Johnson will try to cling on, to resign requires integrity. He claimed he didn’t attend, then claimed they weren’t parties, then that they were within the rules, then commissioned a report. All of this was to delay and delay in the hope it went away. Ukraine provided a welcome distraction, and no doubt now he will claim now is not the time, and getting on with Government, or some other dribble.
Find some integrity and resign.
For what it’s worth, I do think Sunak believes in doing the right thing, and therefore could actually see him going.
If anything the last week has shown Sunak doesn’t know what the right thing is - only the legal thing. He probably will resign but only because he can’t be arsed dealing with it all and can just go sit in California carefree for the rest of his life.
Johnson will try to cling on, to resign requires integrity. He claimed he didn’t attend, then claimed they weren’t parties, then that they were within the rules, then commissioned a report. All of this was to delay and delay in the hope it went away. Ukraine provided a welcome distraction, and no doubt now he will claim now is not the time, and getting on with Government, or some other dribble.
Find some integrity and resign.
For what it’s worth, I do think Sunak believes in doing the right thing, and therefore could actually see him going.
You have been duped if you think Sunak understands what the 'right thing' is. At least we all know that Johnson lies from every orifice.
There is speculation that Sunak is so p*ssed off with Johnson and - having finally understood that his own PM prospects are now virtually dead - will resign in an effort to make Johnson's position even more untenable.
Any argument stating getting rid of Boris Johnson is a win for Putin does a massive disservice to Ukraine. This isn't 'Johnson's Falklands', Tories could replace him tomorrow with another tory and Ukraine would still get the same support from Britain.
"Lovelly stuff! not my words but the words of Shakin Stevens."
Any argument stating getting rid of Boris Johnson is a win for Putin does a massive disservice to Ukraine. This isn't 'Johnson's Falklands', Tories could replace him tomorrow with another tory and Ukraine would still get the same support from Britain.
Sam Coates (Sky) has just made the point that there was talk of Parliament returning early to discuss the possible use of chemical weapons in Mariupol.
The Government now can't do this because they are cowering away from answering questions on Partygate, having broken the law and then lied about it.
So I agree with you, Johnson remaining as PM could actually cost lives in Ukraine (and elsewhere) and is helping Putin.
I despise the Tories, I despise these 2. Absolutely disgusting
This.
Morals of an alley cat and the skin of a rhino. Johnson could get caught stealing the crown jewels and would pin the blame on lapse security.
"The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That’s how I see football, that’s how I see life.” Bill Shankly
Inflation. Energy spikes. Tax hikes. Low growth. It's a tough time for hard-pressed Britons at present. The cost of living crisis has begun to bite and millions are starting to suffer. But not to worry: in these dark times, one man has emerged to champion the destitute and the needy. Step forward, Ian Blackford, the doughty defender of the dispossessed, who used yesterday's Prime Ministers' Questions to take up the cudgels of the nation's underclass. The SNP's Westminster leader – posing as a kind of Scottish Martin Lewis – inquired of Boris Johnson, with trembling lip, how British families are expected to afford April's energy price spike.
Noble stuff, even if Blackford's own leader Nicola Sturgeon appears to have few ideas beyond a £4-a-week rebate for families. Of course, if the SNP really wanted to cut the cost of living, they could consider stop wasting millions on failing shipyards and botched airport sales. Still, what Blackford lacks in initiative, he more than makes up for in ingenuity. The sexagenarian Scot has managed to forge a multi-million pound empire out of various investment posts, leveraging his fortune to build a political career at Westminster too. So, in this new era of hair shirts and tightened belts, Mr S is delighted to bring you his tips and tricks from Ian Blackford's rise to riches. If you follow these six simple steps, this time next year, you too could be a millionaire...
1. Don't let principles hold you back
Blackford is a lifelong nationalist, who joined the SNP in his adolescence. But like any good entrepreneur, he didn't let his support for Scottish independence interfere with his quest for riches. Blackford spent twenty years at the heart of the City of London during the heyday of Thatcherism, accumulating the fortune he enjoys to this day. And that open-minded flexibility has been a hallmark of the SNP man's subsequent political career.
During the Brexit years, he emerged as a Remain pin-up star, with his endless rants bemoaning a nation's desire for self-determination. Yet throughout that time he appeared more than happy to fatten his wallet south of the border, enjoying £3,250 from Golden Charter Trust: a company not registered in Scotland but in St James's, London. The company, where Blackford was both a shareholder and chair of the Trustee Board, concluded that 'the Trustees do not consider that the issue of Brexit will have any significant impact on the Trust.' Not that you'd know it from the way the former merchant banker for Deutsche Bank carried on.
2. Maintain your side-hustles
As Molly-Mae once preached 'Everyone has the same 24 hours in the same day.' And Blackford has put his to good use, judging by the number of second jobs he's juggled since entering parliament in 2015. Back in 2017, he even had five of them, including a City think tank, the chairmanship of both Commsworld and Golden Charter Trust and the directorship of his family company First Seer. The George Osborne of the Highlands indeed. He still maintains a croft business on the Isle of Skye and enjoys an investment portfolio with top wealth managers Rathbones.
Unfortunately, Blackford's second jobs sometimes interfere with his main one, as he found to his cost last year when trying to make political capital out of the Owen Paterson saga. Appearing on ITV's Representing Borders programme in November, the unfortunate millionaire was left squirming when confronted on his outside earnings of £38,000 for only 32 hours of work for Golden Charter. This, on top of an MPs' salary of £81,932. a year. Kerching!
3. Be aggressive...
Ian Blackford knows all about getting what you want. The wolf of Parliament Street treats political opportunities like his ventures in the City: eyeing up and exploiting an opening at the ideal moment. Just witness the charmingly restrained way his campaign went after alcoholic Charles Kennedy in 2015, exploiting the unsubtle dog-whistle campaign hashtag: ‘Where’s Charlie?' As one commentator subsequently wrote, 'any description of Charles’s political demise without reference to Blackford is a bit like reviewing The Exorcist without mentioning the devil.' Still, at least the SNP can't say it wasn't warned: Alex Salmond felt the force of his mettle 15 years beforehand when the then party Treasurer threatened to sue his own leader for defamation.
4. ...but stay humble
Given Blackford's endless self-congratulatory windbaggery in Parliament, you might have thought fame and fortune have gone to his head. Far from it, if you believe the word of the SNP man. For Blackford likes to refer to himself as just a 'humble crofter' who merely serves as a 'member of Scotland's crofter community.' Such a claim in the Commons prompted fellow former financier Greg Hands to retort: 'I had a career in the City and I don’t recall him being a simple crofter at that time. Maybe that was his codename on his Bloomberg terminal as he was buying and selling financial assets?'
5. Protect your brand
Blackford quietly quit his £39,000-a-year directorship of Golden Charter last year, after a public backlash about its latest accounts. The investment firm – which gets its money from pre-paid funeral plans – caused Blackford a fair bit of embarrassment after it was revealed to have bemoaned how 'excess deaths' caused by Covid meant it had to hand over more than usual to cover the costs of customers' funerals and cremations. Classy. Being a true believer in the sigma male grindset, Blackford did the right thing: stay silent, refuse to comment and offer no apology. Always protect your brand, king.
6. Keep it in the family
Blackford might be a millionaire but he didn't get there by turning down easy money. Like so many in the SNP, the waistcoat-wearing nationalist likes to keep politics in the family, having put his stepson John O'Leary on the taxpayer's dime by hiring him as a caseworker. In July 2017, he even generously gave him an £8,000 pay rise by promoting him from 'caseworker' to 'senior caseworker' and a salary of £35,465 – £7,589 more than he was entitled to before the promotion. Blackford made the move the same month as a ban came into force which means MPs cannot appoint a relative to a post unless they already worked for them. How convenient!"
When Leeds trainer Les Cocker was once told Norman Hunter had broken a leg, he asked: “Whose is it?”
I don’t think Rishi Notax does care about doing the right thing. The reason he might resign is he doesn’t actually really care about being an MP and possibly being PM in the future. He would be no skin off his nose if he quit. It’s all a game for him. And after the last week he’s probably realised he’ll never be PM so could be the perfect time to p!$$ off to the US full time.
Him quitting would make it extremely difficult for BJ to cling on, especially if Sunak only had 1 fine & BJ has multiple.
Just admit you backed a bad horse. This country needs to stop being so stubborn and face the realities of the last ten years.
The job as campaign manager for the Labour Party at the next election should be a piece of pi$#.
"The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That’s how I see football, that’s how I see life.” Bill Shankly
That's perhaps the most pathetic attempt at whataboutery I've seen. Cripes. Imagine the mental gymnastics required to defend the most worthless bunch of self-serving politicians seen in government in living memory? Absolutely baffling stuff.
The job as campaign manager for the Labour Party at the next election should be a piece of pi$#.
Not sure. All the evidence suggests that the major policy of this govt seems to have been very detrimental to the country but it’s so polarising that they risk alienating half of the electorate if they drive too hard at it. Add to that the rest of the populist nonsense on top of it and it seems an impossible task. Council elections won’t tell us anything either. I reckon the Scartho Con councillors could torch everyone’s gardens and they’d still get voted in.
Not sure. All the evidence suggests that the major policy of this govt seems to have been very detrimental to the country but it’s so polarising that they risk alienating half of the electorate if they drive too hard at it. Add to that the rest of the populist nonsense on top of it and it seems an impossible task. Council elections won’t tell us anything either. I reckon the Scartho Con councillors could torch everyone’s gardens and they’d still get voted in.
Haha. I agree. Although it was once unthinkable that Great Grimsby could go blue!
"The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That’s how I see football, that’s how I see life.” Bill Shankly
What has any of that got to do with it? Why can’t people accept they’ve been sold a dud? Brexit is a failure. Johnson is a charlatan. I can just about forgive someone for believing the lies told about Brexit before the vote but if you thought Johnson was anything other than a narcissistic, incompetent scoundrel given his previous record then you’re beyond stupid.
I have zero sympathy for any moron that voted for Johnson. Sunak needs throwing in the sea, flipping over the less fortunate is a game to him. He wanted to be PM but it was never happening and now this, just send them all to the gallows…
'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
Anyone who expected anything different from this set of shítcúnts is an idiot. Shame on anyone who voted for them, I hope they and their families are struggling badly.
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This guy on twitter does a 'The week in Tory' thread each week.
It's funny, or at least it would be funny if it wasn't for the staggeringly inept, corrupt and dishonest excrement they shamelessly get away with each week.
It's reported that he ruffles it before appearances/speeches and so forth. It's part of the 'Boris' persona. I suspect that he's been playing the role so long that he probably doesn't realise he's doing it any longer.
It has been reported that his siblings call him 'Al' which makes me wonder if there is still a little humanity left in him.
Did the local two numpties comment on this? They could take a lead from their fellow BS'ers.
Partygate penalties ‘like parking fines’ As Johnson prepared to argue he did not mislead parliament, the Northern Ireland secretary, Brandon Lewis, told Sky News on Tuesday morning:
I think we do see consistently, whether it is through parking fines or speeding fines, ministers of both parties over the years have been in that position.
‘It’s not as if he walked into a rave in Ibiza’ A senior government source told the Financial Times he had “no idea” what was guiding the Met police investigation after Johnson was given a fixed-penalty notice for attending a party for his birthday in No 10. He added:
It’s not as if [Johnson] walked into a rave in Ibiza.
He was there for ‘a very short time’ eating ‘a salad lunch’ Is another defence for Johnson, who was fined for breaching the rules by attending his 56th birthday party in June 2020. Sources told the Daily Mail Johnson was only there “for 10 minutes” and the cake “did not even leave the Tupperware box”.
The prime minister was there for a very short time. He was eating a salad lunch in the Cabinet room with people he worked with all day. People kept popping in.
It’s not as if “pole dancers” were present Tory MP Michael Fabricant dismissed the fines on BBC Radio 5 Live, saying lots of people, ranging from civil servants to nurses and others, “did at the end of the day have a quiet drink”. He also said:
The ways it’s been characterised, you would think there were pole dancers.
An exemption for ‘people working in close proximity’ A source told The Times there was an exemption for those working in No 10, in close proximity and for long hours.
There was always an exemption around work but the prime minister accepted mistakes were made. If you’re going from meeting to meeting and it’s something at 2pm in the afternoon, people wouldn’t particularly call that a party. You don’t tend to call that a party.
Johnson was ‘ambushed with cake’ This was the line that came from a Tory MP in January on Channel 4 News in January. Conor Burns said it was not a “premeditated” party and that Johnson was working in the room before staff came in and presented him with a birthday cake.
He was, in a sense, ambushed with a cake.
He has ‘not robbed a bank’ Those were the words of the Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell in January, saying there are ministers who get parking tickets and speed fines. “Lots of people break the law in small ways, sometimes unintentionally” he said, adding:
He’s not robbed a bank. This is getting out of control.
Boris Johnson doesn’t ‘own his own diary’ Stepping to Johnson’s defence January, the Conservative MP James Heappey told the BBC no prime minister can possibly own all that is put into their diary, adding they rely entirely on those around them for briefs and support for what goes into diaries in the first place. He said:
My take as someone who has worked in Downing Street is that the prime minister doesn’t really own his own diary.
‘I don’t recognise this as a party’ In January, the Conservative MP Peter Bone described the party for Johnson to BBC Newsnight as “a very funny party” with colleagues for less than 10 minutes. He added that “political people alike” likely spoke about work while eating their “bit of cake”. He added:
Well, I just don’t recognise that as a party. And if that’s the sort of parties you go to they’re not much fun, are they?
“There's nothing wrong with the car except that it's on fire.”- Murray Walker
I see Brexit hard man Steve Baker has called on Boris to resign. Obviously it’s because Steve Baker is a decent man and nothing to do with an opinion poll showing his safe seat in Wycombe is likely to go to Labour for the first time since 1951 if there was a general election called. Nothing like self preservation is there?
It is fascinating what Brexit has done to UK politics. The promise of it turned safe red seats blue in the north. And the consequences of it are turning blue seats that even Blair didn’t win red in the south-east.
I see Brexit hard man Steve Baker has called on Boris to resign. Obviously it’s because Steve Baker is a decent man and nothing to do with an opinion poll showing his safe seat in Wycombe is likely to go to Labour for the first time since 1951 if there was a general election called. Nothing like self preservation is there?
It is fascinating what Brexit has done to UK politics. The promise of it turned safe red seats blue in the north. And the consequences of it are turning blue seats that even Blair didn’t win red in the south-east.
Seems like the local election results fit perfectly into this narrative.
Labour making modest progress in traditional Labour voting areas whilst simultaneously turning seemingly un-winnable places like Westminster & Wandsworth red and making superb progress overall in London & the south-east commuter areas.
Labour vote share *down* on 2018 outside of London. Absolutely unbelievable after the kid-glove treatment Starmer’s had for the past 2 years and the current state of the Tories.
About right for Mandelson’s Tory Lite party though.
North East Lincolnshire council remains CONSERVATIVE. After 12 years of austerity, Brexit, PPE contracts for the boys, Johnson, Hancock, Sunak. "Them's the people for me". We really do have a special breed of cretin round here
Only 2 candidates stood in my ward and I didn't get a single thing through the post from any of them. It's a common theme across the borough, lots of people noticeably knowing nothing about any of their candidates.
North East Lincolnshire council remains CONSERVATIVE. After 12 years of austerity, Brexit, PPE contracts for the boys, Johnson, Hancock, Sunak. "Them's the people for me". We really do have a special breed of cretin round here
Only 10 of the 32 seats in NEL were available for re-election, and with so many not up for election for another 2 years, it was always going to remain Tory overall.
That said, I expected more seats to move away from Tory.
I know everyone hates 'the council' whether it's blue or red but with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland sacking off the tories or tory related unionist parties it shows the notion of a United Kingdom being a general farce subject to investigation by trade descriptions.
"Lovelly stuff! not my words but the words of Shakin Stevens."
Had to spoil my paper as there was only 2 candidates for Humberston. Conservatives are a shambles and Labour are just simply unelectable and for years to come it would seem and here lies the problem.
Very sad to see the poster above calling people cretins because he didn’t like the way they decided to vote🙄
Had to spoil my paper as there was only 2 candidates for Humberston. Conservatives are a shambles and Labour are just simply unelectable and for years to come it would seem and here lies the problem.
Very sad to see the poster above calling people cretins because he didn’t like the way they decided to vote🙄
As an obviously well informed individual surely you’d know it was Cons vs Labour before you set off? Labour seemingly more electable than Cons even after your comments that they wouldn’t get in for twenty years after the last GE.
As an obviously well informed individual surely you’d know it was Cons vs Labour before you set off? Labour seemingly more electable than Cons even after your comments that they wouldn’t get in for twenty years after the last GE.
