Crowd yesterday compared to others

towns att yesterday 4076 with 177 fleetwood,,scunnys att 4,675 (830 away).

If you take away the away attendance we had 3899 fans and the scunts had 3845 fans. Massive club scunny  

Scunny are in league 1 and we just lost our 1st game in the conference. Bet they're gutted at having less fans at the game than us

Quoted from bradzmilne

If you take away the away attendance we had 3899 fans and the scunts had 3845 fans. Massive club scunny  

The only thing that matters is what you do on the pitch.

If we carry on like this we wont have a club at all.

I like banter as much as anyone,but we are hardly in a position to "Lord it" over our neighbours are we?  

Can we ban posts comparing attendances. It has no bearing on what we see week in week out. It doesn't matter what Scunny get at home or take away. What matters is that they are a better run club who are way ahead of us at the minute.

Let's focus on supporting Town in the hope that we can climb the leagues.

Quoted from Happy_Mariner

Can we ban posts comparing attendances. It has no bearing on what we see week in week out. It doesn't matter what Scunny get at home or take away. What matters is that they are a better run club who are way ahead of us at the minute.

Let's focus on supporting Town in the hope that we can climb the leagues.

not such a "Happy Mariner" this morning then!its all about opinions and its a site that discusses all aspects about football!crowds been one of them sorry!

Attendances aren't purely a cosmetic thing though. How are Scunny supposed to sustain League One football on similar gates to us when can't even come close to returning a profit paying Conference salaries?

In the past they've done it by selling the likes of Sharp, Keogh, Paterson and Hooper for millions apiece, but that in itself isn't sustainable.

On a related note, how did we manage to finish below the likes of Bath City and Newport County last season when they achieve just a fraction of our attendances?

Why have people become obsessed with attendances of recent years. I don't just mean town fans but fans in general. Attendances mean intercourse all truth be told when discussing actual successes etc...you only have to look at Newcastle...lots of fans but no success, they are fundamentally the same as every other team in leagues 1-2 just get more fans, yes they may be in the overpaid league but their success is limited to say the least.

We should start lording it over scunny when we get promoted, average 5000 at home ad they end up back in the same league as us and we are beating them...

Quoted from Poojah

Attendances aren't purely a cosmetic thing though. How are Scunny supposed to sustain League One football on similar gates to us when can't even come close to returning a profit paying Conference salaries?

In the past they've done it by selling the likes of Sharp, Keogh, Paterson and Hooper for millions apiece, but that in itself isn't sustainable.

On a related note, how did we manage to finish below the likes of Bath City and Newport County last season when they achieve just a fraction of our attendances?

WHS

Quoted from Poojah

Attendances aren't purely a cosmetic thing though. How are Scunny supposed to sustain League One football on similar gates to us when can't even come close to returning a profit paying Conference salaries?

In the past they've done it by selling the likes of Sharp, Keogh, Paterson and Hooper for millions apiece, but that in itself isn't sustainable.

On a related note, how did we manage to finish below the likes of Bath City and Newport County last season when they achieve just a fraction of our attendances?

Surely Scunthorpe's recruitment has been outstanding during the last few years. They have given young lads a chance who have all gone on to play top flight football for substantial profit for Scunny. That has allowed them to stay up in the Championship/ League 1 and we should admire that and wonder why they can pull in that quality of player and we can't.

When we were playing at their level how many players did we move on to Premieship clubs for big money? John Oster is one I can think of.

I think we got a pretty good fee for Gary Croft too when he left us and there was also Wilko when he went to Everton

Quoted from Poojah

Attendances aren't purely a cosmetic thing though. How are Scunny supposed to sustain League One football on similar gates to us when can't even come close to returning a profit paying Conference salaries?

In the past they've done it by selling the likes of Sharp, Keogh, Paterson and Hooper for millions apiece, but that in itself isn't sustainable.

On a related note, how did we manage to finish below the likes of Bath City and Newport County last season when they achieve just a fraction of our attendances?

because our chairman is a Cuntt and scunny, bath and newport are well run.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

because our chairman is a Cuntt and scunny, bath and newport are well run.

  have to say harsh  but  i am with robert johnson on this one

Quoted from aldi_01

Why have people become obsessed with attendances of recent years. I don't just mean town fans but fans in general. Attendances mean intercourse all truth be told when discussing actual successes etc...you only have to look at Newcastle...lots of fans but no success, they are fundamentally the same as every other team in leagues 1-2 just get more fans, yes they may be in the overpaid league but their success is limited to say the least.

