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Who is this person on twitter is he actually a town fan seems to goad the club at every opportunity and seems to have a massive bee in his/her/thems bonnet over Debbie Cook ?
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Wacko would be a more appropriate monicker for that loop.
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Obviously a town fan. Obviously a troll. He will be buzzing when he sees this thread
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At times he raises some valid points for those who are not constantly wearing the rose tinted.
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At times he raises some valid points for those who are not constantly wearing the rose tinted.
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He / she / them is a simpleton
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At times he raises some valid points for those who are not constantly wearing the rose tinted.
Give us an example… |
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Give us an example…
Yeah even a little example will do.... Wacca isn't Fillipe is he ? |
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A little example, a large example it matters not. It is my opinion that not everything he says should be disregarded as bunkum.
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Of course it matters! So that’s a no, you can’t illustrate your point. Nice work as always Nick. 👍
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Some of the comments aimed at Debbie Cooke make the authors of such nonsense look like jilted lovers or bitter ex’s…
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Of course it matters! So that’s a no, you can’t illustrate your point. Nice work as always Nick. 👍
Nick? your obsession knows no bounds. Seriously if your hands were caked in excrement you would still happily clap away regardless. Enjoy your beetroot |
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Mind how you go mate.
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Fresh cooked beetroot is fine . None of that pickled rubbish please ,... That's when you know you're dealing with Children, they use the latest buzz word to try to offend us oldies
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Probably that guy who took photos on a voluntary basis then was told his services were no longer needed because they already hire somebody followed by them having a massive hissy fit. I wouldn't be surprised if they made a whole new account with a bunch of insider half truths to disguise the nonsense. Him having it out for one or two people new to the club smells of being let go and having a tantrum.
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Probably that guy who took photos on a voluntary basis then was told his services were no longer needed because they already hire somebody followed by them having a massive hissy fit. I wouldn't be surprised if they made a whole new account with a bunch of insider half truths to disguise the nonsense. Him having it out for one or two people new to the club smells of being let go and having a tantrum.
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Quoted from 123614
Another idiot that uses this 'beetroot' crap.
Let him enjoy his pint of ‘bitter’🥴😉 |
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Probably that guy who took photos on a voluntary basis then was told his services were no longer needed because they already hire somebody followed by them having a massive hissy fit. I wouldn't be surprised if they made a whole new account with a bunch of insider half truths to disguise the nonsense. Him having it out for one or two people new to the club smells of being let go and having a tantrum.
Almost as bad as someone having a hissy fit about local lads playing for Town only because they are local. What are your thoughts on Harry ( he’s one of our own) Clifton now Kris ?? You still think he’s not good enough ??? |
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Nothing to do with me! Waccas a wind up merchant on Twitter. I’m not having a hissy fit either, I asked to be paid they said no, so I decided not to go anymore, my choice, I was never told my services are no longer required. I work for agency now and get paid what I’m worth. In the words of JF Get Your Facts Right! UTM
Probably that guy who took photos on a voluntary basis then was told his services were no longer needed because they already hire somebody followed by them having a massive hissy fit. I wouldn't be surprised if they made a whole new account with a bunch of insider half truths to disguise the nonsense. Him having it out for one or two people new to the club smells of being let go and having a tantrum.
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Let him enjoy his pint of ‘bitter’🥴😉
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Probably that guy who took photos on a voluntary basis then was told his services were no longer needed because they already hire somebody followed by them having a massive hissy fit. I wouldn't be surprised if they made a whole new account with a bunch of insider half truths to disguise the nonsense. Him having it out for one or two people new to the club smells of being let go and having a tantrum.
It certainly isn't my mate Lee Blease. |
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It's obvious it's not him because whether you agree or not with his dispute he has got the balls to put a name to things when he says it .
This weirdo is now posing as himself on twitter and sending himself questions to answer with all his little agendas in there .
He hates Debbie Cook for some reason , is she a witch like he makes out ? I dont even know or care but he is all over it
He reckons Cropper got loaned out after railing the commercial lady or something and wont play for us again .
I dont even know if he's a Town fan , maybe Scunthorpe Utd ?
He sent me a message saying i was a troll as well, not really sure why
Who is Wako ?
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Who is Wako ?
Wacca is that trip to the pub urinals. You’ve avoided the splashback. Your shoes are splatter free. You’ve shook off the wee fella with such vigour that even George Michael would be perturbed. You pop him back in your pants and he gets all teary eyed. A dark stain spreading over the crotch of your tobacco chinos like a map of a conquistador’s expanding empire. You then spend the next two hours shuffling around the pub with your hand, beer mat, Scunthorpe away kit…anything…to try to hide the slow drying pant stain. That’s Wacca. |
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Wacca is that trip to the pub urinals.
You’ve avoided the splashback. Your shoes are splatter free. You’ve shook off the wee fella with such vigour that even George Michael would be perturbed.
You pop him back in your pants and he gets all teary eyed. A dark stain spreading over the crotch of your tobacco chinos like a map of a conquistador’s expanding empire.
You then spend the next two hours shuffling around the pub with your hand, beer mat, Scunthorpe away kit…anything…to try to hide the slow drying pant stain.
That’s Wacca.
Two hours?! What are you drinking pal? You might wanna see a doctor about that! |
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Wacca is that trip to the pub urinals.
You’ve avoided the splashback. Your shoes are splatter free. You’ve shook off the wee fella with such vigour that even George Michael would be perturbed.
You pop him back in your pants and he gets all teary eyed. A dark stain spreading over the crotch of your tobacco chinos like a map of a conquistador’s expanding empire.
You then spend the next two hours shuffling around the pub with your hand, beer mat, Scunthorpe away kit…anything…to try to hide the slow drying pant stain.
That’s Wacca.
That sounds like me - I am a man of a certain age, I’ll have you know! |
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It certainly isn't my mate Lee Blease.
Either way your mate certainly didn't cover himself in glory either by going on a triade lol. But who knows who this random guy is then, either a troll looking for attention or a former employee with another axe to grind. As your mate as shown former employees even on a voluntary basis can say some incorrect and biased things after spitting their dummy out. |
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Either way your mate certainly didn't cover himself in glory either by going on a triade lol. But who knows who this random guy is then, either a troll looking for attention or a former employee with another axe to grind. As your mate as shown former employees even on a voluntary basis can say some incorrect and biased things after spitting their dummy out.
How was your dummy with your tirade about local players Kris ? . Spat it out and didn’t exactly cover yourself in glory either. And no, I’m not Lea Blease either !! |
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It's obvious it's not him because whether you agree or not with his dispute he has got the balls to put a name to things when he says it .
This weirdo is now posing as himself on twitter and sending himself questions to answer with all his little agendas in there .
He hates Debbie Cook for some reason , is she a witch like he makes out ? I dont even know or care but he is all over it
He reckons Cropper got loaned out after railing the commercial lady or something and wont play for us again .
I dont even know if he's a Town fan , maybe Scunthorpe Utd ?
He sent me a message saying i was a troll as well, not really sure why
Who is Wako ?
Why would he be sent out for railing the commercial lady? Seems to be a load of bollox but if he was then good on him. |
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Someone said Tuesday night Wacca is our ex commercial manager, the one before the high heels and slap
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Someone said Tuesday night Wacca is our ex commercial manager, the one before the high heels and slap
David Smith? 😂 |
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I thought Smudge left on good terms ?
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The Wacca bloke is excrement stirring and it’s a poor look. Even if he thinks it’s a laugh, he’s not covering himself in glory.
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The Wacca bloke is excrement stirring and it’s a poor look. Even if he thinks it’s a laugh, he’s not covering himself in glory.
I haven't read what he's said, but from what I've read on here it looks like he's on an ego trip of self-satisfaction and self-glorification. |
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The Wacca bloke is excrement stirring and it’s a poor look. Even if he thinks it’s a laugh, he’s not covering himself in glory.
It’s extremely embarrassing for all concerned. Whoever ‘Wacca’ is appears to be a complete idiot. And that’s being polite !! But that doesn’t seem to stop some people on here making absolutely baseless accusations as to who he/she may be.!!! |
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Whoever and wherever they are , this person is continuing to abuse everything about people at the club .
I do not know why anyone would use their time to just go on tweeting thoughtless propaganda .
Weird
'Holding the GTFC board accountable ' he says
I want him to be accountable and not a keyboard warrior , so come on Wako show your face and real name .
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It's always the faceless, anonymous accounts that spout the most personal attacks.
They have no validation if we can't validate who they come from. Simple.
It's just attention-seeking behaviour. It's not healthy for those he's taking aim at, but more so, it's not healthy for the person saying these things.
It's the easiest thing in the world to create and spread hurtful rumours. If they have a genuine grievance then in this day and age they should be able to say as such and have all the credible info they need to back it up.
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It's always the faceless, anonymous accounts that spout the most personal attacks.
They have no validation if we can't validate who they come from. Simple.
It's just attention-seeking behaviour. It's not healthy for those he's taking aim at, but more so, it's not healthy for the person saying these things.
It's the easiest thing in the world to create and spread hurtful rumours. If they have a genuine grievance then in this day and age they should be able to say as such and have all the credible info they need to back it up.
Credible info continues to be notable by its absence.
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Just block the little freak and stop giving him the attention he craves.
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3 weeks ago i said daniel spilsbury left and the board tried to keep it quiet because it was becoming a bad look how many had recently left due to someone. tonight the club proved me absolutely correct after i put pressure on due to my sources being very credible. i will accept apologies and let you know that anything on these matters are 100% true. holding the board accountable is important to avoid another situation like alex may. take your rose tinted glasses off and accept that the club may not be running as flawlessly as they try make it look.
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that being said, i encourage debbie herself to have a genuine conversation with me to be able to either validate or invalidate my claims. as i know this won’t happen nor will legal action happen as she won’t commit perjury, keep watching me carry on exposing what i know and watch the club prove me CORRECT everytime like today. wacca out.
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3 weeks ago i said daniel spilsbury left and the board tried to keep it quiet because it was becoming a bad look how many had recently left due to someone. tonight the club proved me absolutely correct after i put pressure on due to my sources being very credible. i will accept apologies and let you know that anything on these matters are 100% true. holding the board accountable is important to avoid another situation like alex may. take your rose tinted glasses off and accept that the club may not be running as flawlessly as they try make it look.
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May not be liked but most of what he says is true. Some of you should look into stuff before commenting on excrement you don’t know anything about. Lots of us know exactly what he’s on about. Cook has caused the club problems with staff and had done in her previous roles too. Speak to people at her last job. It’s not hard. Most are local.
She’s the reason a town employee took the club to a tribunal ffs. Not hard to find it on google either.
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that being said, i encourage debbie herself to have a genuine conversation with me to be able to either validate or invalidate my claims. as i know this won’t happen nor will legal action happen as she won’t commit perjury, keep watching me carry on exposing what i know and watch the club prove me CORRECT everytime like today. wacca out.
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Mr Wacca's grammatical errors are a common theme amongst the haters of the current regime at BP.
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I hate to say it but Daniel Spilsbury was definitely listed on the club website yesterday because I looked when I saw Wacca on my feed and he's not there now.
That is a few senior appointments since the takeover that haven't lasted long at all. Hurst, a football man, is doing great building up his team.
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And you all think smith left for legitimate reasons too
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May not be liked but most of what he says is true. Some of you should look into stuff before commenting on excrement you don’t know anything about. Lots of us know exactly what he’s on about. Cook has caused the club problems with staff and had done in her previous roles too. Speak to people at her last job. It’s not hard. Most are local.
She’s the reason a town employee took the club to a tribunal ffs. Not hard to find it on google either.
appreciate this, people need to look at facts i have been handing them on a plate instead of the bias caused simply from making up a couple transfer rumours. so much proof for everything i’ve said and if i said this against fenty there would be a riot until he left. |
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She’s the reason a town employee took the club to a tribunal ffs. Not hard to find it on google either.
Are there any public court documents in relation to this tribunal? Or any information at all? |
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May not be liked but most of what he says is true. Some of you should look into stuff before commenting on excrement you don’t know anything about. Lots of us know exactly what he’s on about. Cook has caused the club problems with staff and had done in her previous roles too. Speak to people at her last job. It’s not hard. Most are local.