Did I say 20 years? I underestimated then! Obviously every election in this country is and has always been, in my lifetime anyway a Cons v Labour election and again here lies the problem. People have this blind loyalty no matter how bad these party’s become they will never ever change their vote! You could even stick Diane Abbott in charge of Labour and people especially on this forum would still vote for them🥴
Did I say 20 years? I underestimated then! Obviously every election in this country is and has always been, in my lifetime anyway a Cons v Labour election and again here lies the problem. People have this blind loyalty no matter how bad these party’s become they will never ever change their vote! You could even stick Diane Abbott in charge of Labour and people especially on this forum would still vote for them🥴
You could stick someone like Boris in charge of the Tories and people, especially on this forum, would still vote for them and clearly did.
Only 2 candidates stood in my ward and I didn't get a single thing through the post from any of them. It's a common theme across the borough, lots of people noticeably knowing nothing about any of their candidates.
Sadly it's a reflection on our democratic system. There were more seats only contested by two candidates in NEL than I can ever remember. I was the Labour candidate in Humberston/New Waltham. It was a two horse race. Without my name on the ballot paper the Tory would have been elected unopposed. Local politics is an expensive business these days. Even major parties have to be careful where they spend their money. Its spent where it can be most effective for the party concerned aims. It's not only finance that is at a premium but willing volunteers. I'm sorry to say that although I was out most days not one of them was in Humberston/New Waltham. The wards are huge. Even the big two focus on target seats. Smaller parties don't have the resources to campaign anywhere other than a stronghold (I.e. the Lib Dems in East Marsh).
The aim of argument or discussion should not be victory but progress.
Had to spoil my paper as there was only 2 candidates for Humberston. Conservatives are a shambles and Labour are just simply unelectable and for years to come it would seem and here lies the problem.
Very sad to see the poster above calling people cretins because he didn’t like the way they decided to vote🙄
Walked in to my polling station in the same ward, when I got my slip I said to the staff "is that it...2 ?!" ..
No way I was voting for the current incumbents so went the red route.
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Starting to wonder Johnson would move out of No 10 if he lost an election now. Con MPs are absolute cowards for not doing anything about it - although the longer they leave it the worse it gets for them.
Nothing to see here, time to move on to the next inevitable Government scandal/clusterfuck and get on with the pretty abysmal job they're doing. Oh and levelling up, building back better, plus but Corbyn....
"Lovelly stuff! not my words but the words of Shakin Stevens."
Pretty amazing that there's still some claiming Corbyn would have been worse. How could it be worse? Taxes are the highest they've been in decades which was always the accusation thrown at Corbyn. But at least with Corbyn they'd have been spent on improving government services so that the public benefited, not billions of the public's money siphoned off to Tory donors in the form of sleazy contracts.
Reading the mealy-mouthed bullshit spouted by the likes of Vickers (a cowardly yes man) and Nici (shameless careerist) about the whole 'Partygate' affair makes me wonder how people who voted for these charlatans can look at themselves in the mirror at the moment?
For some reason, several of the parties/events at which Johnson was present were deemed to be work events for him (no fine), but social events (with fines) for junior underlings. Also, no investigation was even carried out into a reported event in his private flat in No. 10 which was described as an 'Abba Party'.
Oh, and the ministerial code (which is under the purview of the sitting PM) has just been amended by Johnson so that it is effectively meaningless. If ministers (including a certain Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson) break the code, they are no longer required to resign:
Tweet 1530174807316348928 will appear here...
Oddly enough, Johnson is currently under investigation as to whether or not he broke the ministerial code. What a coincidence!
Also, his 'ethics advisor', a stooge, isn't going to be allowed to investigate him, even if he wanted to under the new code.
Pete, I appreciate that you're saying he's lost your support, but I think you're bolting the stable door some years too late...
I suppose the only positive is that nobody else in parliament is such a proven, incompetent yet completely compromised liar so you'd have to hope that whoever takes over next regardless of their party, (even if they are absolutely flipping crooked), ought to be at least a minor improvement.
As expected, not quite sharp enough, but I'm surprised at the number of Tory MPs who didn't back him (albeit anonymously).
Johnson has been staggeringly useless, even with the backing ofhis party, so what nonsense will we see during the rest of his time in the hotseat as the other incompetents jostle in the background to take his place?
Tories are ruthless when they think they have a vote loser in charge. Beginning of the end for him.
Firstly, Wrexham use a back 3 and wing-back system. But anyway…
Johnson is finished. If there weren’t 2 by-elections in 16 days they’d finish him off this week. But as they are going to be destroyed in both they’ll sit tight for a couple of weeks and when they’ve lost both Graham Brady will call in a select few cabinet ministers and gently explain that BJ has to go now and then Brady and those cabinet minister will all go and see him and inform him his time is up and threaten a raft of resignations if he doesn’t go “voluntarily”.
If you read my previous posts I'm neither red nor blue. All we have today in all parties are career politicians who when they lose throw their dummies out.
You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
You avoided answering. How do you feel about The Brexit lies you were told now it’s clear it is an unmitigated economic disaster and all those claims turned out to be b0ll0cks? Do you feel conned?
As for all parties having ‘career politicians who throw their dummies out’….can you point to some examples of that?
You avoided answering. How do you feel about The Brexit lies you were told now it’s clear it is an unmitigated economic disaster and all those claims turned out to be b0ll0cks? Do you feel conned?
As for all parties having ‘career politicians who throw their dummies out’….can you point to some examples of that?
About 50 years ago politicians of various parties lied and made false promises to get my vote to go into a COMMON MARKET. A trading union, not what evolved. Voting to come out merely cancelled my vote of decades ago. What happened since Brexit is a capitulation to the EU in actions.
You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
About 50 years ago politicians of various parties lied and made false promises to get my vote to go into a COMMON MARKET. A trading union, not what evolved. Voting to come out merely cancelled my vote of decades ago. What happened since Brexit is a capitulation to the EU in actions.
It just isn’t. That’s another lie. Brexiteers blaming the EU’s so called intransigence. Think of it this way: if you decide to cancel your golf club membership and fees, you shouldn’t expect to go back and play for free whenever you like, and, when you’re rightly told ‘that’s not how it works sunshine’, yell at the club captain for being unfair. Just lie after lie. That’s why our economic growth is forecast to be zero by the OECD, second worst in the developed world behind Russia. The difference there being - Other countries have imposed economic sanctions on Russia….we’ve imposed sanctions on ourself!
Yes I have changed my mind about him and will not be voting blue at the next election that's if I am still alive.
Tens of thousands don’t have that luxury as they were killed as a result of your previous vote. Not sure how you and your like sleep at night to be honest.
I see that the ONS released data earlier this week which indicated that the only regions of the UK to have enjoyed any GDP growth since 2019 are London and Northern Ireland. London because it's a vampire that sucks all the investment away from the rest of the country ('levelling up' is a nonsense under this and previous governments) and Northern Ireland because, well, it's still in the single market.
My lord the left wing fascists on here is astounding. Give it a brek calling people that voted conservative allsorts of names, not the way to get them voting another way is it?.
My lord the left wing fascists on here is astounding. Give it a brek calling people that voted conservative allsorts of names, not the way to get them voting another way is it?.
You really need a dictionary…
'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
My lord the left wing fascists on here is astounding. Give it a brek calling people that voted conservative allsorts of names, not the way to get them voting another way is it?.
Amazing misunderstanding of fascism. Astounding.
“There's nothing wrong with the car except that it's on fire.”- Murray Walker
Johnson is finished. If there weren’t 2 by-elections in 16 days they’d finish him off this week. But as they are going to be destroyed in both they’ll sit tight for a couple of weeks and when they’ve lost both Graham Brady will call in a select few cabinet ministers and gently explain that BJ has to go now and then Brady and those cabinet minister will all go and see him and inform him his time is up and threaten a raft of resignations if he doesn’t go “voluntarily”.
Here we go. Within an hour of 2 humiliating by-election defeats Oliver Dowden has quit as Conservative Party Chairman. And it begins. We’ll find out soon whether the few decent and competent members of Johnson’s cabinet will do the right thing now and make their move.
And the Tiverton result especially just shows what a progressive alliance could achieve. Too much to hope for Labour and the LibDems to have the intelligence to enter the next election on a similar footing with an agreement to bring in a proper PR electoral system like the grown ups in the rest of the world.
Expect a slash and burn approach from the Tories during the next couple of years. They'll bring in any sort of whacko right-wing nonsense you can imagine to try and make it all but impossible for the next administration to goven. Copying the Republican playbook in the US.
And the Tiverton result especially just shows what a progressive alliance could achieve. Too much to hope for Labour and the LibDems to have the intelligence to enter the next election on a similar footing with an agreement to bring in a proper PR electoral system like the grown ups in the rest of the world.
Expect a slash and burn approach from the Tories during the next couple of years. They'll bring in any sort of whacko right-wing nonsense you can imagine to try and make it all but impossible for the next administration to goven. Copying the Republican playbook in the US.
Lower than vermin.
Unite passed a resolution last week to campaign for PR in UK elections so I think Labour will move to that position. Whether it's for the 2024 General Election or the one that follows that is another question.
The Tories would argue that it would erode democracy on a local level, but the truth is it would make every vote count and encourage people living in the 50% of seats that are considered "safe" but who don't vote for the party who always wins the seat to vote.
For me the best system would be...
Reduce the constituencies from 650 to 325. Constituencies are decided on the same voting system as Labour leadership election- you rank candidates 1 to X and the candidate in last place is eliminated and votes reassigned in order of preference until somebody has 50% +1 of votes cast.
325 MPs to be decided regionally on a separate party only vote.
Example: I live in the East Midlands region. There are 46 seats in the region. The Tories got 54.8% of the vote in 2019 but won 38 out of the 46 seats (82.6%). Labour got 31.7% of the vote but only won 8 out of the 46 seats (17.4%).
The system I outlined might have meant... Constituency seats: CON 19 & LAB 4. PR seats: CON 13, LAB 7, LD 2 & GRN 1. ...so the Tories 54.8% would have still got them 69.9% of MPs. Labour's 31.7% would have got them 23.9% of MPs. Lib Dem's 7.8% would have got them 4.35% of MPS & Green's 2.6% would have got them 2.17% of MPs. Much. much fairer and more representative of the electorate.
Yes because there definitely is no such thing as a left wing facist🙄
Oxford Dictionary definition...
FASCIST 1 an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. 2 (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.
Maybe you should consult a dictionary before using big words like Fascist?
I'd prefer to have something like the D'Hondt system which is pretty much entirely proportional. Due to the party list aspect of some of the candidates to be elected, it would promote membership of political parties which should, in theory at least, improve the levels of democracy in them. Hopefully, a bit less cronyism in the longer term as well.
It would all but remove the chances of a party forming a majority government in the UK (the dominance of the SNP under such a system is due to the failures of the UK government and opposition and the independence vote) and I think ongoing coalitions are the best option overall, even if bickering and politicking are required to form them in the first place.
Under PR, you'd probably see the Tories split into a party of Nationalist Kippers going for the more bigoted parts of the country with the remainder returning towards the centre who care most about keeping wealth moving upwards. Similarly, Labour would probably split into a more left-wing grouping with the New Labourites probably eating the lunch of the LibDems in most areas.
Whatever happens, something more representative is required.
FASCIST 1 an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. 2 (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.
Maybe you should consult a dictionary before using big words like Fascist?
I don’t need to look in a dictionary Hitler was a Lefty debate closed.
Hitler became chancellor of Germany in January 1933. The Communist Party (KPD) was banned in March 1933, trade unions were disbanded in May and the Social Democrats (SPD) abolished in June.
The sort of timeline you'd expect when a "lefty" takes over a country!
Hitler became chancellor of Germany in January 1933. The Communist Party (KPD) was banned in March 1933, trade unions were disbanded in May and the Social Democrats (SPD) abolished in June.
The sort of timeline you'd expect when a "lefty" takes over a country!
I have a tip for you. Comment on things you have an understanding of and leave the politics to the grown ups.
Ooh let’s have a look- What are the primary characteristics of Fascism….extreme nationalism, authoritarianism, and a state-run economy. If it sounds like and looks like left wing ideology 😂.
The Fact that silly lefty’s try to own the word so they can use it to verbally attack people close debate and keep them quiet is ironically quite facist.🤪
Ooh let’s have a look- What are the primary characteristics of Fascism….extreme nationalism, authoritarianism, and a state-run economy. If it sounds like and looks like left wing ideology 😂.
The Fact that silly lefty’s try to own the word so they can use it to verbally attack people close debate and keep them quiet is ironically quite facist.🤪
You know you can't just decide yourself what the definition of something is? Oxford dictionary entry for fascism: "an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. 2 (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice." Or are you smarter than the people who literally define the language we use?
You know you can't just decide yourself what the definition of something is? Oxford dictionary entry for fascism: "an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. 2 (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice." Or are you smarter than the people who literally define the language we use?
So take the extreme right wing part out and then you can now say this isn’t fascism it’s socialism or communism🙄 Extreme left and right want the same goal to oppress all no real difference just different ideas to get there.
So take the extreme right wing part out and then you can now say this isn’t fascism it’s socialism or communism🙄 Extreme left and right want the same goal to oppress all no real difference just different ideas to get there.
Ah! I see.
Simple really. Just take out the pesky part that negates your argument.
Ooh let’s have a look- What are the primary characteristics of Fascism….extreme nationalism, authoritarianism, and a state-run economy. If it sounds like and looks like left wing ideology 😂.
The Fact that silly lefty’s try to own the word so they can use it to verbally attack people close debate and keep them quiet is ironically quite facist.🤪
FFS stop digging. You’ve made a wally of yourself already. And now you compound that by showing you have no understanding of left wing ideology either.
Wikipedia can be your friend…
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Generally, the left-wing is characterized by an emphasis on "ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism" while the right-wing is characterized by an emphasis on "notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism".
So take the extreme right wing part out and then you can now say this isn’t fascism it’s socialism or communism🙄 Extreme left and right want the same goal to oppress all no real difference just different ideas to get there.
Ah okay, so you don’t know what socialism is either. Righto.
Yeah, some people think that communists want a totalitarian state such as those seen in the Soviet Union, China and do forth. I'm pretty sure that most communists don't look to this as the ideal, but they are still obviously a bit misty-eyed about the reality. Every communist state has ended up as totalitarian which tends to indicate that this is what human nature turns it into.
What about socialism? Look how well the UK did in the post-war years when we socialised healthcare, utilities and some of the major industry. Successful social democracy in action. The right chipped chipped chipped away at it, however, so it wasn't renewed as it was in many countries (where it is still pretty successful) and we're left with the appalling neoliberal dystopia in which we currently exist.
Plenty of examples of social democracy being successful in Europe and elsewhere in the world which makes it all the more risible that the billionaire-owned, right-wing media try to claim any moderate left-wing politician is Stalin in a suit or dress.
FFS stop digging. You’ve made a wally of yourself already. And now you compound that by showing you have no understanding of left wing ideology either.
Wikipedia can be your friend…
Wikipedia 😂 You do understand the difference between left wing and extreme/far left FFS😳
Yeah, some people think that communists want a totalitarian state such as those seen in the Soviet Union, China and do forth. I'm pretty sure that most communists don't look to this as the ideal, but they are still obviously a bit misty-eyed about the reality. Every communist state has ended up as totalitarian which tends to indicate that this is what human nature turns it into.
What about socialism? Look how well the UK did in the post-war years when we socialised healthcare, utilities and some of the major industry. Successful social democracy in action. The right chipped chipped chipped away at it, however, so it wasn't renewed as it was in many countries (where it is still pretty successful) and we're left with the appalling neoliberal dystopia in which we currently exist.
Plenty of examples of social democracy being successful in Europe and elsewhere in the world which makes it all the more risible that the billionaire-owned, right-wing media try to claim any moderate left-wing politician is Stalin in a suit or dress.
There has never been a true communist country not yet anyway. As for socialism once the money has run out the end result is always going to be utter failure, love how this failure is always blamed on the right… chipping at it 😂😂😂
Wikipedia 😂 You do understand the difference between left wing and extreme/far left FFS😳
I understand lots of things. I understand the difference between somebody who has even a small understanding about the subject they are talking about and somebody who doesn't have the slightest understanding about the what they are talking about.
As a great man once said...
"You can explain it to them. You can’t understand it for them."
I understand lots of things. I understand the difference between somebody who has even a small understanding about the subject they are talking about and somebody who doesn't have the slightest understanding about the what they are talking about.
As a great man once said...
"You can explain it to them. You can’t understand it for them."
Humbo appears to be taking the Trump route. If you're clearly wrong, never admit it but instead double down on the nonsense, however stupid it makes you appear.
