Why Fenty deserves our trust & loyalty..

No. I couldn't think of a reason either.

Because of the club's sustained success under his stewardship?

Because of the clear and concise communications from within the club?

Because of his honest and open dealings regarding the club?

Because of our shiny new stadium?

Because we are well run?

Because he is willing to answer difficult questions in the media?

because it pisses people off on an internet forum?

Because no one else has shown an interest in investing so much time, effort and money in a club that is running on empty in the lowest league of their proud history.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of JF's previous regime but give him some credit FFS.

Perhaps if the club had a sustainable budget we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

Quoted from DocDock

Perhaps if the club had a sustainable budget we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

Don't think budgeting is John's strength!

Quoted from DocDock

Perhaps if the club had a sustainable budget we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

We would probably have to be a part-time club to achieve that.

to have a sustainable budget doesnt have to mean cutting the playing budget to make us part time. there are many ways to decrease clubs expenses

Because we all want to pull in the same direction now maybe?? put the past behind us and kick on.

2nd chance for John..I hope he does things differently...starting with employing a chief executive or keep Ian Fleming in charge so that John can pull the strings behind the scenes like the last few months also for him to step out of the firing line if you like although thats easy for me to say while my money is safely in my bank account.

I have abused him before I won't lie about that but IMO we need to put it behind us and move on now.

Quoted from STB

Because no one else has shown an interest in investing so much time, effort and money in a club that is running on empty in the lowest league of their proud history.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of JF's previous regime but give him some credit FFS.

Quoted from Super Clive

Because we all want to pull in the same direction now maybe?? put the past behind us and kick on.

2nd chance for John..I hope he does things differently...starting with employing a chief executive or keep Ian Fleming in charge so that John can pull the strings behind the scenes like the last few months also for him to step out of the firing line if you like although thats easy for me to say while my money is safely in my bank account.

I have abused him before I won't lie about that but IMO we need to put it behind us and move on now.

I'd go with these despite my reservations especially the part about a 2nd chance.  Clean slate and let's kick on, while we are at it pay back some of that benign loan back each season starting from next season.

There is a very simple reason why I, as a Trust member, voted in favour of the motion put to us - I did not, and do not, see a better way forward for our club at this time.

In a period when we have an improving squad and are firmly in playoff contention, the one thing above all others that is needed off the field is boardroom stability. We need it to give us the best possible chance of both keeping this squad together in the broadest meaning of the phrase and making an even stronger challenge at the top end of the table next season, as I think we are perfectly capable of doing if we don't go up this year. Had we not voted for the motion, I was concerned that we would be putting the progress we have made on the field in recent months at far greater risk than if we did support it. That was a risk I was not prepared to take.

I understand perfectly well why many Town fans don't like the thought of John Fenty being in control of our club once more and I fully support the point Super Clive made about John taking more of a back seat and allowing Ian Fleming to run things day to day. But, for all his faults, he is what we are and he wants what we want, namely for the club we all love to do well. If there was any other deal out there, I would happily consider it. But there isn't. I think the emphatic majority in favour of the motion is a huge endorsement of the Trust board and their handling of this issue and any fan who doesn't like the decision and did not join the Trust prior to the vote only have themselves to blame.

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No. I couldn't think of a reason either.

*snigger*

Quoted from STB

Because no one else has shown an interest in investing so much time, effort and money in a club that is running on empty in the lowest league of their proud history.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of JF's previous regime but give him some credit FFS.

Christ on a bike you must be on some strong gear to come out with that statement STB i hereby denounce you for being a quisling!

Quoted from Super Clive

Because we all want to pull in the same direction now maybe?? put the past behind us and kick on.

2nd chance for John..I hope he does things differently...starting with employing a chief executive or keep Ian Fleming in charge so that John can pull the strings behind the scenes like the last few months also for him to step out of the firing line if you like although thats easy for me to say while my money is safely in my bank account.

I have abused him before I won't lie about that but IMO we need to put it behind us and move on now.

fleming as never been in charge he nods and agrees at his master

How about showing your loyalty because he is willing to provide a competitive budget and cut the losses with his  own wealth? It's pretty clear that Fenty loves the club.

Quoted from DarlingtonFC1883

How about showing your loyalty because he is willing to provide a competitive budget and cut the losses with his  own wealth? It's pretty clear that Fenty loves the club.

Whilst still racking up the club's indebtedness to the point where no-one can contemplate an alternative.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Whilst still racking up the club's indebtedness to the point where no-one can contemplate an alternative.

You ******,tell me where all the ivesters where when ramsden was running the show, he inherited a full bag of sh-t blah blah you are so negative its bordering on unhealthy.

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

fleming as never been in charge he nods and agrees at his master

Reread my post..... This is basically what I said.

