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After years of failed mass migration the country as finally awoken and booted out the socialists. The people have watched their once proud and peaceful country one of the safest in Europe turn into one of the most violent and dangerous. With a new centre right government the country at least now has hope.

This should be a lesson for our own liberal open door clappers that multiculturalism just doesn’t work with the outgoing PM now admitting as much, at best leading to parallel societies and at worst third world cultural domination. But maybe this is just a one off the left will cry but all eyes are now on the Italian elections….how has mass migration been treating them?

Quoted from Humbercod

After years of failed mass migration the country as finally awoken and booted out the socialists. The people have watched their once proud and peaceful country one of the safest in Europe turn into one of the most violent and dangerous. With a new centre right government the country at least now has hope.

This should be a lesson for our own liberal open door clappers that multiculturalism just doesn’t work with the outgoing PM now admitting as much, at best leading to parallel societies and at worst third world cultural domination. But maybe this is just a one off the left will cry but all eyes are now on the Italian elections….how has mass migration been treating them?

It’s difficult to compare Sweden and Italy as there are very different factors in play.

Sweden - population 10m. Number of foreign born individuals living there has doubled in the past 20 years, to 2m - 20% of the population. Even in a developed society and economy such as Sweden, those levels of immigration were always likely to cause problems, particularly in such a staid, conservative country.

Italy - Italy lurches from left to right and everything in between. The inverse happens compared to the UK, where the powerful North would like to lay the blame of the economic stagnation of the country on the South and the provinces, but can’t because they now rely on their votes.

[Truss and Rees-Mogg clearly have problems with productivity in northern England (or laziness, as they inferred) but require ‘Red Wall’ support to keep their jobs.]

Now Northern Italians can’t solely blame the South, there has to be another scapegoat…the migrants. It’s an easy win for the right-wing parties.

Most of the problems in Italy are typical of the UK and other Western European countries; ageing population, low productivity, low GDP growth, low wage growth, declining birth rates, corruption and the selfish greed of the wealthy - both on a corporate and individual level.

The main difference between the UK and Italy at the moment is that Italy has far higher levels of unemployment. Obviously, Salvini, and now Meloni, are blaming this on immigration, but even if this was the case, immigrants can’t be blamed for every economic and social problem in the country.  

I won't take seriously the views of someone who can't spell Sweden.  

Let me tell you about Sweden
The only country where the clouds are interesting.

Quoted from Humbercod

After years of failed mass migration the country as finally awoken and booted out the socialists. The people have watched their once proud and peaceful country one of the safest in Europe turn into one of the most violent and dangerous. With a new centre right government the country at least now has hope.

This should be a lesson for our own liberal open door clappers that multiculturalism just doesn’t work with the outgoing PM now admitting as much, at best leading to parallel societies and at worst third world cultural domination. But maybe this is just a one off the left will cry but all eyes are now on the Italian elections….how has mass migration been treating them?

The Social Democrats - probably nearest equivalent to our Labour Party, won 30.3% of the vote, the highest percentage by 10% and gained 7 seats. The Left Party (aka "name on the tin party") probably equivalent to a Corbyn-run Labour Party lost seats. The kingmakers appear to be the Moderate Party (probably like a Clegg-esque Liberal Party or Tories led be someone like Ken Clark), 20% of the vote, who have gone in with the Democrat Party (20% of the vote) who are (not at all like the US Demoncrats) pretty much like our current Tories. The Moderates have done this on the basis that the leader is not from the Democrats.

This is not some populist right-wing take-over. In fact, the breakdown of votes looks much where this country would be with a different electoral system. Pushing back a bit against rampant immigration yes, but with a majority in favour of social liberalism, happy to absorb Ukrainians and eastern Europeans into the work force along with genuine refugees. Instead, we are now ruled by "La Girouette de Fer" turning every which way that the 200k electorate and flat-earthers like Rees-Mogg blow her.

Unfortunately, Humbo completely misunderstands what has occurred in Sweden since the 1990s. The centre-left coalition which has been in power for a lot of the time may have continued with their socially liberal policies (including their extremely generous response to the refugee crises which have occurred) but have also continued with the neoliberal-type economic policies as seen in the UK and, unsurprisingly, their economy has been wrecked in much the same way as has ours. Increasing inequality due to the money being funnelled upwards to the wealthy, unaffordable increases in property prices (due to the wealth funnelling upwards), cuts in welfare to increase inequality further. Etc etc etc.