She’s the reason a town employee took the club to a tribunal ffs. Not hard to find it on google either.
I Googled “grimsby town fc employment tribunal”, with results limited to the last year. Found nothing. Can you share a direct link to what you are referring to? |
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Are there any public court documents in relation to this tribunal? Or any information at all?
tweeted it on monday, will rt it for you so it’s easy to find @imwacca |
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tweeted it on monday, will rt it for you so it’s easy to find @imwacca
You can easily embed tweets here. Just post the URL. |
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tweeted it on monday, will rt it for you so it’s easy to find @imwacca
I’d rather not go on your Twitter feed Deepthroat. Link it here or fück off |
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Tweet 1649148719562911763 will appear here... as you all hoped saying ‘put it here’ would put me off and allow you to keep your head in the sand, here it is |
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Tweet 1649148719562911763 will appear here... as you all hoped saying ‘put it here’ would put me off and allow you to keep your head in the sand, here it is
Ok. Fair enough. Is a judgment still expected or has it been settled? |
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Ok. Fair enough. Is a judgment still expected or has it been settled?
The decision should eventually make its way here: https://www.gov.uk/employment-tribunal-decisions?keywords=2601787It's rumoured that a settlement was reached out of court on day 2 of the tribunal in Lincoln. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but that fuels the rumours, the club would have been better letting the court decide, getting it out in the open and dispelling the rumours if proven innocent or taking action if guilty. |
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for those who asked it was settled out of court, so the truth wasn’t made public, which is their MO and has been done plenty of times here and before. start waking up to the reality, they (allegedly) bully then pay people off to keep quiet about it to keep their reputation. the problem here is they made no friends just enemies, ones are always bound to eventually reveal the truth which has happened here. i have plenty more info i have the ball rolling on but it can’t just be me to say it, i encourage credible people to come forward and help give the accountability the fans deserve.
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Who cares ? We're doing ok on the pitch and the club is moving forward
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Who cares ? We're doing ok on the pitch and the club is moving forward
moving forward? are you blind. doing better on the pitch but having a ‘bully’ in the offices is not moving forward. everyone is so blinded by a mid table finish that they’ll let proven bullying slide, pathetic |
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Thanks. I believe tribunals are civil hearings so there is no "guilt" being tested, but I know what you mean. I guess the only thing we can do as fans is ask the local media to do some investigating, reach out to anonymous sources, etc? I don't like talking about rumours without substance but there's been enough smoke about DC now, not just from Wacca, to warrant some questions being asked.
agree completely, what i’ve said so far is not all i have don’t worry, questions will be asked and more pressure will be applied until questions are answered, it’s the least the fans deserve this many complaints by gtfc/ymca staff about her is NOT a coincidence and people need to realise this, 30+ complaints of bullying with no statement to say a single one is false says something |
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Is Debbie Cook under orders to be completely focused on delivering the ethos, aims and ideals of the owners, and therefore will not accept anything substandard, which is being construed as bullying?
The club needs dragging, kicking and screaming into the 21st century, so if she is treading on a few toes so what?
Often the most successful people are not particularly nice, but unless someone can produce some evidence it is all conjecture surely?
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So are we not going to get B Corp status then, bullying in the workplace probably won't go down well
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Is Debbie Cook under orders to be completely focused on delivering the ethos, aims and ideals of the owners, and therefore will not accept anything substandard, which is being construed as bullying?
The club needs dragging, kicking and screaming into the 21st century, so if she is treading on a few toes so what?
Often the most successful people are not particularly nice, but unless someone can produce some evidence it is all conjecture surely?
i have provided a lawsuit and credible people have said this is not the first time. big difference between putting the club in the 21st century and bullying/unethical practices such as breaking employment laws which caused individual(s) to take legal action and get ££ |
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i have provided a lawsuit and credible people have said this is not the first time. big difference between putting the club in the 21st century and bullying/unethical practices such as breaking employment laws which caused individual(s) to take legal action and get ££
Because a decision wasn't reached by the court, there is no proof that the club have broken employment law. The fact the club have ended up in court doesn't look good I admit, but we don't have proof or know how much the settlement was. |
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When there's a lot of change in an organisation, lots of people need to be "moved on". Some of these may feel they've been treated unfairly and take the organisation to a tribunal. Sometimes it's easier just to pay a small settlement and move on, than go through lengthy court hearings.
Similarly, sometimes people are brought into an organisation, don't fit the culture or don't settle and then leave within a short period - often during a probationary period if they're not up to the job.
All of this is pretty standard stuff. But of course if you're one of those moved on, it's natural to feel hard done by. Some people just go somewhere else. Others dig their heels in and fight, whether they've got a case or not.
Fans always seem keen to bin off players just for one or two bad performances. Why should under-performing staff in other areas of the business get a free pass?
None of this points to a culture of bullying to me. It looks like an organisation going through a major change. And given there was little change for the best part of two decades, that change is going to look quite seismic.
I think Wacca is clearly somebody "moved on", and their subsequent behaviour certainly underlines why that was clearly the correct decision. They perhaps need to put more effort into finding another job, or, I don't know, being any good at something.
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Who gives a excrement if Daniel Spilsbury has left, I literally had no idea who he was until just now. Some members of staff leaving the club is hardly the same as some of the excrement Fenty pulled ie trying to get a convicted fraudster involved with the club and having other property related dealings with him whilst being a local councillor. Or, I dunno, being a excrement team for 16 odd years.
I’d Dave Smith left under such a cloud, why did he give a lengthy interview video on Mariners tv etc when he left.
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Who gives a excrement if Daniel Spilsbury has left, I literally had no idea who he was until just now. Some members of staff leaving the club is hardly the same as some of the excrement Fenty pulled ie trying to get a convicted fraudster involved with the club and having other property related dealings with him whilst being a local councillor. Or, I dunno, being a excrement team for 16 odd years.
I’d Dave Smith left under such a cloud, why did he give a lengthy interview video on Mariners tv etc when he left.
Debbie Cook was behind the camera holding him at gunpoint, duh |
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Oh no ,the last thing we need is Wakko making The Fishy a parody of The Iron Bru forum .
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I've just moved into a particular area of my workplace where the guys I'm in charge of have lots of previous for falling below the standards expected. Standards that are clearly defined in writing and can't be argued. I had to escort one of them to a preliminary disciplinary yesterday for accumulating a number of what are effectively warnings over his first 7 months here.
After spending the first few weeks just observing and seeing what was happening myself to make a judgement, I got all my leckies together yesterday and asked for their gripes and concerns etc before setting out my expectations of them. Most of them spoke about how the previous supervisors and manager were short with them, shouted a lot etc etc and they felt hard done to.
What they didn't seem to grasp or fully realise is that actually, none of them WANT to behave like that, but when the guys are constantly falling below known standards that are not hard to maintain, they're not left with much choice. The guys don't like being told they're falling below standards and hold a grudge against the previous guys but don't seem to acknowledge that it's their actions that resulted in the behaviour displayed towards them.
That for me, I imagine, is common across most workplaces and no doubt the same at GTFC. If DC is responsible for ensuring that everyone across the club is upholding the standards then of course she may upset people when they're told they are not performing to the standard desired.
We had a relatively settled ship for 20 years under JF, but it's arguably 20 of our worst years, was their a lack of standards behind the scenes that allowed sub-par performance to go on for all that time? I don't want that to sound as though I'm suggesting people didn't do their job, rather was it being monitored in doing it to a high standard all the time? Did that contribute to the stagnation of the club?
Having managed people and knowing how easily people can be offended at the slightest change to their day, or the merest hint of a suggestion they need to up their levels, I could very easily see a scenario whereby this is simply disgruntlement because of being told something they don't like.
That said, the nosy side of me would love all your evidence laid out bare for dissection and for us all to make as best a judgement we can with your version of events.
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I've just moved into a particular area of my workplace where the guys I'm in charge of have lots of previous for falling below the standards expected. Standards that are clearly defined in writing and can't be argued. I had to escort one of them to a preliminary disciplinary yesterday for accumulating a number of what are effectively warnings over his first 7 months here.
After spending the first few weeks just observing and seeing what was happening myself to make a judgement, I got all my leckies together yesterday and asked for their gripes and concerns etc before setting out my expectations of them. Most of them spoke about how the previous supervisors and manager were short with them, shouted a lot etc etc and they felt hard done to.
What they didn't seem to grasp or fully realise is that actually, none of them WANT to behave like that, but when the guys are constantly falling below known standards that are not hard to maintain, they're not left with much choice. The guys don't like being told they're falling below standards and hold a grudge against the previous guys but don't seem to acknowledge that it's their actions that resulted in the behaviour displayed towards them.
That for me, I imagine, is common across most workplaces and no doubt the same at GTFC. If DC is responsible for ensuring that everyone across the club is upholding the standards then of course she may upset people when they're told they are not performing to the standard desired.
We had a relatively settled ship for 20 years under JF, but it's arguably 20 of our worst years, was their a lack of standards behind the scenes that allowed sub-par performance to go on for all that time? I don't want that to sound as though I'm suggesting people didn't do their job, rather was it being monitored in doing it to a high standard all the time? Did that contribute to the stagnation of the club?
Having managed people and knowing how easily people can be offended at the slightest change to their day, or the merest hint of a suggestion they need to up their levels, I could very easily see a scenario whereby this is simply disgruntlement because of being told something they don't like.
That said, the nosy side of me would love all your evidence laid out bare for dissection and for us all to make as best a judgement we can with your version of events.
Great post Chris somes up my thoughts . There is a difference between bullying and being held accountable for your work (or lack of ) . We can only speculate which it is in all truth. I suppose if DC is still around in the summer it would put it to rest ,if she goes it would put some truth to Wakkos claims . |
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When there's a lot of change in an organisation, lots of people need to be "moved on". Some of these may feel they've been treated unfairly and take the organisation to a tribunal. Sometimes it's easier just to pay a small settlement and move on, than go through lengthy court hearings.
Similarly, sometimes people are brought into an organisation, don't fit the culture or don't settle and then leave within a short period - often during a probationary period if they're not up to the job.
All of this is pretty standard stuff. But of course if you're one of those moved on, it's natural to feel hard done by. Some people just go somewhere else. Others dig their heels in and fight, whether they've got a case or not.
Fans always seem keen to bin off players just for one or two bad performances. Why should under-performing staff in other areas of the business get a free pass?
None of this points to a culture of bullying to me. It looks like an organisation going through a major change. And given there was little change for the best part of two decades, that change is going to look quite seismic.
I think Wacca is clearly somebody "moved on", and their subsequent behaviour certainly underlines why that was clearly the correct decision. They perhaps need to put more effort into finding another job, or, I don't know, being any good at something.
1) when 10+ people are paid off + silenced it 100% points to bullying rather than a new environment despite what your blindfold says 2) I can give my 100% word that I have never worked for the club or debbie, anything said/pressured has been based off credible people with proof |
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Who gives a excrement if Daniel Spilsbury has left, I literally had no idea who he was until just now. Some members of staff leaving the club is hardly the same as some of the excrement Fenty pulled ie trying to get a convicted fraudster involved with the club and having other property related dealings with him whilst being a local councillor. Or, I dunno, being a excrement team for 16 odd years.
I’d Dave Smith left under such a cloud, why did he give a lengthy interview video on Mariners tv etc when he left.
he is highly rated, respected and experienced in what he does and came from the championship for us 6 months ago with a massive reputation which debbie was more than happy to scream about the significance is the manner he left and what happened after. due to so many people leaving because of someone (who has since silenced them) the club tried to keep this silent to not alert people and i was told (and hinted) 3 weeks ago almost about this and the fact that it was being covered up and the plan was to eventually remove him quietly from the website, which happened this is a scandal but everyone is too blind to this board to ask questions |
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Is it a scandal? I’ve no doubt that back room members of staff came and went before under previous regimes and we weren’t told about it, because frankly it’s not that interesting.
