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lew chaterleys lover
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The vaccine rollout seems to be going well.

I have not been too impressed with the government so far, but to get Brexit completed, the trading arrangements sorted out and having to deal with a pandemic cannot have been easy. The pandemic has hit all countries very hard but at least being out of the sclerotic EU has enabled us to get on with the vaccinations much quicker than we would have done.

Let's hope this is the start of getting back to normality, the restrictions start being lifted by early spring and the government gets on with the job of investing in places as promised at the last election.
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The vaccine rollout seems to be going well.

I have not been too impressed with the government so far, but to get Brexit completed


Fisheries minister didn’t read the bill - https://www.theguardian.com/po.....-she-was-at-nativity

Workers rights to be scrapped - https://www.theguardian.com/po.....s-rights-post-brexit


The trading arrangements sorted out


Supertrawler unable to fish - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-55621259

Scotland’s fishing industry in turmoil - https://www.independent.co.uk/.....tehall-b1788805.html

New regulations causing meat shortages - https://www.politicshome.com/n.....ritish-meat-industry


and having to deal with a pandemic cannot have been easy.


U.K. Worst in the world - https://www.itv.com/news/2021-.....rsity-research-shows

Tories in corruption scandal - https://www.thelondoneconomic......ption-mp-says/09/10/

More Test & Trace failure/scandal/corruption - https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nhs-test-trace-boss-dido-23341524

The pandemic has hit all countries very hard


COVID virtually nil across hundreds of millions in major Asian countries -
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotli.....keep-COVID-near-zero

Pandemic virtually eradicated in New Zealand - https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020.....n-managing-covid-19/


but at least being out of the sclerotic EU has enabled us to get on with the vaccinations much quicker than we would have done.


U.K. response was permissible under EU law -  
https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-vaccine-brexit/


Let's hope this is the start of getting back to normality, the restrictions start being lifted by early spring and the government gets on with the job of investing in places as promised at the last election.


Schools in south being given more “levelling up cash” than elsewhere - https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/schools-money-richer_uk_5f2c082cc5b6b9cff7ee2807

Tories reneg on Transport plans -https://www.ft.com/content/2c22f6b7-a73a-411b-8b27-2b21db4006bc


So yeah, credit where it’s due...
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Let's be honest. The NHS vaccinates over 15 million people from Flu every year mostly within a 2 month window in the Autumn. Even this government couldn't mess it up with that experience in the NHS.
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CREDIT WHERE ITS DUE!!!
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The vaccine rollout seems to be going well.

I have not been too impressed with the government so far, but to get Brexit completed, the trading arrangements sorted out and having to deal with a pandemic cannot have been easy. The pandemic has hit all countries very hard but at least being out of the sclerotic EU has enabled us to get on with the vaccinations much quicker than we would have done.

Let's hope this is the start of getting back to normality, the restrictions start being lifted by early spring and the government gets on with the job of investing in places as promised at the last election.


This is surely a wind up right?


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The vaccine rollout seems to be going well.

I have not been too impressed with the government so far, but to get Brexit completed, the trading arrangements sorted out and having to deal with a pandemic cannot have been easy. The pandemic has hit all countries very hard but at least being out of the sclerotic EU has enabled us to get on with the vaccinations much quicker than we would have done.

Let's hope this is the start of getting back to normality, the restrictions start being lifted by early spring and the government gets on with the job of investing in places as promised at the last election.


Brilliant but a little too obvious.

"having to deal with a pandemic cannot have been easy"

What was the quote............

"The government has consistently, throughout this year, been ahead of the curve in terms of proactive measures,”


Oh dear.



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This is surely a wind up right?


I agree. Never known any government , red or blue tell the truth, the whole truth and never forget to omit a "small" of truth.



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All credit to the NHS. If only they’d been given responsibility for test and trace,eh?
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The vaccine rollout seems to be going well.

I have not been too impressed with the government so far, but to get Brexit completed, the trading arrangements sorted out and having to deal with a pandemic cannot have been easy. The pandemic has hit all countries very hard but at least being out of the sclerotic EU has enabled us to get on with the vaccinations much quicker than we would have done.