The economic wrecking of course leaves the population dissatisfied with the status quo and this opens the crack for the far right to agitate when problems occur due to the high levels of immigration. Pretty much a textbook example of what has led to Brexit in this country, in fact:

https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2018/09/10/sweden-in-deadlock/

Apparently, when people are getting shat on economically by the failing system, they are can be led to scapegoats to blame. Expect more hollowing out of the Swedish economy to occur now that the right-wingers are in charge.

As Clinton's strategist Carville noted, "Its the economy, stupid".

Quoted from Maringer

Unfortunately, Humbo completely misunderstands what has occurred in Sweden since the 1990s. The centre-left coalition which has been in power for a lot of the time may have continued with their socially liberal policies (including their extremely generous response to the refugee crises which have occurred) but have also continued with the neoliberal-type economic policies as seen in the UK and, unsurprisingly, their economy has been wrecked in much the same way as has ours. Increasing inequality due to the money being funnelled upwards to the wealthy, unaffordable increases in property prices (due to the wealth funnelling upwards), cuts in welfare to increase inequality further. Etc etc etc.

The economic wrecking of course leaves the population dissatisfied with the status quo and this opens the crack for the far right to agitate when problems occur due to the high levels of immigration. Pretty much a textbook example of what has led to Brexit in this country, in fact:

https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2018/09/10/sweden-in-deadlock/

Apparently, when people are getting shat on economically by the failing system, they are can be led to scapegoats to blame. Expect more hollowing out of the Swedish economy to occur now that the right-wingers are in charge.

As Clinton's strategist Carville noted, "Its the economy, stupid".

I think you’re the one with the misunderstanding…. the Swedish Democrats literally run their campaign on restricting mass migration and a crack down on crime! They even had a ‘Make Sweden safe again’ as their campaign slogan.
Do you seriously think that this wasn’t factor?

Quoted from Humbercod

I think you’re the one with the misunderstanding…. the Swedish Democrats literally run their campaign on restricting mass migration and a crack down on crime! They even had a ‘Make Sweden safe again’ as their campaign slogan.
Do you seriously think that this wasn’t factor?

No doubt it was a factor, but as usual, politicians deflect blame to a section of the populace who are an easy target and the electorate fall for it.

It's classic right wing tactics, deflecting away from the real issues of a rapidly expanding elite class and an ever growing underclass, even in a relatively stable and wealthy country.

It's not our fault we are rich and you are poor. It's the fault of those pesky immigrants. Vote for us and we will eradicate the problem.

Only they won't.

Quoted from ginnywings

No doubt it was a factor, but as usual, politicians deflect blame to a section of the populace who are an easy target and the electorate fall for it.

It's classic right wing tactics, deflecting away from the real issues of a rapidly expanding elite class and an ever growing underclass, even in a relatively stable and wealthy country.

It's not our fault we are rich and you are poor. It's the fault of those pesky immigrants. Vote for us and we will eradicate the problem.

Only they won't.

Pleased you can accept immigration was a factor all be it with gritted teeth 😀
Mass immigration has been a massive problem caused by the same elites that have been in charge of Sweden for years, the same elites the left now accuse of not being left enough! But we’re now told It’s them and their policy’s that have ruined the economy, and they are now leaving those poor immigrants to take the rap. Mass rape, gun and grenade attacks can be a problem granted but they are not as problematic as those pretend socialists.

Let’s check in on the neighbours Denmark…oh look they are also having an economic crises so how come their crime rates are much lower in comparison? could it be a crackdown on immigration? could it be to do with Denmarks low foreign background of 8% vs Sweden’s 25%?

Always found it interesting that when the neo liberal, nonsense, narcissistic and self obsessed governments like ours begin to inevitably fail it’s never their fault and the right wing are there to help apportion blame elsewhere, almost always at the feet of immigrants.

Obviously, the complex nature of the migrant issue in Italy has passed our friend by. I’d suggest he go read about it. With extreme parties on both sides in Italy it’s ridiculous to compare them to anyone else, especially given the levels of corruption and involvement of the Vatican.

If only the right wing could divert their anger towards the actual problem, they’d see that the countries they cling to, bang a drum for, in our case, dear old Blighty are being copulated by the ruling elite, not some bloke fleeing a country or someone looking to improve their life…