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1) when 10+ people are paid off + silenced it 100% points to bullying rather than a new environment despite what your blindfold says
2) I can give my 100% word that I have never worked for the club or debbie, anything said/pressured has been based off credible people with proof
If that’s the case what are you getting so involved for ? It’s not your concern, leave it to the people who it matters to |
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Is it a scandal? I’ve no doubt that back room members of staff came and went before under previous regimes and we weren’t told about it, because frankly it’s not that interesting.
it’s interesting when you factor in everything. countless bullying complaints at this job and her previous job, he is massively respected and debbie was buzzing to get him, the club purposely trying to hide it for weeks looks very bad given we know how the offices are run under somebody. it is no coincidence someone that good left after only 5-6 months, just like the dave smith replacement who left her longtime job as the business hive manager to join, just to leave 6 months in. |
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Maybe DC wants the best for our club, and doesn't suffer fools gladly. Bullying complaints can easily be put out there by people who DC believes are not up to her standards for GTFC, when in fact it is, in simple terms, a Boss/Manager telling you to buck your ideas up or you're gone!
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If that’s the case what are you getting so involved for ? It’s not your concern, leave it to the people who it matters to
it is mine and everyone’s concern when it’s our club. i’m doing it for the ones who have been silenced but have a lot to say and stories to tell but aren’t allowed to. this is done on their encouragement, stories and credibility which is why i’m not afraid of being disproven or the club to even try deny it you would not have sent that message if it was accusations against fenty, give both boards the same accountability |
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Maybe DC wants the best for our club, and doesn't suffer fools gladly.
is that why employees at her former job have also come forward recently saying the same things and saying that the lawsuit i shown is far from the first one against her? this many people coming forward shows merit and enough to deserve a response |
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it’s interesting when you factor in everything. countless bullying complaints at this job and her previous job, he is massively respected and debbie was buzzing to get him, the club purposely trying to hide it for weeks looks very bad given we know how the offices are run under somebody. it is no coincidence someone that good left after only 5-6 months, just like the dave smith replacement who left her longtime job as the business hive manager to join, just to leave 6 months in.
The other day, you said that the Head of Commercial was pushed out because Jordan Cropper was practicing his throw ins by throwing her on to the bed, and that is why Cropper has been sent to Barnet. |
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it’s interesting when you factor in everything. countless bullying complaints at this job and her previous job, he is massively respected and debbie was buzzing to get him, the club purposely trying to hide it for weeks looks very bad given we know how the offices are run under somebody. it is no coincidence someone that good left after only 5-6 months, just like the dave smith replacement who left her longtime job as the business hive manager to join, just to leave 6 months in.
So lets look at this:- 1) "He is massively respected" - by who? 2) "Debbie was buzzing to get him" - Source? 3) "The club purposely trying to hid it for weeks - proof? 4) "We know how the offices are run" - again, proof? As for those who left after 6 months, is it not possible that they were not up to the job? |
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The other day, you said that the Head of Commercial was pushed out because Jordan Cropper was practicing his throw ins by throwing her on to the bed, and that is why Cropper has been sent to Barnet.
you know it wasn’t me who said that so stop trying to twist it, I have not mentioned when they left. |
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So lets look at this:-
1) "He is massively respected" - by who?
2) "Debbie was buzzing to get him" - Source?
3) "The club purposely trying to hid it for weeks - proof?
4) "We know how the offices are run" - again, proof?
As for those who left after 6 months, is it not possible that they were not up to the job?
1) the industry he’s in, because you didn’t know him it means nothing to how much he is respected 2) find the post when he was appointed 3) i said this 3 weeks ago and it has shown to be true, i can’t reveal my source for obvious reasons but me saying this weeks ago and even saying they planned to eventually quietly remove him + not promote his job, shows i know what i was talking about 4) literally countless people have came forward with horror stories, if you haven’t seen by now then it’s by choice to be ignorant possible but based off my authority, as credible as the previously mentioned one, it is not what happened, atleast not every time |
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1) the industry he’s in, because you didn’t know him it means nothing to how much he is respected
2) find the post when he was appointed
3) i said this 3 weeks ago and it has shown to be true, i can’t reveal my source for obvious reasons but me saying this weeks ago and even saying they planned to eventually quietly remove him + not promote his job, shows i know what i was talking about
4) literally countless people have came forward with horror stories, if you haven’t seen by now then it’s by choice to be ignorant
possible but based off my authority, as credible as the previously mentioned one, it is not what happened, atleast not every time
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2) find the post when he was appointed
"Speaking of Daniel’s appointment, CEO Debbie Cook said, “We’d like to officially welcome Daniel to the Club and wish him well in his new role.”
“I’m looking forward to working with Daniel and to listening to his new ideas based on his previous experience.”Hardly Shakespearean sonnet levels of adulation is it? https://gtfc.co.uk/head-of-operations-appointed/ |
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I think Wacca has finally outed himself though in this thread...  |
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is that why employees at her former job have also come forward recently saying the same things and saying that the lawsuit i shown is far from the first one against her?
this many people coming forward shows merit and enough to deserve a response
Proof? And don't tell me to go look here or there, the onus is on you to prove it. And again, disgruntled employees who were probably told they were not good enough. If JS thinks enough about DC to appoint her as CEO, then that's good enough for me. |
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I'm intrigued by these impeccable sources wacca keeps mentioning. The have never been quoted or identified, but I'm sure they are still impeccable...
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I will simplify it for Wako (allegedly)
Spilsbury was not all he was cracked up to be
Moved on
Commercial lady - out of her depth and could not sell
Moved on
Quite a lot of 'the old guard ' in there comfort zone coasting on just above minimum could not adapt to change
Moved on
Wako
Likely one of these people or fairly close to .
Time to move on
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I have come up with a few suggestions to help you through this obsession / twitter self question time Wako .
-meditation
-exercise
-CBT
-Golf
-Yoga
They are a few ideas , if you need more feel free to ask .
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it is mine and everyone’s concern when it’s our club. i’m doing it for the ones who have been silenced but have a lot to say and stories to tell but aren’t allowed to. this is done on their encouragement, stories and credibility which is why i’m not afraid of being disproven or the club to even try deny it
you would not have sent that message if it was accusations against fenty, give both boards the same accountability
You have no idea about my thoughts towards Fenty, you have just simply made that up |
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JS has acknowledged on numerous occasions, in various interviews, that they are trying to introduce and implement a new working culture at the club, and that not everybody will want to come on this transformative journey. I don’t really know what more anybody could want from them? It would be pretty naïve to expect a company (any company) to explicitly say “we will move people on who don’t want to adapt to our values”. It’s there between the lines in JS’s interviews. BrewDog lost their B Corp status after it emerged they had a bullying, “culture of fear” workplace culture Wacca claims GTFC to have. See here: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/dec/01/brewdog-loses-its-ethical-b-corp-certificate If and when our B Corp comes through will it be enough for you to admit that things aren’t quite as apocalyptic within GTFC as you suggest, Wacca? |
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I am a bit intrigued by this 'giving both boards the same accountability' bullshit you come up with Wackoff (thats my new name for them) For all the shady excrement that went on during the Fenty years I don't remember you launching into that regime at all. There was no campaign from you about any of it.
It appears to me that you are a Fentyist and may have contacts with people still at the club but are unhappy and also with some of those moved on. Maybe you should move on too. Johns gone and everyone except you is deliriously ecstatic about it.
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1) when 10+ people are paid off + silenced it 100% points to bullying rather than a new environment despite what your blindfold says
2) I can give my 100% word that I have never worked for the club or debbie, anything said/pressured has been based off credible people with proof
1. No it doesn't. You're attributing cause here. It says to me that there's a lot of change going on. Compromise agreements are pretty standard when you're moving people on as part of a change process. It just gets people out of the door. A compromise agreement has a silence clause in it for both sides as standard, but it doesn't automatically suggest any untoward behaviour by either party. 2. If you haven't worked there I'm just going to assume your motive is plain old mysogyny then. |
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1. No it doesn't. You're attributing cause here. It says to me that there's a lot of change going on. Compromise agreements are pretty standard when you're moving people on as part of a change process. It just gets people out of the door. A compromise agreement has a silence clause in it for both sides as standard, but it doesn't automatically suggest any untoward behaviour by either party.
2. If you haven't worked there I'm just going to assume your motive is plain old mysogyny then.
I've had several messages from several people about this so there's certainly no smoke without fire, however, the club has undergone a major regime change after a long period when several would have got set in their ways or too comfortable in their position. In steps a more dynamic CEO, holds people to account and they realise they can't cope and resign their position. It happens in most commercial organisations. |
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It was my fault this
Starting this thread
Giving him the limelight
Sorry
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Ugh.
This really is quite unsightly all round isn't it?
No-one is coming out of this with an ounce of credit attached to them.
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Takes me back to school when some spotty herbert would start singing " I know something you don't know" in order to gain a bit of kudos.
Turns out that most times, the thing we didn't know, wasn't worth knowing.
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1) when 10+ people are paid off + silenced it 100% points to bullying rather than a new environment despite what your blindfold says
2) I can give my 100% word that I have never worked for the club or debbie, anything said/pressured has been based off credible people with proof
I think the problem you face on this forum is you spent the January window telling us of your 'credible' sources that Cameron Wilson was signing, that so and so was at Cheapside signing, none of which ever came to fruition, you basically projected yourself as a poop-stirrer. Your twitter exploits - not that I'm on it so I'm taking this from words of others - is just angry words and accusations behind a nameless handle. Point being, neither of which make YOU credible. You've said nothing which supplies verified proof that anything you say has validity and worth people taking note and listening to. For that very reason, none of the 'unnamed sources' are credible. How can we take your word that these people have true stories to tell when you're an anonymous poster who has bad form for telling us things that never ended up happening? In the same way as January, it leads to the suggestion you're simply an attention seeker, albeit a very good one given the responses you generate. If you want to gain some credence and a desire for people to 'remove the blindfold', I personally think the first thing you need to do is drop the anonymity and whoever you are be accountable for what you're saying. Until then I think the vast majority won't really give you any time of day because it's all just screams of a vendetta. |
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At the end of the day, only one thing matters to all fans. That is the progression of the club via the 1st Team. The aim should be a move up the leagues and to that aim the backroom staff should do their job.
17 years of mediocrity of the backroom staff failed to achieve literally anything, to resist the downward spiral from the championship. May 2021 a new company took over and with it new ways, you cannot live in the past and old ways.
The club needs new ways to achieve the sustainability of the business, to have better income streams and of course a better stadium. This all takes time and some people are fine whilst others are out of their depth. You don't know how good someone is until you employ them, and suddenly all their fine words of achievements in the past fail to materialise.
Just over 2 years ago it was suggested that the team were training with none round balls! The club is moving on to pastures new and if staff cannot move in that direction then they have to leave.
I can only reiterate what I said at first, it is the 1st Team that matters and to that end owners, staff and fans should all work. League 1 is not beyond our grasp.
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i’m doing it for the ones who have been silenced but have a lot to say and stories to tell but aren’t allowed to
Quite the modern day Nelson Mandela aren’t you? I’ve worked in two companies that have been acquired by new owners and the same happened in both. First out the door were the troublemakers and the lazy, followed shortly after by the incompetents. None were missed. I guess no one knows for sure what’s gone on, but my experience tells me what’s most likely. |
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Isn't wacca the twitter account who made a sick joke about the Bradford fire and promised 100% that Dallas had signed? May as well get your news from the S*n or Daily Sport.
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Isn't wacca the twitter account who made a sick joke about the Bradford fire and promised 100% that Dallas had signed? May as well get your news from the S*n or Daily Sport.
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I think the problem you face on this forum is you spent the January window telling us of your 'credible' sources that Cameron Wilson was signing, that so and so was at Cheapside signing, none of which ever came to fruition, you basically projected yourself as a poop-stirrer.
Your twitter exploits - not that I'm on it so I'm taking this from words of others - is just angry words and accusations behind a nameless handle.
Point being, neither of which make YOU credible. You've said nothing which supplies verified proof that anything you say has validity and worth people taking note and listening to. For that very reason, none of the 'unnamed sources' are credible. How can we take your word that these people have true stories to tell when you're an anonymous poster who has bad form for telling us things that never ended up happening?
In the same way as January, it leads to the suggestion you're simply an attention seeker, albeit a very good one given the responses you generate. If you want to gain some credence and a desire for people to 'remove the blindfold', I personally think the first thing you need to do is drop the anonymity and whoever you are be accountable for what you're saying. Until then I think the vast majority won't really give you any time of day because it's all just screams of a vendetta.