We should start lording it over scunny when we get promoted, average 5000 at home ad they end up back in the same league as us and we are beating them...

People are obsessed with attendences because its the only thing that looks good about our club, until we get back in the mens league its their only way of getting one over Scunny.

Frankly I couldn't care if 10 people turned up as long as we won, fans don't win games.

Don't be soft, attendences are important, look at Stoke,Leeds,Man City,Norwhich and Southampton, having crowds have helped them get out of the English third tier.

We need a good season, we need fans backing and then we may see more businesses and potential investers coming forward. 4000 is good enough to be a mid table league One side ffs!

Also I agree many of these clubs with small fan bases often fail to keep funding a team and then drop down the leagues.

Should Dave Whelan ever pull his money from Wigan Atheletic then they are stuff imo.

Quoted from marinerian

Don't be soft, attendences are important, look at Stoke,Leeds,Man City,Norwhich and Southampton, having crowds have helped them get out of the English third tier.

We need a good season, we need fans backing and then we may see more businesses and potential investers coming forward. 4000 is good enough to be a mid table league One side ffs!
Also I agree many of these clubs with small fan bases often fail to keep funding a team and then drop down the leagues.

Should Dave Whelan ever pull his money from Wigan Atheletic then they are stuff imo.

Then why is it that even with not far off those attendances we seem to be losing money hand over fist and thats a "mid table" conference side ????????????????????????????????

Someone on here reported the club had sold 3,000 tickets plus away 177 plus STH 1,600,

That makes 4,777   did we have nearly 800 STH on holiday then ?

Quoted from marinerian

Don't be soft, attendences are important, look at Stoke,Leeds,Man City,Norwhich and Southampton, having crowds have helped them get out of the English third tier.

We need a good season, we need fans backing and then we may see more businesses and potential investers coming forward. 4000 is good enough to be a mid table league One side ffs!

Also I agree many of these clubs with small fan bases often fail to keep funding a team and then drop down the leagues.

Should Dave Whelan ever pull his money from Wigan Atheletic then they are stuff imo.

Attendences do nothing but give you abit of income, us Mansfield, and Wrexham had around 4000 fans yesterday, only 4 games in Lge 2 had better crowds, and us 3 had better crowds than 4 games in lge 1, yet were down here. Crowds mean F all.

Look at clubs like Accrington, Macclesfield, Dagenha etc. they seem to be doing just fine on stupid attendences.

We also did fine on average attendences of around 6000 in the championship for 10 years.

Once we start winning on the pitch and climbing the league again can we start bragging about crowds sizes.

Quoted from marinerian

4000 is good enough to be a mid table league One side ffs!

Yes it is.

What an indictment of the way the club has been run these past ten years.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Someone on here reported the club had sold 3,000 tickets plus away 177 plus STH 1,600,

That makes 4,777   did we have nearly 800 STH on holiday then ?

It was Biccys Pete....I think someone must have fed him a bit of duff info about the sales because like you say I can't imagine half of the ST holders didn't show up

Quoted from Civvy at last

Then why is it that even with not far off those attendances we seem to be losing money hand over fist and thats a "mid table" conference side ????????????????????????????????

Damn good question - anyone know ?
Because of the running costs of BP ?
£900K loss/year seems a hell of a lot if that's the only reason though.
Because we also overstretched our finances with our "competitive budget" trying to bounce back ?

Fenty can talk about supporting managers all he likes but in hindsight think we should have found a decent manager first before trusting him(Woods) with so much money. Just hope we're not making the same mistake this time too - part time football would be a disaster.  
In Scott and Hurst we trust !

Quoted from FishOutOfWater

It was Biccys Pete....I think someone must have fed him a bit of duff info about the sales because like you say I can't imagine half of the ST holders didn't show up

It was indeed me and you're right, I just passed on what the ticket office told me after I asked the question. She said "About 3000 so far so should be a 4000+ crowd" which seemed odd when we had sold 1800 st's.. Bottom line, we had over 4000 there so she was right but may have exaggerated the number sold when I called.

Quoted from bradzmilne

If you take away the away attendance we had 3899 fans and the scunts had 3845 fans. Massive club scunny  

What you're really saying is Scunthorpe are way above us at the minute, and their doing it with lower income than us, making their position over us look even more impressive.

