Realistic season ticket target 5k

[quote=1079]Just scanning through,  so apologies if I missed it,  but  nobody seems to have mentioned the biggest, in my opinion,  single obstacle here is the sheer volume of shiftworkers, or like me, offshore workers who support Town, who will never buy a season ticket as it is wasting cash.
Think of all the industry around here which is 24/7 and you're losing a hell of a lot of supporters who can only occasionally attend.
Is there a case for selling a season ticket,  based on a person's shift rota, giving them discount based on the number of games they are available?[/quote

I think the club started doing that this season mate.

Can someone from the club (looking at you Mr pen penfras) explain to me how spending £200k a year to service a benign debt is necessary and a good investment, while spending £200k on measures to sustainably grow revenue streams (more through the gate and more out of their pockets) is significant and unsustainable expenditure?

Also, please stop referring to ticket prices in relation to other clubs in this division. When it comes to getting locals to attend GTFC fixtures, you are not competing with Plymouth or Carlisle ferfuxsake.

I don't mean this as a personal criticism of Rancido or Pen Penfras but when I read your posts I see in microcosm the worst things about the way that the club has been run - it'll never work, we couldn't do that, stop moaning, be grateful for what you get etc etc

I just want to see some innovation and feel like the club care whether I buy one or and that doesn't have to mean reducing prices. I would highlight the work the family coordinator has done this season as demonstrating how you can make a difference without throwing money at it - the flag bearers etc doesn't cost a penny but kids love it.

To put it bluntly, we have a excrement ground in a cramped excrement location. If we reduced ST prices significantly we might get 5k but overall revenue would fall. Get the new ground moving - in for planning and a contractor appointed and we can start building momentum. In the last season at BP do a deal on STs and make sure close to full for every game in the final season, carry the impetus forward to the new ground. Huddersfield did this when they moved from Leeds Rd and doubled their average crowds. Going back 40 years there was little difference between our support and theirs. We will get 6k+ STH at the new ground...

Quoted from ska face

Can someone from the club (looking at you Mr pen penfras) explain to me how spending £200k a year to service a benign debt is necessary and a good investment, while spending £200k on measures to sustainably grow revenue streams (more through the gate and more out of their pockets) is significant and unsustainable expenditure?

Also, please stop referring to ticket prices in relation to other clubs in this division. When it comes to getting locals to attend GTFC fixtures, you are not competing with Plymouth or Carlisle ferfuxsake.

Debt is bad and makes the club more difficult to sell. Plus not all of that money has been used up on JFs loan, there were other director loans that came off the books one way or another. If the club is no longer for sale, then maybe we won't see any more director loan repayments for a while. And I haven't said we shouldn't improve things, just that the realistic things to improve aren't going to significantly alter the ticket sales. We absolutely should be improving the toilets, selling better quality food and drinks and improving the access to allow more people to get at the facilities. But again, that's not going to make a huge difference to the numbers.

We need an experience that is about more than just the game of football, it needs pre match activities around the ground, getting families involved in competitions etc, some other forms of entertainment to make it a family day out and not just a game of football, but where on earth do you put these things at BP?

Quoted from pen penfras

Debt is bad and makes the club more difficult to sell. Plus not all of that money has been used up on JFs loan, there were other director loans that came off the books one way or another. If the club is no longer for sale, then maybe we won't see any more director loan repayments for a while. And I haven't said we shouldn't improve things, just that the realistic things to improve aren't going to significantly alter the ticket sales. We absolutely should be improving the toilets, selling better quality food and drinks and improving the access to allow more people to get at the facilities. But again, that's not going to make a huge difference to the numbers.

We need an experience that is about more than just the game of football, it needs pre match activities around the ground, getting families involved in competitions etc, some other forms of entertainment to make it a family day out and not just a game of football, but where on earth do you put these things at BP?

Maybe not to season ticket sales I agree.  But now the the style of football is improving and with a bit of luck a good start to next season, it would definitely encourage back some of the missing fans.
One quote from a friend of mine who is thinking of jumping on the Holloway bandwagon is 'I want to be able to have a p1ss and a pint at half time, but due to the queues I can only choose one'. (That's the Upper Findus by the way).  

Would he buy a season ticket if that was sorted ? Probably not.  But if we could lure him back (and God knows I've tried) I reckon he'd be good for 10 games a season or more.

For a starters how about we didn't have to pay Ifollow to listen to IH
Or visit the Half Season Ticket purchase and find the link has never worked.
Paper tickets, just ridiculous it's 2020

Quoted from pen penfras

Debt is bad and makes the club more difficult to sell. Plus not all of that money has been used up on JFs loan, there were other director loans that came off the books one way or another. If the club is no longer for sale, then maybe we won't see any more director loan repayments for a while. And I haven't said we shouldn't improve things, just that the realistic things to improve aren't going to significantly alter the ticket sales. We absolutely should be improving the toilets, selling better quality food and drinks and improving the access to allow more people to get at the facilities. But again, ]that's not going to make a huge difference to the numbers.

We need an experience that is about more than just the game of football, it needs pre match activities around the ground, getting families involved in competitions etc, some other forms of entertainment to make it a family day out and not just a game of football, but where on earth do you put these things at BP?

With some inventiveness, a proper ticketing scheme and the changes you've laid out along with the improved football and results, 6k home gates are not out of the question. A 1.5k increase in average home gates equates to an extra 500k to the playing budget. In a division where average budgets are around 2, 2.5m, a 20/25% increase in ours would be significant. If as you say changes won't make a huge difference, don't you think the 4.5k diehards should have been deserving of these facilities over the past few years never mind only now IH is here? Even with all these low budget and easy changes it would still only bring us up to maybe par for the division..

Quoted from pen penfras

We need an experience that is about more than just the game of football, it needs pre match activities around the ground, getting families involved in competitions etc, some other forms of entertainment to make it a family day out and not just a game of football, but where on earth do you put these things at BP?

Those big empty corners?

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

To put it bluntly, we have a excrement ground in a cramped excrement location. If we reduced ST prices significantly we might get 5k but overall revenue would fall. Get the new ground moving - in for planning and a contractor appointed and we can start building momentum. In the last season at BP do a deal on STs and make sure close to full for every game in the final season, carry the impetus forward to the new ground. Huddersfield did this when they moved from Leeds Rd and doubled their average crowds. Going back 40 years there was little difference between our support and theirs. We will get 6k+ STH at the new ground...

Summed up in a nutshell.
Critical to the future and support moving forward.