Was he the one who did nnnnninnneee or something or was that someone else? |
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1. No it doesn't. You're attributing cause here. It says to me that there's a lot of change going on. Compromise agreements are pretty standard when you're moving people on as part of a change process. It just gets people out of the door. A compromise agreement has a silence clause in it for both sides as standard, but it doesn't automatically suggest any untoward behaviour by either party.
2. If you haven't worked there I'm just going to assume your motive is plain old mysogyny then.
mysogyny😴 never once when i’ve mentioned stockwood have I been accused of that but as soon as it’s a woman I mention then several people jump onto that, pathetic. |
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1) when 10+ people are paid off + silenced it 100% points to bullying rather than a new environment despite what your blindfold says
2) I can give my 100% word that I have never worked for the club or debbie, anything said/pressured has been based off credible people with proof
Two more 100% truths? You just make things up mate. Take Evil Fish's advice. Tweet 1620426601652699138 will appear here... |
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And if He/She thinks they are anonymous on Twitter then they should think again
I have quite literally outright said many times that I am not anonymous, the latest time was yesterday. Do you think i’m completely unaware?😂 |
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Two more 100% truths? You just make things up mate. Take Evil Fish's advice. Tweet 1620426601652699138 will appear here...
you know very well there is a fine line between clear transfer trolling and giving my word on a serious issue like this. if you genuinely think what you sent invalidates mine and 20+ people’s story of the CEO then you’re blind and deluded |
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you know very well there is a fine line between clear transfer trolling and giving my word on a serious issue like this. if you genuinely think what you sent invalidates mine and 20+ people’s story of the CEO then you’re blind and deluded
Some of your responses are fairly agressive… almost borderline bullying, I’d say 😉 |
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Jesus guys. Stop replying to him and he will stop spouting BS.
It’s how all attention seekers work, they don’t get the attention, they move on.
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mysogyny😴 never once when i’ve mentioned stockwood have I been accused of that but as soon as it’s a woman I mention then several people jump onto that, pathetic.
I think your Twitter history backs up my argument. Remind me again, because you were already asked, when were the times you held Fenty to account in this manner? |
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I have quite literally outright said many times that I am not anonymous, the latest time was yesterday. Do you think i’m completely unaware?😂
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Your grammar is so poor that it's hard to take you seriously. I hope for your sake you win the battle though because if all these NDA's have been signed and people paid off then they didn't take bullying very seriously, did they ?
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Interesting to read Dominic Raabs resignation letter on the same day as reading this thread. I wonder if posters have a similar view on the two sets of allegations.
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mysogyny😴 never once when i’ve mentioned stockwood have I been accused of that but as soon as it’s a woman I mention then several people jump onto that, pathetic.
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1) the industry he’s in, because you didn’t know him it means nothing to how much he is respected
2) find the post when he was appointed
3) i said this 3 weeks ago and it has shown to be true, i can’t reveal my source for obvious reasons but me saying this weeks ago and even saying they planned to eventually quietly remove him + not promote his job, shows i know what i was talking about
4) literally countless people have came forward with horror stories, if you haven’t seen by now then it’s by choice to be ignorant
possible but based off my authority, as credible as the previously mentioned one, it is not what happened, atleast not every time
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13 pages .. He must be loving this. I've read most of the pages, for what it's worth I think they're a former employer.
From the interviews I like the fact we're being run properly and we expect a certain way of working instead of a group of friends prancing around not doing alot.
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Wacca. Why don't you go see the owners and Debbie and express your concerns? They are very approachable and I'm sure they'd give you time . It's a waste of time moaning on social media , it never achieves anything but if you're happy that's all that counts
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Wacca. You’re obsessed. Boardering harassing.
Why does Debbie COOK need to meet you to discuss things. You’re nothing to her.
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13 pages .. He must be loving this. I've read most of the pages, for what it's worth I think they're a former employer.
From the interviews I like the fact we're being run properly and we expect a certain way of working instead of a group of friends prancing around not doing alot.
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If this was about our former non chairman then we’d have been reminded of our responsibilities regarding defamation by now….just saying!
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I have quite literally outright said many times that I am not anonymous, the latest time was yesterday. Do you think i’m completely unaware?😂
You are hiding behind a silly name on Twitter and here though as you doubtless have many times before to be a drama queen. If you feel you have a legitimate case then stand on your own name and provide real tangible evidence that you yourself have with revealing names and faces of all the witnesses you claim to have. But you won't because you don't have a case and you just think trolling behind a screen of anonymity is fun making unfounded claims.
If this was about our former non chairman then we’d have been reminded of our responsibilities regarding defamation by now….just saying!
Could still happen if they decide to take legal action against unfounded claims being posted here. Fenty bent The Fishy over a table and shut it down real fast then only had it open again on his terms (names and addresses being collected so he can demand it and call you in for saying anything he didn't like). Who is going to pay the legal fees to fight it if this nonsense causes an attempt to shut the sit down again? |
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I also reckon his connection to the club is via a third party.
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Well if I can't sleep tonight i can read through this load of crap again and bore myself off, read some manure on the fishy before but this thread is lower than that
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Could still happen if they decide to take legal action against unfounded claims being posted here. Fenty bent The Fishy over a table and shut it down real fast then only had it open again on his terms (names and addresses being collected so he can demand it and call you in for saying anything he didn't like). Who is going to pay the legal fees to fight it if this nonsense causes an attempt to shut the sit down again?
Not quite correct, he had a go and Rob needed to check he wasn't personally liable as the host. He’s not and it’s up to individual posters to manage their own legal balance. Certainly no names and addresses were given out to old beige turtle neck. |
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Not quite correct, he had a go and Rob needed to check he wasn't personally liable as the host. He’s not and it’s up to individual posters to manage their own legal balance. Certainly no names and addresses were given out to old beige turtle neck.
It would (will not )not even matter for someone like Wacku . I am sure he just has an alias email /setup on here so is pretty much untraceable , and i can't imagine anyone is going to bust a gut to trace his IP, so he will continue to be a non accountable annoyance to many without any eventual consequence whatever he puts . |
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It would (will not )not even matter for someone like Wacku .
I am sure he just has an alias email /setup on here so is pretty much untraceable , and i can't imagine anyone is going to bust a gut to trace his IP, so he will continue to be a non accountable annoyance to many without any eventual consequence whatever he puts .
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As someone who likes to coast at work, I've been pushed out of several doors by management dorks who take the whole employment thing far too seriously.
It's easy to get new jobs so not the end of the world if things don't work out. DC may be a hard taskmaster but that's probably the remit of what she's employed to do. So what.
Hurst is happy and club feels stronger than it has for some time. That's the main thing.
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A jilted lover? A work Place romance that went south? Unrequited love and rejection…
If there was any substance for the case ya wouldn’t be a female dog and moan on here, you’d just go through the correct channels and take legal action and so forth.
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As someone who likes to coast at work, I've been pushed out of several doors by management dorks who take the whole employment thing far too seriously.
It's easy to get new jobs so not the end of the world if things don't work out. DC may be a hard taskmaster but that's probably the remit of what she's employed to do. So what.
Hurst is happy and club feels stronger than it has for some time. That's the main thing.
Ace that I think i sort of flit between the two Motivated and coasting A gentle word in my ear from my boss puts me back in to motivation mode and I am highly productive The coasting phase definately takes up a good 1/4 of a year though . |
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There is someone on here who used to be my boss, so I am happy to confirm I never coasted, took unnecessary time out and always gave 100%. I never questioned the management's integrity for one single moment.
I am sure the poster in question will be along in a minute to confirm all of this is absolutely true.
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There is someone on here who used to be my boss, so I am happy to confirm I never coasted, took unnecessary time out and always gave 100%. I never questioned the management's integrity for one single moment.
I am sure the poster in question will be along in a minute to confirm all of this is absolutely true.
Sorry to say this, but I’m afraid you was hands down the laziest lump I ever employed. |
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It would (will not )not even matter for someone like Wacku .
I am sure he just has an alias email /setup on here so is pretty much untraceable , and i can't imagine anyone is going to bust a gut to trace his IP, so he will continue to be a non accountable annoyance to many without any eventual consequence whatever he puts .
As i have said plenty of times, I am not anonymous and i’m more than happy to know people personally if I trust and like them. Genius |
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Sorry to say this, but I’m afraid you was hands down the laziest lump I ever employed.
Oops. There must be two then. |
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So lets look at this:-
1) "He is massively respected" - by who?
2) "Debbie was buzzing to get him" - Source?
3) "The club purposely trying to hid it for weeks - proof?
4) "We know how the offices are run" - again, proof?
As for those who left after 6 months, is it not possible that they were not up to the job?
He was very respected by the board as one of the board members told me personally when he was appointed so wacca or whoever he is was correct on that point. |
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He was very respected by the board as one of the board members told me personally when he was appointed so wacca or whoever he is was correct on that point.
Doesn't really say much, does it! |
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Doesn't really say much, does it!
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Are you saying it was a poor appointment by the board then?
Not at all, just saying how can he have earned the Boards massive respect when he was only just appointed, as stated above. Perhaps after 6 months he didn't come up to scratch? |
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Or maybe he didn't get on with living here, or whatever. If he was at QPR I’m assuming he’s had to up sticks and move to an area where he doesn’t know anyone, it can be hard. Who knows.
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Or maybe he didn't get on with living here, or whatever. If he was at QPR I’m assuming he’s had to up sticks and move to an area where he doesn’t know anyone, it can be hard. Who knows.
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Whoever’s in charge of putting the season tickets out wants the sack, I can tell you that much.
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And who actually cares , apart from Wako .
16 pages of a forum dedicated to me including the name. the fishy care as they’re obsessed with trying to belittle a person they don’t know😘 one day you’ll succeed, after several attempts on top of the current 3 so far. |
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Whoever’s in charge of putting the season tickets out wants the sack, I can tell you that much.
I have had enough flak already for being underwhelmed by our off field managent but can only agree . Total missed opportunity that these weren’t released shortly after the end of the FA cup run and with the season petering out we are way behind otter clubs on this . |
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Whoever’s in charge of putting the season tickets out wants the sack, I can tell you that much.
This is something I hoped our new owners would be very proactive with. Obviously whoever is in charge of season ticket marketing is thick skinned and can't be bullied into leaving (allegedly). |
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This is something I hoped our new owners would be very proactive with. Obviously whoever is in charge of season ticket marketing is thick skinned and can't be bullied into leaving (allegedly).
That fúcking Hurst… |
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This is something I hoped our new owners would be very proactive with. Obviously whoever is in charge of season ticket marketing is thick skinned and can't be bullied into leaving (allegedly).
ironic given mr spilsbury oversaw the ticket office as well as the stadium… |
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ironic given mr spilsbury oversaw the ticket office as well as the stadium…
Maybe he would still be here if he pulled his finger out and got our season tickets on sale then? |
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Maybe he would still be here if he pulled his finger out and got our season tickets on sale then?
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going to great lengths anytime I speak to defend a board you’ve never met and has dozens of allegations against them
Oooh, allegations. Sounds serious. Tell us more. |
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Not at all, just saying how can he have earned the Boards massive respect when he was only just appointed, as stated above. Perhaps after 6 months he didn't come up to scratch?
From what he had achieved previously. If you or any employer wants to employ someone you do usually look at that or you might as well scrap CVs and references. |
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From what he had achieved previously. If you or any employer wants to employ someone you do usually look at that or you might as well scrap CVs and references.
Like all CVs and references tell the truth, add to that the fact you are no longer permitted to submit negative feedback on references as an employer, but can decline to offer a reference. |
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going to great lengths anytime I speak to defend a board you’ve never met and has dozens of allegations against them
I've criticised aspects of the new regime when it comes to the non-football side, but it's been evidenced with hard facts. All you have done Wacca is got the club to update their website and bullied Debbie off Twitter. We now know that Spilsbury has left, but you haven't backed up with any form of reason and evidence as to why that may be. |
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I've criticised aspects of the new regime when it comes to the non-football side, but it's been evidenced with hard facts.