Quoted from Squarkus

you *******,tell me where all the ivesters where when ramsden was running the show, he inherited a full bag of sh-t blah blah you are so negative its bordering on unhealthy.

Nice healthy debate turns into personal abuse. What a pleasant chap you are.

Sometimes I wish John fenty would just go just to hear what some of these idiots on here would have to say when the club folds. Give the man some credit ffs he's the ONLY reason we've still got a football club.

Quoted from 2578

Sometimes I wish John fenty would just go just to hear what some of these idiots on here would have to say when the club folds. Give the man some credit ffs he's the ONLY reason we've still got a football club.

Fully agree

Quoted from 2578

he's the ONLY reason we've still got a football club.

Maybe but look at the plunge down the leagues under his stewardship - he's tried his best to ensure we haven't

I agree with you DarlintonFC1883
Lets move on , now we have a man in John Fenty prepared to help the club move forward

Quoted from 2578

Sometimes I wish John fenty would just go just to hear what some of these idiots on here would have to say when the club folds. Give the man some credit ffs he's the ONLY reason we've still got a football club.

WHS X10, if that happened we would be sunk and for a minority they would have to face reality in a league 2 or 3 stages below where we are now

Quoted from Garth

WHS X10, if that happened we would be sunk and for a minority they would have to face reality in a league 2 or 3 stages below where we are now

A bit like 10 years ago and now.

Quoted from rancido

We would probably have to be a part-time club to achieve that.

If that means the club being run properly and not spending beyond its means, so be it. Part of the problem the club has at the moment in terms of finances and investment lies with John Fenty. His budgeting on a season by season basis has meant the club has amassed a debt which he personally has to keep topping up each team he and the club gets it wrong. The 2 million "benign loan" is a result of John Fenty putting money into the club and this in my opinion has scared many potential investors away. Why would you want to buy or invest when there's that to deal with first? If John Fenty really did care about the club why doesn't he either turn the "loan" into shares or just write it off? Cod Almighty made some valid points in todays diary about this.

Quoted from 2578

Sometimes I wish John fenty would just go just to hear what some of these idiots on here would have to say when the club folds. Give the man some credit ffs he's the ONLY reason we've still got a football club.

Got to agree with that. He is a fan just like us don't forget! UTM

Has Fenty put in a penny that he has written off. It is all in interest free loans to ensure the debts he runs up will be repayable if someone wants to take over or he keeps control. He could write the debts off now and someone would be more likely to take over, however, for all Fenty's "I'm willing to write the debts off" talk, he has never backed this up with any action.

He isn't going to get his money back, but the club is virtually his property. All because he ran the club unsustainably, picked the wrong managers and threw money at it unwisely at inappopriate times.

It is of course very cute that he's regaining his controlling stake now at a time when things are going smoothly on the pitch.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, of course.

Quoted from 2578

Give the man some credit ffs he's the ONLY reason we've still got a football club.

simply not true, i put some numbers on here the other day proving that the club could of* saved over £2m over the last 6 years.  a similar amount to what the club owes mr fenty.  the reason we're in such a financial mess is down to the board over that period, and mainly one person on that board

what a load of muppetts. just look at the facts, nothing else. he has run the club into the ground and will continue to do so with the help of all you fools. control freak!

Quoted from realityman

what a load of muppetts. just look at the facts, nothing else. he has run the club into the ground and will continue to do so with the help of all you fools. control freak!

And the option is ?

Quoted from pseudonym

And the option is ?

----- to wait for realityman to come up with his cast-iron ,business-sound alternative. I , for one though , won't hold my breath for this.

Stupid Thread in our current situation, games are attracting more fans, the forums are booming, fans are travelling, there's a buzz around the town, we're bringing in new and exiting players all the time, we have a good managment duo.. stop it with negative threads mate.

Quoted from springstomind

Stupid Thread in our current situation, games are attracting more fans, the forums are booming, fans are travelling, there's a buzz around the town, we're bringing in new and exiting players all the time, we have a good managment duo.. stop it with negative threads mate.

I assume you mean exciting players or is it a reference to players exiting as in leaving.

    Quoted from realityman
    what a load of muppetts. just look at the facts, nothing else. he has run the club into the ground and will continue to do so with the help of all you fools. control freak!


Quoted from pseudonym
And the option is ?

Unfortunately there are no options now. Fenty has made sure of that by making Town into non-league club with big debts.
Would you or any one else want to buy a non-league club with loads of debt?

The buck should always stop at the top.
Fenty has been at the top one way or another for ten years so it’s his fault we are where we are now. Simple

Quoted from TAGG

    Quoted from realityman
    what a load of muppetts. just look at the facts, nothing else. he has run the club into the ground and will continue to do so with the help of all you fools. control freak!


Quoted from pseudonym
And the option is ?