Let's hope this is the start of getting back to normality, the restrictions start being lifted by early spring and the government gets on with the job of investing in places as promised at the last election.


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All credit to the NHS. If only they’d been given responsibility for test and trace,eh?


The trouble is politicians meddle too much with the NHS and never take responsibility for the meddling and problems they cause.



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The trouble is politicians meddle too much with the NHS and never take responsibility for the meddling and problems they cause.



The trouble with the NHS is the NHS!
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I think the correct term is ‘lyingcunts’.


Through the door there came familiar laughter,
I saw your face and heard you call my name.
Oh my friend we're older but no wiser,
For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
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I’m not sure where we’re giving credit?


'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
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Credit where credit is due,

Tweet 1351599663959437316 will appear here...


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Credit where credit is due,

Tweet 1351599663959437316 will appear here...


I wonder how our two local MP's voted ???



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I wonder how our two local MP's voted ???


You know the answer to this...


'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
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The vaccine rollout seems to be going well.

I have not been too impressed with the government so far, but to get Brexit completed, the trading arrangements sorted out and having to deal with a pandemic cannot have been easy. The pandemic has hit all countries very hard but at least being out of the sclerotic EU has enabled us to get on with the vaccinations much quicker than we would have done.

Let's hope this is the start of getting back to normality, the restrictions start being lifted by early spring and the government gets on with the job of investing in places as promised at the last election.


Nice to see the rollout going better than I thought. Well over 10 million and all most vulnerable to be vaccinated within a couple of weeks.

I had my jab a week ago, and everything was done with military precision so well done to all concerned.

Can't wait to get back to normal which will be a blessed relief for us all.

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“ Britain outside the EU was able to operate as a “speedboat” in securing coronavirus vaccines, the European Commission president admitted today.

In an acknowledgement of Europe’s slow pace of vaccine rollout, Ursula von der Leyen said that operating on its own allowed the UK to move more nimbly to secure supplies.”

and


“ The French government refused to fully fund research by Valneva, a Franco-Austrian startup that has developed its vaccine at its headquarters near Nantes in the Loire region.

Instead, the British backed the development, securing an agreement to supply 60 million doses from a plant in Livingston, West Lothian, starting in October. France won’t get the vaccine until next year.

Franck Grimaud, the company’s chief executive, said that several governments had been contacted at the launch of the project. “The UK responded the fastest,” he said.“


Just a couple of today’s pronouncements from Europe.

I am very happy and grateful to have been able to get my vaccination so quickly.

So far my arm has not withered and dropped off.





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Just worth pointing out that Valneva is only running their Phase 1/2 trials at present. Data readout available some time after April 2021 and so we don't know yet if it will work. May well be money down the chute, but let's hope not. I certainly don't mind the government spending a bit of money to support the production of vaccines, especially when you consider how much has been thrown away on dodgy PPE deals and an ineffective track and trace service. Due to the rollout of the other vaccines, get a readout on Valneva's Phase 3 trials will take a while as well, unless they run the trials elsewhere in the world where most aren't immunised. I'd be amazed if anybody got a dose of their vaccine, once approved, much before Christmas.

My guess is that the French will have refused to fund Valneva because they don't manufacture in France and will also have expected that Sanofi's vaccine would work. Unfortunately the Sanofi vaccine candidate flunked out and they are going back to work on it again, increasing the concentration levels so that will be more lengthy trials required in the future. They are going to help produce some of the Pfizer mRNA vaccine in the interim, so not a complete waste.

The UK vaccine taskforce has certainly done an excellent job. Just a pity that the rest of our government has done so poorly in comparison to most of their European counterparts.
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Just worth pointing out that Valneva is only running their Phase 1/2 trials at present. Data readout available some time after April 2021 and so we don't know yet if it will work. May well be money down the chute, but let's hope not. I certainly don't mind the government spending a bit of money to support the production of vaccines, especially when you consider how much has been thrown away on dodgy PPE deals and an ineffective track and trace service. Due to the rollout of the other vaccines, get a readout on Valneva's Phase 3 trials will take a while as well, unless they run the trials elsewhere in the world where most aren't immunised. I'd be amazed if anybody got a dose of their vaccine, once approved, much before Christmas.