All you have done Wacca is got the club to update their website and bullied Debbie off Twitter. We now know that Spilsbury has left, but you haven't backed up with any form of reason and evidence as to why that may be.
I have implied why it was, with so many negative accusations flying around ‘somebody’ tried to keep the departure quiet for obvious reasons. I informed on this 3 weeks before the change on the website and even said it will be covered up for as long as possible. Keep defending them and ignoring the dozens who have publicly stated their experience with them👍🏻 |
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I have implied why it was, with so many negative accusations flying around ‘somebody’ tried to keep the departure quiet for obvious reasons. I informed on this 3 weeks before the change on the website and even said it will be covered up for as long as possible. Keep defending them and ignoring the dozens who have publicly stated their experience with them👍🏻
What if some of the Dozens don't like you either ? You should give that some thought , some serious thought . Sometimes your enemies are so very close to you and Grimsby is a small well connected place . Good luck though . . I have a feeling you're going to need it |
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I do get the impression that this forumite is a reinvention of Fillipe Noche! Of course, I may be wrong.
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I do get the impression that this forumite is a reinvention of Fillipe Noche! Of course, I may be wrong.
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I have implied why it was, with so many negative accusations flying around ‘somebody’ tried to keep the departure quiet for obvious reasons. I informed on this 3 weeks before the change on the website and even said it will be covered up for as long as possible. Keep defending them and ignoring the dozens who have publicly stated their experience with them👍🏻
These dozens of people you keep referring to, it would be great if some of them stepped forward and added credence to your claims, or even told some of the more trustworthy and well connected members of this forum. I accept that an employee took the club to court but that is part and parcel of change, and we haven't seen any evidence to confirm or suggest of wrongdoing there, other than a court listing which appears to have been settled outside the court room; which is quite normal for employment tribunals. |
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These dozens of people you keep referring to, it would be great if some of them stepped forward and added credence to your claims, or even told some of the more trustworthy and well connected members of this forum.
I accept that an employee took the club to court but that is part and parcel of change, and we haven't seen any evidence to confirm or suggest of wrongdoing there, other than a court listing which appears to have been settled outside the court room; which is quite normal for employment tribunals.
You imply a settlement is a neutral thing . A settlement means the Employer paid up . Something they would only do if they either didn’t want the details to be made public or the settlement could have been higher if set by the court |
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You imply a settlement is a neutral thing . A settlement means the Employer paid up . Something they would only do if they either didn’t want the details to be made public or the settlement could have been higher if set by the court
I know loads of clients who pay out to employers because it’s cheaper to do so than defend it, avoids the loss of senior management time and potential embarrassment for the organisation, even where the expectation is the employer will win. |
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You imply a settlement is a neutral thing . A settlement means the Employer paid up . Something they would only do if they either didn’t want the details to be made public or the settlement could have been higher if set by the court
Lawyers will have been looking at balance of probabilities. Ending up in court undoubtedly has legal costs, but also time. I suspect an out of court settlement was on the table well before it got to court because companies don't like the reputational damage losing in court can cause. Having the case settled by a judge would have been messy for everyone, although I admit it would have put these bullying rumours to bed one way or the other. On the subject of employment law, the OS announced Debbie as CEO on 4th June 2021, which means we have about 5 weeks until she herself gains more employment rights and becomes a bit more difficult to move on. |
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I have implied why it was, with so many negative accusations flying around ‘somebody’ tried to keep the departure quiet for obvious reasons. I informed on this 3 weeks before the change on the website and even said it will be covered up for as long as possible. Keep defending them and ignoring the dozens who have publicly stated their experience with them👍🏻
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I have implied why it was, with so many negative accusations flying around ‘somebody’ tried to keep the departure quiet for obvious reasons. I informed on this 3 weeks before the change on the website and even said it will be covered up for as long as possible. Keep defending them and ignoring the dozens who have publicly stated their experience with them👍🏻
Believe it or not, companies don't tend to update things like this the moment someone leaves. It can take weeks, if not longer, as it's hardly the kind of thing that's a high priority. |
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Believe it or not, companies don't tend to update things like this the moment someone leaves. It can take weeks, if not longer, as it's hardly the kind of thing that's a high priority.
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Unless you are a football club where a thousand eyes are watching an analysing your every move in which case you up your game.
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Believe it or not, companies don't tend to update things like this the moment someone leaves. It can take weeks, if not longer, as it's hardly the kind of thing that's a high priority.
Most companies don't list the names of staff and the positions they hold in a weekly magazine available to just about all their customers. Just sloppy not to update the details. |
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hope all of you jealous older men have enjoyed the gratification and trying (and failing, again) to demean a young lad. hope you all find what you’re looking for in life so you can get over your obsession with me. i’ll enjoy my summer knowing i’m rent free as always with you lot, wacca x
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hope all of you jealous older men have enjoyed the gratification and trying (and failing, again) to demean a young lad. hope you all find what you’re looking for in life so you can get over your obsession with me. i’ll enjoy my summer knowing i’m rent free as always with you lot, wacca x
That’s a slightly immature comment isn’t it? Nobody is ‘trying’ to demean you, you are doing a grand enough job of that yourself. Now, what everyone is trying to ascertain is what is your actual beef with the current owners of the club? I also wouldn’t class it as an obsession either. You are playing things like a politician and not giving any direct answers. It’s more like a Sh1t online version of guess who. I would appreciate an answer to this though; do you go to watch town play? And if so, how often? |
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hope all of you jealous older men have enjoyed the gratification and trying (and failing, again) to demean a young lad. hope you all find what you’re looking for in life so you can get over your obsession with me. i’ll enjoy my summer knowing i’m rent free as always with you lot, wacca x
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That’s a slightly immature comment isn’t it? Nobody is ‘trying’ to demean you, you are doing a grand enough job of that yourself.
Now, what everyone is trying to ascertain is what is your actual beef with the current owners of the club?
I also wouldn’t class it as an obsession either. You are playing things like a politician and not giving any direct answers. It’s more like a Sh1t online version of guess who.
I would appreciate an answer to this though; do you go to watch town play? And if so, how often?
if you want to see immature, look at some of the comments from 40+ year old guys about me on this forum👍🏻 i go to every home game and as many away games as possible, around 15. watched them consistently since i was 7 and it will never stop, no matter who is in charge. |
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I think he is probably trying to be helpful Wako
In all seriousness going on like this and sending yourself rhetorical questions on social media ,to me does not seem the greatest or kindest thing to do to yourself ; i get people have different views and opinions but when it starts to overide your thinking it cannot be good for you .
I think you need to take a step back, if you have issues with the club approach them directly , ask them and you might get the answers you need for your own peace of mind .
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if you want to see immature, look at some of the comments from 40+ year old guys about me on this forum👍🏻
i go to every home game and as many away games as possible, around 15. watched them consistently since i was 7 and it will never stop, no matter who is in charge.
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hope all of you jealous older men have enjoyed the gratification and trying (and failing, again) to demean a young lad. hope you all find what you’re looking for in life so you can get over your obsession with me. i’ll enjoy my summer knowing i’m rent free as always with you lot, wacca x
It's not about demeaning you, it's about asking you provide proof and evidence as your previous calls on transfers have been wildly inaccurate. How you have set about your one man mission to bring Debbie down is actually incredibly disrespectful and it is conveniently hidden behind the 'dozens' of people messaging only you. There are means and ways to go about things, reposting disrespectful questions people (or you) have sent to answer is, quite frankly, not on. Step forward with some evidence, have a mature conversation and people might be a bit nicer in return. |
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It's not about demeaning you, it's about asking you provide proof and evidence as your previous calls on transfers have been wildly inaccurate.
How you have set about your one man mission to bring Debbie down is actually incredibly disrespectful and it is conveniently hidden behind the 'dozens' of people messaging only you. There are means and ways to go about things, reposting disrespectful questions people (or you) have sent to answer is, quite frankly, not on.
Step forward with some evidence, have a mature conversation and people might be a bit nicer in return.
the thing is people have cane forward on my posts themselves but all of you seem to have conveniently forgot to look at them ones… also if i’m aware I could do with naming my sources but I don’t, there is a very clear reason why i’m not |
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the thing is people have cane forward on my posts themselves but all of you seem to have conveniently forgot to look at them ones…
also if i’m aware I could do with naming my sources but I don’t, there is a very clear reason why i’m not
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the thing is people have cane forward on my posts themselves but all of you seem to have conveniently forgot to look at them ones…
also if i’m aware I could do with naming my sources but I don’t, there is a very clear reason why i’m not
Maybe you could enlighten us and link us to these posts so I don't have to see the weird story about our former goalkeepers sex life again. The posts I've seen usually have no likes, and any comments are from flat earthers, climate change deniers and wind up merchants similar to yourself. The problem is Wacca, you go about it in the wrong way and trust has to be earned. A number of posters here don't have to reveal their sources because they have a track record of being spot on with their information. You, on the other hand, told us Dallas was definitely signing so our trust level in you is understandably at zero. Fair play, you got the Spilsbury departure right, but there better ways to go about communicating that. |
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Maybe you could enlighten us and link us to these posts so I don't have to see the weird story about our former goalkeepers sex life again. The posts I've seen usually have no likes, and any comments are from flat earthers, climate change deniers and wind up merchants similar to yourself.
The problem is Wacca, you go about it in the wrong way and trust has to be earned. A number of posters here don't have to reveal their sources because they have a track record of being spot on with their information. You, on the other hand, told us Dallas was definitely signing so our trust level in you is understandably at zero.
Fair play, you got the Spilsbury departure right, but there better ways to go about communicating that.
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Ay up, what’s this about a former goalkeeper’s sex life?!
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Like all CVs and references tell the truth, add to that the fact you are no longer permitted to submit negative feedback on references as an employer, but can decline to offer a reference.
In my experience employing Trades men, who were in work, so you could only ask the previous employer which was, say, a 4-year-old trail. If I found reluctance for them to comment about the said worker, I would ask them If they would re-employ, and if not please just put the phone down. Worked for me. |
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Like all CVs and references tell the truth, add to that the fact you are no longer permitted to submit negative feedback on references as an employer, but can decline to offer a reference.
As long as a references are fair, accurate and truthful then including a negative feedback is quite acceptable. The problem is, in my experience, that most Managers have failed to address and discuss the “negative issues” with the employee concerned and that’s why it can’t be addressed in the reference. Not saying anything Wacca is saying is correct but having provided HR services to over 60 companies of varying size it’s not unprecedented for these sort of allegations to be ignored, be they of bullying or any other acts of discrimination, for many a year, especially where that organisation is successful. It can be very difficult to prove but when you’ve sat in rooms with people who have been bullied you realise the distress and adverse effect this has on employees. As for posters saying who cares as long as we have success on the pitch they need to take a hard look at themselves in the mirror and ask how they would react if it was one of their family being bullied. For balance I have also worked in organisations where an employee’s immediate response to having poor performance or behaviour addressed is one of discrimination or bullying so it all comes down to managing people correctly. No idea how good or bad the working environment is at town but there are an awful lot of posters who won’t accept any criticism of the current regime just because it’s not Fenty. The management of ticket sales, when season tickets are going on sale and the lack of club merchandise are all areas where improvement is required but some just “ don’t care as it’s not JF”. Me personally I don’t have any reason to question them as things stand but would expect the board to be considering all areas of running the club on an ongoing basis addressing those areas that require improvement as and when resources allow. |
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As long as a references are fair, accurate and truthful then including a negative feedback is quite acceptable. The problem is, in my experience, that most Managers have failed to address and discuss the “negative issues” with the employee concerned and that’s why it can’t be addressed in the reference.
Not saying anything Wacca is saying is correct but having provided HR services to over 60 companies of varying size it’s not unprecedented for these sort of allegations to be ignored, be they of bullying or any other acts of discrimination, for many a year, especially where that organisation is successful. It can be very difficult to prove but when you’ve sat in rooms with people who have been bullied you realise the distress and adverse effect this has on employees.
As for posters saying who cares as long as we have success on the pitch they need to take a hard look at themselves in the mirror and ask how they would react if it was one of their family being bullied.
For balance I have also worked in organisations where an employee’s immediate response to having poor performance or behaviour addressed is one of discrimination or bullying so it all comes down to managing people correctly.