Unfortunately there are no options now. Fenty has made sure of that by making Town into non-league club with big debts.
Would you or any one else want to buy a non-league club with loads of debt?

The buck should always stop at the top.
Fenty has been at the top one way or another for ten years so it’s his fault we are where we are now. Simple

Even when we were in the league JF invited people to invest and contribute to the running of the club but I can't seem to remember any takers. Maybe you know different?

Quoted from rancido

Even when we were in the league JF invited people to invest and contribute to the running of the club but I can't seem to remember any takers. Maybe you know different?

mike parker?  but we all know how that ended

Quoted from rancido

Even when we were in the league JF invited people to invest and contribute to the running of the club but I can't seem to remember any takers. Maybe you know different?

You me and every one else only know what Fenty wants us to know. So no I don’t know differently.
I was pointing out where the Buck stops for the years of crap on his watch but it seem most people think the sun shines out of his bottom.
As you may guess I dont like the bloke but we are stuck with him now  

Quoted from rancido

Even when we were in the league JF invited people to invest and contribute to the running of the club but I can't seem to remember any takers. Maybe you know different?

Short memory you fella i could have sworn some geezer through a million quid in the pot and not in loans i might add, fenty got us here its up to him to get us out

Quoted from Harlem mariner

Short memory you fella i could have sworn some geezer through a million quid in the pot and not in loans i might add, fenty got us here its up to him to get us out

How much has Fenty put in then Sparkey? Suspect the shares he has bought must be a mill not to mention loans gaurantees loss of interest etc.

When ITV Digital went bust in 2005, we lost £2,000,000. Didn't Fenty get an agreement with the Inland Revenue to get us by in instalments.

Quoted from pseudonym

When ITV Digital went bust in 2005, we lost £2,000,000. Didn't Fenty get an agreement with the Inland Revenue to get us by in instalments.

Inhereted 700k HMRC debt from the previous administration which was followed by the keep the mariners afloat campaign, after, if i recall correctly ITV digital collpsed 1 year ito 3 year deal.

rather than pay the owed tax through an interest-free loan which could then be paid back in instalments our wonderful board chose to pay it off directly to hmrc at a penal rate of interest (at least that's my understanding, please put me right if this is in anyway wrong).  does anyone know the actual interest paid on this?  if i remember rightly, this was the time when david burns and john fenty had a fall out because the radio presenter asked a reasonable question.  also, when the club was described as a "community asset"

2002.

Quoted from STB

Because no one else has shown an interest in investing so much time, effort and money in a club that is running on empty in the lowest league of their proud history.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of JF's previous regime but give him some credit FFS.

Hmmmmm! Another few years of this investment, time and effort ..........

Quoted from TWAreaTownSupporter

Hmmmmm! Another few years of this investment, time and effort ..........

ive said before you know very little about football but you are spot on with the above

Quoted from Denby

rather than pay the owed tax through an interest-free loan which could then be paid back in instalments our wonderful board chose to pay it off directly to hmrc at a penal rate of interest (at least that's my understanding, please put me right if this is in anyway wrong).  does anyone know the actual interest paid on this?  if i remember rightly, this was the time when david burns and john fenty had a fall out because the radio presenter asked a reasonable question.  also, when the club was described as a "community asset"

I believe you are correct.

I would like to know how much we were paying back to the taxman each season, whilst at the same time paying back JF £150K+ as compensation for Ramsden trying to liquidate the club to get his money back.  How much did Ramsden want back.

Quoted from Marinerz93

I believe you are correct.

I would like to know how much we were paying back to the taxman each season, whilst at the same time paying back JF £150K+ as compensation for Ramsden trying to liquidate the club to get his money back. How much did Ramsden want back.

Too many fans forget this episode , at least JF is not intentionally trying to ruin the club. I have been watching town since 1965 and in that time I have never known anybody willing to put money into the club like JF has. At least JF is willing to fund new players. I recall when Lyons was manager he was instructed by the board to sell players for whatever he could get for them instead of the board getting their cheque books out. It was only the fans subscriptions that allowed Joe Waters to come here because the board wouldn't pay for him. When we were strapped for cash the board sold the Peaks Lane Training Ground instead of dipping in their pockets.If you look into the past we never have had Board members or chairmen willing to do what JF has done. JF says the loans are benign and he wont press the club for the money until it can afford it and I have no reason to doubt that. As I have said on here many times before I am neither pro or anti JF but until someone better comes along then he is all we have.

