442

Can anyone explain to me why we are not playing 442 or at least giving it a go ?

We reverted to that in our second game of the season , Harrogate couldn’t handle us and they only grabbed a draw due to exhaustion on our part.

Since then bar Cheltenham away we have tinkered with 3-4-3, 3-5-2, 4-3-3 and for the main part looked absolute shite.

I like olly and we certainly won’t get a more experienced manager to come here again, though he is beginning to strike me as a man that can’t be wrong in his opinion or tactics. Which is all rather worrying as we muddle from one game to the next with little or no cohesion.

You need 2 strikers good enough to play to play 442 for a start. We only have 1 and he's always injured.

We don't seem to have 3 front men good enough to operate across the top either.

As for Hanson, he is the biggest disappointment and waste of money this side of Matt Green.

Pay them both off and free up the circa £5k a week in wages in it is costing us to keep the under performing  has beens.

Quoted from male private Nale

We don't seem to have 3 front men good enough to operate across the top either.

As for Hanson, he is the biggest disappointment and waste of money this side of Matt Green.

Pay them both off and free up the circa £5k a week in wages in it is costing us to keep the under performing  has beens.

How will paying them off free up £5k a week?

Quoted from pen penfras

How will paying them off free up £5k a week?

Hanson on £4988 - 12p  a week   Green on £11 - 88p          only Green worth it

You obviously come to a severance agreement, with 6 months left on their contract you offer to pay them a set amount which allows them to sign elsewhere, getting a pay off from previous club and a chance to get a new deal signing on fee etc. or in greens case just signing on.

For what its worth Green is on £2k a week, he bought a house just recently and my friend was mortgage broker and he submitted 3 months of wages slips, I would be inlcined to think Hanson on more.

Quoted from pen penfras

How will paying them off free up £5k a week?

Quoted from male private Nale

You obviously come to a severance agreement, with 6 months left on their contract you offer to pay them a set amount which allows them to sign elsewhere, getting a pay off from previous club and a chance to get a new deal signing on fee etc. or in greens case just signing on.

For what its worth Green is on £2k a week, he bought a house just recently and my friend was mortgage broker and he submitted 3 months of wages slips, I would be inlcined to think Hanson on more.

Good to know your friend respects his customers right to confidentiality in relation to his financial dealings. Nobody will settle up unless they know it will be financially advantageous to them and Hanson is unlikely to get another contract with his fitness problems. Green will be hoping the likes of Boston United might offer him a deal but given his goals ratio its more like Gainsborough and £150 per week so this just ain’t a practical proposition to either of them.

Can we sack them under the trade description act

I very much doubt anyone at this club is on £2k a week. That's outrageous cash at this level, and doesn't stack with the long-held argument that we have a tiny budget.

Quoted from RichMariner

I very much doubt anyone at this club is on £2k a week. That's outrageous cash at this level, and doesn't stack with the long-held argument that we have a tiny budget.

I would be surprised if we were NOT paying that to at least a few players- green Hanson Macca for a start

Quoted from RichMariner

I very much doubt anyone at this club is on £2k a week. That's outrageous cash at this level, and doesn't stack with the long-held argument that we have a tiny budget.

I would be surprised if we were NOT paying that to at least a few players- green Hanson Macca for a start

Quoted from male private Nale

You obviously come to a severance agreement, with 6 months left on their contract you offer to pay them a set amount which allows them to sign elsewhere, getting a pay off from previous club and a chance to get a new deal signing on fee etc. or in greens case just signing on.

For what its worth Green is on £2k a week, he bought a house just recently and my friend was mortgage broker and he submitted 3 months of wages slips, I would be inlcined to think Hanson on more.

Why on earth would Hanson agree to accept less than 100% of what he is entitled to if he is injured and therefore nobody else would sign him?

Green also would need paying such a high amount that it is unlikely to be worth our while. He would have to drop at least one level probably two to be worthwhile to a new team and they are broke from covid.

Quoted from toontown

I would be surprised if we were NOT paying that to at least a few players- green Hanson Macca for a start

All pre covid obviously

Im more of a players win games, formations dont.....and this lot is a shower, so it doesnt matter

What is this obsession with 4-4-2?

As if we will magically turn into a great side if we adopt this formation.

Quoted from RichMariner

I very much doubt anyone at this club is on £2k a week. That's outrageous cash at this level, and doesn't stack with the long-held argument that we have a tiny budget.

100% correct on Green, It is conjecture on Hanson but he has to be on more in my opinion.

Do you know that Bennett is on £4k a week at Bristol Rovers and we are paying a decent percentage of that too.