No idea how good or bad the working environment is at town but there are an awful lot of posters who won’t accept any criticism of the current regime just because it’s not Fenty. The management of ticket sales, when season tickets are going on sale and the lack of club merchandise are all areas where improvement is required but some just “ don’t care as it’s not JF”. Me personally I don’t have any reason to question them as things stand but would expect the board to be considering all areas of running the club on an ongoing basis addressing those areas that require improvement as and when resources allow.
In truth i have never thought about being bullied in the workplace . It might be simplistic but if i hated my workplace or was being bullied by someone or the organisation as a whole it would be a simple F*uck off (after I have found something else in my field of course ) and if it was one of my family i would be telling them to do the same ; sometimes you just have to stick up for yourself . Or if it's your own shortcomings improve to meet the needs of the employer or again find something else you are better at . I have not got a clue about goings on behind the scenes at Town it's literally just Wakki thats brought them in to any sort of spotlight , but I take what Jason and Andrew say on face value as they seem transparent enough . I would br more interested on an update about the training ground , disabled faciility improvements and if any sort of small capacity increase is possible for next season than what Cropper is doing with his chopper or how Daniel Spilsbury (i did not know who he even was) has been removed from the staff squad list tbh |
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Maybe you could enlighten us and link us to these posts so I don't have to see the weird story about our former goalkeepers sex life again. The posts I've seen usually have no likes, and any comments are from flat earthers, climate change deniers and wind up merchants similar to yourself.
The problem is Wacca, you go about it in the wrong way and trust has to be earned. A number of posters here don't have to reveal their sources because they have a track record of being spot on with their information. You, on the other hand, told us Dallas was definitely signing so our trust level in you is understandably at zero.
Fair play, you got the Spilsbury departure right, but there better ways to go about communicating that.
if you think joking about transfers and this situation are comparable, you’re a clown. I would not lie about stuff like this simply because I know the legal implications if I was wrong, but I am not. I said spilsbury weeks ago and how it was going to play out, accurately. that came from a source I will not expose no matter what. the same source with other info given, which is why it should be believed. |
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As long as a references are fair, accurate and truthful then including a negative feedback is quite acceptable. The problem is, in my experience, that most Managers have failed to address and discuss the “negative issues” with the employee concerned and that’s why it can’t be addressed in the reference.
Not saying anything Wacca is saying is correct but having provided HR services to over 60 companies of varying size it’s not unprecedented for these sort of allegations to be ignored, be they of bullying or any other acts of discrimination, for many a year, especially where that organisation is successful. It can be very difficult to prove but when you’ve sat in rooms with people who have been bullied you realise the distress and adverse effect this has on employees.
As for posters saying who cares as long as we have success on the pitch they need to take a hard look at themselves in the mirror and ask how they would react if it was one of their family being bullied.
For balance I have also worked in organisations where an employee’s immediate response to having poor performance or behaviour addressed is one of discrimination or bullying so it all comes down to managing people correctly.
No idea how good or bad the working environment is at town but there are an awful lot of posters who won’t accept any criticism of the current regime just because it’s not Fenty. The management of ticket sales, when season tickets are going on sale and the lack of club merchandise are all areas where improvement is required but some just “ don’t care as it’s not JF”. Me personally I don’t have any reason to question them as things stand but would expect the board to be considering all areas of running the club on an ongoing basis addressing those areas that require improvement as and when resources allow.
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Is that because they don’t exist?
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i appreciate that final part, this is what this whole thing is about. raising questions and holding the board accountable on the same level we would with fenty. everyone is too blind to grasp that simple concept
I don't think we even did hold Fenty accountable though did we ? for many years we on the whole did not particularly question him -like i have said before I thought he was just running the club as a fish factory up until the Alex May incident when it became apparent things were more sinister . He was outed by people with a face to their names ,who had photographic evidence of what was happening to back up their claims . |
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if you think joking about transfers and this situation are comparable, you’re a clown. I would not lie about stuff like this simply because I know the legal implications if I was wrong, but I am not.
I said spilsbury weeks ago and how it was going to play out, accurately. that came from a source I will not expose no matter what. the same source with other info given, which is why it should be believed.
It is about building up some credibility so that when you come out with the big stuff, people are more inclined to believe you. You still won't acknowledge the way you have approached things is unacceptable or provided evidence of people coming forward on your tweets. You said people have come forward on your tweets but we have chosen to ignore them. To save us scrolling through nonsense about toy collections, link some of the tweets of people coming forward here. |
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Good thread this.
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I don't think we even did hold Fenty accountable though did we ? for many years we on the whole did not particularly question him -like i have said before I thought he was just running the club as a fish factory up until the Alex May incident when it became apparent things were more sinister .
He was outed by people with a face to their names ,who had photographic evidence of what was happening to back up their claims .
exactly, this is to avoid situations like that. I can put very credible names to my claims but it’s down to if I can get the people to agree and potentially risk legal action |
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Hmmmm yeah good topic, which is an important one, but the name of the thread isn't the best.
I have no idea what you really want mate but you can't expect any creditably when some of the things you say, now being described as a joke, are proven to be wrong.
If you have evidence that's great, do what you want with it, but teasing all the time and not really delivering just undermines everything you say.
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Hmmmm yeah good topic, which is an important one, but the name of the thread isn't the best.
I have no idea what you really want mate but you can't expect any creditably when some of the things you say, now being described as a joke, are proven to be wrong.
If you have evidence that's great, do what you want with it, but teasing all the time and not really delivering just undermines everything you say.
previous things were incredible clear it was a joke from the start, it was even said by half the replies which I never denied this on the other hand has had a very different tone. As I can’t come forward with name to the proper channels, creating a conversation and encouraging more people to come forward is the current best option. If there is no sort of response over the next few weeks then I will discuss more direct options very annoying to see the ignorance and rose-tinted glasses towards this board when they’d have shot fenty for being accused of this stuff |
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previous things were incredible clear it was a joke from the start, it was even said by half the replies which I never denied
this on the other hand has had a very different tone. As I can’t come forward with name to the proper channels, creating a conversation and encouraging more people to come forward is the current best option.
If there is no sort of response over the next few weeks then I will discuss more direct options
very annoying to see the ignorance and rose-tinted glasses towards this board when they’d have shot fenty for being accused of this stuff
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exactly, this is to avoid situations like that. I can put very credible names to my claims but it’s down to if I can get the people to agree and potentially risk legal action
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As an employer of people across 5 businesses, I have to say that I find this whole thing that Wacca is ranting on about, very disturbing. There is absolutely no need to be dragging all of this up and creating bad PR problems online like this. And from where I am sitting, this reflects badly on Wacca and the former employee's, not on the club as the employer.
In terms of former employee's of the business. They had rights whilst being employed, and they could choose to exercise those rights. Believe me, when it comes to employment law, then employee's have far more rights than what employers do.
Waccas suggestion that former employee's have signed some legal form of non-disclosure agreement is disturbing in itself. Not disturbing "IF" they have signed some sort of NDA, because that is quite normal. But disturbing because these people are choosing to allegedly inform Wacca about the details of these things in an attempt to use him as a mouthpiece for the purpose of creating adverse PR. That would itself bring me to question the integrity of someone that has entered into a legal agreement, but then informs people like Wacca about it.
Nobody forces an employee to accept the conditions of something like an NDA, it's their own choice. And in employment law, it's not just a case of here you go sign this and shut up. An employer has to give an employee advice to seek their own legal representation, and things like this cannot usually proceed unless the employee has legal representation themselves. If the employee has a grievance with their employer, that they are confident about; then they have the choice on whether or not to pursue that grievance and perhaps something along the lines of a claim for constructive dismissal (or many of the other options available with a grievance) etc.
In most instances, it's likely that if something like this does actually exist, that it would be by way of what is know as a Settlement Agreement on the termination of their employment. A Settlement Agreement would be a legally binding agreement with four elements. 1) contractual notice pay, 2) accrued unused holiday pay , 3) any outstanding contracted bonus, 4) a loss of claim payment, which is essentially an additional payment agreed on termination of employment, which indemnifies an employer against any subsequent claims following the agreement. There is no set amount for a loss of claim payment.
It would also be imperative that any discussions around a Settlement Agreement are covered by either a "Protected Conversation" under Section111a of Employment Rights Act 1996; or alternatively a "Without Prejudice Conversation" in the event there is a current and live dispute ongoing. And just so you know, an employee cannot engage with or accept a Settlement Agreement unless they have been represented and advised by their own legal representative either. In a nutshell, if the employee hasn't got their own solicitor, then a Settlement Agreement on termination cannot happen. The employee's cost of legal representation can be rolled into the loss of claim payment as part of the agreement.
So in summary, nobody forces any employee to enter into any legally binding agreement that they don't want to. They do so willingly and with their own legal advisors onboard. So, if they have chosen to enter into an agreement, and have subsequently decided to spill the beans to this Wacca geezer, then they are very naughty and also very naïve. They shouldn't have been accepting an agreement if they didn't intend to abide by it.
If Wacca is suggesting that something like this has occurred, and the club isn't commenting on it, then I would actually say a big well done to the club, for recognising its legal responsibility to former employees under any agreements that are in place. And I would say to the employee's, stop feeding this Wacca person things that you shouldn't be feeding him, in order to anonymously make a noise about something you appear to have legally agreed to settle on. Because quite simply, if you do have an agreement in place, then you are breaching it, and perhaps you was daft to accept an agreement in the first place if you didn't intend to honour it.
We live in a world where there are always going to be issues and grievances that need to be aired between employer and employee, and concluded properly. But it is very distasteful if people then want to then cause subsequent mutterings and bad PR, and hide behind someone else like Wacca.
But then of course there is always the chance that Wacca is a fantasist or a bit of a Walter Mitty character.
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As an employer of people across 5 businesses, I have to say that I find this whole thing that Wacca is ranting on about, very disturbing. There is absolutely no need to be dragging all of this up and creating problems online like this.
In terms of former employee's of the business. They had rights whilst being employed, and they could choose to exercise those rights. Believe me, when it comes to employment law, then employee's have far more rights than what employers do.
Your suggestion that former employee's have signed some legal form of non-disclosure agreement is disturbing in itself. Not disturbing because they have signed some sort of NDA, because that is quite normal. But disturbing because these people are choosing to allegedly inform you about the details of these things. That would itself bring me to question the integrity of someone that has entered into a legal agreement, but then informs people like you about it.
Nobody forces an employee to accept the conditions of something like an NDA, it's their own choice. And in employment law, it's not just a case of here you go sign this and shut up. An employer has to give an employee advice to seek their own legal representation, and things like this cannot usually proceed unless the employee has legal representation themselves. If the employee has a grievance with their employer, that they are confident about; then they have the choice on whether or not to pursue that grievance and perhaps a claim for constructive dismissal (or many of the other options available with a grievance) etc.
In most instances, it's likely that if something like this does actually exist, that it would be by way of what is know as a Settlement Agreement on the termination of their employment. A Settlement Agreement would be a legally binding agreement with four elements. 1) contractual notice pay, 2) accrued unused holiday pay , 3) any outstanding contracted bonus, 4) a loss of claim payment, which essentially an additional payment agreed on termination of employment, which indemnifies an employer against any subsequent claims following the agreement. There is no set amount for a loss of claim payment.
It would also be imperative that any discussions around a Settlement Agreement are covered by either a "Protected Conversation" under Section111a of Employment Rights Act 1996; or alternatively a "Without Prejudice Conversation" in the event there is a current and live dispute ongoing. And just so you know, an employee cannot engage and accept a Settlement Agreement unless they have been represented and advised by their own legal representative either. In a nutshell, if the employee hasn't got their own solicitor, then a Settlement Agreement on termination cannot happen. The employee's cost of legal representation can be rolled into the loss of claim payment as part of the agreement.
So in summary, nobody forces any employee to enter into any legally binding agreement that they don't want to. They do so willingly and with their own legal advisors onboard. So, if they have chosen to enter into an agreement, and have subsequently decided to spill the beans to this Wacca geezer, then they are very naughty and also very naïve. They shouldn't have been accepting an agreement if they didn't intend to abide by it.
