Cant win with some people.

And no I'm not talking about with the current squad.

Some of the more vocal minority really need to give their head a wobble.

Holloway came in and not long after we got hit by lockdown. 2 and a half months he had before football was cancelled. He couldn't do a whole lot with them then he loses players then he has to build a squad out of players he's had limited time with and new intakes on what I can only assume is a pretty restricted budget.

We start the season late which im not sure is down to him or the club as a whole and he looks to play proper football out from the back rather than hoofball which everyone in past has complained about.

Honestly what do you expect? Yes he's an experienced manager who's managed at a premier league level but he isnt a miracle worker. Rome wasn't built in a day and despite Holloway having been here for a little over 10 months he's only actually had around 5 months if that to make an impact. We can see what he is trying to achieve and we need to believe that with time he can make it happen. So let's back the boys and look forward to the next game eh.

UTMM

I really believed Ollie would bring in some quality players given his contacts and our limited budget, fool me.

Same old same old.

Another fight to stay up in my opinion.

5 months playing time .. and 10 months here to sort out a playing squad  that he has failed at .. Never mind the lock down , he has a phone and could have sorted a lot better than we have . Thats what he is paid for and this mess of a team is all his doing . He git kids in and non league players in to play in a mans league  . we just got beaten by the worse team in the league below why ? because we have worse team  than them , and that seems to be ths case every week .  What happened to all them good players that was melting his phone to come play for him .

Quoted from promotion plaice

I really believed Ollie would bring in some quality players given his contacts and our limited budget, fool me.

Same old same old.

Another fight to stay up in my opinion.

So did I, but that was before the pandemic struck and we were absolutely determined to survive by bringing in loan players and those players we did sign had to accept covid contracts.

Lets see what next season brings. As long as we survive in the league and as a club that is ok with me, but next season I expect us to be a good team.

Quoted from denni266

5 months playing time .. and 10 months here to sort out a playing squad  that he has failed at .. Never mind the lock down , he has a phone and could have sorted a lot better than we have . Thats what he is paid for and this mess of a team is all his doing . He git kids in and non league players in to play in a mans league  . we just got beaten by the worse team in the league below why ? because we have worse team  than them , and that seems to be ths case every week .  What happened to all them good players that was melting his phone to come play for him .

You're talking rubbish, we actually played them off the park football wise.  It was a lack of good finishing and another Macca ballsup that cost us this game.

Lockdown was not great timing but the pre-season preparation was abysmal. Every club in the country has had the same restrictions so it cannot be used as an excuse.

He moans about fitness, why are we less fit? Why did we only have one friendly? Why was the recruitment so scatter gun? There appears to have been no thinking as to a style or pattern or shape we want to play which is reflected by the constant change in formation and personnel.

Any other manager and questions would be being asked. Most of the problems we have have been self inflicted, nothing to do with lockdown. We finished 2 points ahead of Cambridge but it doesn’t seem to have affected them does it? And their manager has been in that job for a month less than Holloway.

Quoted from Oly1987

And no I'm not talking about with the current squad.

Some of the more vocal minority really need to give their head a wobble.

Holloway came in and not long after we got hit by lockdown. 2 and a half months he had before football was cancelled. He couldn't do a whole lot with them then he loses players then he has to build a squad out of players he's had limited time with and new intakes on what I can only assume is a pretty restricted budget.

We start the season late which im not sure is down to him or the club as a whole and he looks to play proper football out from the back rather than hoofball which everyone in past has complained about.

Honestly what do you expect? Yes he's an experienced manager who's managed at a premier league level but he isnt a miracle worker. Rome wasn't built in a day and despite Holloway having been here for a little over 10 months he's only actually had around 5 months if that to make an impact. We can see what he is trying to achieve and we need to believe that with time he can make it happen. So let's back the boys and look forward to the next game eh.

UTMM

I think he admitted recently that he didn’t think it would be as hard as it is to get people to come to the club.

He’s a good manager but it feels like he’s trying too hard to play in the right way rather then being  pragmatic and finding a way to play that suits the level of players we have rather than getting them to play to a system.

He needs to scrap the front three thing as we need to get more players in the oppositions box..Even if we could find the killer pass we don’t have the fire power for the killer finish.

Quoted from 123614

You're talking rubbish, we actually played them off the park football wise.  It was a lack of good finishing and another Macca ballsup that cost us this game.

Not often I agree with your views BnWB but this time you're bang on the money!!

Lets also remember it took Klopp 4 or 5 years to get a winning team. Let's all calm down, have a brew and give things some time. Things have been a bit inconsistent since we got back in the league why not give Holloway 2 or 3 seasons to really have a go?

Quoted from Oly1987

And no I'm not talking about with the current squad.