Quoted from cocky

What you're really saying is Scunthorpe are way above us at the minute, and their doing it with lower income than us, making their position over us look even more impressive.

Not when you factor in TV money. Not that attendances really make a deal of difference to a clubs standing.

Quoted from Biccys

Not when you factor in TV money. Not that attendances really make a deal of difference to a clubs standing.

Do you really think TV money in League 1 is that much?

It's a damn sight more than we get in BSP, yes.

http://www.ciderspace.co.uk/asp/news/news.asp?NewsItemId=14780

Dunno if true but this states L1 clubs get £656,000 but is reducing by £170k. That's still £486k...

Quoted from Biccys

http://www.ciderspace.co.uk/asp/news/news.asp?NewsItemId=14780

Dunno if true but this states L1 clubs get £656,000 but is reducing by £170k. That's still £486k...

Which is about £480k more than were getting now!

According to the Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/spo.....most-70-million.html

195 million in a 3 year deal. Means 195/3 = 65/72 = 0.9/3 = 0.3 or 300k a season. Of course that doesnt take into account the fact that League 1 sides will get less money than Championship sides.

The last I saw Scunthorpe announced a 500k loss, which didnt include the sale of Gary Hooper for 1.5million.. Their wage bill was around the 5 million mark - you can gaurantee thats a damn site more than ours and yet we are facing a 900k loss.

That 300k a season would still leave us with a 600k loss every season.

Quoted from Civvy at last

Then why is it that even with not far off those attendances we seem to be losing money hand over fist and thats a "mid table" conference side ????????????????????????????????

The simple fact is that we've been paying off the Chairman's mistakes for the last ten years. Every time he appoints the wrong person and gives them a long contract, it costs us. Every time said useless manager gives 3 year contracts to utter toss, it costs us. This is why we're in the position we're in.

Quoted from biggles9999

According to the Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/spo.....most-70-million.html

195 million in a 3 year deal. Means 195/3 = 65/72 = 0.9/3 = 0.3 or 300k a season. Of course that doesnt take into account the fact that League 1 sides will get less money than Championship sides.

The last I saw Scunthorpe announced a 500k loss, which didnt include the sale of Gary Hooper for 1.5million.. Their wage bill was around the 5 million mark - you can gaurantee thats a damn site more than ours and yet we are facing a 900k loss.

That 300k a season would still leave us with a 600k loss every season.

But it's still £300k more than we have now... I don't think that £300k would be turned down just because we lose £900k a year.

I wasnt saying we would. But it shows thats its clearly not the TV revenue which is helping Scunthorpe with their 'low' attendances. Scunthorpe also have free tickets for U7's, something we dont - we still charge 8-6 pound regardless of age. I know there wont be many U7's but every little helps.

I was making the point that if Scunthorpe have similar attendances to us, only 300k more a season in tv revenue, imo have better offers on tickets and a wage bill at around 5 million a year then we must be doing something seriously wrong somewhere to be losing 400k a year more than them.

Fair comments. They've had a couple of half decent cup games too (albeit at home, not like Creepy's soujourn to Old Trafford!) but the number of players they've sold on for profit is an achievement to aspire to.

don,t be too quick to praise scunny as a well run club.most of the supporters would welcome Whartons departure as often expressed on iron bru.Our rise has been somewhat fortunate and can be traced back to drawing chelsea away whilst we were in Div.2.The income from that allowed us to buy Billy Sharpe.Every club at our level needs to have a lucky draw or two  to survive,we recently have had more than our fair share of late with several being televised.God knows where we would be without that money.Probably in the same league as yourselves.
It is however very apparent that something is very wrong at BP which continues to give us some small comfort.

Quoted from ruraliron

don,t be too quick to praise scunny as a well run club.most of the supporters would welcome Whartons departure as often expressed on iron bru.Our rise has been somewhat fortunate and can be traced back to drawing chelsea away whilst we were in Div.2.The income from that allowed us to buy Billy Sharpe.Every club at our level needs to have a lucky draw or two  to survive,we recently have had more than our fair share of late with several being televised.God knows where we would be without that money.Probably in the same league as yourselves.
It is however very apparent that something is very wrong at BP which continues to give us some small comfort.

Whatever gives you that idea?!