Crystal Palace FA Cup and VAR

Tonight Everton had a player sent off after VAR intervention at Palace ....does this make them the first to have 2 opponents sent off  this way in the FA Cup as Fox was sent off when VAR asked the ref to review his booking


On a side note   it was mentioned at the time  we had to pay 10k for VAR at Southampton ........but I cant remember any mention of a VAR fee for the Palace game.......and surely  our previous owner would have made that public !!!!

If they had red cards for tackles like that in the seventies most games would end up 7 a side.

Paying a fee for VAR ? Really

Quoted from RonMariner

If they had red cards for tackles like that in the seventies most games would end up 7 a side.

And wasn’t there something like 40 broken legs per season in the Football League in the 70s?

And it was a clear red card. No where in the rules does it say there has to be contact for a foul to be a red card offence. It was really poor and dangerous challenge and fully deserving of a red card.

My issue with VAR in cup games is that not all clubs have VAR at their grounds.
How can clubs playing in the same competition use different rules ?
It should be removed from the FA Cup

I suppose, technically, they’re not playing by different rules. It’s more the inequity and inconsistency in how these rules are applied or even interpreted. Still seems wrong though.  

It was 100% a red card.

Calvert-Lewin's lead leg was always high and was always going over the top of the ball (even before the Crystal Palace player got a toe to the ball first). Calvert-Lewin's lead leg goes well beyond where the ball was before the touch from the Crystal Palace player with his studs showing and makes contact with the shin of the Crystal Palace player. A tackle like that where the player goes over the top of the ball in such a manner is always a red card. I really don't see why there is an controversy over the red card, other than the usual pundits attempting to use it in their anti-VAR rants.

For what it's worth I hate how VAR is used. A Rugby approach would be much better (i.e. the referee can refer key incidents he/she's not sure about to VAR and ask to see the video him/herself before making a final decision). It would put the on field referee back in charge of decision making,

Quoted from supertown

Paying a fee for VAR ? Really

Yep, £10k

Quoted from GollyGTFC

It was 100% a red card.

Calvert-Lewin's lead leg was always high and was always going over the top of the ball (even before the Crystal Palace player got a toe to the ball first). Calvert-Lewin's lead leg goes well beyond where the ball was before the touch from the Crystal Palace player with his studs showing and makes contact with the shin of the Crystal Palace player. A tackle like that where the player goes over the top of the ball in such a manner is always a red card. I really don't see why there is an controversy over the red card, other than the usual pundits attempting to use it in their anti-VAR rants.

For what it's worth I hate how VAR is used. A Rugby approach would be much better (i.e. the referee can refer key incidents he/she's not sure about to VAR and ask to see the video him/herself before making a final decision). It would put the on field referee back in charge of decision making,

red card hahahahahah. Pathetic Decision

Quoted from Lost in Lincoln

Yep, £10k

Having done some research it’s £9251 plus VAT , which is taken off before the split in gate payments, so it’s nearer £4500, for the away club, than £10000 .

Quoted from grimps

My issue with VAR in cup games is that not all clubs have VAR at their grounds.
How can clubs playing in the same competition use different rules ?
It should be removed from the FA Cup

VAR should be removed period!  We should still keep goal line technology though.

Quoted from supertown

Having done some research it’s £9251 plus VAT , which is taken off before the split in gate payments, so it’s nearer £4500, for the away club, than £10000 .

That was the figure quoted at the time.

To be honest £50k would have been ok the way VAR worked in our favour at Southampton, we got the win bonus plus the extra game and revenue for  Brighton.

Quoted from Hagrid

red card hahahahahah. Pathetic Decision

I think you’re mistaking what you would like the rules to be with what they actually are.

Whether you think it’s a pathetic decision or not it’s a red card every day of the week.

There’s no possible mitigation. He was always going over the top of the ball. It will be interesting to see whether Everton actually appeal as there’s clearly no prospect of the decision being overturned.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

I think you’re mistaking what you would like the rules to be with what they actually are.

Whether you think it’s a pathetic decision or not it’s a red card every day of the week.

There’s no possible mitigation. He was always going over the top of the ball. It will be interesting to see whether Everton actually appeal as there’s clearly no prospect of the decision being overturned.

I agree with you on this Golly, but the Hull one got overturned which I thought was a clear red from the angle that showed the referees view.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I agree with you on this Golly, but the Hull one got overturned which I thought was a clear red from the angle that showed the referees view.

Yeah, the Hull one was strange. One angle looked horrendous and all the other angles looked like a good and fair tackle.

Football is suffering because nobody bothered to look at other sports that use video replays to help decision making and research what difficulties those sports had in implementing it and how those issues were resolved.

Everton are appealing DCL's sending off. Will be interesting to see what the decision will be.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67892373

Quoted from Les Brechin

Everton are appealing DCL's sending off. Will be interesting to see what the decision will be.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67892373

Well they are a football club from Liverpool so there shouldn’t be any problems getting it overturned, oh wait, they play in blue not red, so no chance!!!

