Definitely football related

Quoted from horsforthmariner

Im not convinced that any government would get slaughtered - they just need to message it right. Although that is something that Boris and Cummings are incapable of to be honest. The problem is that it would conflict with the the virus won't get you in pubs before 10pm message but at 10.01 your stuffed message they are trying to convey at the moment.

Yep, completely agree. If you followed the advice of this government on a day by day basis you wouldn't know your ar*e from your elbow. As is noted above, you can go to the cinema but not a football match, go to the pub but not mix with more than 6 people at home, eat out to help out yadda yadda yadda

They are discovering that government by empty slogans (Be alert, Kiss a penguin, Eat Pineapple) is not a substitute for a well thought out strategy and clear tactics to implement it.

Kiss a penguin?   I thought most UK zoos were closed?   Does this mean that I have to organise a large party of friends and relatives to tour Europe looking for a zoo that has penguins and is open?

It’s getting to the point where policy has to shift.

The options are returning to draconian lockdown or treating people like adults, giving sensible advice so people can make their own assessments and decisions and get on with life. A vaccine will help but it’s not imminent and mental health issues are beginning to overtake the virus in terms of danger.

There's now a petition to allow fans to return at all levels:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/552036

Already at 40,000.

Maybe Patel could find some remote islands to play sport on.

Seriously, on the point of confused messages from the government..

Yesterday, we had medical emergency on our street. Of course, neighbours immediately got stuck in to help the injured party, without consideration for the own safety. One lady was employed to clear blood from the persons injuries, I quickly supplied her with gloves. Another lady phoned the ambulance service. I went back to get cushions and blankets as the first advice was not to move the person. Tow more neighbours (from different households) cam over with yet more cushions and blankets. We took turns to keep the person awake, and as comfortable as we could. Still on the phone to ambulance, the 2nd neighbour was told someone would call back. After an hour and a half, it turned cooler and started to rain. Still no call back, so the ambulance service was contacted again. After checking the condition of the patient (now in shock and cold), we were finally told to take them to their home. (Only 10 metres away). For various reasons, we helped the person up and supported them till they were in their house. Wounds still bleeding. At this point, 4 people + the patient (4 different households) were in the house. The advice we got was to take the person to hospital. Not Louth (where we are) but Grimsby. No thought of how. The only people with a suitable vehicle were relatives of the patient who live some time away. We couldn't get hold of them for about half an hour. They arrived at the three hour point, just as an ambulance appeared.

At no point were any of us asked about Covid symptoms or if anybody was self isolating. (One person had been).

Eventually they were taken to Grimsby hospital, driving past the gates to Louth hospital, which is now a complete basket case.

THREE HOURS Mr Johnson. A government reliant on ordinary folks to step up to the plate because they have absolutely decimated the NHS. They have put 9 lives at risk.

Not blaming the NHS here - they are our heroes, but this government is useless.

A Tory would no doubt have to Google Community Spirit to see what it means.

Rant over.

The patient is fine now BTW

Quoted from MuddyWaters

It’s getting to the point where policy has to shift.

The options are returning to draconian lockdown or treating people like adults, giving sensible advice so people can make their own assessments and decisions and get on with life. A vaccine will help but it’s not imminent and mental health issues are beginning to overtake the virus in terms of danger.

I agree, but people can't be sensible, which is why cases are increasing so quickly here as opposed to France and Spain who appear to have slowed the trend. If cases lead to high hospitalisation and deaths, then there's going to be another lockdown and the government have to stop the NHS being overwhelmed.

478 people admitted to hospital on Sunday and they say it takes about 2 weeks to get to that point. So for the next few weeks we're looking at 500 increasing to 1000 admissions a day. Won't take long to get to 17000 beds occupied like we had at the peak  

Not taking any political side at all, but do people really believe things would be any less confusing, or we would be getting on top of the virus If Labour, Liberals or even a The Greens were in charge, they are all politicians, very few have ever done anything like work, they are only looking after themselves and preparing themselves for their next highly paid tax payer funded salary with a very generous pension scheme.

Quoted from Gaffer58

Not taking any political side at all, but do people really believe things would be any less confusing, or we would be getting on top of the virus If Labour, Liberals or even a The Greens were in charge, they are all politicians, very few have ever done anything like work, they are only looking after themselves and preparing themselves for their next highly paid tax payer funded salary with a very generous pension scheme.

Things would have been chaotic whoever was in charge. Every country is complaining just like this.

As for them being out for themselves, I think that's a long way from the truth. Everybody wants to do good and improve things for the country and their constituents, it's just incredibly hard to actually make a difference. Plus more than half of the country don't support your party, and not everybody who does agrees with you, so it really is a no win situation.

Quoted from malkamalka

Maybe Patel could find some remote islands to play sport on.

Seriously, on the point of confused messages from the government..

Yesterday, we had medical emergency on our street. Of course, neighbours immediately got stuck in to help the injured party, without consideration for the own safety. One lady was employed to clear blood from the persons injuries, I quickly supplied her with gloves. Another lady phoned the ambulance service. I went back to get cushions and blankets as the first advice was not to move the person. Tow more neighbours (from different households) cam over with yet more cushions and blankets. We took turns to keep the person awake, and as comfortable as we could. Still on the phone to ambulance, the 2nd neighbour was told someone would call back. After an hour and a half, it turned cooler and started to rain. Still no call back, so the ambulance service was contacted again. After checking the condition of the patient (now in shock and cold), we were finally told to take them to their home. (Only 10 metres away). For various reasons, we helped the person up and supported them till they were in their house. Wounds still bleeding. At this point, 4 people + the patient (4 different households) were in the house. The advice we got was to take the person to hospital. Not Louth (where we are) but Grimsby. No thought of how. The only people with a suitable vehicle were relatives of the patient who live some time away. We couldn't get hold of them for about half an hour. They arrived at the three hour point, just as an ambulance appeared.

At no point were any of us asked about Covid symptoms or if anybody was self isolating. (One person had been).

Eventually they were taken to Grimsby hospital, driving past the gates to Louth hospital, which is now a complete basket case.

THREE HOURS Mr Johnson. A government reliant on ordinary folks to step up to the plate because they have absolutely decimated the NHS. They have put 9 lives at risk.

Not blaming the NHS here - they are our heroes, but this government is useless.

A Tory would no doubt have to Google Community Spirit to see what it means.

Rant over.

The patient is fine now BTW

I take exception to you “not blaming the NHS” it’s certainly no hero!
The doctors and Nurses most certainly are.
We had an elderly relative admitted to hospital a few days ago with chest problems, he was released the following morning but get this no COVID test! He was re-admitted yesterday with same symptoms an he’s only just been told that he’s got fluid on the lungs, he’s now had a COVID test and waiting on the result.
As bad as the Government has been with their decision making it’s the control which has rubbed most people up the wrong way, I think it’s given us all a scary insight to socialism and state control, God only knows how bad things would of been with the other lot in charge..

Quoted from Humbercod

I take exception to you “not blaming the NHS” it’s certainly no hero!
The doctors and Nurses most certainly are.
We had an elderly relative admitted to hospital a few days ago with chest problems, he was released the following morning but get this no COVID test! He was re-admitted yesterday with same symptoms an he’s only just been told that he’s got fluid on the lungs, he’s now had a COVID test and waiting on the result.
As bad as the Government has been with their decision making it’s the control which has rubbed most people up the wrong way, I think it’s given us all a scary insight to socialism and state control, God only knows how bad things would of been with the other lot in charge..

You're on about my bloody father?!.exactly what has just happened to him, to the word!!