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I'd love to know how all the clubs smaller than us or even bigger are surviving with out a flashy new ground ?? Accy stanley , Exeter etc or is it just a smoke screen ?
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How are Accrington Stanley and Exeter surviving? Unsustainably, just like us. They survive for as long as directors continue to prop up their losses, and no longer.
John Fenty is a wealthy man, but I doubt he has the wealth or inclination to continue financially supporting the club forever. If that were to happen tomorrow, then the only options are to shrink rapidly or die.
That's the start reality of the situation, but to look at it in a more aspirational way let's consider our collective ambitions for the club to return to something like it's former glory - somewhere between a mid-table Championship side and a top-half League One outfit. Admittedly, I'm plucking numbers out of the air here but I suspect a squad capable of that would cost somewhere between £10m and £20m a year in salaries in today's climate. I think our entire turnover last year was less than £2m.
Plot the success of clubs of clubs who have moved to a new stadium in recent years that they own (ownership is key) and you'll find that in most cases their financial and footballing fortunes have had a massive shot in the arm. Off the top of my head:
Stoke City Cardiff City Swansea City Rotherham United Brighton Chesterfield Etc.
Hull don't own their stadium, but there's no way they'd have got to where they are now at Boothferry Park. Ultimately, if you want Town to still exist in any meaningful way in 20 or 30 years time (or perhaps even less) then we're going to need a new stadium. The same is probably true for most clubs of our size who continue to do what they can in some decrepit old shed with a pitch in the middle.
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fleabag1970 |
November 23, 2014, 8:24pm |
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thanks for that ... does that mean Football is over stretching itself at all levels?
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November 23, 2014, 8:40pm |
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How are Accrington Stanley and Exeter surviving? Unsustainably, just like us. They survive for as long as directors continue to prop up their losses, and no longer.
John Fenty is a wealthy man, but I doubt he has the wealth or inclination to continue financially supporting the club forever. If that were to happen tomorrow, then the only options are to shrink rapidly or die.
That's the start reality of the situation, but to look at it in a more aspirational way let's consider our collective ambitions for the club to return to something like it's former glory - somewhere between a mid-table Championship side and a top-half League One outfit. Admittedly, I'm plucking numbers out of the air here but I suspect a squad capable of that would cost somewhere between £10m and £20m a year in salaries in today's climate. I think our entire turnover last year was less than £2m.
Plot the success of clubs of clubs who have moved to a new stadium in recent years that they own (ownership is key) and you'll find that in most cases their financial and footballing fortunes have had a massive shot in the arm. Off the top of my head:
Stoke City Cardiff City Swansea City Rotherham United Brighton Chesterfield Etc.
Hull don't own their stadium, but there's no way they'd have got to where they are now at Boothferry Park. Ultimately, if you want Town to still exist in any meaningful way in 20 or 30 years time (or perhaps even less) then we're going to need a new stadium. The same is probably true for most clubs of our size who continue to do what they can in some decrepit old shed with a pitch in the middle.
Every club is different. Brighton had their ground sold and had to play at Gillingham for 2 seasons before getting back into Brighton courtesy of the council. Chesterfield were virtually broke as were Swansea and both were kept in being by new stadia funded by retail parks that were part of a much bigger development plan. Interesting that the same financiers that saved Hull City by brokering the deal with the council over the KC sell-off were involved in the same thing at Swansea. Rotherham have a very wealthy owner but also got help to develop a brownfield site while cheating their way through administration. The point is that new stadia do not save clubs on their own though they can be part of the saving of clubs as long as it fits with someone else's financial agenda.
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November 24, 2014, 7:18am |
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courtesy of the council. .
What's that mean. Thought councils meant "no". Surely other councils can't be wanting their local team to be a success.
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fleabag1970 |
November 24, 2014, 7:49am |
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I was playing Devils Advocate to try and get a debate going on Why we need a new ground and where it should be. It is alright the club telling the fans to back the compaign but it is also nice to look at the UN biased facts surrounding the move .....................The club seem to be losing 20k per month as it stands ........... How much would they lose in a 14k all seater ? I'm just asking the questions thats all ?
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November 24, 2014, 8:24am |
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And i get a red cross for asking a question, Glad my kids dont go to your school
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I was playing Devils Advocate to try and get a debate going on Why we need a new ground and where it should be. It is alright the club telling the fans to back the compaign but it is also nice to look at the UN biased facts surrounding the move .....................The club seem to be losing 20k per month as it stands ........... How much would they lose in a 14k all seater ? I'm just asking the questions thats all ?
Should've posted on here and not started a thread, but ch4 @ 9pm
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