It’s not even a foul/free kick in my opinion, never mind any kind of card.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

I think you’re mistaking what you would like the rules to be with what they actually are.

Whether you think it’s a pathetic decision or not it’s a red card every day of the week.

There’s no possible mitigation. He was always going over the top of the ball. It will be interesting to see whether Everton actually appeal as there’s clearly no prospect of the decision being overturned.

Show me the rules that make your case. If there’s no contact and it’s felt there’s no intent to harm, there’s no infringement. By your reading of the rules, no player would ever be permitted to lift his foot off the floor when close to other players. I’ve made that kind of ball attempt 100 times myself.
It’ll be overturned in my opinion.

It was such a bizarre decision a lot of commentators and pundits are hoping this is a turning point for VAR.

Fans at the grounds are getting increasingly agitated by VAR decisions, the time it is taking to review, and the complete inability for refs to stick by their judgements - in this case the ref was close by, and didn't see anything wrong but it is the continued use of slow motion replays that always make things look much worse. You are allowed to raise your feet off the turf!

A few minutes later a defender has an attacker in a bear hug in the box but no VAR intervention there, as that is now seemingly allowed according to the pundits at the game. Its as random as some referee decisions so why have it all?

Anyone who thinks that’s a red card is an enemy of football in my opinion.
Absolute joke of a decision!
I have no faith it will be overturned though either unfortunately, but I would love to be wrong.

Quoted from Sandford1981

Anyone who thinks that’s a red card is an enemy of football in my opinion.
Absolute joke of a decision!
I have no faith it will be overturned though either unfortunately  but would love to be wrong.

I think the palace player should of been sent off for going down like that

Quoted from It Bites

I think the palace player should of been sent off for going down like that

I don't think he should of been sent off, but I think like stuff like this trying to decieve the ref and officials is just a joke. Obviously the number 1 problem here is the incompetence of the refs, my wife could see that was a foul nevermind a red card but I agree that any feign of serious injury etc needs to be cramped down on. See it all the time nowadays due to the new protocol with head injuries that if a team is in a dangerous position a player will go down holding his head to stop play.

How many times during a game do you see 2 players challenging for a ball and you just know one will just “ fall over” and the ref will give a free kick. It must happen at least 6 times a game, just cannot understand how refs fall for it every time.

Quoted from Gaffer58

How many times during a game do you see 2 players challenging for a ball and you just know one will just “ fall over” and the ref will give a free kick. It must happen at least 6 times a game, just cannot understand how refs fall for it every time.

If Danny Rose is playing you can double that 6 times.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

I think you’re mistaking what you would like the rules to be with what they actually are.

Whether you think it’s a pathetic decision or not it’s a red card every day of the week.

There’s no possible mitigation. He was always going over the top of the ball. It will be interesting to see whether Everton actually appeal as there’s clearly no prospect of the decision being overturned.

Presumably you think the challenge 30 seconds later where a Palace player dumps an Everton defender of the pitch was also a red card then?

https://www.skysports.com/foot.....er-successful-appeal

Common sense prevailed and I’m glad to be wrong!

I'm really suprised by this. Never expected it.

Doesn't go into the details as to why. Basically they are saying the VAR official got it wrong, as did the on field referee who changed his mind after several slow motion replays.

Hopefully it'll lead to less VAR interventions and more referees overruling the monitor.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

It was 100% a red card.

Calvert-Lewin's lead leg was always high and was always going over the top of the ball (even before the Crystal Palace player got a toe to the ball first). Calvert-Lewin's lead leg goes well beyond where the ball was before the touch from the Crystal Palace player with his studs showing and makes contact with the shin of the Crystal Palace player. A tackle like that where the player goes over the top of the ball in such a manner is always a red card. I really don't see why there is an controversy over the red card, other than the usual pundits attempting to use it in their anti-VAR rants.

For what it's worth I hate how VAR is used. A Rugby approach would be much better (i.e. the referee can refer key incidents he/she's not sure about to VAR and ask to see the video him/herself before making a final decision). It would put the on field referee back in charge of decision making,

Oh

Quoted from chaos33

Oh

Indeed.😎

Pathetic decision after all

In other news our friend Mr Holloway is a pundit tonight at the Blackpool v Forest game (ITV4)

Quoted from promotion plaice

In other news our friend Mr Holloway is a pundit tonight at the Blackpool v Forest game (ITV4)

You spelled “cúnt” wrong.

I think the game ended in a draw ?  So the question is how much did this now completely wrong decision hinder Everton's efforts to win it, save an extra game , expense etc ?
What if they lost it after the sending off ?

It needs scrapping, it should never have  been allowed in a competition were some games have it and some don't either.

Its a Joke