I have just read in the Guardian that the Luton CEO is "pleading" with the fans not to chant in support of Tommy Robinson, the EDL leader.

I would imagine it will have the opposite effect and the chant will now be reverberating around Kennilworth Road for the forseeable future.

Free speech is still applicable at football grounds is it not?

Suppose if you want to chant for a serial fraudster, career criminal, friend of paedophiles then that’s your shout...


https://kittysjones.wordpress.com/2018/05/29/the-edl-have-paedophiles-in-their-ranks-but-tommy-robinson-evidently-doesnt-condemn-them/amp/

Quoted from ska face

Suppose if you want to chant for a serial fraudster, career criminal, friend of paedophiles then that’s your shout...

The chant was at West Brom in the cup and was shouted down by the vast majority within seconds.  Unfortunately the brummie times picked up on it and produced an article. It has now snowballed out of control.

If there is a chant it will undoubtedly divide support and can only end in tears.

I am slightly confused though. Because according to some on here, things like that only happen at our club or on our message board 😉

Quoted from ska face

Suppose if you want to chant for a serial fraudster, career criminal, friend of paedophiles then that’s your shout...


https://kittysjones.wordpress.com/2018/05/29/the-edl-have-paedophiles-in-their-ranks-but-tommy-robinson-evidently-doesnt-condemn-them/amp/

But he has condemned them but you just never hear it because they don't report it. Anyway there aren't any white British gangs raping 1000s systematically. All rape is bad but attacking Tommy for words when you ignore a genuine problem shows you to be weak. Weak men created these problems.

Quoted from ska face

Suppose if you want to chant for a serial fraudster, career criminal, friend of paedophiles then that’s your shout...


https://kittysjones.wordpress.com/2018/05/29/the-edl-have-paedophiles-in-their-ranks-but-tommy-robinson-evidently-doesnt-condemn-them/amp/

You forgot wife beater....though i guess career criminal is a bit of a catch all.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I have just read in the Guardian that the Luton CEO is "pleading" with the fans not to chant in support of Tommy Robinson, the EDL leader.

I would imagine it will have the opposite effect and the chant will now be reverberating around Kennilworth Road for the forseeable future.

Free speech is still applicable at football grounds is it not?

You mean like asking people not to chant in support of Tommy Robinson?

I personally enjoyed him in Blackadder and Time Team.

Quoted from Grantley

I personally enjoyed him in Blackadder and Time Team.

Oddly enough that's where the NF BNP EDL get their ideas from...

Quoted from Grantley

I personally enjoyed him in Blackadder and Time Team.

Phil was much better on time team, them nails 🤮

There is a thread on the "Non Football Forum" for all this. Maybe best posting on there rather on taking this away from anything to do with football.

https://forum.thefishy.co.uk/Blah.pl?m-1527300011/s-150/

Or delete it altogether before it become the same ****ing thread I see on 99% of social media.

I come here for a break.

Quoted from 140381

Or delete it altogether before it become the same ****ing thread I see on 99% of social media.

I come here for a break.

Just ignore it then. It is interesting to me anyway, being football related on a football forum, but each to their own.

Is it as bad as chanting 'the Yorkshire Ripper is our friend he kills Yorkies"

Quoted from Les Brechin

There is a thread on the "Non Football Forum" for all this. Maybe best posting on there rather on taking this away from anything to do with football.

https://forum.thefishy.co.uk/Blah.pl?m-1527300011/s-150/

Eh? Aren't Luton Town anything to do with football? If you think I am going to scour all other threads to check whether someone may have posted something vaguely similar youv'e got another think coming. What could be more appropriate on a football forum about a story that broke today about a football club?

Strange how the EDL supporters are only ever up in arms about the Asian rape gangs and don't seem to say much about the other nationalities/religious origins involved in sex trade human trafficking in this country or the Anglican/Catholic churches whose clergy have been found guilty numerous times for sexual misdemeanours with hundreds of young boys

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Eh? Aren't Luton Town anything to do with football? If you think I am going to scour all other threads to check whether someone may have posted something vaguely similar youv'e got another think coming. What could be more appropriate on a football forum about a story that broke today about a football club?