It takes some crazy mental gymnastics to imagine that history's most famous fascist dictator was actually a Marxist...
I love how modern day socialists hate to be reminded that Hitler was one of them😂 I doubt many even know what NAZI stands for to be fair, but those that do just don’t like to hear it. Like most fellow socialists he didn’t agree with everything regarding the Marxist ideology but he did incorporate much into his own version of socialism. Anti capitalism, anti individualism, and anti democracy, were certainly in the main not much different to Stalin really it’s just that he believed his version of socialism was better!
No different today when you look around the world, someone else’s Socialism was going to be better, and when it goes wrong ‘ it wasn’t the true version of socialism because the right keep chipping away at it 😂😂😂 just like cults these Dictators when in power think that their version is the one and only true version and that all the other cults are inferior. That their cult will succeed when all previous variations of socialism have always failed. And people still believe socialism for the greater good….. Fuckin Madness.
“Germany’s economic policy is conducted exclusively in accordance with the interests of the German people. In this respect I am a fanatical socialist, one who has ever in mind the interests of all his people.” – February 24, 1941, Hitlers speech on the 21st anniversary of the Nazi Party
I love how modern day socialists hate to be reminded that Hitler was one of them😂 I doubt many even know what NAZI stands for to be fair, but those that do just don’t like to hear it. Like most fellow socialists he didn’t agree with everything regarding the Marxist ideology but he did incorporate much into his own version of socialism. Anti capitalism, anti individualism, and anti democracy, were certainly in the main not much different to Stalin really it’s just that he believed his version of socialism was better!
No different today when you look around the world, someone else’s Socialism was going to be better, and when it goes wrong ‘ it wasn’t the true version of socialism because the right keep chipping away at it 😂😂😂 just like cults these Dictators when in power think that their version is the one and only true version and that all the other cults are inferior. That their cult will succeed when all previous variations of socialism have always failed. And people still believe socialism for the greater good….. Fuckin Madness.
“Germany’s economic policy is conducted exclusively in accordance with the interests of the German people. In this respect I am a fanatical socialist, one who has ever in mind the interests of all his people.” – February 24, 1941, Hitlers speech on the 21st anniversary of the Nazi Party
Next you'll be saying you believe the European Research Group of Tories MP were actually doing research into the EU!
I've read some stupidity on this site, this is a new level, even for you
Hitler wasnt right wing....... good god almighty
For the record Hagrid he was never right wing, and never labelled right wing and you have the audacity to call me stupid! There is nothing at all wrong with being right wing your comments are pure ignorant.
For the record Hagrid he was never right wing, and never labelled right wing and you have the audacity to call me stupid! There is nothing at all wrong with being right wing your comments are pure ignorant.
For the record Hagrid he was never right wing yes he was
never labelled right wing Yes he was
There is nothing at all wrong with being right wing yes their is
For the record Hagrid he was never right wing, and never labelled right wing and you have the audacity to call me stupid! There is nothing at all wrong with being right wing your comments are pure ignorant.
Nazism is a right wing ideology. It is violently racist, anti-socialist, and it targets the political left for extermination. This is underscored by Albert Einstein's embrace of socialism throughout his life -- and in particular in his 1949 essay, Why Socialism? -- along with the fact that Einstein's name was included on a Nazi death list with a bounty of $50,000 offered for his assassination. If Nazism really is socialism, why would Einstein have identified himself as a socialist a scant four years after WWII?
The current right wing conflation of Nazism and the left is sleazy. A more informed population would view this as completely idiotic, but unfortunately this propaganda is becoming increasingly effective.
“There's nothing wrong with the car except that it's on fire.”- Murray Walker
Nazism is a right wing ideology. It is violently racist, anti-socialist, and it targets the political left for extermination. This is underscored by Albert Einstein's embrace of socialism throughout his life -- and in particular in his 1949 essay, Why Socialism? -- along with the fact that Einstein's name was included on a Nazi death list with a bounty of $50,000 offered for his assassination. If Nazism really is socialism, why would Einstein have identified himself as a socialist a scant four years after WWII?
The current right wing conflation of Nazism and the left is sleazy. A more informed population would view this as completely idiotic, but unfortunately this propaganda is becoming increasingly effective.
Extreme right wing FFS get some perspective! extreme left and right are equally as bad so far out on the scale they are literally touching each other, fellow mass murderers in the name of ideology Stalin and Mao made Hitler look like a flipping amateur.
Are all conservative voters bad people no are all Labour voters bad people no, combat 18 or national front if they are still around fascist scumbags likewise Antifa fascist scum and to a lesser extent Momentum that need wiping out.
Alliances were formed between the communist and socialist after the war, how could they move forward if the likes of the holocaust was linked to their own ideology, that’s when the bullshit went into overdrive and fascism was a movement of the far right pushed by the media allowing the likes of Albert to thrive in the USA.
Extreme right wing FFS get some perspective! extreme left and right are equally as bad so far out on the scale they are literally touching each other, fellow mass murderers in the name of ideology Stalin and Mao made Hitler look like a flipping amateur.
Are all conservative voters bad people no are all Labour voters bad people no, combat 18 or national front if they are still around fascist scumbags likewise Antifa fascist scum and to a lesser extent Momentum that need wiping out.
Alliances were formed between the communist and socialist after the war, how could they move forward if the likes of the holocaust was linked to their own ideology, that’s when the bullshit went into overdrive and fascism was a movement of the far right pushed by the media allowing the likes of Albert to thrive in the USA.
Do you agree with the statement? And if not ,which parts?
“There's nothing wrong with the car except that it's on fire.”- Murray Walker
The right wing don't have to be extreme to be utter coonts. The ones we have running the country now are gleefully feathering their own nests while people are struggling massively just to get by. All this whilst living in one of the wealthiest countries on the planet.
Their magic trick is making people think the alternative is worse, using all the power and influence they have to blame everyone but themselves for all the countries ills.
You have to hand it to them really. All they have to do is convince enough people to keep them in power and the rest can fall through the cracks.
My favourite bit of don't give a fuckery which has recently come to light is the story that Johnson was trying to get a Tory donor to build his latest child (who was just months old) a £150K tree house at Chequers at the same time as they were persuading MPs in Parliament to vote against extending free school dinners for kids in poverty over the school holidays.
It's a story which would have been OTT on The Thick of It, let alone in reality. And it's not even close to being the worst thing that they've done over the past few years. Yet, here we are still.
I don’t know why any other you bother entertaining this absolute lunatic. Some of the language he uses, like Momentum (a group formed to organise within the Labour Party) and others need “wiping out”, would not be out of place in Anders Brevik’s manifesto. Quite frankly I wouldn’t be shocked if the authorities are keeping a close eye on him and GrimRob should really be considering whether someone like that is fit to be posting on here. He’s almost as bad as that other far right crank who used to post on here about the “great replacement” theory, mariner93 or something? Another danger.
I don’t know why any other you bother entertaining this absolute lunatic. Some of the language he uses, like Momentum (a group formed to organise within the Labour Party) and others need “wiping out”, would not be out of place in Anders Brevik’s manifesto. Quite frankly I wouldn’t be shocked if the authorities are keeping a close eye on him and GrimRob should really be considering whether someone like that is fit to be posting on here. He’s almost as bad as that other far right crank who used to post on here about the “great replacement” theory, mariner93 or something? Another danger.
"wiping out" could mean anything. It doesn't read to me as necessarily a threat of violence. Movements grow and wane and wiping out could just mean losing popularity. I have no idea what he meant but the phrase didn't jump out to me when I read it.
'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. ~ Alfred Lord Tennyson
I don’t know why any other you bother entertaining this absolute lunatic. Some of the language he uses, like Momentum (a group formed to organise within the Labour Party) and others need “wiping out”, would not be out of place in Anders Brevik’s manifesto. Quite frankly I wouldn’t be shocked if the authorities are keeping a close eye on him and GrimRob should really be considering whether someone like that is fit to be posting on here. He’s almost as bad as that other far right crank who used to post on here about the “great replacement” theory, mariner93 or something? Another danger.
Seek help.
What an absolute drama Queen You question my fitness to post to the site admin hoping to cancel me in true Monument fashion! For the record I always try and post within the rules these days out of respect for the forum, but now that you’ve questioned me for my reasonable points of view let’s take a look at your fitness from some snippets over the las 6 months-
Anyone who expected anything different from this set of shitcunts is an idiot. Shame on anyone who voted for them, I hope they and their families are struggling badly.
All the Tory voters on here, wonder if any of their lives ones ended up in the ground while their overlords were getting drunk and racking up lines in Downing Street? I’d laugh like a flipping drain. That’s exactly the kind of things many on here wanted to vote for in 2019. I hope they all choke on their weetabix tbh
I hope everyone who voted Tory in 2019 is having a really, miserable time and suffering immeasurably
Bring back the death penalty for these
Plenty of pensioners and those approaching old age on here who voted for exactly what’s being dished out. It would be objectively VERY funny if they themselves were to suffer as a result of these policies and I very much hope it happens
I live in hope that Toynbee, the Friedlands, the John Harrises and Helen Pidds of this world suffer greatly at the hands of the government they choose to put in power. It gave me great joy to see Rafael Behr had suffered a heart attack - which he blamed on Corbyn - and only wish it had finished him off.
It’s perfectly legitimate to not love your country, I hate this appalling shithole country and evveryone in it.
Wow I think it’s pretty clear to see that you are obviously the one who’s fitness to post should be questioned, your clearly absolutely bitter and twisted and verging on derangement it would seem.
I really hope reading your sick posts back will help you see that you definitely has some kind of mental illness and needs help now, or maybe gets some Jesus into your life you obviously lack love and compassion I wish you well with the treatment.
lmao some absolute corkers in there. There’s a slight difference between hoping some people see the consequences of voting for this party on the proviso that they force someone else into misery and destitution, and calling for a group of people to be “wiped out” when I doubt you could even explain what Momentum are or what they do?
Still, good that you were up well past midnight trawling 6 months worth of posts of someone you disagree with politically. Definitely not unhinged.
lmao some absolute corkers in there. There’s a slight difference between hoping some people see the consequences of voting for this party on the proviso that they force someone else into misery and destitution, and calling for a group of people to be “wiped out” when I doubt you could even explain what Momentum are or what they do?
Still, good that you were up well past midnight trawling 6 months worth of posts of someone you disagree with politically. Definitely not unhinged.
“There’s a slight difference between hoping some people see the consequences of voting for this party” well that’s one way to put it or another way is to wish somebody to suffer or even death! You can twist it all you like it Ska those are pure evil comments, I don’t know you thankfully, but I know the person you are a nasty fanatic. An anti- democratic Censor of opposing views. Only an extremist nutcase would wish people suffering just for having the audacity to disagree with your political views you really do have a lot in common with Hitler. And then you go crying to Rob to accuse me of the actual things your are guilty of absolute snake. I bet you used to steal biscuits as a kid and blame it on your siblings😂
By the way I stand by wanting fascist organisations wiping out.
I didn’t get home until just before midnight because I have a life it took me 5 mins to type in your silly username and 180 days thanks to the fishy brilliant search engine it’s really that easy 😀
Another day. Another scandal. But this one will finish Boris. He’s toast.
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He isn't. He survives everything. Too many people do what the nom-dom billionaires tell them to do and only vote Tory. No matter how incompetent and corrupt they are.
Looks to me like Boris has read Teflon Tony's book and improved upon it.
For all Blair's faults, he's nowhere near as corrupt as Boris. And, war in Iraq aside, was a competent prime minister. Slimy tw@t mind but a much better leader than Johnson who is rotten to the core and totally ineffective and useless.
So, Johnson's line as reported by No. 10 seems to be:
I didn't know anything about it. There was no formal complaint so there is no proof anything happened. OK, there was a formal complaint and a reprimand, but I didn't know anything about it. OK, I was told about the reprimand but I forgot so I wasn't deliberately lying and I apparently don't have any advisors who can remember anything, either.
What's next, I wonder? At this rate, it will turn out that Johnson went out groping with Pincher (nominative determinism in action) on a weekly basis!
Remember the good old days when politicians would resign after wrongdoing or incompetence? The useless tub of lard is going to brazen it out and his MPs are too cowardly to do anything about it. What have Vickers and Nici said about this latest shitshow? Blah blah, war, blah blah, Ukraine, blah blah, Russia, no doubt.
He was ok to start with but then went the same way as Maggie " I Rule "syndrome. Incidentally, I'm waiting for somebody to find those ' weapons of mass destruction.
You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
He was ok to start with but then went the same way as Maggie " I Rule "syndrome. Incidentally, I'm waiting for somebody to find those ' weapons of mass destruction.
No he wasn't. He's never achieved the distinction of OK in any walk of life. He's a lying, cheating, self obsessed, narcissistic and useless fu(kwit.
It was obvious what would happen if you let that buffoon have the keys to the kingdom, yet you all happily voted for him anyway, 'cos he's funny and a bit of a lad.
Just watched the clown making a fool of himself again on the news, Javid has resigned expect quite a few to follow, Sunak as I type , curtains for Johnson
No he wasn't. He's never achieved the distinction of OK in any walk of life. He's a lying, cheating, self obsessed, narcissistic and useless fu(kwit.
It was obvious what would happen if you let that buffoon have the keys to the kingdom, yet you all happily voted for him anyway, 'cos he's funny and a bit of a lad.
The problem for me was tory sleaze, Major & Curry for instance.
This country has been failed by political parties, both red & blue for decades. Their no distinct difference anymore in them as they scramble for the centre-ground voters.
You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
The thing is, the government has probably just become marginally more competent with the resignation of Sunak and Javid. They've both obviously quit to get their leadership campaigns underway but that just goes to show what a shitshow this government will remain even when Johnson is eventually ejected.
Next out will likely be Truss who is simply mind-blowingly useless. The next Chris Grayling but in a skirt.
Unfortunately, we will end up with another no mark in charge of the country.
Javid and Sunak positioning themselves for a go at the top job, which I think Sunak will get.
God help us.
The worse thing is they will pretend they are new government and not one that’s been in power for 12 years and we’re quite happy to back Johnson only a couple of weeks back
He isn't. He survives everything. Too many people do what the nom-dom billionaires tell them to do and only vote Tory. No matter how incompetent and corrupt they are.
You still think he’s gonna survive? Like I said this morning, he’s toast.
If this country still votes Tory after this then i really dont know what else to say or do.
I see that smug cringeworthy maggot Rees-Mogg has said he’s staying, he’s the worst of the lot
Yep and it will be the 4th in 7 years, which just shows what an absolute shambles the Tories are.
The Tory Party elects a leader, who then goes to the country. The country votes them in and they are just as bad, or worse, then the last idiot.
Cameron fooked up and dropped the ball in May's court. She couldn't do any better, so Boris sidled in after coveting the top job since he was in short pants. He has been an even bigger disaster than the last two and whoever gets it next won't be much better.
Think we may get a Lib Lab pact and hopefully they manage to get PR over the line, which could end the Tories as we know them.
If the country votes in the Tories again, I think I will seriously consider emigrating.
You still think he’s gonna survive? Like I said this morning, he’s toast.
Maybe not now. He’s got through far worse than this but the resignations tonight change it a bit. Dorries, Truss, Patel etc sticking around probably buys him a couple of days at least you’d think which would be enough time to get Durham Police to do a job for him.
Yep and it will be the 4th in 7 years, which just shows what an absolute shambles the Tories are.
The Tory Party elects a leader, who then goes to the country. The country votes them in and they are just as bad, or worse, then the last idiot.
Cameron fooked up and dropped the ball in May's court. She couldn't do any better, so Boris sidled in after coveting the top job since he was in short pants. He has been an even bigger disaster than the last two and whoever gets it next won't be much better.
Think we may get a Lib Lab pact and hopefully they manage to get PR over the line, which could end the Tories as we know them.
If the country votes in the Tories again, I think I will seriously consider emigrating.
Maybe not now. He’s got through far worse than this but the resignations tonight change it a bit. Dorries, Truss, Patel etc sticking around probably buys him a couple of days at least you’d think which would be enough time to get Durham Police to do a job for him.
Dorries, Truss, Patel. ........ The three degrees of stupidity, ignorance and uselessness, what a backing group, what a laughing stock our country is at the moment
Dorries, Truss, Patel. ........ The three degrees of stupidity, ignorance and uselessness, what a backing group, what a laughing stock our country is at the moment
They’ve got 358 current MPs and these are supposedly the best of the bunch. We’re a joke country.
Well, I suppose we've at least got some diversity in the two front-runners for the job.
Javid entered banking after his studies and lost investors millions as he was pushing worthless CDOs at Deutsche Bank in the lead up to the great financial crisis in 2007-2008.