Some of the more vocal minority really need to give their head a wobble.

Holloway came in and not long after we got hit by lockdown. 2 and a half months he had before football was cancelled. He couldn't do a whole lot with them then he loses players then he has to build a squad out of players he's had limited time with and new intakes on what I can only assume is a pretty restricted budget.

We start the season late which im not sure is down to him or the club as a whole and he looks to play proper football out from the back rather than hoofball which everyone in past has complained about.

Honestly what do you expect? Yes he's an experienced manager who's managed at a premier league level but he isnt a miracle worker. Rome wasn't built in a day and despite Holloway having been here for a little over 10 months he's only actually had around 5 months if that to make an impact. We can see what he is trying to achieve and we need to believe that with time he can make it happen. So let's back the boys and look forward to the next game eh.

UTMM

That poses the question then, do you either blame Holloway for poor recruitment or the board for the Covid wage reduction that put us on the back foot when it came to recruitment?

I was hoping that with the phone burning his ears, we would have ended up with better than what we’ve got.

Are we really, essentially justifying a defeat by saying we played a non league team off the pitch...whilst losing 3-1?

Holloway has always been full of bluster so most knew what he was saying was just that. I do think being honest and open, almost being proud of offering Covid contracts has made it difficult to recruit players.

We’ve been left some players who aren’t good enough anymore, one of which is a crock and then some young kids trying their hardest.

It’s the same for every single club, what are they doing differently to us? The training stuff, the late season start, an odd pre season isn’t just unique To us so what is the issue?

May be the reasons we struggle to recruit is a combination of things? Is it merely geographical? Is it the clear lack of ambition from the club? Is it poor facilities? Isn’t style? Or is it many a thing and were simply at our level whether we like it or not?

I have patience and do believe IH will give us a team worth watching, albeit we may have to wait a while, but please Ollie stop harping on about COVID and Lockdown every time we lose and just stick to the football.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

I have patience and do believe IH will give us a team worth watching, albeit we may have to wait a while, but please Ollie stop harping on about COVID and Lockdown every time we lose and just stick to the football.

It starts at the top. The constant rhetoric throughout the alleged first lockdown was negative, woe is me. Lead by example.

They could’ve turned it on it’s head and said that we’ll stand tall, work hard and all that jazz, we’ll fight forever and all that but we didn’t.

The excuses are almost predictable now and it’s tiresome in some respects.

Regardless of how well we played today, we made mistakes which cost us. Nobody else can be blamed for that, not even a virus.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

That poses the question then, do you either blame Holloway for poor recruitment or the board for the Covid wage reduction that put us on the back foot when it came to recruitment?

I was hoping that with the phone burning his ears, we would have ended up with better than what we’ve got.

Might've had plenty of interest but if we can't offer what they think they are worth we won't get them

Quoted from aldi_01

It starts at the top. The constant rhetoric throughout the alleged first lockdown was negative, woe is me. Lead by example.

They could’ve turned it on it’s head and said that we’ll stand tall, work hard and all that jazz, we’ll fight forever and all that but we didn’t.

The excuses are almost predictable now and it’s tiresome in some respects.

Regardless of how well we played today, we made mistakes which cost us. Nobody else can be blamed for that, not even a virus.

and this is the issue.... just where/when did we "play well" ?  

We played well in totally harmless areas of the pitch , against the poorest side in the division below us. We didnt play well in the final third , we didnt play well in our area as we let them score three goals , just in harmless areas of the pitch.  
We had 10-15 mins of sustained pressure at the end of the first half , thats all , the rest was poor in any decisive area of the pitch.

Quoted from Oly1987

And no I'm not talking about with the current squad.

Some of the more vocal minority really need to give their head a wobble.

Holloway came in and not long after we got hit by lockdown. 2 and a half months he had before football was cancelled. He couldn't do a whole lot with them then he loses players then he has to build a squad out of players he's had limited time with and new intakes on what I can only assume is a pretty restricted budget.

We start the season late which im not sure is down to him or the club as a whole and he looks to play proper football out from the back rather than hoofball which everyone in past has complained about.

Honestly what do you expect? Yes he's an experienced manager who's managed at a premier league level but he isnt a miracle worker. Rome wasn't built in a day and despite Holloway having been here for a little over 10 months he's only actually had around 5 months if that to make an impact. We can see what he is trying to achieve and we need to believe that with time he can make it happen. So let's back the boys and look forward to the next game eh.

UTMM

Thank you IH that's about as barmy as your post match interviews.

Quoted from 123614

You're talking rubbish, we actually played them off the park football wise.  It was a lack of good finishing and another Macca ballsup that cost us this game.

