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BIGChris
May 29, 2015, 8:33am
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The 'forgotton' disaster.

This is a bit long but quite a harrowing account

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/spo.....n-prolongs-hurt.html
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May 29, 2015, 8:50am

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It's odd how for about a month either side of the Hillsborough anniversary every year there are large-scale commemorations but Heysel doesn't seem to get the same level of remembrance.
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Hillsborough is still under investigation and very much a talking point due to the staggering levels of cover up, especially so on its anniversary. Heysel needs much more discussion, and it's sad to see the lack of reconciliation despite some valiant attempts, something that Juventus in particular are very reticent to get involved in.


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Heysel needs much more discussion, and it's sad to see the lack of reconciliation despite some valiant attempts, something that Juventus in particular are very reticent to get involved in.


Hardly surprising they are not quite ready to let bygones be bygones.

Juve fans feel the Liverpool hooligans are to blame for Heysel in the same way Liverpool fans feel the police were to blame for Hillsborough. None of these are parties are likely to forgive and forget any time soon.



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That's understandable, but the core of this discussion is the fact that Heysel is 'forgotten' and pushed aside while Hillsborough takes dominance, when it's Juventus and even Platini who are, and have been seemingly willing to keep it that way. As is their prerogative.
Maybe it's the best, most dignified way, but one that can't be afforded to Hillsborough just yet, and so the arguments will roll on.


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But perhaps people like me do find it odd that 2 such large tragedies are treated so differently. If you don't like that, avoid the threads and articles.  


It's not that they're treat differently as such, just that one has been largely ignored by the affected club by choice.
Another good piece here [url]http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/may/28/juventus-heysel-victims-30-years-liverpool[/url]
“Juventus tried immediately to forget Heysel, this is a fact. Doing so left the victims’ families to fight all the battles alone,”

It's all very complex, no thread can really go into the full details, but the 'forgotten' tag is a little unfair in comparison to other disasters. Hillsborough needed closure, whereas Juventus tried to shut the lid on Heysel immediately, leading to the differences that we see. In both cases though, it was fans and families that pressured those in charge to look at things in a new light. Let's agree, it should never happen again.


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Nobody who saw this can have any doubt who was to blame. Hardly surprising that forgive and forget is not on the Juventus fans' agenda.


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It's not that they're treat differently as such, just that one has been largely ignored by the affected club by choice.
Another good piece here [url]http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/may/28/juventus-heysel-victims-30-years-liverpool[/url]
“Juventus tried immediately to forget Heysel, this is a fact. Doing so left the victims’ families to fight all the battles alone,”

It's all very complex, no thread can really go into the full details, but the 'forgotten' tag is a little unfair in comparison to other disasters. Hillsborough needed closure, whereas Juventus tried to shut the lid on Heysel immediately, leading to the differences that we see. In both cases though, it was fans and families that pressured those in charge to look at things in a new light. Let's agree, it should never happen again.


Very good post. I've amended my first post as it did read more callously than I intended.
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Thanks MM, that's appreciated.


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I know the reason they played the match after such an event,

BUT

To kick off the game while there were still bodies laying behind the stands,

Beggers believe.


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