Sunak got his first job at Goldman Sachs before moving on to various hedge funds, latterly the one owned by his billionaire father-in-law.
Johnson can still survive he has one last throw of the dice come out and give us a true Conservative leader. Cut the fuel duty, tax cuts, wokism, drop this carbon neutral net zero bollox, and have the guts to deal with the illegal invaders, ignore the EU courts, ignore the lefty human rights sponging lawyers, and stand up to the little french Napoleon wannabe. He’s now in for 10 years. Personally I don’t think he has the Will, so looks like to me he’s on the way out, but for the love of god I hope he proves me wrong.
Johnson can still survive he has one last throw of the dice come out and give us a true Conservative leader. Cut the fuel duty, tax cuts, wokism, drop this carbon neutral net zero bollox, and have the guts to deal with the illegal invaders, ignore the EU courts, ignore the lefty human rights sponging lawyers, and stand up to the little french Napoleon wannabe. He’s now in for 10 years. Personally I don’t think he has the Will, so looks like to me he’s on the way out, but for the love of god I hope he proves me wrong.
Surely this is satire? The Tory MPs can see he’s lost, a few will stick by him for one last feed at the trough, they know the trust has gone, Johnson is trashing his own party, he will cling on as long as he can but his time is up, the Tories are ruthless when someone is an electoral liability
There have been a few more resignations tonight. Not heavyweights, but the momentum is gathering.
The Tories will get rid because all they want is to be in power and Bojo can no longer deliver an election victory. Those front benchers backing him are aware that they have been promoted far beyond their talents and will be gone the minute he is, so they have no choice.
I mean, c'mon, Dominic Raab is deputy Prime Minister. The mind boggles at the heights to which that chinless wonder has risen. He has the IQ of a biscuit.
Johnson can still survive he has one last throw of the dice come out and give us a true Conservative leader. Cut the fuel duty, tax cuts, wokism, drop this carbon neutral net zero bollox, and have the guts to deal with the illegal invaders, ignore the EU courts, ignore the lefty human rights sponging lawyers, and stand up to the little french Napoleon wannabe.
I must admit, I’m getting Trainspotting vibes from you there Humbercod…all I’m hearing is…
‘Choose life. Choose big fûckin tax cuts for the rich elite and multi-national corporations. Choose a non-dom tax status in a sunny tax haven. Choose 4.0 litre V6 Range Rovers with a fückin mahogany dash, ivory coated gear knôbs and seats stitched by slaves. Choose to eat or heat. Choose to use a food bank. Choose to believe what’s written on the side of a fookin’ bus even if it’s destination is the fückin Victorian era. Choose to use terms like snowflake and woke when you don’t really understand what they mean, but Dan Wootton uses them and he writes the captions under the photos for Big Paper. Choose to bray loudly about Rugby Union at a Rugby League event because sport doesn’t exist in the North, unless it can be bought by an oil rich state for Tuscan villa favours. Choose to shift 2 million social housing dwellings into private hands without a plan to replace them. Do it again 40 years later. Choose to boast financial fraud is a victimless crime. Choose to open up new pork markets so fūckin wide you can see the fückin tapeworm wriggling up your arše like a Tory whip on crack. Choose to build back butter, build back corrupter, billed back hander. Choose to think it would be worse under Labour, a coalition or Count Binhead’s separatist movement for the clinically insane. Choose to say they’re all at it so let’s not hold them to account. Choose to bang on about Jeremy Corbyn even though he’s been on a life support machine for two years, existing only in the minds of Conservative voters like an anti-Golem.
Choose to vow not to make the same mistake again…then make the same mistake again when the Daily Mail tells you too.
Choose to hack phones. Choose to vote Jacob Rees-Mogg as your MP, fúckin, Adolf Shïtler with a knocked up and knocked about au pair. Choose the UK’s official human rights partner, the Public Fùckin Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia. Choose to accept cash in grubby fückin Slazenger holdalls from PIF in exchange for steady awaying the sportswashing acquisition of a deluded North East football club.
Choose to be on the wrong side of history. Choose to screw over the next generation, the one after that and, aye, the next one too just to make sure their hopes are truly fûcked.
Choose to cut nurses’ pay, choose to cut nurses, cut up the nurses into Sports Direct bags and re-employ the cute nurses on zero hour contracts with hems as short as a Tory voters memory. Choose to clap for carers. Choose to clap for careers. Choose to clap for your right to work harder, longer, less productively for the 1%. Choose sinks for the lady referees and for smuggling the kitchen sink into Blundell Park up your lady parts. Choose to have no appetite for speed restrictions along Humberston Road. Choose to send half of our weapons to Ukraine and the other half to Yemen to deflect from your lack of ability to govern the country or the economy. Choose a job. Lose a job. Get on your bike for a job. Lose that job when the company you work for has lost its export trade due to Brexit. Choose to promote growth in the EU by forcing the fücking extinction bothering, decaying carcass of the UK manufacturing industry to set up subsidiaries in Ireland to be able to continue to sell to your largest, neighbourly trading partner. Choose to do the IRA’s work in 6 years and then claim all of your political rivals are pro-IRA, pro-Putin and pro-Boko Haram. Choose to steal £200k of shares. Choose to threaten to shut down a football forum. Choose to try to sell said football club to a fūckin convicted fraudster. Choose to get things done and then blame the whole sorry mess on someone else. Choose to fill the putrid, gaping hole in the economy by selling single-sex portaloos to Panama, choose Carrie’s stylist as the successful tender and pump the profits into a Panamanian parent company. Choose to spûnk millions on track and trace, then use the tech to track Tracy and deport her to Timbuktu for protesting against Government corruption. Choose to be a shägger. Choose to tuck everyone’s shirts in, even when they’re already tucked into your trousers like a free bar at Number 10. Choose to vote for MPs who hate this country, then claim everyone else hates this country more. Choose to hide in a fridge. Choose to have an illegal lockdown party, pose for pictures taken by a tax payer funded photographer and then choose to deny all knowledge of the event when the images surface. Choose to break the education system to reap the next generation of gullible voters. Choose to break the health system so you can privatise it and sell it to the highest bidder who just happens to be your sister’s fookin brother. Choose not to import two thirds of all of our apples, import nine tenths of all of our pears and import two thirds of our cheese. Choose not to pick the apples and pears and leave them rotting in the earth like a metaphor for the disenfranchised youth. Choose not to export the cheese because it’s become too expensive to export (which is quite frankly a fookin’ disgrace). Choose to blame it on the people who didn’t vote for it. Choose to think Sunak or the next chancer will be any different. Choose to dilute the ministerial code, choose to lose one Ethics Advisor and choose to lose the next one for good measure. Choose to be a pathological liar. Choose an old school tie and the power vested in you by the ability to twist a neat Windsor knot. Choose to believe there’s nothing else. Choose to want what Murdoch wants because he’s Australian and we love Australians because they always have our best interests at heart and they don’t eat garlic.
Choose to tax the childless, whether they can afford kids or not. Choose to harvest the wombs and testicles of those that can’t have children, sell them to China as aphrodisiacs and then buy them back for more money. Tax the childless again to fund the deficit. Rinse. Repeat. But with higher rates of interest and a funky presentation on Rishi’s Instagram story.
Choose trading children’s futures for trading futures.
Choose to level up by shoving a sherry soaked beer mat under a wonky Wetherspoons table and expect the poor, ungrateful Northern bästards to be appreciative of the token gesture.
Choose your future. Choose life…
But why would I want to do a thing like that?
I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin’ else.
And the reasons? There are no reasons.
Who needs reasons when you can vote Conservative’.
I must admit, I’m getting Trainspotting vibes from you there Humbercod…all I’m hearing is…
‘Choose life. Choose big fûckin tax cuts for the rich elite and multi-national corporations. Choose a non-dom tax status in a sunny tax haven. Choose 4.0 litre V6 Range Rovers with a fückin mahogany dash, ivory coated gear knôbs and seats stitched by slaves. Choose to eat or heat. Choose to use a food bank. Choose to believe what’s written on the side of a fookin’ bus even if it’s destination is the fückin Victorian era. Choose to use terms like snowflake and woke when you don’t really understand what they mean, but Dan Wootton uses them and he writes the captions under the photos for Big Paper. Choose to bray loudly about Rugby Union at a Rugby League event because sport doesn’t exist in the North, unless it can be bought by an oil rich state for Tuscan villa favours. Choose to shift 2 million social housing dwellings into private hands without a plan to replace them. Do it again 40 years later. Choose to boast financial fraud is a victimless crime. Choose to open up new pork markets so fūckin wide you can see the fückin tapeworm wriggling up your arše like a Tory whip on crack. Choose to build back butter, build back corrupter, billed back hander. Choose to think it would be worse under Labour, a coalition or Count Binhead’s separatist movement for the clinically insane. Choose to say they’re all at it so let’s not hold them to account. Choose to bang on about Jeremy Corbyn even though he’s been on a life support machine for two years, existing only in the minds of Conservative voters like an anti-Golem.
Choose to vow not to make the same mistake again…then make the same mistake again when the Daily Mail tells you too.
Choose to hack phones. Choose to vote Jacob Rees-Mogg as your MP, fúckin, Adolf Shïtler with a knocked up and knocked about au pair. Choose the UK’s official human rights partner, the Public Fùckin Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia. Choose to accept cash in grubby fückin Slazenger holdalls from PIF in exchange for steady awaying the sportswashing acquisition of a deluded North East football club.
Choose to be on the wrong side of history. Choose to screw over the next generation, the one after that and, aye, the next one too just to make sure their hopes are truly fûcked.
Choose to cut nurses’ pay, choose to cut nurses, cut up the nurses into Sports Direct bags and re-employ the cute nurses on zero hour contracts with hems as short as a Tory voters memory. Choose to clap for carers. Choose to clap for careers. Choose to clap for your right to work harder, longer, less productively for the 1%. Choose sinks for the lady referees and for smuggling the kitchen sink into Blundell Park up your lady parts. Choose to have no appetite for speed restrictions along Humberston Road. Choose to send half of our weapons to Ukraine and the other half to Yemen to deflect from your lack of ability to govern the country or the economy. Choose a job. Lose a job. Get on your bike for a job. Lose that job when the company you work for has lost its export trade due to Brexit. Choose to promote growth in the EU by forcing the fücking extinction bothering, decaying carcass of the UK manufacturing industry to set up subsidiaries in Ireland to be able to continue to sell to your largest, neighbourly trading partner. Choose to do the IRA’s work in 6 years and then claim all of your political rivals are pro-IRA, pro-Putin and pro-Boko Haram. Choose to steal £200k of shares. Choose to threaten to shut down a football forum. Choose to try to sell said football club to a fūckin convicted fraudster. Choose to get things done and then blame the whole sorry mess on someone else. Choose to fill the putrid, gaping hole in the economy by selling single-sex portaloos to Panama, choose Carrie’s stylist as the successful tender and pump the profits into a Panamanian parent company. Choose to spûnk millions on track and trace, then use the tech to track Tracy and deport her to Timbuktu for protesting against Government corruption. Choose to be a shägger. Choose to tuck everyone’s shirts in, even when they’re already tucked into your trousers like a free bar at Number 10. Choose to vote for MPs who hate this country, then claim everyone else hates this country more. Choose to hide in a fridge. Choose to have an illegal lockdown party, pose for pictures taken by a tax payer funded photographer and then choose to deny all knowledge of the event when the images surface. Choose to break the education system to reap the next generation of gullible voters. Choose to break the health system so you can privatise it and sell it to the highest bidder who just happens to be your sister’s fookin brother. Choose not to import two thirds of all of our apples, import nine tenths of all of our pears and import two thirds of our cheese. Choose not to pick the apples and pears and leave them rotting in the earth like a metaphor for the disenfranchised youth. Choose not to export the cheese because it’s become too expensive to export (which is quite frankly a fookin’ disgrace). Choose to blame it on the people who didn’t vote for it. Choose to think Sunak or the next chancer will be any different. Choose to dilute the ministerial code, choose to lose one Ethics Advisor and choose to lose the next one for good measure. Choose to be a pathological liar. Choose an old school tie and the power vested in you by the ability to twist a neat Windsor knot. Choose to believe there’s nothing else. Choose to want what Murdoch wants because he’s Australian and we love Australians because they always have our best interests at heart and they don’t eat garlic.
Choose to tax the childless, whether they can afford kids or not. Choose to harvest the wombs and testicles of those that can’t have children, sell them to China as aphrodisiacs and then buy them back for more money. Tax the childless again to fund the deficit. Rinse. Repeat. But with higher rates of interest and a funky presentation on Rishi’s Instagram story.
Choose trading children’s futures for trading futures.
Choose to level up by shoving a sherry soaked beer mat under a wonky Wetherspoons table and expect the poor, ungrateful Northern bästards to be appreciative of the token gesture.
Choose your future. Choose life…
But why would I want to do a thing like that?
I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin’ else.
And the reasons? There are no reasons.
Who needs reasons when you can vote Conservative’.
x
Outstanding!!!! 😂
“I know writers who use subtext and they’re all cowards.” –Garth Marenghi
Any one that voted for a party that contains Jacob Rees Mogg and Boris Johnson needs to give their head a wobble.
The worst government ever. Fact. Johnson, the worst PM ever. For so long the tories worked hard at keeping him away from leadership, they eventually failed and now we’re at this point. They may mock Labour, those daft Tory voters may mock labour but in comparison to the current Tory party, labour is a place of tranquility and calm…
Our government is embarrassing and the really sad part is multi multi millionaire Sunak hasn’t left because he’s grown a moral compass, if that was the case he’d have gone months ago. He’s left because he fancies his chances at the leadership so he’s done what all rat tories do and distanced himself with just enough time for everyone to forget he’s a massive girl private too and will then launch his leadership campaign.
Any country that makes Zahawi chancellor and the prospect of Nadine Dorriws being in charge of education tells you it’s copulated…
'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
Zahawi - who claimed heating for his stables as an expense - in charge of the govt’s spending.
I’m surprised he agreed to become chancellor. I thought he would want to be next leader and resigning early or taking a promotion aren’t going to help his cause. I thought he would have sat tight, refused to back Johnson, refused the promotion and waited for the inevitable.
By nailing his colours to Johnson now he’s almost certainly ended any chance he had. I imagine he’s come to the conclusion that Johnson will survive, but he’s wrong:
There have been a few more resignations tonight. Not heavyweights, but the momentum is gathering.
The Tories will get rid because all they want is to be in power and Bojo can no longer deliver an election victory. Those front benchers backing him are aware that they have been promoted far beyond their talents and will be gone the minute he is, so they have no choice.
I mean, c'mon, Dominic Raab is deputy Prime Minister. The mind boggles at the heights to which that chinless wonder has risen. He has the IQ of a biscuit.
Not being funny but if you think Raab has the IQ of a biscuit, then what must you think of the shadow deputy? And be honest in your reply.
KEY EVENTS Who has resigned? Bim Afolami09:05 Who has resigned? Jonathan Gullis09:00 Who has resigned? Saqib Bhatti08:56 Who has resigned? Nicola Richards08:52 Who has resigned? Virginia Crosbie 08:44 Who has resigned? Theo Clarke08:40 Who has resigned? Alex Chalk 08:36 Who has resigned? Will Quince08:32 Who has resigned? Laura Trott 08:31
This reads as if they are queuing up to resign.
You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
I must admit, I’m getting Trainspotting vibes from you there Humbercod…all I’m hearing is…
‘Choose life. Choose big fûckin tax cuts for the rich elite and multi-national corporations. Choose a non-dom tax status in a sunny tax haven. Choose 4.0 litre V6 Range Rovers with a fückin mahogany dash, ivory coated gear knôbs and seats stitched by slaves. Choose to eat or heat. Choose to use a food bank. Choose to believe what’s written on the side of a fookin’ bus even if it’s destination is the fückin Victorian era. Choose to use terms like snowflake and woke when you don’t really understand what they mean, but Dan Wootton uses them and he writes the captions under the photos for Big Paper. Choose to bray loudly about Rugby Union at a Rugby League event because sport doesn’t exist in the North, unless it can be bought by an oil rich state for Tuscan villa favours. Choose to shift 2 million social housing dwellings into private hands without a plan to replace them. Do it again 40 years later. Choose to boast financial fraud is a victimless crime. Choose to open up new pork markets so fūckin wide you can see the fückin tapeworm wriggling up your arše like a Tory whip on crack. Choose to build back butter, build back corrupter, billed back hander. Choose to think it would be worse under Labour, a coalition or Count Binhead’s separatist movement for the clinically insane. Choose to say they’re all at it so let’s not hold them to account. Choose to bang on about Jeremy Corbyn even though he’s been on a life support machine for two years, existing only in the minds of Conservative voters like an anti-Golem.
