Guardian and the Mail

Quoted from kingofthekippers

Corrected it for you Jock.

For all its' faults (and its ability to provide comedy material) the Daily Mail probably reflects the thoughts of a significantly large number of people in this country given that 1.8m copies are sold a day, compared to the 200,000 copies that the Guardian somehow persuades people to give money for.

I haven't read the Mail for some years now (I read the Times - "Boo Hiss! Murdoch lackey!" I hear Jock cry) but whilst some liberal 'right-on' papers where devoting pages to attacking the police for institutional racism only one newspaper campaigned to get justice for Stephen Lawrence and to see his murderers imprisoned for their crime.

The paper concerned? Why, it was that 'bigoted racist prejudiced' rag called the Daily Mail.*


_{*Guardian readers don't like you knowing this.}

and this is why......

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/jan/08/paul-dacre-stephen-lawrence-editor-fury


i hate the daily mail and all it stands for - for daily mail readers the world must be a scary place where nothing good ever happens; just a world where the middle class are under siege from things as disparate as falling house prices, cancer, falling house prices, socialists, falling house prices, travellers, falling house prices, benefit scroungers, falling house prices, east europeans, falling house prices, chinese and russians, falling house prices, health scares/epidemics, falling house prices, liberals, falling house prices.......ad infinitum

KOTK, you're obviously living in a parallel universe somewhere...The Daily Mail doesn't "reflect the thoughts of a significant amount of people" it influences them, which is wholly different. It's an uber right wing rag no getting away from it, always has been, always will be.

i like how guardian readers come up with the term "Nazi" when referring to  anything even slightly non ultra left-wing?  let me get this straight,a system of denouncing any comment and belief system not in line with their own point of view, this is what the left guardian reading zealots practice, oh hang on a minute haven't we seen this somewhere before? oh yes here we are..................................1930s Germany under the "nazi" party mandate..............oh the irony.

Quoted from jock dock tower

KOTK, you're obviously living in a parallel universe somewhere...The Daily Mail doesn't "reflect the thoughts of a significant amount of people" it influences them, which is wholly different. It's an uber right wing rag no getting away from it, always has been, always will be.

good,thats why we read it

Quoted from the ace face

i like how guardian readers come up with the term "Nazi" when referring to  anything even slightly non ultra left-wing?  let me get this straight,a system of denouncing any comment and belief system not in line with their own point of view, this is what the left guardian reading zealots practice, oh hang on a minute haven't we seen this somewhere before? oh yes here we are..................................1930s Germany under the "nazi" party mandate..............oh the irony.

Brush up on your history. Rothermere did finance the blackshirts, was an open admirer of Hitler and Mussolini, and the paper's never changed in it's stance to anything that doesn't conform to the family's rather distorted view of the norm. Nothing ironic there.....

Quoted from the ace face

i like how guardian readers come up with the term "Nazi" when referring to  anything even slightly non ultra left-wing?  let me get this straight,a system of denouncing any comment and belief system not in line with their own point of view, this is what the left guardian reading zealots practice, oh hang on a minute haven't we seen this somewhere before? oh yes here we are..................................1930s Germany under the "nazi" party mandate..............oh the irony.

Absolutely none of what you have written is true.  The guardian is marketed at and read by 'AThe educated left'.  Your assertion that Guardian readers refer to people and viewpoints as "Nazi" does not ring true at all.

As a Guardian reader myself and knowing many people also who read it; Teachers, health care professionals, lawyers, university lecturers. . . The ridiculous dismissive "nazi" tag to anything other than related to national socialist germany 1930-45 would be mocked by anyone from the educated left.

You have tried to make this point before on here and you are now trying to shoe-horn this ridiculous point into this thread.

What comes across most powerfully in your posts aceface is that yiu have a massive chip on your shoulder probably related to your own level of education (I would guess)

Did you get kicked out of college? Fail your A levels? Fail to make the grade at Uni?

The quality of your arguments (unless you are an 11 year old boy) is pretty embarassing!

Apparently the Daily Mail website is the most popular news related website in the world-eclipsing the BBC.

...if it was only peddling real news, Barralad, it would be the most boring site in the ether? It's popular for a reason....

Quoted from jock dock tower

KOTK, you're obviously living in a parallel universe somewhere...The Daily Mail doesn't "reflect the thoughts of a significant amount of people" it influences them, which is wholly different. It's an uber right wing rag no getting away from it, always has been, always will be.

Reflect or influence, couldn't the same accusation be levelled at all newspapers? Do left-wing newspapers reflect the views of its' readers whilst right-wing ones influence them?

I think you are over-estimating the power of the press in this area. Your argument assumes that everyone is an idiot and cannot make up their own minds. If the Mail (or indeed any newspaper) printed material its' readers did not agree with or sympathise with, it would soon be out of business. All newspapers pander to their given market otherwise they'd be long gone. Indeed some are going quicker than others; of the broadsheets the Guardian and its' Sunday stablemate, the Observer, have shown some of the biggest year-on-year declines (only the Independent has done worse), although all newspapers are losing readers.

You're quite right that the Daily Mail is a right-wing newspaper, in the same way that the Guardian is a left-wing one but they have one crucial difference. Most Mail readers wouldn't give a toss about the Guardian, whereas Guardian readers have an in-built horror of the Mail or any newspaper which doesn't follow their stance.

It has always struck me as odd that the left, given their ideological belief in equality and fairness, has a far greater intolerance to views that do not chime with theirs, a view you'd normally associate with the right.

Quoted from kingofthekippers

Reflect or influence, couldn't the same accusation be levelled at all newspapers? Do left-wing newspapers reflect the views of its' readers whilst right-wing ones influence them?

I think you are over-estimating the power of the press in this area. Your argument assumes that everyone is an idiot and cannot make up their own minds. If the Mail (or indeed any newspaper) printed material its' readers did not agree with or sympathise with, it would soon be out of business. All newspapers pander to their given market otherwise they'd be long gone. Indeed some are going quicker than others; of the broadsheets the Guardian and its' Sunday stablemate, the Observer, have shown some of the biggest year-on-year declines (only the Independent has done worse), although all newspapers are losing readers.

You're quite right that the Daily Mail is a right-wing newspaper, in the same way that the Guardian is a left-wing one but they have one crucial difference. Most Mail readers wouldn't give a toss about the Guardian, whereas Guardian readers have an in-built horror of the Mail or any newspaper which doesn't follow their stance.

It has always struck me as odd that the left, given their ideological belief in equality and fairness, has a far greater intolerance to views that do not chime with theirs, a view you'd normally associate with the right.

Were that true, then the Guardian wouldn't have backed the Liberal Party at the last election. Wake up Kipperheed! I don't have an intolerance to other newspapers, it's just the shitey stuff I can't stand...so you can take out the Sun, Star and Sport for starters. The Mail, Telegraph, and the Express - and you can't ignore it - are the playthings of media oligarchs who have an undue influence on both politics and free thinking in this country. Doesn't chime with my views on democracy KOTK, but hey, keep on rocking in the free world........