Yes, Luton Town are a football club but (in my opinion) the way the thread was going it looked like it was just going to descend into a pro and against Tommy Robinson/EDL argument which has no relation to football at all.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I have just read in the Guardian that the Luton CEO is "pleading" with the fans not to chant in support of Tommy Robinson, the EDL leader.

I would imagine it will have the opposite effect and the chant will now be reverberating around Kennilworth Road for the forseeable future.

Free speech is still applicable at football grounds is it not?

People object to free speech everywhere ,free speech is not even allowed on The Fishy

Free speech is only tolerated when it's agreed with .

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

Strange how the EDL supporters are only ever up in arms about the Asian rape gangs and don't seem to say much about the other nationalities/religious origins involved in sex trade human trafficking in this country or the Anglican/Catholic churches whose clergy have been found guilty numerous times for sexual misdemeanours with hundreds of young boys

You say “ whose clergy have been found guilty numerous times” well until the likes of the EDL came along, these Muslim rape gangs were systematically raping and sodomising our vulnerable children up and down the Country and were not being brought to justice! This was going on for decades without the fear of prosecution because the authorities were more scared of being labelled racist!
And the sad thing is it’s still happening as we’ve seen in the news this week.

But maybe you’d like things to go back to the way things were, when ‘scum’ like Tommy Robinson and his ilk were nowhere to be seen🤔

Quoted from Grim74

You say “ whose clergy have been found guilty numerous times” well until the likes of the EDL came along, these Muslim rape gangs were systematically raping and sodomising our vulnerable children up and down the Country and were not being brought to justice! This was going on for decades without the fear of prosecution because the authorities were more scared of being labelled racist!
And the sad thing is it’s still happening as we’ve seen in the news this week.

But maybe you’d like things to go back to the way things were, when ‘scum’ like Tommy Robinson and his ilk were nowhere to be seen🤔

It’s sad to see young people radicalised by Tommy Robinson, it’s even sadder when proper grown ups buy into his ridiculous nonsense.

Tommy Robinson doesn’t give a excrement about the people he’s using to create his ridiculous videos on his news channel. It’s all about views and money.

To suggest the EDL are some sort of saviours and protectors of the people is laughable. They are a radical extremist group that prey on the fears of the vulnerable and naive.

Quoted from Grim74

You say “ whose clergy have been found guilty numerous times” well until the likes of the EDL came along, these Muslim rape gangs were systematically raping and sodomising our vulnerable children up and down the Country and were not being brought to justice! This was going on for decades without the fear of prosecution because the authorities were more scared of being labelled racist!
And the sad thing is it’s still happening as we’ve seen in the news this week.

But maybe you’d like things to go back to the way things were, when ‘scum’ like Tommy Robinson and his ilk were nowhere to be seen🤔

:) might have known you'd pipe up. I'd dispute that the EDL played any part in bringing them to justice - more like jumped on the bandwagon to justify their vile racist beliefs The (mainly) Catholic priests, senior politicians, Barry Bennell, half the 1970's TV entertainers and a multitude of other non-muslim people no doubt have been raping and sodomising our vulnerable children up and down the Country also - but you conveniently forget about all that and focus on the muslims - because you and the rest of the EDL are racist to the core.

Grooming gangs brought to justice by the EDL - 0

Money diverted from local police services to babysit pisscans and knuckle draggers on EDL marches - £millions


Well done guys! You’re the real heroes!

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I have just read in the Guardian that the Luton CEO is "pleading" with the fans not to chant in support of Tommy Robinson, the EDL leader.

I would imagine it will have the opposite effect and the chant will now be reverberating around Kennilworth Road for the forseeable future.

Free speech is still applicable at football grounds is it not?