Choose to vow not to make the same mistake again…then make the same mistake again when the Daily Mail tells you too.
Choose to hack phones. Choose to vote Jacob Rees-Mogg as your MP, fúckin, Adolf Shïtler with a knocked up and knocked about au pair. Choose the UK’s official human rights partner, the Public Fùckin Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia. Choose to accept cash in grubby fückin Slazenger holdalls from PIF in exchange for steady awaying the sportswashing acquisition of a deluded North East football club.
Choose to be on the wrong side of history. Choose to screw over the next generation, the one after that and, aye, the next one too just to make sure their hopes are truly fûcked.
Choose to cut nurses’ pay, choose to cut nurses, cut up the nurses into Sports Direct bags and re-employ the cute nurses on zero hour contracts with hems as short as a Tory voters memory. Choose to clap for carers. Choose to clap for careers. Choose to clap for your right to work harder, longer, less productively for the 1%. Choose sinks for the lady referees and for smuggling the kitchen sink into Blundell Park up your lady parts. Choose to have no appetite for speed restrictions along Humberston Road. Choose to send half of our weapons to Ukraine and the other half to Yemen to deflect from your lack of ability to govern the country or the economy. Choose a job. Lose a job. Get on your bike for a job. Lose that job when the company you work for has lost its export trade due to Brexit. Choose to promote growth in the EU by forcing the fücking extinction bothering, decaying carcass of the UK manufacturing industry to set up subsidiaries in Ireland to be able to continue to sell to your largest, neighbourly trading partner. Choose to do the IRA’s work in 6 years and then claim all of your political rivals are pro-IRA, pro-Putin and pro-Boko Haram. Choose to steal £200k of shares. Choose to threaten to shut down a football forum. Choose to try to sell said football club to a fūckin convicted fraudster. Choose to get things done and then blame the whole sorry mess on someone else. Choose to fill the putrid, gaping hole in the economy by selling single-sex portaloos to Panama, choose Carrie’s stylist as the successful tender and pump the profits into a Panamanian parent company. Choose to spûnk millions on track and trace, then use the tech to track Tracy and deport her to Timbuktu for protesting against Government corruption. Choose to be a shägger. Choose to tuck everyone’s shirts in, even when they’re already tucked into your trousers like a free bar at Number 10. Choose to vote for MPs who hate this country, then claim everyone else hates this country more. Choose to hide in a fridge. Choose to have an illegal lockdown party, pose for pictures taken by a tax payer funded photographer and then choose to deny all knowledge of the event when the images surface. Choose to break the education system to reap the next generation of gullible voters. Choose to break the health system so you can privatise it and sell it to the highest bidder who just happens to be your sister’s fookin brother. Choose not to import two thirds of all of our apples, import nine tenths of all of our pears and import two thirds of our cheese. Choose not to pick the apples and pears and leave them rotting in the earth like a metaphor for the disenfranchised youth. Choose not to export the cheese because it’s become too expensive to export (which is quite frankly a fookin’ disgrace). Choose to blame it on the people who didn’t vote for it. Choose to think Sunak or the next chancer will be any different. Choose to dilute the ministerial code, choose to lose one Ethics Advisor and choose to lose the next one for good measure. Choose to be a pathological liar. Choose an old school tie and the power vested in you by the ability to twist a neat Windsor knot. Choose to believe there’s nothing else. Choose to want what Murdoch wants because he’s Australian and we love Australians because they always have our best interests at heart and they don’t eat garlic.
Choose to tax the childless, whether they can afford kids or not. Choose to harvest the wombs and testicles of those that can’t have children, sell them to China as aphrodisiacs and then buy them back for more money. Tax the childless again to fund the deficit. Rinse. Repeat. But with higher rates of interest and a funky presentation on Rishi’s Instagram story.
Choose trading children’s futures for trading futures.
Choose to level up by shoving a sherry soaked beer mat under a wonky Wetherspoons table and expect the poor, ungrateful Northern bästards to be appreciative of the token gesture.
Choose your future. Choose life…
But why would I want to do a thing like that?
I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin’ else.
And the reasons? There are no reasons.
Who needs reasons when you can vote Conservative’.
x
Vey clever knotty must admit enjoyed that… have a green tick😄 How about an (unbiased) Labour one from you, might even do one myself now I’m bedridden😩
One thing for sure is that it doesn’t matter who we vote, the future is bleak whilst under the influence of the WEF☹️
Vey clever knotty must admit enjoyed that… have a green tick😄 How about an (unbiased) Labour one from you, might even do one myself now I’m bedridden😩
One thing for sure is that it doesn’t matter who we vote, the future is bleak whilst under the influence of the WEF☹️
No offence, but you aren’t capable of that kind of insight and writing (to say nothing of the grasp of facts and objective reality) on any level. What would you write about Labour, given that they’ve not been in power for 12 years? If you can’t contest the facts that KAF shared in that brilliant post, why would you wish Johnson to remain in his post, ‘for the love of god’ ?!?
Oh, and you’ve no idea what ‘woke’ is (because it doesn’t actually mean anything - much the same as ‘levelling up’). It’s just some reactionary cobblers spouted by the likes of Rod Liddle and Piers Morgan, that they can’t actually explain, but is designed to provoke people like you into ‘feeling’ and not ‘thinking’. This keeps you looking the other way whilst this lot trash the country.
He didn’t know how important the Calais-Dover crossing was to UK trade.
He thought a man could be a victim of misogyny.
On live TV he accidentally admitted there were parties at 10 Downing Street before desperately trying to backtrack.
He’s a moron.
He’s like Jacob Rees Mogg - his verbal articulacy conceals his utter lack of understanding of socio-economics.
Remember - Raab said he doesn’t believe in the human rights act, he doesn’t believe in ‘economic rights’ and that people using food banks had a ‘cash flow problem’.
No offence, but you aren’t capable of that kind of insight and writing (to say nothing of the grasp of facts and objective reality) on any level. What would you write about Labour, given that they’ve not been in power for 12 years? If you can’t contest the facts that KAF shared in that brilliant post, why would you wish Johnson to remain in his post, ‘for the love of god’ ?!?
Oh, and you’ve no idea what ‘woke’ is (because it doesn’t actually mean anything - much the same as ‘levelling up’). It’s just some reactionary cobblers spouted by the likes of Rod Liddle and Piers Morgan, that they can’t actually explain, but is designed to provoke people like you into ‘feeling’ and not ‘thinking’. This keeps you looking the other way whilst this lot trash the country.
There’s a reason why Labour haven’t been in power for 12 years! Labour would have had us in lockdown akin to that mad totalitarian NZ leader, Furlough would still be being dished no doubt, illegal invaders would be welcomed, whatever the cost of all this is now you could easily treble it and they would blame Russia😂😂😂
Not being funny but if you think Raab has the IQ of a biscuit, then what must you think of the shadow deputy? And be honest in your reply.
He thought taking the knee originated on the Game OF Thrones.
Doesn't know the difference between the Red Sea and the Irish Sea.
I could find dozens of examples of Dominic Raab being a total moron but you can find those yourself. He's one of those people who speaks fluently, but says nothing of any substance. Neither does he have any grasp of the subjects he talks about. He's a clone sent out to be be Bojo's night watchman to use a cricketing term.
Raab is a man who has had every advantage in life and been promoted far beyond his capabilities and he isn't the only one.
The fact that Angela Rayner is female and went to a comprehensive school, which she left at 16, pregnant and with no qualifications, tells me that she has had a much harder path than Raab to get to where she has got. She has had no old boys network to call on and I would think she got there on merit. She's no Einstein, but stupid she isn't.
He thought taking the knee originated on the Game OF Thrones.
Doesn't know the difference between the Red Sea and the Irish Sea.
I could find dozens of examples of Dominic Raab being a total moron but you can find those yourself. He's one of those people who speaks fluently, but says nothing of any substance. Neither does he have any grasp of the subjects he talks about. He's a clone sent out to be be Bojo's night watchman to use a cricketing term.
Raab is a man who has had every advantage in life and been promoted far beyond his capabilities and he isn't the only one.
The fact that Angela Rayner is female and went to a comprehensive school, which she left at 16, pregnant and with no qualifications, tells me that she has had a much harder path than Raab to get to where she has got. She has had no old boys network to call on and I would think she got there on merit. She's no Einstein, but stupid she isn't.
Get on YouTube Raab v Rayner House of Commons he tears he consistently into bits, I actually feel a bit sorry for her. She’s as thick as mince meat and it’s cruel to put her up on the dispatch box, which probably says more about the party, but then before her we had the mighty intellectual Abbot, so at least she’s a small improvement 😂
Get on YouTube Raab v Rayner House of Commons he tears he consistently into bits, I actually feel a bit sorry for her. She’s as thick as mince meat and it’s cruel to put her up on the dispatch box, which probably says more about the party, but then before her we had the mighty intellectual Abbot, so at least she’s a small improvement 😂
ah the interaction in which he creepily winks at her
He’s like Jacob Rees Mogg - his verbal articulacy conceals his utter lack of understanding of socio-economics.
Remember - Raab said he doesn’t believe in the human rights act, he doesn’t believe in ‘economic rights’ and that people using food banks had a ‘cash flow problem’.
I disagree. Rees-Mogg knows he’s an idiot. Raab hasn’t got a clue.
"Following a wave of resignations and drama unfolding for not just the PM, but the Conservative party as a whole, Grimsby MP Lia Nici has continued her unwavering support for the PM in an interview with BBC Sounds today.
The Grimsby MP was also seen during Armed Forces Weekend and claimed overwhelming support for the PM from locals.
“I continue to support him. I don’t believe anyone else can lead the Conservative party,” she said in her interview with BBC Sounds.
“We are hanging in the balance, I will continue to support him, my ultimate aim is to make sure Grimsby can benefit from voting Conservative. No other leader other than PM will have Grimsby in their interest,” she added."
Johnson or nothing for Grimsby eh?
"Lovelly stuff! not my words but the words of Shakin Stevens."
The 1922 committee can change the rules and this would allow another vote. Whether they could force it through before the summer recess remains to be seen. Does Johnson's parliamentary pension increase the longer he is in power? Could be one reason why he's digging in his heels even now.
You wouldn't expect he'll be able to rake it in as easily as past Prime Ministers (board memberships and the like gifted to them by grateful industries), because he's surely a busted flush by now?
36 rats jumping the sinking ship, but I wonder how many would have done it 2 days or more ago! None of them deserves to be in a position of power again.
Looking after themselves and not the public which they are paid to do.
You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
The 1922 committee can change the rules and this would allow another vote. Whether they could force it through before the summer recess remains to be seen. Does Johnson's parliamentary pension increase the longer he is in power? Could be one reason why he's digging in his heels even now.
You wouldn't expect he'll be able to rake it in as easily as past Prime Ministers (board memberships and the like gifted to them by grateful industries), because he's surely a busted flush by now?
He’s doled out enough contracts, lordships and knighthoods, he will never be poor
If you care to read my posts I am neither Red od Blue and feel let down by all of them. The trouble these days is that we have a generation of career politicians and none that feel they have a calling to serve the public.
I always vote but I really don't know who for next, I'm leaning towards Labour again but wonder what the outcome beergate & Starmer will be!
You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
Looking at your voting record, maybe you’d be best advised to abstain in the next GE, considering you’ve voted to absolutely fúck the country and it’s inhabitants (and even those as far away as Iraq) for nigh on 40 years.
Looking at your voting record, maybe you’d be best advised to abstain in the next GE, considering you’ve voted to absolutely fúck the country and it’s inhabitants (and even those as far away as Iraq) for nigh on 40 years.
So what is your voting record for the last 40 years?
You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
Looking at your voting record, maybe you’d be best advised to abstain in the next GE, considering you’ve voted to absolutely fúck the country and it’s inhabitants (and even those as far away as Iraq) for nigh on 40 years.
Thinking about your above comment, and the fact that I have voted for both Labour and Tory and you say my votes have f ck the country, I presume you must be either voting for the LibDems or the Screaming Lord Sutch Party.
You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
He’s got enough hardware in the Baltic region and Romania to start World War III tonight. It’s actually quite worrying that he’s not been forcibly removed yet.
Thinking about your above comment, and the fact that I have voted for both Labour and Tory and you say my votes have f ck the country, I presume you must be either voting for the LibDems or the Screaming Lord Sutch Party.
Come on Scar don’t go into hiding again DB was nice enough to answer you, let’s see your voting record🧐
It’s absolutely surreal. What a disgrace that’s been inflicted on our proud British democracy. And so many of us knew this would happen when this narcissist was inflicted upon us. This man is putting himself before his party and his country. That tells you all you need to know. Absolutely no honour, and this is not much better than a despotic siege, by a thoroughly unpleasant and morally vacuous , corrupt liar.
Come on Scar don’t go into hiding again DB was nice enough to answer you, let’s see your voting record🧐
2010 - abstained, no pro-austerity party gets my vote 2015 - chaos with Ed Miliband 2017 - National Investment Fund & renationalisation of water, rail & mail 2019 - National Care Service, end homelessness & green industrial revolution
I’ll be able to look my kids in the face and say I did the right thing. Voting for this mob should haunt people to the grave.
Agree Ska. Best you can say, is that people were connoted and we should show some compassion for them, but anyone who now wants to attempt some sort of defence of this appalling Tory ransacking…..well, they’re clearly sick.
2001 Blair 2005 Blair 2010 Lib Dems 2015 Labour 2017 Held my nose and voted for Corbyn’s Labour 2019 intended to vote Green but in the voting booth I voted Labour as an Anti-Boris vote to reduce his popular vote majority by 1.
2010 - abstained, no pro-austerity party gets my vote 2015 - chaos with Ed Miliband 2017 - National Investment Fund & renationalisation of water, rail & mail 2019 - National Care Service, end homelessness & green industrial revolution
I’ll be able to look my kids in the face and say I did the right thing. Voting for this mob should haunt people to the grave.
So you said of me "Looking at your voting record, maybe you’d be best advised to abstain in the next GE, considering you’ve voted to absolutely fúck the country and it’s inhabitants (and even those as far away as Iraq) for nigh on 40 years."
I choose to vote at every GE because history tells me that ordinary people fought and, some died so that we peasants can have a choice at a general election. To me not voting as you did in 2010 disrespects those people and also means that for 5 years you had no right to complain, as you abused your option to vote.
You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
Surely people died so we have the right to choose? They didn’t die so we then had to vote?
I always remember a very elderly relatively short lost brothers in the war that my right to choose was what mattered, and to stand up and make sure I was proud of my decisions. If that meant not voting at all because neither option was any good then so be it.
I think a more interesting view is looking in to the voting records of those who’ve resigned. They’ve all quoted integrity and ethos yet none of the have any…
'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
The new Tory leader will inherit everything the Tories have done over the past 12 years. Shitshow after shitshow, so I'd hope that any attempt to pretend there is some sort of a reset and a new leaf has been turned will be laughed away. Of course, you can guarantee that the right-wing media barons will be as devious and dishonest in support as always so no doubt a lot of the electorate will continue to be hoodwinked. They'll try to blame everything that has gone wrong on Johnson though his enablers are still running the party.
All the candidates for Tory leadership are remarkably untalented politicians or have records which ought to prove they simply aren't capable. Unfortunately, Starmer is an untalented politician as well and I wouldn't trust him any more than any of the Tories at present. I still hope for a hung parliament next time around and a proper go at electoral reform so we can join the grown ups in other countries with a representative electoral system.
I live in Clee and sincerely hope that the stuffed shirt that is Martin Vickers is booted out at the next election. If that means voting LibDem, I'll just have to pinch my nose and go that way this time, even though they are barely to the left of the Tories.
Even if we managed to get PR implemented, it will take some years for the many rotten apples in all parties to be shaken out of the system. No doubt, more will appear, but hopefully not to the same degree.
Bad news for Labour if Boris does go and it's looking like he will now.
The new Tory leader won't be carrying any of Boris's baggage.
They will pretend they haven’t backed him time and time again, even though all of them knew what Johnson was like. But as you say bad news for Labour, the Tory press will conveniently forget how they have backed Johnson. Whoever does replace him will get a bounce of relief in the polls. However the country is in a dire situation, high inflation, rising interest rates and fuel and food prices, the NHS has massive waiting lists again. Strikes looking likely across a lot of industries, a potential labour shortage and the fallout from Johnson’s crappy Oven ready Brexit. The National debt is massive, nearly three times it was in 2010 and a much higher percentage of GDP Whoever comes in will have the baggage of 12 years of Tory government in which loads of people especially in the public services have got relatively poorer and poorer, and watching this shitshow shows what a shower this lot are,
Surely people died so we have the right to choose? They didn’t die so we then had to vote?