Quoted from rancido

Too many fans forget this episode , at least JF is not intentionally trying to ruin the club. I have been watching town since 1965 and in that time I have never known anybody willing to put money into the club like JF has. At least JF is willing to fund new players. I recall when Lyons was manager he was instructed by the board to sell players for whatever he could get for them instead of the board getting their cheque books out. It was only the fans subscriptions that allowed Joe Waters to come here because the board wouldn't pay for him. When we were strapped for cash the board sold the Peaks Lane Training Ground instead of dipping in their pockets.If you look into the past we never have had Board members or chairmen willing to do what JF has done. JF says the loans are benign and he wont press the club for the money until it can afford it and I have no reason to doubt that. As I have said on here many times before I am neither pro or anti JF but until someone better comes along then he is all we have.

Fenty as had no choice but to spend under his administration we have sunk to a all time low in over 100 yrs of history hes continually made bad choices and as riddled the club with massive debt.  If he walked away now and said thats it im done im certain we would survive

Quoted from rancido

Too many fans forget this episode , at least JF is not intentionally trying to ruin the club. I have been watching town since 1965 and in that time I have never known anybody willing to put money into the club like JF has. At least JF is willing to fund new players. I recall when Lyons was manager he was instructed by the board to sell players for whatever he could get for them instead of the board getting their cheque books out. It was only the fans subscriptions that allowed Joe Waters to come here because the board wouldn't pay for him. When we were strapped for cash the board sold the Peaks Lane Training Ground instead of dipping in their pockets.If you look into the past we never have had Board members or chairmen willing to do what JF has done. JF says the loans are benign and he wont press the club for the money until it can afford it and I have no reason to doubt that. As I have said on here many times before I am neither pro or anti JF but until someone better comes along then he is all we have.

What's happened in the past is irrelevant to the present and, more particularly, the future. If the debts are benign then JF should make them properly benign by converting them into shares. By doing what he is doing now, the club is completely unattractive to external investment and any potential investor will look at the breakdown (for want of a better word) in the relationship between Fenty and Parker and think 'that's not for me'.

My own view is that JF is keen to keep control and his recent actions indicate that is true. He has made noises of a threatening nature whilst knowing that he is (now Parker is off the scene) the only viable alternative whilst the club's finances are what they are.

Quoted from rancido

Too many fans forget this episode , at least JF is not intentionally trying to ruin the club. I have been watching town since 1965 and in that time I have never known anybody willing to put money into the club like JF has. At least JF is willing to fund new players. I recall when Lyons was manager he was instructed by the board to sell players for whatever he could get for them instead of the board getting their cheque books out. It was only the fans subscriptions that allowed Joe Waters to come here because the board wouldn't pay for him. When we were strapped for cash the board sold the Peaks Lane Training Ground instead of dipping in their pockets.If you look into the past we never have had Board members or chairmen willing to do what JF has done. JF says the loans are benign and he wont press the club for the money until it can afford it and I have no reason to doubt that. As I have said on here many times before I am neither pro or anti JF but until someone better comes along then he is all we have.

I partially agree with you especially the historic board room power struggles, however I would say Paddy Hamilton and Bill Carr were exceptions to this.  The thorns in my side with JF are

1.  Why did he and the board allow MP to fulfill his £500k investment by buying shares and JF not matching him like they both stated 'shoulder to shoulder'  this is the crux of the share fiasco
2.  Why weren't the promised changes done that were agreed to MP (main reason why he walked)
3.  Why has he put a block on MP gifting further shares to the trust.
4.  Why did he insist on being paid back the money he loaned the club when Ramsden wanted his money back, why not put it as a benign loan.  the reason I mention this is because what he was being paid back was a factor on the quality of players we had, how many decent players at league 2 level would over £150k brought to the club.
5.  Why haven't the minutes to that meeting were they agreed how to fund the club ie loans/shares haven't been published, it would put to bed a lot of speculation.

These questions will not be answered by JF, I just want the club to be run properly and not in the manner that has seen us fall so far.  No one will come in whilst that mountain of debt is anchored around us.  If I was in his position I would be moving heaven and earth to rectify why we have fallen so far.  It's all down to JF and he really needs to pull out some rabbits out the hat because all he's pulled out so far is knats pubes.

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

ive said before you know very little about football but you are spot on with the above

Dapperz, how do you know how much I know about football? Are my test results on line somewhere? What should I work on for my retakes?

Legally you don't know what you can say on a forum but one person could have been aware of a friend which could have been a very reputable source, who could have been friends a very rich Grimsby fan and may have been interested in investing in Grimsby a few years back but may have been put off by a certain individual and potentially unreasonable demands... but hey, that's all speculation, or is it? Maybe it could be...

Anyway, awesome future going forward... in present form... I still can't fathom a trust giving away free shares. Talk about held to ransom.

I doubt we'll ever get answers to those questions Marinerz. They were asked plenty of times in the run up to the vote and no proper answers were given. Only bluster by some of the pro camp about "what is your alternative" or "you're just anti-Fenty".

You have to conclude that the answers are too embarrassing for some people. Happy to be proved wrong on that.