I don't really know what to read into this post-as I  can't tell from this post what your thoughts are-I guessed you read the Guardian

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

:) might have known you'd pipe up. I'd dispute that the EDL played any part in bringing them to justice - more like jumped on the bandwagon to justify their vile racist beliefs The (mainly) Catholic priests, senior politicians, Barry Bennell, half the 1970's TV entertainers and a multitude of other non-muslim people no doubt have been raping and sodomising our vulnerable children up and down the Country also - but you conveniently forget about all that and focus on the muslims - because you and the rest of the EDL are racist to the core.

Not on the same ball park! The Muslim rape gangs have been doing it on an industrial scale. You’re comparing mostly predatory paedophilies to organised gang rape in the name of a cult. If saying that makes me racist(even though once again cult followers are not a race) them I must be a racist.

Quoted from Grim74

Not on the same ball park! The Muslim rape gangs have been doing it on an industrial scale. You’re comparing mostly predatory paedophilies to organised gang rape in the name of a cult. If saying that makes me racist(even though once again cult followers are not a race) them I must be a racist.

You are not a well man

Quoted from golfer

I don't really know what to read into this post-as I  can't tell from this post what your thoughts are-I guessed you read the Guardian

I am slightly to the right of Attila the Hun, but I read the Guardian and most papers online to see what the opposition is up to.

...and this is why

His name is like a ****ing dog whistle.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

It’s sad to see young people radicalised by Tommy Robinson, it’s even sadder when proper grown ups buy into his ridiculous nonsense.

Tommy Robinson doesn’t give a excrement about the people he’s using to create his ridiculous videos on his news channel. It’s all about views and money.

To suggest the EDL are some sort of saviours and protectors of the people is laughable. They are a radical extremist group that prey on the fears of the vulnerable and naive.

Surely not as "radical" as Asian grooming gangs in most of our major cities who think our teenage (and younger) children are fair game to be passed about like meat? Robinson and his ilk can go too far sometimes, but they are not the perpetrators of rape on a mass scale are they?

Who is this “our” you talk about? Be careful not to generalise now...

Quoted from ska face

Who is this “our” you talk about? Be careful not to generalise now...

Is that the best response you have got? Many thousands of our country's children have been gang raped on an industrial scale by Asian gangs and that is your response?

Is this non football yet?

Quoted from Les Brechin

Yes, Luton Town are a football club but (in my opinion) the way the thread was going it looked like it was just going to descend into a pro and against Tommy Robinson/EDL argument which has no relation to football at all.

Then again, I could be wrong. (wallbash)

Tommy Robinson isn't even his real name.
He's a self parody.

Quoted from chaos33

Tommy Robinson isn't even his real name.
He's a self parody.

Having a double barreled name doesn't square with his image though does it. Much better to have a good old British name like Tommy Robinson.

Jimmy Savile was described as one of the single worst sex offenders the country has ever seen - but only the muslims are doing it on an industrial scale.  ::)

Quoted from Grim74

Not on the same ball park! The Muslim rape gangs have been doing it on an industrial scale. You’re comparing mostly predatory paedophilies to organised gang rape in the name of a cult. If saying that makes me racist(even though once again cult followers are not a race) them I must be a racist.

You think that paedophiles work alone?

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Surely not as "radical" as Asian grooming gangs in most of our major cities who think our teenage (and younger) children are fair game to be passed about like meat? Robinson and his ilk can go too far sometimes, but they are not the perpetrators of rape on a mass scale are they?

It’s not a game of what’s worse? You’ll not find anyone who thinks grooming and sexual abuse by anyone is not totally abhorrent.

The EDL and Tommy Robinson do nothing to stop these crimes happening. They use these horrific occurances to point hate at their chosen group. They use fake news to brainwash and confuse people into following their bullshit.

If you think organised grooming is an exclusively Asian thing then you’re mistaken.

Whether they are Muslims or Christians anybody who does these things against children should be castrated and then have their necks stretched-I feel that strongly.