Quoted from ginnywings

What is this obsession with 4-4-2?

As if we will magically turn into a great side if we adopt this formation.

Not an obsession but it is a system that has been used throughout the country , especially in lower leagues, non leagues, schools , amateur football for years and every player knows how to play it and what the roles and responsibilities are.

It is clearly obvious that our squad either does not have the ability or the know how to effectively play the systems that Holloway has been trying to implement, surely you cannot argue otherwise.

Therefore go back to basics, play 442, do not play out from the back and I am certain our results would improve. Though I wont hold my breath it will happen under Holloway

Quoted from male private Nale

100% correct on Green, It is conjecture on Hanson but he has to be on more in my opinion.

Do you know that Bennett is on £4k a week at Bristol Rovers and we are paying a decent percentage of that too.

i flipping hope not

Quoted from male private Nale

100% correct on Green, It is conjecture on Hanson but he has to be on more in my opinion.

Do you know that Bennett is on £4k a week at Bristol Rovers and we are paying a decent percentage of that too.

Send him back ASAP

Quoted from RichMariner

I very much doubt anyone at this club is on £2k a week. That's outrageous cash at this level, and doesn't stack with the long-held argument that we have a tiny budget.

Don't forget Jolley  signed them and used all the budget up to get them.

The most successful teams keep to the same system throughout the club and any player coming in knows his roll.

I like Ollie but I think he is expecting too much too soon from the players he has brought in.

Keep it simple Ollie until you can get better players that can adapt more easier .

Quoted from ginnywings

What is this obsession with 4-4-2?

As if we will magically turn into a great side if we adopt this formation.

I don't for a second think it'll turn us into a great side.  It's not even a formation I'm particularly fond of, especially in the modern game.  Even during the glory days of Buckley MKI it wasn't really a 4-4-2 as you had that front four (Rees, Woods, Childs and Gilbert) floating about.  Then in later years with the addition of Mendonca, Livvo and Groves it often became a 4-5-1 or if you look at a lot of Groves' goals in that spell, a hybrid 4-3-3 as he was so far forward.  MKII Buckley had Donovan playing a free role for large periods and then the back end of that spell it was Donovan or Black playing behind a lone front man at times.  Of his final year or so I can only really remember a pairing of Lester and Ashcroft as when he favoured 2 up top.  He also favoured 4-5-1 a lot during his third spell.

Anyway, back to the point....I personally just think it's the best system for what we've got in terms of players.  We've only got one left-back and he looks shot to pieces.  We've also only got one right-back (at present) and I'd rather not see us run the risk of knackering him out.  Both those situations lend towards avoiding anything where the full back is playing as a wingback or with a narrow midfield.  

We don't have anyone capable of playing as a lone front man, which rules out 4-5-1.  4-3-3, If it was an actual 3 man attack, could work offensively if we had the right combination.  Personally I'd go with something like Wright and Edwards either side of Gibson.  Pace and willing runners.  But inevitably that would end up with Wright and Edwards drawn back into midfield as the full-backs would be exposed, therefore leaving the striker isolated.

4-4-2, whilst rigid, at least allows (as our friend Paul Hurst would love) us to keep our shape.  You limit your attacking options, especially with our central midfielders) but you protect the defence, you have the option of going wide to stretch teams and you should have an outlet through one of your strikers.

It's not perfect and I'd honestly rather us have something a bit more dynamic.  But needs must.

In my opinion we don't have the players to play 3 at the back we've got good centre half's in Waterfall and Pollock who are pretty effective at this level. Preston and Hendrie  look much more at home at full back rather than as wing backs too.

I'm not sure if formation is the problem. On the whole we have a group of very average players who might be ok if they were drilled in a system and played regularly.
The issue is we don't seem to play the same team twice in the same system so it's always going to be a struggle. Add that to the injury issues we have and it's like watching strangers play every week. I have a slight glimmer of hope that 5 substitutes might encourage Olly to start with a more consistent eleven in a more consistent shape
I hope I'm wrong but the current run of form is looking rather like a relegation season again

[quote=140534]You obviously come to a severance agreement, with 6 months left on their contract you offer to pay them a set amount which allows them to sign elsewhere, getting a pay off from previous club and a chance to get a new deal signing on fee etc. or in greens case just signing on.

For what its worth Green is on £2k a week, he bought a house just recently and my friend was mortgage broker and he submitted 3 months of wages slips, I would be inlcined to think Hanson on more.

If this is true, your friend is clearly unprofessional and quite possibly in breach of confidentiality clauses in the contract and Data Privacy law.