My guess is that the French will have refused to fund Valneva because they don't manufacture in France and will also have expected that Sanofi's vaccine would work. Unfortunately the Sanofi vaccine candidate flunked out and they are going back to work on it again, increasing the concentration levels so that will be more lengthy trials required in the future. They are going to help produce some of the Pfizer mRNA vaccine in the interim, so not a complete waste.

The UK vaccine taskforce has certainly done an excellent job. Just a pity that the rest of our government has done so poorly in comparison to most of their European counterparts.


Is it totally impossible for you to give credit on the vaccine rollout and leave it there, without mentioning the government failures elsewhere that you’ve already mentioned I don’t know how many times.
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Is it totally impossible for you to give credit on the vaccine rollout and leave it there, without mentioning the government failures elsewhere that you’ve already mentioned I don’t know how many times.


It's a valid point though. We are in greater need of the vaccine, as we are dying at a much higher rate than the rest of Europe.

The vaccine here is a great success, but it doesn't negate all the other poor decisions and general faffing about this government has been involved in. We still haven't shut the fecking borders yet, despite saying we needed to over a month ago. Hotels and airport bosses have no idea what is going on.
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“ Britain outside the EU was able to operate as a “speedboat” in securing coronavirus vaccines, the European Commission president admitted today.

In an acknowledgement of Europe’s slow pace of vaccine rollout, Ursula von der Leyen said that operating on its own allowed the UK to move more nimbly to secure supplies.”

and


“ The French government refused to fully fund research by Valneva, a Franco-Austrian startup that has developed its vaccine at its headquarters near Nantes in the Loire region.

Instead, the British backed the development, securing an agreement to supply 60 million doses from a plant in Livingston, West Lothian, starting in October. France won’t get the vaccine until next year.

Franck Grimaud, the company’s chief executive, said that several governments had been contacted at the launch of the project. “The UK responded the fastest,” he said.“


Just a couple of today’s pronouncements from Europe.

I am very happy and grateful to have been able to get my vaccination so quickly.

So far my arm has not withered and dropped off.





Hope everything else is still in place and functions ok


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Is it totally impossible for you to give credit on the vaccine rollout and leave it there, without mentioning the government failures elsewhere that you’ve already mentioned I don’t know how many times.


The fact that you seem to still be defending the government for their many failings indicates I need to keep mentioning it..

If the government really had 'followed the science' as they claim, we'd be in the enviable position of having lost fewer lives and with less damage to the economy and the wellbeing of citizens with the vaccines still coming through quickly. It's not an either/or situation. The government could have done well during the early stages of the pandemic and then still made the right choices with vaccine procurement. They didn't get the vaccine bit right because everything else was copulated up.
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The fact that you seem to still be defending the government for their many failings indicates I need to keep mentioning it..

If the government really had 'followed the science' as they claim, we'd be in the enviable position of having lost fewer lives and with less damage to the economy and the wellbeing of citizens with the vaccines still coming through quickly. It's not an either/or situation. The government could have done well during the early stages of the pandemic and then still made the right choices with vaccine procurement. They didn't get the vaccine bit right because everything else was copulated up.


Ok captain hindsight 🙄
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Ok captain hindsight 🙄


Exactly.
I mean as they say:

“Well the government has consistently throughout this year been ahead of the curve in terms of proactive measures in regard in terms of coronavirus measures.”

You do have to laugh if it wasn't so tragic.



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Ok captain hindsight 🙄


Oh come on Humbercod -behave! If you don’t have a better retort than that, it would be better not to reply. We’ve already had the hindsight line. As mentioned previously it is the government that have acted in hindsight despite people with foresight advising them otherwise. I am pleased the rollout of the vaccination programme has bucked the trend of this government and gone well. However, it’s a bit like praising Fred West’s building acumen.


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