You win games . [now remind me if am wrong] by scoring more than what is in front of you  Not by looking pretty and just playing keep ball.. .And from playing the game and watching for over 50 yrs i believe that is still what its all about .

Quoted from aldi_01

Are we really, essentially justifying a defeat by saying we played a non league team off the pitch...whilst losing 3-1?

Holloway has always been full of bluster so most knew what he was saying was just that. I do think being honest and open, almost being proud of offering Covid contracts has made it difficult to recruit players.

We’ve been left some players who aren’t good enough anymore, one of which is a crock and then some young kids trying their hardest.

It’s the same for every single club, what are they doing differently to us? The training stuff, the late season start, an odd pre season isn’t just unique To us so what is the issue?

May be the reasons we struggle to recruit is a combination of things? Is it merely geographical? Is it the clear lack of ambition from the club? Is it poor facilities? Isn’t style? Or is it many a thing and were simply at our level whether we like it or not?

Might have something to do with the fact the some other clubs don't have a Covid clause in the Contract, and the better players were maybe not happy having to sign that type of contract!

Quoted from Oly1987

Might've had plenty of interest but if we can't offer what they think they are worth we won't get them

You might be right but the ‘I’ve been round the block umpteen times’ BS is wearing a bit thin. So is the pandemic excuse. Covid exists outside Grimsby.

Quoted from denni266

You win games . [now remind me if am wrong] by scoring more than what is in front of you  Not by looking pretty and just playing keep ball.. .And from playing the game and watching for over 50 yrs i believe that is still what its all about .

For a start we were not playing keep ball, we were breaking their defence down regularly, it was a lack of our players getting on the end of crosses in the box, and having played Football and watching the mariners for 69 years I have a fair bit of experience also!

Quoted from MuddyWaters

You might be right but the ‘I’ve been round the block umpteen times’ BS is wearing a bit thin. So is the pandemic excuse. Covid exists outside Grimsby.

Of course it does, never said it didn't, but how many clubs have cot Covid clauses in their players contracts, that's the point I was trying to make.

Can't win....

Quoted from Oly1987

We can see what he is trying to achieve and we need to believe that with time he can make it happen.

But that's part of the problem for me (and increasing amount of others) I just can't see what he's hoping to achieve. I can see what he is dreaming about (so am I) but I just don't believe he can make it happen

Silk purses out of sows ears comes to mind and he has certainly put together a squad of sows ears

The sooner everyone accepts that Holloway is not what we hoped he was and not what he thinks he still is the better

No one is rushing to play for him, he's not the be all and end all fantastic manager that for some reason we stupidly believed he was. He's just another Div 4 manager (and possibly a little out of touch these days) struggling to steady a side that he has cobbled together that will struggle to maintain lower mid table status.

We are expecting too much, he's a larger than life big hearted fella who likes the sound of his own voice publicity wise but football wise he isn't all that.

Quoted from 123614

You're talking rubbish, we actually played them off the park football wise.  

Does that mean we go through to the second round then?

Quoted from Ipswin

But that's part of the problem for me (and increasing amount of others) I just can't see what he's hoping to achieve. I can see what he is dreaming about (so am I) but I just don't believe he can make it happen

Silk purses out of sows ears comes to mind and he has certainly put together a squad of sows ears

The sooner everyone accepts that Holloway is not what we hoped he was and not what he thinks he still is the better

No one is rushing to play for him, he's not the be all and end all fantastic manager that for some reason we stupidly believed he was. He's just another Div 4 manager (and possibly a little out of touch these days) struggling to steady a side that he has cobbled together that will struggle to maintain lower mid table status.

We are expecting too much, he's a larger than life big hearted fella who likes the sound of his own voice publicity wise but football wise he isn't all that.

Football managers get sacked invariably or leave. Very few would be considered absolute successes.
To denigrate every manager that is appointed and then to somehow suggest ‘i told you so’ as if you’re some sort of prophetic genius is flawed-
A broken watch is right twice a day!!
We’re all entitled to our opinions but your constant negativity about everything apart from your book is tiresome.

Quoted from 123614

You're talking rubbish, we actually played them off the park football wise.  It was a lack of good finishing and another Macca ballsup that cost us this game.

Played them off the park doing what, we scored because of a crap tackle in their area, they scored 3 goals and could have had more with.

Pissing about with the ball going sideways and backwards will get us nowhere and opposition teams will be very happy to stand back and let us do that.

[quote=123614]

For a start we were not playing keep ball, we were breaking their defence down regularly, it was a lack of our players getting on the end of crosses in the box, and having played Football and watching the mariners for 69 years I have a fair bit of experience also!

[/quot  we all see things differently , we did get men on the end of things , just no one could put it in the net . but at end of the day it got us nothing