I always remember a very elderly relatively short lost brothers in the war that my right to choose was what mattered, and to stand up and make sure I was proud of my decisions. If that meant not voting at all because neither option was any good then so be it.
I think a more interesting view is looking in to the voting records of those who’ve resigned. They’ve all quoted integrity and ethos yet none of the have any…
I tend to agree with this, but if nobody votes then who governs?
You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
So you said of me "Looking at your voting record, maybe you’d be best advised to abstain in the next GE, considering you’ve voted to absolutely fúck the country and it’s inhabitants (and even those as far away as Iraq) for nigh on 40 years."
I choose to vote at every GE because history tells me that ordinary people fought and, some died so that we peasants can have a choice at a general election. To me not voting as you did in 2010 disrespects those people and also means that for 5 years you had no right to complain, as you abused your option to vote.
Nobody died to give me the choice of making poor people destitute or…making them even more destitute, whilst letting bankers walk off with billions.
Refer to yourself as a peasant all you like, not me though.
Nobody died to give me the choice of making poor people destitute or…making them even more destitute, whilst letting bankers walk off with billions.
Refer to yourself as a peasant all you like, not me though.
DB doesn’t even realise he’s been brainwashed. He’s being a good “peasant” and keeping in his lane and offering deference and doffing his cap to his betters (Boris, Rees-Mogg and Co).
How does All Things Bright and Beautiful go? “The rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate.”
He’s just been a good poor man and standing by the gate and offering scorn on anyone who thinks “f*** that” and is kicking the gate down.
So, Johnson is going to resign after he's spent the summer tossing it off at Chequers. Yeah, that's great. If my calculations are correct, he'll also be paid roughly 15 grand extra (over the salary of a regular MP) whilst tossing it off at Chequers over the next couple of months as well. Nice 'work' if you can get it.
Even when the useless tub of lard finally does the right thing, he's still finding a way to take the urine.
My money is on Jeremy Hunt. Got out before the pandemic, has kept away from government since then so isn't tarred with the chaos from recent years and always appears reasonable (if a bit creepy). Another privately-educated Oxford PPE-er from the establishment, of course, but that's the state of things at present.
He would probably be more risky to the NHS even than Johnson and his cronies as he was working towards privatisation during his long stint as Health Minister, but he sounds more reasonable than the others.
Front-runners are likely to be:
Hunt: creepy Sunak: oily Javid: wooden Truss: by God, she's dim
I suppose it depends on whichever candidate appeals most to the decrepitude of the ever-diminishing Tory party membership. Oh, also which dodgy donors spunk a load of money to fund their preferred candidate.
So you said of me "Looking at your voting record, maybe you’d be best advised to abstain in the next GE, considering you’ve voted to absolutely fúck the country and it’s inhabitants (and even those as far away as Iraq) for nigh on 40 years."
I choose to vote at every GE because history tells me that ordinary people fought and, some died so that we peasants can have a choice at a general election. To me not voting as you did in 2010 disrespects those people and also means that for 5 years you had no right to complain, as you abused your option to vote.
What an extraordinary view to hold. No wonder you'll vote for the Tories who look on the rest of the population with disdain if you also view yourself that way. Wealth and a private education doesn't give anyone a right to rule.
2010 - abstained, no pro-austerity party gets my vote 2015 - chaos with Ed Miliband 2017 - National Investment Fund & renationalisation of water, rail & mail 2019 - National Care Service, end homelessness & green industrial revolution
I’ll be able to look my kids in the face and say I did the right thing. Voting for this mob should haunt people to the grave.
So you’ve only been voting for 12 years? I had you down for being a lot older than that to be honest, but would go some way to explain your urban guerrilla front. I’l take a stab possible graduate brainwashed by our education system and now now bitter because stuck in a monotonous excrement payed job and unlikely to ever pay that student loan off. And you blame it all on those nasty Tories because that is what your teachers told you🤔
So you wasted your vote in 2010 good start….. power to the people 👊 2015 you went for a highly privileged millionaire champagne socalist😀 2017 and 2019 I don’t recall seeing any of these on the ballot paper so I will assume it was the the Corbo and Abbott freak show but you’re to embarrassed to say.
Perhaps the worst ever Attorney General who would struggle to get a job at any half decent law firm. I nearly choked when I heard she was putting herself forward. A big Johnson backer quite happy to overlook any laws or conventions he broke or any lack of morality if helps her party covering up Tory misdemeanours
The new Tory leader will inherit everything the Tories have done over the past 12 years. Shitshow after shitshow, so I'd hope that any attempt to pretend there is some sort of a reset and a new leaf has been turned will be laughed away. Of course, you can guarantee that the right-wing media barons will be as devious and dishonest in support as always so no doubt a lot of the electorate will continue to be hoodwinked. They'll try to blame everything that has gone wrong on Johnson though his enablers are still running the party.
All the candidates for Tory leadership are remarkably untalented politicians or have records which ought to prove they simply aren't capable. Unfortunately, Starmer is an untalented politician as well and I wouldn't trust him any more than any of the Tories at present. I still hope for a hung parliament next time around and a proper go at electoral reform so we can join the grown ups in other countries with a representative electoral system.
I live in Clee and sincerely hope that the stuffed shirt that is Martin Vickers is booted out at the next election. If that means voting LibDem, I'll just have to pinch my nose and go that way this time, even though they are barely to the left of the Tories.
Even if we managed to get PR implemented, it will take some years for the many rotten apples in all parties to be shaken out of the system. No doubt, more will appear, but hopefully not to the same degree.
I’m all for a change in the way we vote it’s beyond a joke now that we only ever get a Tory or Labour Party, nothing will ever change two cheeks of the same bottom.
They will pretend they haven’t backed him time and time again, even though all of them knew what Johnson was like. But as you say bad news for Labour, the Tory press will conveniently forget how they have backed Johnson. Whoever does replace him will get a bounce of relief in the polls. However the country is in a dire situation, high inflation, rising interest rates and fuel and food prices, the NHS has massive waiting lists again. Strikes looking likely across a lot of industries, a potential labour shortage and the fallout from Johnson’s crappy Oven ready Brexit. The National debt is massive, nearly three times it was in 2010 and a much higher percentage of GDP Whoever comes in will have the baggage of 12 years of Tory government in which loads of people especially in the public services have got relatively poorer and poorer, and watching this shitshow shows what a shower this lot are,
I guess the majority on here will be hoping for a remainer then because this would be political suicide for the party.
My money is on Jeremy Hunt. Got out before the pandemic, has kept away from government since then so isn't tarred with the chaos from recent years and always appears reasonable (if a bit creepy). Another privately-educated Oxford PPE-er from the establishment, of course, but that's the state of things at present.
He would probably be more risky to the NHS even than Johnson and his cronies as he was working towards privatisation during his long stint as Health Minister, but he sounds more reasonable than the others.
Front-runners are likely to be:
Hunt: creepy Sunak: oily Javid: wooden Truss: by God, she's dim
I suppose it depends on whichever candidate appeals most to the decrepitude of the ever-diminishing Tory party membership. Oh, also which dodgy donors spunk a load of money to fund their preferred candidate.
Surprised that you have missed Penny Mordaunt surely she’s got to be in with a shout?
Been away for a bit on the fishy due to personal reasons which I cant go into but I know Ive been laughed a bit by some on here(albeit minority) due to my religious views which is a shame as I can rip into anybody if I wanted and put them right down as we all have weakness but I choose not to as I feel constructive criticism and dialogue is the way to go.
I actually have a bit of respect for Humbercod though as at least he has the balls to go against the grain eg to many lefty's on the fishy. Politically left or right noone can get it spot on though I feel.
On a wider note after being on the left side of the political spectrum and also the right Iam neither none now but right down the middle. Likewise my religious views have changed as well. Ive tried to look at things from a open deeper perspective and feel the Native American Indians had it spot on eg try to live in harmony with nature. I note David Attenborough the nature television presenter says the same eg ultimately we are here to carry on the human population and live in harmony with nature.
Been a way for a bit on the fishy due to personal reasons which I cant go into but I know Ive been laughed a bit by some on here(albeit minority) due to my religious views which is a shame as I can rip into anybody if I wanted and put them right down as we all have weakness but I choose not to as I feel constructive criticism and dialogue is the way to go.
I actually have a bit of respect for Humbercod though as at least he has the balls to go against the grain eg to may lefty's on the fishy. Politically left or right noone can get it spot on though I feel.
On a wider note after being on the left side of the political spectrum and also the right Iam neither none now but right down the middle. Likewise my religious views have changed as well. Ive tried to look at things from a open deeper perspective and feel the Native American Indians had it spot on eg try to live in harmony with nature. I note David Attenborough the nature television presenter says the same eg ultimately we are here to carry on the human population and live in harmony with nature.
Genuine Question.. who would you call as a centre politician?
Genuine Question.. who would you call as a centre politician?
Good question Codcheeky. I have liked politicians on all sides of the divides recently eg Theresa May and Keir Starmer . Its a tough one as whoever gets in power can never get it spot on. Its the one for me that trys to push hard work, ability and good moral character . Hence were not all going to be doctors and lawyers. I have as much respect for the guy thats a road sweeper and empty's our bins(honest living and pays their taxes). Ultimately variety is necessary as you know for society to function.
So you’ve only been voting for 12 years? I had you down for being a lot older than that to be honest, but would go some way to explain your urban guerrilla front. I’l take a stab possible graduate brainwashed by our education system and now now bitter because stuck in a monotonous excrement payed job and unlikely to ever pay that student loan off. And you blame it all on those nasty Tories because that is what your teachers told you🤔
So you wasted your vote in 2010 good start….. power to the people 👊 2015 you went for a highly privileged millionaire champagne socalist😀 2017 and 2019 I don’t recall seeing any of these on the ballot paper so I will assume it was the the Corbo and Abbott freak show but you’re to embarrassed to say.
Right-wing thinking has been dominant in British politics for so long now that the Overton window has been dragged far to the right. 'Centre' now means something around where Thatcher was back in the 1980s and both the LibDems and (New) Labour are in that sphere. The right-wing dominated media have been instrumental in this push, of course and they'll do their best to keep things that way. Their billionaire owners have got vastly wealthier by ensuring this.
As I frequently mentioned during the past couple of elections, Corbyn was a moderate social democrat, most of whose policies wouldn't have been out of place in a Tory Party manifesto from the 1970s. All would have been entirely acceptable in most of Western Europe where social democracy is still very much in place. However, the Overton window has been pushed so far to the right that sensible policies which most of the electorate agree with were portrayed as looney left-wing stuff by the media.
We desperately need to get the Overton window dragged leftwards because, if it continues to drift further to the right, we're only headed in one direction and it's not towards Socialism, however the likes of Humbo may delude themselves.
Read through Umberto Eco's list of common features of fascism and consider how many apply now within our country which didn't necessarily do so a decade ago:
Right-wing thinking has been dominant in British politics for so long now that the Overton window has been dragged far to the right. 'Centre' now means something around where Thatcher was back in the 1980s and both the LibDems and (New) Labour are in that sphere. The right-wing dominated media have been instrumental in this push, of course and they'll do their best to keep things that way. Their billionaire owners have got vastly wealthier by ensuring this.
As I frequently mentioned during the past couple of elections, Corbyn was a moderate social democrat, most of whose policies wouldn't have been out of place in a Tory Party manifesto from the 1970s. All would have been entirely acceptable in most of Western Europe where social democracy is still very much in place. However, the Overton window has been pushed so far to the right that sensible policies which most of the electorate agree with were portrayed as looney left-wing stuff by the media.
We desperately need to get the Overton window dragged leftwards because, if it continues to drift further to the right, we're only headed in one direction and it's not towards Socialism, however the likes of Humbo may delude themselves.
Read through Umberto Eco's list of common features of fascism and consider how many apply now within our country which didn't necessarily do so a decade ago:
Spot on. There was a hilarious study where people were asked if they agreed with Corbyn's policies in isolation without being told that they were Corbyn policies. Virtually all of them had a large majority agree with them (think it was around 75% agreed with nationalising the railway). But so many of the sheep in society are convinced by the right wing media that anyone wanting to implement these sort of policies that would improve the lives of all of us is virtually a Bolshevik hell bent on turning us into the Soviet Union. The irony of Johnson et al. being in the pocket of all the Russian oligarchs is equally funny but there are none so blind as those that won't see.
Been a way for a bit on the fishy due to personal reasons which I cant go into but I know Ive been laughed a bit by some on here(albeit minority) due to my religious views which is a shame as I can rip into anybody if I wanted and put them right down as we all have weakness but I choose not to as I feel constructive criticism and dialogue is the way to go.
I actually have a bit of respect for Humbercod though as at least he has the balls to go against the grain eg to many lefty's on the fishy. Politically left or right noone can get it spot on though I feel.
On a wider note after being on the left side of the political spectrum and also the right Iam neither none now but right down the middle. Likewise my religious views have changed as well. Ive tried to look at things from a open deeper perspective and feel the Native American Indians had it spot on eg try to live in harmony with nature. I note David Attenborough the nature television presenter says the same eg ultimately we are here to carry on the human population and live in harmony with nature.
DB doesn’t even realise he’s been brainwashed. He’s being a good “peasant” and keeping in his lane and offering deference and doffing his cap to his betters (Boris, Rees-Mogg and Co).
How does All Things Bright and Beautiful go? “The rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate.”
He’s just been a good poor man and standing by the gate and offering scorn on anyone who thinks “f*** that” and is kicking the gate down.
A strange opinion of me as I never joined any political party. All I've seen in the last few decades is Tory sleaze and Labour's lies. My problem has been trying to find some truth in what the politicians say and Boris certainly conned me and many others.
You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
What an extraordinary view to hold. No wonder you'll vote for the Tories who look on the rest of the population with disdain if you also view yourself that way. Wealth and a private education doesn't give anyone a right to rule.
I'm not wealthy and certainly had no private education, but I did vote and defend Harold Wilson. I also voted for Tony Blair so perhaps some of my views are the same as yours.
You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
Been a way for a bit on the fishy due to personal reasons which I cant go into but I know Ive been laughed a bit by some on here(albeit minority) due to my religious views which is a shame as I can rip into anybody if I wanted and put them right down as we all have weakness but I choose not to as I feel constructive criticism and dialogue is the way to go.
I actually have a bit of respect for Humbercod though as at least he has the balls to go against the grain eg to many lefty's on the fishy. Politically left or right noone can get it spot on though I feel.
On a wider note after being on the left side of the political spectrum and also the right Iam neither none now but right down the middle. Likewise my religious views have changed as well. Ive tried to look at things from a open deeper perspective and feel the Native American Indians had it spot on eg try to live in harmony with nature. I note David Attenborough the nature television presenter says the same eg ultimately we are here to carry on the human population and live in harmony with nature.
Welcome back.
You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
I suppose it was too much to expect an actual apology for the long list of disgraceful behaviour that has led to him being forced out. Maybe an ounce of contrition or even respect for the role he has debased would have been nice. But no. He’s the victim in all of this and he’s been treated unfairly apparently. Absolute maggot.
I suppose it was too much to expect an actual apology for the long list of disgraceful behaviour that has led to him being forced out. Maybe an ounce of contrition or even respect for the role he has debased would have been nice. But no. He’s the victim in all of this and he’s been treated unfairly apparently. Absolute maggot.
Exactly the speech i expected from him, playing the victim whilst his clingers on ie Dorries stand there applauding him as though he's the saviour
I suppose it was too much to expect an actual apology for the long list of disgraceful behaviour that has led to him being forced out. Maybe an ounce of contrition or even respect for the role he has debased would have been nice. But no. He’s the victim in all of this and he’s been treated unfairly apparently. Absolute maggot.
Wouldn’t be surprised if we got May back in as a temporary PM
With an 8 and 11 year old at school I’m well aware what the teach in school. The last complaint I made was when my eldest came home from school talking about the hero called George Floyd! Full apology from the school was accepted.
I'm not wealthy and certainly had no private education, but I did vote and defend Harold Wilson. I also voted for Tony Blair so perhaps some of my views are the same as yours.
I don't view myself as a peasant. And I certainly don't view Boris Johnson, Rishi Sunak and the rest of the privately educated as being my superiors.
Wow what a 🤡 Don’t need anything from the state thanks, raise my kids to be free from the nanny state, free to question, critical thinking yes critical race theory no. Nice and kind to others yes, hate and bitterness no.
A strange opinion of me as I never joined any political party. All I've seen in the last few decades is Tory sleaze and Labour's lies. My problem has been trying to find some truth in what the politicians say and Boris certainly conned me and many others.
Did you vote for Boris because you believed what he was telling you, or did you vote for him, like many did, because he wasn't Jeremy Corbyn?