Quoted from Grim74

Not on the same ball park! The Muslim rape gangs have been doing it on an industrial scale. You’re comparing mostly predatory paedophilies to organised gang rape in the name of a cult. If saying that makes me racist(even though once again cult followers are not a race) them I must be a racist.

Believe what you want, in my mind you have proven many times in numerous threads that you are a racist. I don’t believe for one minute that you would give much more than a shrug of the shoulders to the rape gang scandal if the gangs were British (Of which I am sure there probably will be some that come out of the woodwork over time].

Interesting that on the full fact website iit says 90% of known child sex offenders are white
https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/

Quoted from Grim74

Not on the same ball park! The Muslim rape gangs have been doing it on an industrial scale. You’re comparing mostly predatory paedophilies to organised gang rape in the name of a cult. If saying that makes me racist(even though once again cult followers are not a race) them I must be a racist.

Agree completely. Our kids mean nothing to them, they are kaffir to do what they want with.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

It’s not a game of what’s worse? You’ll not find anyone who thinks grooming and sexual abuse by anyone is not totally abhorrent.

The EDL and Tommy Robinson do nothing to stop these crimes happening. They use these horrific occurances to point hate at their chosen group. They use fake news to brainwash and confuse people into following their bullshit.

If you think organised grooming is an exclusively Asian thing then you’re mistaken.

Who else does it on such a scale? Was it 1400 children in Rotherham alone? What other group passes around young English girls for rape - I would let the authorities know if you know who they are. Even if there are other groups, why would that preclude the EDL from highlighting the problem of Asian gangs?

If you think the EDL and Asian grooming gangs need condemning equally I find that very alarming to be honest.

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

Interesting that on the full fact website iit says 90% of known child sex offenders are white
https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/

I suppose in a mainly white country that will be true, but that is not the issue.

Some Luton fans were singing in support of Tommy Robinson who has tried to highlight the abuse by Asian grooming gangs of white children, and they have been asked to stop. The point of my original post is that if people cannot show support for children who have been treated in such an abhorrent way, then do we still have free speech in this country?

Football?

Most right thinking, decent people in this country will be appalled by child raping gangs but wouldn't choose to express that by supporting Tommy  Robinson, who isn't actually real.

Racists and rapists are equally disgusting.

Jeez... I’ve just posted facts showing that 90% of known child sex offenders are white, and you continue to ignore that fact and concentrate on the Muslim offenders. Stop kidding yourselves that similar numbers of victims aren’t affected by non Muslim gangs.

Quoted from 75

Agree completely. Our kids mean nothing to them, they are kaffir to do what they want with.

How can anyone disagree with this post? The gangs (well some of them)  have been through the legal system, and have been found guilty of rape of teenage and younger white girls on an industrial scale, so of course our kids mean nothing to them - its obvious and has been proved through the courts.

Tommy Robinson and Rotherham MP Sarah Champion have been abused, spat at, endured horrendous mental and physical abuse for highliting the problem, so it is difficult to understand why anybody here could disagree with the Vicars post.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

The point of my original post is that if people cannot show support for children who have been treated in such an abhorrent way, then do we still have free speech in this country?

So. You admit yourself it had intercourse all to do with football and everything to do with shitstirring then?

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

Jeez... I’ve just posted facts showing that 90% of known child sex offenders are white, and you continue to ignore that fact and concentrate on the Muslim offenders. Stop kidding yourselves that similar numbers of victims aren’t affected by non Muslim gangs.

I don't know why you are concentrating on this aspect of the discussion. Luton Town (football)  fans were chanting in support of Tommy Robinson who has highlighted the sexual exploitation of mainly English white girls by Asian gangs. The issue is whether they have free speech to voice such support, as their CEO has asked for it to stop. Nobody disputes the fact that abuse happens throughout society, but there is a particular problem with (mainly) Pakistani men who have systematically abused thousands of young white girls.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I suppose in a mainly white country that will be true, but that is not the issue.

