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MaccasBoots
April 2, 2023, 11:32am
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Very interesting that Hollywood's loan to Wrexham is accruing interest at 3% over BofE base rate - maybe they aren't as generous as Wrexham fans seem to think?
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This is really interesting to read and to me identifies some well worn out threads!

A quick look at FFP and the SCMP [url]https://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php[/url] show that with £3.1m wages “extra income” needs to do a lot of heavy lifting. If we take into account transfer income [fave thread 3  ] then this will help bring the wages into 55% or less as required.

Whilst the wages for SCMP only include player wages it highlights why we may not be able to break the bank for paying players’ wages [fave thread 2].

Taking these into account, a quick back of the envelope calculation shows that 7500 x 23 games needs an average of ~£415 per season to cover the £3.1m so unless we can move or increase capacity [fave thread 1a and 1b] then we need a lot of commercial interest or equity release (loans, benign or otherwise, cannot be included as income). An extra £1 per match per seat increases income by net gross (edit!) £175000 give or take so that’s one player on £3k per week and a 5% increase in seat prices… that’ll go down well!

So who’d sponsor the ground in its current state? I know they’re sponsoring the club in doing so but would anybody really want their name associated with a dilapidated Main Stand leaking water and money? I would also hazard a guess that this is why money is being “diverted” elsewhere currently where it does not come under the scrutiny of SCMP, e.g. training, pitch, ground improvements?

Just to note, Town's and Chesterfield's wage totals include social security and pension contributions, but I'm not sure if they're included in the SCMP calculation (if they were in League 2).

But to address your point, with a £4.4m turnover, our maximum playing budget under SCMP is ~£2.3m. We're probably already near that limit looking at our total wage bill. The £1m extra "football fortune" from the cup run will help a bit next season, but it shows how much we need to grow the commercial side of the business if we're going to compete at the top of this league or the one above... Or get a new stadium of course.
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Very interesting that Hollywood's loan to Wrexham is accruing interest at 3% over BofE base rate - maybe they aren't as generous as Wrexham fans seem to think?


Remember historic losses can be used to offset future profits for Corporation Tax purposes. There’s a huge difference between having interest charged against a loan on the accounts and the lender(s) actually receiving the interest money if/when the debt is settled.

It might seem quite optimistic to believe Wrexham could be profitable under the current ownership model, but you never know. Inflating losses now would help Corporation Tax avoidance if that ever happened.
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Just to note, Town's and Chesterfield's wage totals include social security and pension contributions, but I'm not sure if they're included in the SCMP calculation (if they were in League 2).

But to address your point, with a £4.4m turnover, our maximum playing budget under SCMP is ~£2.3m. We're probably already near that limit looking at our total wage bill. The £1m extra "football fortune" from the cup run will help a bit next season, but it shows how much we need to grow the commercial side of the business if we're going to compete at the top of this league or the one above... Or get a new stadium of course.


FFP & SCMP is completely irrelevant because of the broad definition of turnover that the EFL use. It’s a complete waste of time. Owner donations and share issues are included. So owners can bankroll their club to whatever level they choose as long as it’s a share purchase or a donation and not a loan.

There’s no incentive to do the same in the NL (turn debt into shares) as there’s no FFP which is why you get eye watering losses. When these clubs reach the EFL the owner has an incentive to turn debt into shares as it helps the FFP calculation and allows free spending.
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April 3, 2023, 7:13am

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FFP & SCMP is completely irrelevant because of the broad definition of turnover that the EFL use. It’s a complete waste of time. Owner donations and share issues are included. So owners can bankroll their club to whatever level they choose as long as it’s a share purchase or a donation and not a loan.

There’s no incentive to do the same in the NL (turn debt into shares) as there’s no FFP which is why you get eye watering losses. When these clubs reach the EFL the owner has an incentive to turn debt into shares as it helps the FFP calculation and allows free spending.


Just read the original post. The Stockport owner did this when they became members of the EFL in June 2022.
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Winning promotion with no fees on players and 3rd in the wages table is a decent achievement I reckon.


That's third of the list of 3 clubs who provided a breakdown of their accounts. If I understand the OP right (please correct me if I'm wrong), the other teams haven't declared what and where their money was spent, so if I'm right that could mean we were lower down the list in terms of wages paid.
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To be fair to Wrexham, for all their wild spunking of cash on Mullin and anyone else they could find, they didn't have too much of a gap in wages to us compared to what I imagined.

Big takeaway from that though is a club happy to lose £5 million.......winning the lottery might not be enough for me to invest in town after all lol
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April 3, 2023, 9:29am
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I thought we’d be miles behind some of the other teams in wages.
Maybe a lot of our players still had their league contracts on higher wages ?
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FFP & SCMP is completely irrelevant because of the broad definition of turnover that the EFL use. It’s a complete waste of time. Owner donations and share issues are included. So owners can bankroll their club to whatever level they choose as long as it’s a share purchase or a donation and not a loan.

There’s no incentive to do the same in the NL (turn debt into shares) as there’s no FFP which is why you get eye watering losses. When these clubs reach the EFL the owner has an incentive to turn debt into shares as it helps the FFP calculation and allows free spending.

That's interesting, I suppose it's still relevant for us as our owners aren't going to fund the club through share issues (based on what they did last season). Stockwood also mentioned SCMP in his last interview which suggests we're constrained by it somewhat.
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That's third of the list of 3 clubs who provided a breakdown of their accounts. If I understand the OP right (please correct me if I'm wrong), the other teams haven't declared what and where their money was spent, so if I'm right that could mean we were lower down the list in terms of wages paid.

Correct. Most clubs didn't provide a figure for wages, but we can still compare ours to Chesterfield's.
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