With an 8 and 11 year old at school I’m well aware what the teach in school. The last complaint I made was when my eldest came home from school talking about the hero called George Floyd! Full apology from the school was accepted.
I never lie…. Investigation blamed a fellow student raising the subject in the lesson! The criminal was never the lesson subject I was unconvincingly informed.
Did you vote for Boris because you believed what he was telling you, or did you vote for him, like many did, because he wasn't Jeremy Corbyn?
Maybe a bit of both?
Neither, he was the only one who said he would deliver Brexit. He lied.
Incidentally, I have already said I'm leaning towards voting labour again so I would have thought you would be welcoming me with open arms and less hostility.
You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
You voting for Labour is hardly a ringing endorsement and it’s tragic that you want a pat on the back for considering it. If anything it’s a sign that their bland, empty, policy-free agenda is appealing to those with essentially zero skin in the game, and who offer no hope of ever making the positive change that millions in this country need.
Well, he did 'deliver' Brexit. It was just about the most stupid, poorly-thought-out way of carrying out Brexit, but it was Brexit nonetheless. Johnson was never a 'details' man so it's not surprising that he got cretins (the two Davids) to negotiate something which sounds simple but is difficult to implement and then made no attempt to implement our side of the deal in any case. In Johnson's mind, it was always going to be something which others were left to deal with. Just the way he's operated during his entire political career.
Neither, he was the only one who said he would deliver Brexit. He lied.
Incidentally, I have already said I'm leaning towards voting labour again so I would have thought you would be welcoming me with open arms and less hostility.
What hostility?
I'm just interested in the reasons why people voted for him. Some say it was because he wasn't Jeremy Corbyn and some, like yourself, say it was because he would deliver Brexit.
I'd also be interested to know why you think he has lied, because according to him, he got Brexit done.
Appreciate the post Maringer 👍.Having said that I be interested to hear your view on the following answer about problems with left wing ideology written by a graduate. For the record there are problems with the right though as well.Iam just playing devils advocate:
"In my opinion it is Murphy’s Golden Rule—whoever has the gold makes the rules. The vast majority of people are dependent on the whims and good judgement of a minority that owns most of the world’s wealth, and those people did not get there because they were smarter or more energetic and diligent than the majority—they got there because the free market system has some very powerful mechanisms tending to concentrate wealth. One of these is that organized mass work is more productive than individual piecework, so whoever can manage an organized workplace and control it flexibly in response to opportunities and market constraints will be able to undersell a bunch of independent craft workers. Humanity is on the average better off, as we control more material power collectively and there are more material goods available divided by the number of people—that’s improved productivity! But by far the easiest way to get this kind of workplace organization is to have people who are compelled by circumstances to take orders for low pay and be subject to the fear of being arbitrarily fired. The alternative would be for workers to band together and set up organization they voluntarily agree to, and then outcompete the capitalists. But this is tricky to do, and very much against the interest of the highly empowered wealthy minority.
And of course the social systems did not spring up out of the Earth and then people sat down and carefully thought out how the world should be run either. It evolved over thousands of years since the invention of agriculture—before that we were living essentially as our prehuman ancestors did. So, initially, productivity gains were very marginal, and only a small proportion of the people could live better than hand to mouth. (It wasn’t so bad in gatherer-hunter days, but that is because they had very low populations. Agriculture causes populations to soar and then the Mathusian horrors come into play). Thus we have thousands of years of ideology and practices built on extremely hierarchal and generally oppressively exploitive models. In this context the free market that gradually evolved to take over the majority of economic activity seems downright liberating; much of the sincerity of liberal thought that defends inequality as essential derives from the apparent freedom of anyone to prosper independently of the good or ill will of others the market appears to offer. A lot of optimism rests on that.
But as individual bands of people who were not so well off proposed to find other ways than submitting their lives to a handful of rich people, the governing and social systems generally reacted violently to make sure there would be no threat of a good example anywhere to inspire others to try it, and that people no matter how miserably off would understand they still had something to lose if they did not play by rules rigged against them. Rigged I say, but not by some wicked conspiracy; rather by the ruthless logic of thousands of years of evolving civilization.
Alexis de Tocqueville, who was no radical leftist even by the standards of his own day, wrote that revolutions occur when people see the opportunity to resolve their problems in one bold step. Conservative governance, including the cultural influence of people established in a better off position than others at all levels of society, is dedicated to making sure that day of clear vision of one bold step never appears.
Therefore the majority of people understand that it is dangerous and risky to push things too far, and prudently try to make their peace with the powers that be. This is the essence of conservatism, to try to justify the necessary compromises and imbue them with as much moral righteousness as possible. There are many branches to this and one of them is to villify people who rock the boat and suggest things could be better for everyone if organized otherwise. And to preemptively prove that all alternatives would be scary and bad.
Now in this context, and given that providing alternatives to capitalist greed for organizing superior production and sharing it more fairly is not an easy thing to do, in the real world progressive revolutionaries have often done some pretty terrible things themselves; there is no propaganda against something more effective than charges that are true. Here in the United States for instance, the criminalization of free thought on the possibilities of human society is so pervasive that no politician can venture far from the defense of the interests of the propertied as their first priority. Thus the Democratic political candidates offer rather weak sauce solutions to the problems of the majority, and are little different from the more forthrightly propertarian and elitist Republicans. Indeed the Republicans get moral points for being consistent and stalwart in their oligarchic notions; Democrats are easily smeared as two-faced and weak. This is certainly despicable insofar as it is true—from my view conservatives tend to be even more hypocritical but are rarely called on it and ideologically dismiss anyone who makes the call as extremist and crazy.
By the way, it doesn’t seem to me that everyone in the world despises the Left equally. I notice that about 75 percent or more of all the political parties in the Brazilian legislature at least claim to be socialist. So there are fashions that come and go—it was never OK to ruling majorities in the USA to claim the socialist label but in the past a whole lot of people cheered for maxims and slogans and even real policies that were believed to set the democratic power of the majority against the entrenched power of wealth. I suspect that far more people than is generally realized have some sneaking respect for bold revolutionaries, even if they must agree that they are too dangerous to be left running loose—only a relative few are completely smug in their self-interested hatred for them. But the way to get along is to go along and few people are willing to risk sticking their necks out for anything that is not a sure thing. Most progress comes from people who have spent their lives being sensible and deferent but find that some particular outrage is just one more bridge too far for them to stomach, and they make a stand. Then others are inspired or shamed to back them and sometimes it turns out there is great big mob of people who just aren’t going to take one outrage or another too far.
Those of us who do not hate the Left regard that aspect of the human spirit as properly our business and our guide, and the foundation of democracy and human decency. I for one think it is also quite consistent with meaningful freedom, that freedom does not really exist when everyone is free to beat up or intimidate others as much as they can get away with, but rather in a society with moral norms to remind us we all exist thanks to the help of others and owe each other mutual respect and mutual aid. In such a society real freedom can exist, and the people who think entrenched inequality is the foundation and meaning of freedom are terribly confused. Not by accident!".
Appreciate the post Maringer 👍.Having said that I be interested to hear your view on the following answer about problems with left wing ideology written by a graduate
Erm, that's not a critique of left-wing ideology, it's a defence (or should it be defense as it's from a Yank?) of right-wing ideology.
In any case, in this context, "left-wing ideology" and "right-wing ideology" are too broad a stroke. Both cover the whole range from Communism and Fascism to the centre-ground - a 'real' centre, not one delineated by the Overton window at any particular moment.
Erm, that's not a critique of left-wing ideology, it's a defence (or should it be defense as it's from a Yank?) of right-wing ideology.
In any case, in this context, "left-wing ideology" and "right-wing ideology" are too broad a stroke. Both cover the whole range from Communism and Fascism to the centre-ground - a 'real' centre, not one delineated by the Overton window at any particular moment.
Yes it was written by a American. Once again thanks for your answer. Of interest have you ever voted right wing?. In the past Ive usually voted green but have voted conservative as well as lib dems.
First chance I would have had to vote was the 1992 election and wouldn't have voted for the Tories. I can't quite remember, but it would have been either Labour/LibDems back then.
I've voted Labour ever since, though sometimes pinching my nose as the least bad option. The Tories are economically illiterate and don't understand tax or fiat money. They are the party of the wealthy who either don't understand or don't care that the rentier capitalism which has dominated since Thatcher came to power is hollowing out the state which was constructed during the post-war consensus.
I wouldn't vote Green because of their wrong-headed approach to Nuclear power, which is a shame because economically, they were to the left of New Labour in 2010/2015 and will be well to the left of Starmer (Rachel Reeves is as deluded about the economy as the Tories).
Nuclear power is the only way we can wean ourselves off fossil fuels quickly enough to avoid catastrophe, but it is pretty much too late already given the current stance. We've wasted a few decades shutting down nuclear power instead of developing it and, barring massively improved cheap energy storage which isn't on the horizon, renewables will never fill the gap. It would be fantastic for the area if the Rolls Royce SMR factory was built in N.E. Lincs. SMRs may well help out if they can develop and prove them quickly enough. They'll still be more expensive than larger reactors in the longer-term, but anything would help.
Proportional Representation would be really, really good for the country, because the major parties would eventually splinter giving everyone, whether right or left, something they could back and still have their vote count. Would probably be good for the LibDems who don't deserve anything after their worthless choices in the coalition in 2010, but you can't have everything, can you?
You voting for Labour is hardly a ringing endorsement and it’s tragic that you want a pat on the back for considering it. If anything it’s a sign that their bland, empty, policy-free agenda is appealing to those with essentially zero skin in the game, and who offer no hope of ever making the positive change that millions in this country need.
Presumably, you are not a socialist.
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Yes it was written by a American. Once again thanks for your answer. Of interest have you ever voted right wing?. In the past Ive usually voted green but have voted conservative as well as lib dems.
It is strange that you have voted both Conservative and Green, the Greens policies are typically to the left of the Labour Party. A lot of people leaving Starmers' Labour, around where I live many are leaving Labour and moving to the Greens because they feel Labour is drifting too far to the right. I vote for the Greens in the local elections and whoever is most likely to defeat the Tories in my constituency(although I like many was betrayed by Nick Clegg) in the nationals, I agree with Ska that there is sometimes little to choose between the parties, but disagree that not voting for the least worst option is not worthwhile. Even with Tories there are grades to their callousness. Starmer is counting on people like me ( taking my vote for granted) in trying to win the votes of people like you and DB, because he knows in our system a vote for the Greens is a wasted vote. Perhaps he believes it is the politically expedient way to get into power. Cornyn got over 40% of the vote in 2017 but there was no way after that even his own Party was going to let him get in to power. Politics at the top is for the elites and they want to keep it that way
I'm just interested in the reasons why people voted for him. Some say it was because he wasn't Jeremy Corbyn and some, like yourself, say it was because he would deliver Brexit.
I'd also be interested to know why you think he has lied, because according to him, he got Brexit done.
Leave/out means exactly that without terms/conditions. Fishing, N Ireland border and I believe I read somewhere we are still paying into the EU. When an exclusion area is mentioned it is in Kms and not miles. He got his version of Brexit done. His battle bus of the day had millions being poured back into the NHS instead of the EU, but as far as I'm aware this didn't happen.
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It is strange that you have voted both Conservative and Green, the Greens policies are typically to the left of the Labour Party.
I voted conservative when I was younger but can see good and bad points between all party's left and right now after a troubled past .Hence sometimes in life you have to go through stuff to be moulded for the better. I note Poojah has a similar signature eg a smooth sea never made a skilled mariner.
I note many on this thread tend to be left wing but I know a fair few people and yes they are ex American military who dislike the leftist view of politics. I suppose in life that's why we have democracy. You can't please everyone.
I voted conservative when I was younger but can see good and bad points between all party's left and right now after a troubled past .Hence sometimes in life you have to go through stuff to be moulded for the better. I note Poojah has a similar signature eg a smooth sea never made a skilled mariner.
I note many on this thread tend to be left wing but I know a fair few people and yes they are ex American military who dislike the leftist view of politics. I suppose in life that's why we have democracy. You can't please everyone.
I certainly don't see myself as left wing, certainly when he's a younger but the country has floated past me to the right, I believed that the utilities and health were much to important to be in private hands, same with the railways were we pay private companies massive subsidies for the bosses to take bonuses. If we have little choice here look to the US the Democrats are to the right of the Tories here and the Republicans are even more extreme, how is that a real democracy when there is so very little choice?
Leave/out means exactly that without terms/conditions. Fishing, N Ireland border and I believe I read somewhere we are still paying into the EU. When an exclusion area is mentioned it is in Kms and not miles. He got his version of Brexit done. His battle bus of the day had millions being poured back into the NHS instead of the EU, but as far as I'm aware this didn't happen.
You can’t leave without terms and conditions. Leaving would always need complex technical and financial compromise and negotiation - something which the EU knew and tried from start to finish, whilst our knuckle heads played politics. Fishing and the NI border are just two of the many aspects of Brexit where the situation is far worse than it was when we were in, and have little or nothing to do with what was promised pre referendum. The whole of the Brexit case was built on lies. That is fact and the reality can be seen by everyone. Look at who sold it to the public - Johnson, Gove, Cummings, Farage, Rees-Mogg etc…..proven liars and Charlatans to a man.
I voted conservative when I was younger but can see good and bad points between all party's left and right now after a troubled past .Hence sometimes in life you have to go through stuff to be moulded for the better. I note Poojah has a similar signature eg a smooth sea never made a skilled mariner.
I note many on this thread tend to be left wing but I know a fair few people and yes they are ex American military who dislike the leftist view of politics. I suppose in life that's why we have democracy. You can't please everyone.
Often the most rational and well balanced individuals and not remotely brainwashed.
Leave/out means exactly that without terms/conditions. Fishing, N Ireland border and I believe I read somewhere we are still paying into the EU. When an exclusion area is mentioned it is in Kms and not miles. He got his version of Brexit done. His battle bus of the day had millions being poured back into the NHS instead of the EU, but as far as I'm aware this didn't happen.
Doesn't mean anything and it's not a practical solution to the complex and frankly almost impossible issue that Brexit was/is.
Often the most rational and well balanced individuals and not remotely brainwashed.
But also the ones sometimes with the biggest balls Mariner. Look at what some of them went through in Afghanistan recently to get rid of the Taliban and it really cuts me up . Hence limbs blown off and some never coming back after being blown to smithereens by improvised explosive devices.
But also the ones sometimes with the biggest balls Mariner. Look at what some of them went through in Afghanistan recently to get rid of the Taliban and it really cuts me up . Hence limbs blown off and some never coming back after being blown to smithereens by improvised explosive devices.
Totally and utterly irrelevant to their utter batshit brainwashing on political views.
Labour hasn't been a socialist party since 1995 when Blair booted out Clause 4.
I think natural monopolies of national interest (utilities, health, transport, military, law and order, infrastructure, steel etc) should be nationalised. Probably towards the left of the social democrat definition in that regard, but it's all about effective and efficient use of resources.
That twatt Cummings and Piers Morgan started all this - who is going to get us out of the shite now
Whilst I’m well aware the tories wanted him gone, as did the media, Boris, himself is also completely accountable for being a full on bell sniff. His list of intercourse ups stretches to the moon and back. If he’d not been a lying, scheming, narcissistic womanising bigot he’s have had a chance of staying, he’s not, hence the situation.
Only himself to blame as the media handed him his bottom…and still, in that mealy mouthed statement, not a scrap of decency or decorum, choosing to blame everyone and everything accept himself and still pedalling lies…
'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
He actually recoiled when he realised what he had said!
"The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That’s how I see football, that’s how I see life.” Bill Shankly
I would make Sunak one of the favourites with party members but don't know if he will survive the MP's ballots to make it to the last two. Depends how they view his resignation that brought about the beginning of the end for Boris.
If he does get to be leader, I sadly think he would beat the Labour Party at a general election as things stand. He seems to have that squeaky clean cut image that voters fall for and was quite popular among the public during lockdown. He didn't really have to work too hard to come across as more competent than the other morons he was stood with in those dark days.
Of course, he's just another in a long line of entitled, power hungry ar$eholes who wants to carry on the Tory tradition of telling the poor they have to keep tightening their belts, while they live in the lap of luxury. He is on another planet financially, which is apt because he looks like Spock. He also attended the illegal parties but didn't resign over that, the fooking hypocrite.
The people will keep voting for them, believing that they actually care about us. I am, and always have been, totally baffled why working people think that voting for these sorts of people will enrich their lives somehow.
I'm also baffled at the misconception that the Tories are the only safe party to run the economy, which seems to stem from the fact that most of them are stinking rich.