If Wacca is suggesting that something like this has occurred, and the club isn't commenting on it, then I would actually say a big well done to the club, for recognising its legal responsibility to former employees under any agreements that are in place. And I would say to the employee's, stop feeding this Wacca person things that you shouldn't be feeding him, in order to anonymously make a noise about something you appear to have legally agreed to settle on.
We live in a world where there are always going to be issues and grievances that need to be aired and concluded properly. But it is very distasteful if people then want to then cause subsequent mutterings and hide behind someone.
I think you may have just blown Wacca's mind here, Dale. |
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Not quite correct, he had a go and Rob needed to check he wasn't personally liable as the host. He’s not and it’s up to individual posters to manage their own legal balance. Certainly no names and addresses were given out to old beige turtle neck.
Then how was he getting names and addresses to invite people over for a "chat" where he printed out stuff said on the Fishy to make them stop? I know at least 3 people this happened to after the site came back and was demanding your name and address to be able to post again. If none of that had to do with what Fenty wanted then why were names and addresses collected in the first place? I'm sure giving them out was a violation of privacy laws unless Fenty managed to get some sort of legal ruling for it to happen on demand. He didn't find a name on a screen and send a private investigator to find out who they are to contact them I'm sure. |
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Then how was he getting names and addresses to invite people over for a "chat" where he printed out stuff said on the Fishy to make them stop? I know at least 3 people this happened to after the site came back and was demanding your name and address to be able to post again. If none of that had to do with what Fenty wanted then why were names and addresses collected in the first place? I'm sure giving them out was a violation of privacy laws unless Fenty managed to get some sort of legal ruling for it to happen on demand. He didn't find a name on a screen and send a private investigator to find out who they are to contact them I'm sure.
Being one of those invited to Fenty Towers, and to my knowledge, the only one that actually went, I can assure you that Rob didn't give out any of my details. Rob private messaged me saying that JF would like to invite me in for a chat and giving me JF's mobile number. I rang him and chatted, before deciding to go into BP for a longer talk. |
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As an employer of people across 5 businesses, I have to say that I find this whole thing that Wacca is ranting on about, very disturbing. There is absolutely no need to be dragging all of this up and creating bad PR problems online like this. And from where I am sitting, this reflects badly on Wacca and the former employee's, not on the club as the employer.
In terms of former employee's of the business. They had rights whilst being employed, and they could choose to exercise those rights. Believe me, when it comes to employment law, then employee's have far more rights than what employers do.
Waccas suggestion that former employee's have signed some legal form of non-disclosure agreement is disturbing in itself. Not disturbing "IF" they have signed some sort of NDA, because that is quite normal. But disturbing because these people are choosing to allegedly inform Wacca about the details of these things in an attempt to use him as a mouthpiece for the purpose of creating adverse PR. That would itself bring me to question the integrity of someone that has entered into a legal agreement, but then informs people like Wacca about it.
Nobody forces an employee to accept the conditions of something like an NDA, it's their own choice. And in employment law, it's not just a case of here you go sign this and shut up. An employer has to give an employee advice to seek their own legal representation, and things like this cannot usually proceed unless the employee has legal representation themselves. If the employee has a grievance with their employer, that they are confident about; then they have the choice on whether or not to pursue that grievance and perhaps something along the lines of a claim for constructive dismissal (or many of the other options available with a grievance) etc.
In most instances, it's likely that if something like this does actually exist, that it would be by way of what is know as a Settlement Agreement on the termination of their employment. A Settlement Agreement would be a legally binding agreement with four elements. 1) contractual notice pay, 2) accrued unused holiday pay , 3) any outstanding contracted bonus, 4) a loss of claim payment, which is essentially an additional payment agreed on termination of employment, which indemnifies an employer against any subsequent claims following the agreement. There is no set amount for a loss of claim payment.
It would also be imperative that any discussions around a Settlement Agreement are covered by either a "Protected Conversation" under Section111a of Employment Rights Act 1996; or alternatively a "Without Prejudice Conversation" in the event there is a current and live dispute ongoing. And just so you know, an employee cannot engage with or accept a Settlement Agreement unless they have been represented and advised by their own legal representative either. In a nutshell, if the employee hasn't got their own solicitor, then a Settlement Agreement on termination cannot happen. The employee's cost of legal representation can be rolled into the loss of claim payment as part of the agreement.
So in summary, nobody forces any employee to enter into any legally binding agreement that they don't want to. They do so willingly and with their own legal advisors onboard. So, if they have chosen to enter into an agreement, and have subsequently decided to spill the beans to this Wacca geezer, then they are very naughty and also very naïve. They shouldn't have been accepting an agreement if they didn't intend to abide by it.
If Wacca is suggesting that something like this has occurred, and the club isn't commenting on it, then I would actually say a big well done to the club, for recognising its legal responsibility to former employees under any agreements that are in place. And I would say to the employee's, stop feeding this Wacca person things that you shouldn't be feeding him, in order to anonymously make a noise about something you appear to have legally agreed to settle on. Because quite simply, if you do have an agreement in place, then you are breaching it, and perhaps you was daft to accept an agreement in the first place if you didn't intend to honour it.
We live in a world where there are always going to be issues and grievances that need to be aired between employer and employee, and concluded properly. But it is very distasteful if people then want to then cause subsequent mutterings and bad PR, and hide behind someone else like Wacca.
But then of course there is always the chance that Wacca is a fantasist or a bit of a Walter Mitty character.
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Just been told another is leaving the club. Liam who does the match day moments is going at the end of the season.
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Shame about Liam, quite clearly it was his dream job but you’d imagine going up & down the country for probably a low wage isn’t sustainable long term.
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Shame about Liam, quite clearly it was his dream job but you’d imagine going up & down the country for probably a low wage isn’t sustainable long term.
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Don't want to put words in Liam's mouth but he also moved to the Grantham area last summer and that's a chore of a daily commute
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Emmerson's probably been poached by a bigger club. Hope we've put a big sell on clause in the deal - the lad has unlimited potential and could go right to the very top.
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He always lived that way…
In his statement he says he moved to GY in 2015 |
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In his statement he says he moved to GY in 2015
He’s lived away for a fair number of years, even before working for town officially. Spoke to him briefly a few times and he’s mentioned about travelling in and working from home during the week. |
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Wacca did say a member of the media team was moving on the other day.
Liam will be a huge loss, he raised the bar for our media output significantly.
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To be fair the staff turn over since the takeover has been somewhat impressive
by my calculation there has been 15 full time staff leave plus a few player back room staff.
Not great when the staff count is less than 30
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Wacca did say a member of the media team was moving on the other day.
Liam will be a huge loss, he raised the bar for our media output significantly.
nobody listen to wacca, everything he’s said about departures is made up👍🏻 according to the rose tinted glasses wearers of the fishy correct about spilsbury and the manner of it, correct about media man and was informed on graham rodgers leaving months ago. start opening your eyes to the truth, the level of turnover and the manner which plenty have been done is not normal. |
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Then how was he getting names and addresses to invite people over for a "chat" where he printed out stuff said on the Fishy to make them stop? I know at least 3 people this happened to after the site came back and was demanding your name and address to be able to post again. If none of that had to do with what Fenty wanted then why were names and addresses collected in the first place? I'm sure giving them out was a violation of privacy laws unless Fenty managed to get some sort of legal ruling for it to happen on demand. He didn't find a name on a screen and send a private investigator to find out who they are to contact them I'm sure.
Kris, I take it you’ve now seen replies to this directly from two people affected. Hope you’re happy to have this cleared up. |
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Wacca it's more the way you go about it and your replies to others.
It's a shame Liam is going, his content is absolutely fantastic and I wish him well moving forward.
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nobody listen to wacca, everything he’s said about departures is made up👍🏻 according to the rose tinted glasses wearers of the fishy
correct about spilsbury and the manner of it, correct about media man and was informed on graham rodgers leaving months ago. start opening your eyes to the truth, the level of turnover and the manner which plenty have been done is not normal.
What is not normal for Town has happened on the pitch. Promoted at the first attempt, mid League 2 + finish to the season and of course a quarter final cup appearance. In football terms, things have happened fast at BP and it's up to the staff to move with the times. |
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Then how was he getting names and addresses to invite people over for a "chat" where he printed out stuff said on the Fishy to make them stop? I know at least 3 people this happened to after the site came back and was demanding your name and address to be able to post again. If none of that had to do with what Fenty wanted then why were names and addresses collected in the first place? I'm sure giving them out was a violation of privacy laws unless Fenty managed to get some sort of legal ruling for it to happen on demand. He didn't find a name on a screen and send a private investigator to find out who they are to contact them I'm sure.
When I posted something about Lee Mullen once my personal details were given to Lee by Rob so he could contact me, needless to say I didn't contact him back. |
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Not normal? Or entirely normal when a business that has been on life support for 20 years, where people in roles clearly have little or zero impact and doing nothing to challenge the status quo…this literally happens at every club when it’s taken over and wants to progress.
Lincoln saw the same for about 3 years, City, Hull, Forest, Bolton
There’s a minute cohort of fans that don’t like it, mainly because they benefited from those characters being in their roles. Heard a bloke not so long ago who ‘did work for the club’ under Fenty moaning about the new owners because he doesn’t get a handful of tickets for games anymore…
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Not normal? Or entirely normal when a business that has been on life support for 20 years, where people in roles clearly have little or zero impact and doing nothing to challenge the status quo…this literally happens at every club when it’s taken over and wants to progress.
Lincoln saw the same for about 3 years, City, Hull, Forest, Bolton
There’s a minute cohort of fans that don’t like it, mainly because they benefited from those characters being in their roles. Heard a bloke not so long ago who ‘did work for the club’ under Fenty moaning about the new owners because he doesn’t get a handful of tickets for games anymore…
The thing is it’s not just Fenty-era staff departing is it? The turnover of new staff is alarming too. Which points to poor recruitment. And when I say poor recruitment I don’t mean employing staff you aren’t up to the task. I mean advertising a role, selling the role to talented people at interview (remember job interviews are a 2-way process, a business has to sell itself to talented individuals to get the best candidate for the role just as much as the candidate is selling him/herself to the business) and then the role not being as described and/or the culture in the business being totally as odds with the values presented during the recruitment process and publicly. I’ve heard a few concerning things about how things are run at the club. One from a long-term sponsor of an advertising board. Every year they’d received a call from the commercial team in the last few weeks of the season to thank them for advertising during the season and informally setting up the following season and reserving a space. At the end of last season they heard nothing. Throughout the offseason they heard nothing. The season started and they heard nothing. Anybody sitting in the Pontoon, Main or Osmond this season would have noticed how many blank advertising boards there are on the Findus Stand side of the ground. It doesn’t look good when long term partners are being lost through laziness when there’s no replacement for the income generated from them. |
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The thing is it’s not just Fenty-era staff departing is it? The turnover of new staff is alarming too. Which points to poor recruitment.
And when I say poor recruitment I don’t mean employing staff you aren’t up to the task. I mean advertising a role, selling the role to talented people at interview (remember job interviews are a 2-way process, a business has to sell itself to talented individuals to get the best candidate for the role just as much as the candidate is selling him/herself to the business) and then the role not being as described and/or the culture in the business being totally as odds with the values presented during the recruitment process and publicly.
I’ve heard a few concerning things about how things are run at the club. One from a long-term sponsor of an advertising board. Every year they’d received a call from the commercial team in the last few weeks of the season to thank them for advertising during the season and informally setting up the following season and reserving a space. At the end of last season they heard nothing. Throughout the offseason they heard nothing. The season started and they heard nothing.
Anybody sitting in the Pontoon, Main or Osmond this season would have noticed how many blank advertising boards there are on the Findus Stand side of the ground.
It doesn’t look good when long term partners are being lost through laziness when there’s no replacement for the income generated from them.
I’m not disagreeing but I have noticed at a fair few games this year, especially away, that aside from top clubs, advertising seems a little thinner on the ground, particularly in the stand that houses the cameras. Perhaps there is a conflict and sometimes, as employers, recruitment can be skewed or not as successful as first thought. I’d argue that on the one hand, seeing an issue and solving it, in this case, moving folk on is sensible but I do take the point that it may pose wider questions and is a two way street…that said, my example still stands, the people I’ve encountered shouting the loudest, in my vicinity anyway, are just mardy because they don’t benefit anymore by someone not being in a role etc…. |
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At least this regime paid Liam so he actually had a job to leave - he was volunteering under Fenty, wasn’t he?
