hear about it.

Quoted from grimsby pete

I know that Ginny hence my wink.

We are free to make our  own deals now and we will make them on better terms.

Stop being so defeatist .

Pete, he’s being defeatist because we lost. It’s 1944 and we’re Germany. We beat ourselves. Suicide.

Quoted from grimsby pete

I second what PP says we joined a common market not the United States of europe.

We are better off making our own rules, laws and deals not been told by other unelected ( by us ) people.

Like intercourse we are! 😂😂😂😂

Sure you’ve seen evidence of the last few months.