And given Rishi Sunak is the only candidate so far who isn’t promising fantasy economics and irresponsible and unfounded tax cut promises he will lose.
Liz Truss as PM would be the dream outcome for the Labour Party.
Mordaunt is apparently making some strides and is now 2nd favourite behind Sunak.
I'd rather we have a GE, I've not been a Labour supporter since Keir became leader but anything is better than the disgraceful Tories. Also Liar Nici would be ousted sooner.
Mordaunt is apparently making some strides and is now 2nd favourite behind Sunak.
I'd rather we have a GE, I've not been a Labour supporter since Keir became leader but anything is better than the disgraceful Tories. Also Liar Nici would be ousted sooner.
I might be wrong but I think there’s very little chance of Tory MPs putting Penny Mordaunt into the final 2. It’s looking like a Sunak v Truss stitch up.
Don’t be surprised if the final vote doesn’t go to the Tory members. If one candidate get 55% or more of the MPs votes in the final round of voting I’d expect the 2nd placed candidate to withdraw.
Funny things happen in these races once candidates started getting knocked out. All kinds of offers and deals to move support so I wouldn't write off Mordaunt. A Truss win might be good for the prospects of a Labour win at the election but it will be a long 2 years!
The fact that somebody as apparently dim as Truss is one of the favourites due to having less obvious baggage than Sunak shows the paucity of the options available.
May was wooden as they come and wholly unsuited to the role of PM, but I don't think anybody could claim she didn't have some sort of a reasonable intellect about her and she might have been a pretty vicious Home Secretary due to her political leanings, but she certainly had a grasp of the requirements of the job.
All evidence available seems to indicate that Truss would struggle to think her way out of a paper bag. And she's a complete plank as well.
And now Nadim Zahawi has said he'll publish his tax returns each year if he becomes PM.
However, he doesn't think that retrospectively publishing his returns for the past 10 years is necessary because, well, that's all in the past, isn't it?
Nothing at all to do with offshore funds and the like, I'm sure.
I’m sure I read that Truss is using the strapline ‘deliver, deliver, deliver’. FFS…..apart from being absolutely crass (who makes this cr@p up?), she’s being promoted as someone with a ‘track record of delivering’. Yet another delve into the post truth Tory dystopia with yet another gaslight for the British public. Can someone please show me what Truss has ‘delivered’ in her govt roles? She doesn’t know where the Black Sea is, as Foreign minister, and, in my view, is so utterly dim, she’d struggle to deliver you a pizza to the correct address.
I might be wrong but I think there’s very little chance of Tory MPs putting Penny Mordaunt into the final 2. It’s looking like a Sunak v Truss stitch up.
Don’t be surprised if the final vote doesn’t go to the Tory members. If one candidate get 55% or more of the MPs votes in the final round of voting I’d expect the 2nd placed candidate to withdraw.
I’ve changed my mind. I think Sunak will be stitched up in the same way Michael Gove was in 2019 when the Johnson campaign lent Jeremy Hunt a stack of votes in the last round of MP voting to avoid a Johnson v Gove run-off.
I don’t think the MPs will allow Sunak to finish in the top 2.
I’ve changed my mind. I think Sunak will be stitched up in the same way Michael Gove was in 2019 when the Johnson campaign lent Jeremy Hunt a stack of votes in the last round of MP voting to avoid a Johnson v Gove run-off.
I don’t think the MPs will allow Sunak to finish in the top 2.
I think the final four will be Sunak , Truss, Mordaunt & Tugenhadt. From there anything could happen as votes move around and deals are done. I’m not convinced Sunak will win it, and think it will be one of the other three.
I wonder what it is about Rishi Sunak, who’s the most right wing of any of the candidates apart from Suella Braverman, that you don’t like?
Disagree with you, Kemi is the right of centre true Conservative. The way he was throwing money about during the pandemic was very irresponsible. Anyway it doesn’t matter we are way past left and right ideologies, it’s the globalist that worry me and I put Rishi firmly in that camp.
Truss in fantasy land already around the NI increase. "I told cabinet I was against it"
Then voted for it and stated:
Liz Truss has defended the government’s plan to increase national insurance from April, but accepted it would not be popular with voters.
Speaking to the BBC’s Sunday Morning programme, the foreign secretary said the government was in a “very difficult” financial situation as a result of the Covid crisis.
“Taxes are never popular,” she said. “As soon a possible we want to be in a position to lower our tax rates.
But she said: “We do face a short term issue that is we have spent significant amounts of money dealing with the Covid crisis, it does need to be paid back.”
“There's nothing wrong with the car except that it's on fire.”- Murray Walker
Truss in fantasy land already around the NI increase. "I told cabinet I was against it"
Then voted for it and stated:
Liz Truss has defended the government’s plan to increase national insurance from April, but accepted it would not be popular with voters.
Speaking to the BBC’s Sunday Morning programme, the foreign secretary said the government was in a “very difficult” financial situation as a result of the Covid crisis.
“Taxes are never popular,” she said. “As soon a possible we want to be in a position to lower our tax rates.
But she said: “We do face a short term issue that is we have spent significant amounts of money dealing with the Covid crisis, it does need to be paid back.”
We have spent significant amounts of money doling out useless contracts to our mates and supporters.
I would make Sunak one of the favourites with party members but don't know if he will survive the MP's ballots to make it to the last two. Depends how they view his resignation that brought about the beginning of the end for Boris.
Of course, he's just another in a long line of entitled, power hungry ar$eholes who wants to carry on the Tory tradition of telling the poor they have to keep tightening their belts, while they live in the lap of luxury. He is on another planet financially, which is apt because he looks like Spock. He also attended the illegal parties but didn't resign over that, the fooking hypocrite.
The people will keep voting for them, believing that they actually care about us. I am, and always have been, totally baffled why working people think that voting for these sorts of people will enrich their lives somehow.
He's an oily sh1t, like the rest of them.
I don't know if your saw the televised debate tonight but I was struck by how Sunak spoke about how one of his family members generated so much wealth. Started with little money but through hard work became successful in business.
Take your Tory prejudices aside for one minute and surely you must admire that success story.
I don't know if your saw the televised debate tonight but I was struck by how Sunak spoke about how one of his family members generated so much wealth. Started with little money but through hard work became successful in business.
Take your Tory prejudices aside for one minute and surely you must admire that success story.
I don't admire obscene wealth, or those that are deified for it.
Lot's of people work hard, but don't get rewarded for it.
I don't know if your saw the televised debate tonight but I was struck by how Sunak spoke about how one of his family members generated so much wealth. Started with little money but through hard work became successful in business.
Take your Tory prejudices aside for one minute and surely you must admire that success story.
I have no problem with people working hard to make money, that’s fine so long as you pay your taxes. If you game the system to pay little or no tax and then use your political influence to continue this further then you’re the lowest of the low and can fùck right off.
I have no problem with people working hard to make money, that’s fine so long as you pay your taxes. If you game the system to pay little or no tax and then use your political influence to continue this further then you’re the lowest of the low and can fùck right off.
Do you know anybody local who got a grant and then didn't pay all his dues and demands?
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I have no problem with people working hard to make money, that’s fine so long as you pay your taxes. If you game the system to pay little or no tax and then use your political influence to continue this further then you’re the lowest of the low and can fùck right off.
Yes I agree. I do feel without knowing all the inns and outs of politics on either side labour or conservative that Sunak came across as very polished and creditable last night and out of yesterdays candidates in the televised debate came across as the best.
Iam still moved though by his family members story of starting with hardly having any money and then through sheer effort making it wealthy. In fairness to Sunak did state yesterday he wanted to hear of other success stories like his family in the wider British public. I remember Alan Sugar who is a Tory also comes from a similar rags to riches story. Started initially selling car aerials for one.
Apparently exposure is damaging them. Very strange to want less publicity after all this will be for our next PM. They should want to be scrutinised and show exactly what they are about
There's no such thing as bad publicity... unless you're a bunch of talentless no marks bidding to be Prime Minister.
My prediction remains that whichever white candidate makes it through to the final two will be selected by the Tory Party members. So Truss is certainly a possibility at the end of the day.
Apparently exposure is damaging them. Very strange to want less publicity after all this will be for our next PM. They should want to be scrutinised and show exactly what they are about
Is correct!
Imagine these people being the best the Conservative party has to offer, to run our government and country. I have found the debates both cringeworthy and excruciatingly awkward. I felt the candidates themselves were disingenuous and so removed from reality.
Depressing!
“I know writers who use subtext and they’re all cowards.” –Garth Marenghi
I remember Alan Sugar who is a Tory also comes from a similar rags to riches story. Started initially selling car aerials for one.
Alan Sugar is a Labour Lord and the bulk of his wealth comes from real estate and commercial property lettings. Which is why he’s regularly on the telly crying about people being allowed to work from home. Show me a billionaire and I’ll show you an exploitative parasite.
Alan Sugar is a Labour Lord and the bulk of his wealth comes from real estate and commercial property lettings. Which is why he’s regularly on the telly crying about people being allowed to work from home. Show me a billionaire and I’ll show you an exploitative parasite.
Thanks for the information Skaface.
I quite liked Richard Branstons story though. I've read his autobiography and he initially followed his passion for music. Likewise has given a fair bit of money to charity as well. Admittedly does come from a affluent background but hasn't squandered a entrepreneurial spirit pushed by his mum.
Probably not too difficult to make loads of money if you tax evade and try to sue the NHS all the time. Branson is a wànker of epic proportions. Stop being impressed by money alone.
Probably not too difficult to make loads of money if you tax evade and try to sue the NHS all the time. Branson is a wànker of epic proportions. Stop being impressed by money alone.
Mariner I admire people in any walk of life that don't squander their ability in any given field be it plumbing,sport , teaching,music etc. It's nothing to do with money .
I seem to remember, from decades ago, that Branson said something like ' I had to distribute my records so I jumped into my mate's car which wasn't taxed, tested or insured but got the job done'.
I do sometimes wonder what other corners he has cut to make his billions. He now makes £14million per month
Richard Branson who pays no tax on his £2bn nhs deal and demanded a bailout from the tax payer for his airline despite owning a Caribbean island. Charity is a cold, grey, loveless thing…
A Caribbean Island which just happens to be in the BVI, one of the world's premier tax havens. Wanted help rebuilding from the government after Hurricane Irma hit, I seem to recall? Could be wrong, but I think that's what I read at the time.
A Caribbean Island which just happens to be in the BVI, one of the world's premier tax havens. Wanted help rebuilding from the government after Hurricane Irma hit, I seem to recall? Could be wrong, but I think that's what I read at the time.
He did indeed…Brandon was, for a while the poster boy for kids who copulated school or didn’t get good grades. The very thing Thatcher fapped over…in truth, I wouldn’t want any of the kids I teach to have such corrupt morals as Branson. I’d rather they lead a modest life and an honest one…although sadly, folk seem to think having sack fulls of cash is all that matters…
'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
There was a gushing piece in The Times magazine the other Saturday where he admitted he didn't know the difference between 'net' and 'gross' in accounting terms until he was about 50. This indicates to me he was somewhat lucky during large parts of his business career.
He did indeed…Brandon was, for a while the poster boy for kids who copulated school or didn’t get good grades. The very thing Thatcher fapped over…in truth, I wouldn’t want any of the kids I teach to have such corrupt morals as Branson. I’d rather they lead a modest life and an honest one…although sadly, folk seem to think having sack fulls of cash is all that matters…
Truth is Aldi I had Branson down as a ok guy . Granted I didn't envisage some of the things he done wrongly which others have pointed out on here. I did remember reading something a while back on tax evasion but it slipped my mind .
On the subject of money it's not the be all and end all but certainly you do need enough to provide for your family. On another note how many on here if they had exceptional skills wouldn't want to sign for a club like Real Madrid for instance where the average wage is roughly 10 million a season with the likes of Karim Benzema on 30 million. Compare that to likes of Grimsby. For me it's about my children first and foremost and trying to look after them .
If I had a million quid I think I’d be quite happy with my lot and would be able to look after my kids no problem, and pay all the necessary taxes.
Branson is worth £4.2bn (a millionaire 4,200 times over) and still works to avoid the taxes that fund our public services and then profit from our public services being run into the ground.
When is enough enough? I truly believe these people suffer from some form of sickness. If you won £191m on tomorrows euromillions, would your first thought be “how can I use that to make more money”? Course not, which is where these scumbags differ from the rest of us.
The world’s 2,153 billionaires have more wealth than the 4.6 billion people who make up 60 percent of the planet’s population, reveals a new report from Oxfam today ahead of the World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos, Switzerland.
Global inequality is shockingly entrenched and vast and the number of billionaires has doubled in the last decade. Oxfam India CEO Amitabh Behar, who is in Davos to represent the Oxfam confederation this year said: “The gap between rich and poor can't be resolved without deliberate inequality-busting policies, and too few governments are committed to these.”
Oxfam’s report, ‘Time to Care’, shows how our sexist economies are fuelling the inequality crisis —enabling a wealthy elite to accumulate vast fortunes at the expense of ordinary people and particularly poor women and girls:
The 22 richest men in the world have more wealth than all the women in Africa. Women and girls put in 12.5 billion hours of unpaid care work each and every day —a contribution to the global economy of at least $10.8 trillion a year, more than three times the size of the global tech industry. Getting the richest one percent to pay just 0.5 percent extra tax on their wealth over the next 10 years would equal the investment needed to create 117 million jobs in sectors such as elderly and childcare, education and health.
When is enough enough? I truly believe these people suffer from some form of sickness. If you won £191m on tomorrows euromillions, would your first thought be “how can I use that to make more money”? Course not, which is where these scumbags differ from the rest of us.
I do feel money and power can go to people's heads and warp reality. Pablo Escobar made untold riches albeit illegally and wanted to become the Columbian president. It's this quest for power which ultimately was his downfall.
Yeah and Escobar did more for the people of Medellin than Branson or Sugar have ever done for the people of this country.
Only thing Skaface is Branson and Sugar didn't get many killed on his command. Likewise Escobar employed sicarios ( often poor teenagers ) to do the killings for him for cash rewards.
Branson's setup is tax avoidance, Rick, (which is legal, however morally dubious), not tax evasion which is illegal.
Unfortunately, there are very few big businessmen or high earners who don't do their best to squirrel money away from the taxman, by dubious or other means. Our current Chancellor of the Exchequer, for example.
My favourite is when you get risible excuses from the likes of Lewis Hamilton claiming he was moving to Monaco, not for tax reasons, but because he liked the views or some such nonsense.
Of course, if there was the will, parliament could legislate to close the loopholes which allow the avoidance. Problem is that most of the fornicators are up to it themselves! In fact, as our Chancellor is currently (allegedly) showing, there are plenty of them into evasion, not just avoidance.
Branson's setup is tax avoidance, Rick, (which is legal, however morally dubious), not tax evasion which is illegal. .
Thanks for the information Maringer.
Why can't we live in a world where everyone gets on and don't try to put people down ,little corruption, respect the environment etc. From experiences in life it's not the world that is horrible it's what people do to each other that makes it seem that way.
Why can't we live in a world where everyone gets on and don't try to put people down ,little corruption, respect the environment etc. From experiences in life it's not the world that is horrible it's what people do to each other that makes it seem that way.
Greed. You know, one of the deadly sins in that book you like.
I would take credit for that if my name was Colin. I simply fail to understand how this sketch finding Labour’s view on what a woman is as being funny FFS totally out of touch!
The idiot even has the gal to mention the party’s diversity, yet it’s the kind of diversity that Labour could only dream of, and they did it all without patronising quotas. Funny old world, eh?
I would take credit for that if my name was Colin. I simply fail to understand how this sketch finding Labour’s view on what a woman is as being funny FFS totally out of touch!
The idiot even has the gal to mention the party’s diversity, yet it’s the kind of diversity that Labour could only dream of, and they did it all without patronising quotas. Funny old world, eh?
Is that best you can do Colin?? Disappointing.
“There's nothing wrong with the car except that it's on fire.”- Murray Walker
I would take credit for that if my name was Colin. I simply fail to understand how this sketch finding Labour’s view on what a woman is as being funny FFS totally out of touch!
The idiot even has the gal to mention the party’s diversity, yet it’s the kind of diversity that Labour could only dream of, and they did it all without patronising quotas. Funny old world, eh?
It is an impressive diverse range of race and background that we've had in this leadership race; and now the next prime minister is going to be selected by circa 100,000 dribbling pensioners in the home counties with priorities ranging from not having so many Poles buying vodka in the supermarket during the fruit picking season, to stopping trans couples get married in their local church, to not having new council houses built in the pony field that is rented for their grandaughter's pony. Not forgetting that Liz Truss's new greatest fan will make sure they'll all get more suction for the vacuum cleaners that their house cleaners use.
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