Some Luton fans were singing in support of Tommy Robinson who has tried to highlight the abuse by Asian grooming gangs of white children, and they have been asked to stop. The point of my original post is that if people cannot show support for children who have been treated in such an abhorrent way, then do we still have free speech in this country?

If you reversed the scenario and it was Asian fans singing support for a far right Muslim group who were up in arms because white gangs were grooming Asian girls then would you think that was appropriate at a football match?

Quoted from 140381

So. You admit yourself it had intercourse all to do with football and everything to do with shitstirring then?

No - I wouldn't have raised the subject  (and never have on any forum) but Luton Town fans were told to stop singing their support of Tommy Robinson so suddenly it was football related.

If Town fans were asked to stop singing something that was contentious I would be equally concerned because I am a great believer in free speech.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I don't know why you are concentrating on this aspect of the discussion. Luton Town (football)  fans were chanting in support of Tommy Robinson who has highlighted the sexual exploitation of mainly English white girls by Asian gangs. The issue is whether they have free speech to voice such support, as their CEO has asked for it to stop. Nobody disputes the fact that abuse happens throughout society, but there is a particular problem with (mainly) Pakistani men who have systematically abused thousands of young white girls.

It's as simple as that. Why are so many so keen on sweeping this absolute outrage under the carpet? Our media barely mention it, or refer to the mainly Pakistani monsters as 'Asian' or similar. Well I don't see to many Japanese involved, they are Muslims, they do it as their koran instructs them to take non believer (kaffir) sex slaves. Their prophet Mohammed married a child, that's their idol.

I’m sorry but it’s blatanly obvious what the agenda is here and I’m done with it. There’s a million forums arguing this bloody point and I come here (not unreasonably) to read and post about football. Have fun.

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

If you reversed the scenario and it was Asian fans singing support for a far right Muslim group who were up in arms because white gangs were grooming Asian girls then would you think that was appropriate at a football match?

Could you try again with a more realistic scenario? That is just ridiculous. In the unlikely event of it happening then yes of course they could chant their displeasure at a football ground which was relevant to the case - as Tommy Robinson is to Luton.  

I knew we had a few racist girl privates within our ranks, but Jesus, we seem to be infested.

Quoted from TheRealJohnLewis

I knew we had a few racist girl privates within our ranks, but Jesus, we seem to be infested.

What the heck are you on about? What is racist about it?

Can't we mention Asian gangs raping white children because you think its racist? All rapes are abhorrent, but the discussion is about whether Luton fans can sing their support for Tommy Robinson who has highlighted the systematic abuse of white children by Asian grooming gangs.  

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

No - I wouldn't have raised the subject  (and never have on any forum) but Luton Town fans were told to stop singing their support of Tommy Robinson so suddenly it was football related.

If Town fans were asked to stop singing something that was contentious I would be equally concerned because I am a great believer in free speech.

Your right to freedom of speech is currently protected under the human rights act so don't fret.

Might need to point out that this only applies to government intervention though.

Luton Town not being a government agency they could introduce restrictions as part of terms and conditions for entry I suppose.

TBH if it makes it easier to identify the headcases let them sing.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Could you try again with a more realistic scenario? That is just ridiculous. In the unlikely event of it happening then yes of course they could chant their displeasure at a football ground which was relevant to the case - as Tommy Robinson is to Luton.  

For some strange reason I don’t believe you.

Robinson - not a real person - was born in Luton. Is it just possible that a few Luton fans are singing his name because they see him as 'one of their own' and perhaps agree with some of the EDL sentiments, more so than they are attempting to provoke a debate about the scourge of child raping gangs?

Okay, I/m making the decision to lock this thread.

Maybe you'll accuse me of not allowing free speech but this is a football forum and apart from the opening post there is no relevance to football at all. There are other forums to discuss this subject, including a thread on the non-football forum here.

Sorry if this decision offends anybody.