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I’m not disagreeing but I have noticed at a fair few games this year, especially away, that aside from top clubs, advertising seems a little thinner on the ground, particularly in the stand that houses the cameras.
Perhaps there is a conflict and sometimes, as employers, recruitment can be skewed or not as successful as first thought. I’d argue that on the one hand, seeing an issue and solving it, in this case, moving folk on is sensible but I do take the point that it may pose wider questions and is a two way street…that said, my example still stands, the people I’ve encountered shouting the loudest, in my vicinity anyway, are just mardy because they don’t benefit anymore by someone not being in a role etc….
Exactly. The boards on the camera side of the ground are the ones that often go to the small local businesses. I have a friend who owns a Barbers Shop in Lincoln who has a advertising board at Sincil Bank on the camera side of the ground. The new owners talk about the wider community, but the experience relayed to me suggests the club has lost touch with small local businesses who have basically donated money to the club for years. |
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Bradford have attracted sponsorship for every player in their squad it would seem, plus all coaching and backroom staff and stewards! It took so long to announce the team before the game I had earache. I don't buy programmes but I guess Bradford's is stuffed with sponsored adds.
Harrogate also had lots of sponsor mentions over the tannoy. Not saying that is a positive but it is a point of difference to the BP experience.
As an exile, I could not name another sponsor other than My Energy.
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nobody listen to wacca, everything he’s said about departures is made up👍🏻 according to the rose tinted glasses wearers of the fishy
correct about spilsbury and the manner of it, correct about media man and was informed on graham rodgers leaving months ago. start opening your eyes to the truth, the level of turnover and the manner which plenty have been done is not normal.
Tbf to you Wacca the amount of people coming out of the woodwork about Debbie Cook suggests it could be more than just hearsay . So sorry for dismissing you on that one Neil |
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Bradford have attracted sponsorship for every player in their squad it would seem, plus all coaching and backroom staff and stewards! It took so long to announce the team before the game I had earache. I don't buy programmes but I guess Bradford's is stuffed with sponsored adds.
Harrogate also had lots of sponsor mentions over the tannoy. Not saying that is a positive but it is a point of difference to the BP experience.
As an exile, I could not name another sponsor other than My Energy.
Perhaps the STH renewal packs will remind me.
Think they also had either corners or the added on time announcement sponsored too, with the sponsor’s name & logo displayed on the big screen next to the away end. They must make a bomb through advertising & be very good at selling it! I wouldn’t be too concerned with staff leaving them if we were replacing them with better quality staff. Not sure if that’s happening? Honestly couldn’t say. What’s clear though is in the media/marketing/comms area, the outward facing part of the business save for 90mins a week, you can’t afford to be doing it on the cheap. There are thousands of football clubs in the country, an industry worth billions & the U.K’s #1 sport, and there are only about 80-odd currently better than us. We should be a major attraction to anyone with any aspirations to get involved in this side of the industry, or any sports-related media/marketing. There’s no reason why we shouldn’t be attracting top-level, qualified & talented candidates and the pay & conditions need to reflect that. If we’re happy to lose a million quid a year, what’s another £10k to really attract someone in these roles? |
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Exactly. The boards on the camera side of the ground are the ones that often go to the small local businesses. I have a friend who owns a Barbers Shop in Lincoln who has a advertising board at Sincil Bank on the camera side of the ground. The new owners talk about the wider community, but the experience relayed to me suggests the club has lost touch with small local businesses who have basically donated money to the club for years.
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Not mates with Tom Robinson are you by any chance?
Yeah, he used to cut my hair in Grantham before he set up on his own and then used him in Lincoln at his shop despite how many Lincoln City shirts he has framed on the wall. Nice guy. |
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Not sure if I’m in the minority, but in terms of comings and going’s, I’m only really interested in the playing and coaching side and don’t particularly feel the need to know about back room staff, and I don’t think the club have a duty to keep us up to date on that side either tbh. Also don’t think the club had a duty to respond to rumours that generally come from a handful of people on Twitter - employment is by and large a pretty private issue.
When talking about the wider business of a club, people say that it’s a results business and they’re only concerned about what happens on the pitch and then moan and dream up conspiracies when the club didn’t tell us that Peter from the ticket office and Julie from the commercial team left recently and we weren’t informed.
Yes lots of people have left in the last two years, but it doesn’t mean they’ve all left for exactly the same reason does it?
About 4 years ago we had a regime change at the company I work for and the staff turnover has been massive in that time. There’s no one big reason or conspiracy and there certainly hasn’t been anyone bullied out of the job as far as I’m aware. But people definitely left because they didn’t like the new way of working.
I honestly think a big symptom of this whole thing is social media culture, people being bored and constantly wanting some kind of update or news or to be fed something. In a weird way people LOVED the weekly or almost daily club statements that came from the old regime, the yearly manager sackings and the rumour circus that came with it, the fallings out with local radio, I could go on, but it brought people entertainment in a perverse way.
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A lot of dead wood gone. Most companies could do with a clearout from time to time.
How do you know that all employees leaving are deadwood? It’s already been acknowledged that a number of the departures are people appointed by the current regime that would imply their recruitment is sadly lacking. I’m sure that there will be a mixture of reasons for the turnover level and most of those will have been covered in posts on this thread but if the number of changes in staff is accurate then it should be something the trust is raising at board level and investigated, not least as the club may need to completely overhaul their recruitment process. Also as some posters have said the facts are certain aspects of the club, particularly sponsorship, doesn’t appear to be improving but in fact deteriorating. |
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Yeah, he used to cut my hair in Grantham before he set up on his own and then used him in Lincoln at his shop despite how many Lincoln City shirts he has framed on the wall. Nice guy.
He his very genuine and I also use him and over the years he’s been a great source of information about what’s going on at Lincoln. Due a visit so I’ll be sussing you out with him😀😀 |
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Not sure if I’m in the minority, but in terms of comings and going’s, I’m only really interested in the playing and coaching side and don’t particularly feel the need to know about back room staff, and I don’t think the club have a duty to keep us up to date on that side either tbh. Also don’t think the club had a duty to respond to rumours that generally come from a handful of people on Twitter - employment is by and large a pretty private issue.
When talking about the wider business of a club, people say that it’s a results business and they’re only concerned about what happens on the pitch and then moan and dream up conspiracies when the club didn’t tell us that Peter from the ticket office and Julie from the commercial team left recently and we weren’t informed.
Yes lots of people have left in the last two years, but it doesn’t mean they’ve all left for exactly the same reason does it?
About 4 years ago we had a regime change at the company I work for and the staff turnover has been massive in that time. There’s no one big reason or conspiracy and there certainly hasn’t been anyone bullied out of the job as far as I’m aware. But people definitely left because they didn’t like the new way of working.
I honestly think a big symptom of this whole thing is social media culture, people being bored and constantly wanting some kind of update or news or to be fed something. In a weird way people LOVED the weekly or almost daily club statements that came from the old regime, the yearly manager sackings and the rumour circus that came with it, the fallings out with local radio, I could go on, but it brought people entertainment in a perverse way.
Ohh I am not going to lie I did look forward to our former primary funders off the cuff rants/statements and interviews ,they were priceless tbf - the stadium tour is still sometimes a go to when wanting a pick me up Just a shame that fans forum with Mr Shut Up has now vanished , and the hatchet job on Matt Dean was another particularly dour yet entertaining turn . Does anyone have a link for that anymore ? |
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A lot of dead wood gone. Most companies could do with a clearout from time to time.
Dead wood like Dave Smith, Sam Strandt and Liam Emmerson? All 3 of those were highly respected by us fans and always provided an excellent service. We are clearly getting our recruitment wrong by either poor judgement or not meeting their expectations; possibly a combination of the two. Adam Smith lasted a short period as Chief Operating Officer (reporting to the CEO) before stepping down for family reasons. His replacement Daniel Spilsbury came in from QPR as Head of Operations (reporting to the CEO) and didn't even last 6 months. Jo Taylor came in as Head of Commercial (reporting to the CEO, and a good friend of hers apparently) and left after 6 months. 3 people, all reporting to the CEO have lasted a very short period of time, which certainly adds weight to the rumours. Dave Smith was excellent at retaining our commercial customers and kept in regular contact. There are a few people publicly saying that since he left nobody from the club have contacted them, which is shocking. When you consider the demographic of our commercial customer base, a former player adds to the match day experience. Our salaries are very poor, we have all seen the job adverts and that is probably putting off talented people from applying. |
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Dead wood like Dave Smith, Sam Strandt and Liam Emmerson?
All 3 of those were highly respected by us fans and always provided an excellent service.
We are clearly getting our recruitment wrong by either poor judgement or not meeting their expectations; possibly a combination of the two.
Adam Smith lasted a short period as Chief Operating Officer (reporting to the CEO) before stepping down for family reasons. His replacement Daniel Spilsbury came in from QPR as Head of Operations (reporting to the CEO) and didn't even last 6 months. Jo Taylor came in as Head of Commercial (reporting to the CEO, and a good friend of hers apparently) and left after 6 months.
3 people, all reporting to the CEO have lasted a very short period of time, which certainly adds weight to the rumours.
Dave Smith was excellent at retaining our commercial customers and kept in regular contact. There are a few people publicly saying that since he left nobody from the club have contacted them, which is shocking. When you consider the demographic of our commercial customer base, a former player adds to the match day experience.
Our salaries are very poor, we have all seen the job adverts and that is probably putting off talented people from applying.
I agree about the salaries . Kieran Maguire on one of his recent podcasts talked about this - it was quite interesting as he was saying most jobs at football clubs have lower salaries for roles in which you would get more outside of football ; in essence a lot of people are doing the job on a lesser salary for the love of the game/club. It would be interesting to know what we pay in comparison to other league 2 clubs (especially northern ones ) to establish whether we are low payers in comparison to other directly comparable employers or whether it is just the going rate for employees at our level . |
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I agree about the salaries .
Kieran Maguire on one of his recent podcasts talked about this - it was quite interesting as he was saying most jobs at football clubs have lower salaries for roles in which you would get more outside of football ; in essence a lot of people are doing the job on a lesser salary for the love of the game/club.
It would be interesting to know what we pay in comparison to other league 2 clubs (especially northern ones ) to establish whether we are low payers in comparison to other directly comparable employers or whether it is just the going rate for employees at our level .
Yes, Kieran Maguire has been saying this a lot recently. Football as an industry takes advantage of the fact many people want to work in football and often the team they support. When talented people have handed their notice in to the club post-takeover, have we done anything to try encourage them to stay? I think we all accept that change and staff turnover happens, but when very talented and respected people leave, we have a right to be concerned. |
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Think they also had either corners or the added on time announcement sponsored too, with the sponsor’s name & logo displayed on the big screen next to the away end. They must make a bomb through advertising & be very good at selling it!
I wouldn’t be too concerned with staff leaving them if we were replacing them with better quality staff. Not sure if that’s happening? Honestly couldn’t say. What’s clear though is in the media/marketing/comms area, the outward facing part of the business save for 90mins a week, you can’t afford to be doing it on the cheap.
There are thousands of football clubs in the country, an industry worth billions & the U.K’s #1 sport, and there are only about 80-odd currently better than us. We should be a major attraction to anyone with any aspirations to get involved in this side of the industry, or any sports-related media/marketing. There’s no reason why we shouldn’t be attracting top-level, qualified & talented candidates and the pay & conditions need to reflect that.
If we’re happy to lose a million quid a year, what’s another £10k to really attract someone in these roles?
The club pay absolutely intercourse all for those media / marketing / social media roles. When they advertised the current role for running all their social media accounts the salary was laughably low (like £21k) for a job that requires regular weekend and evening working. I think the new 'admin' is doing a pretty decent job considering what the club are paying him, but with wages that low you're not going to be hanging on to staff for long when other opportunities arise for them. |
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The club pay absolutely intercourse all for those media / marketing / social media roles. When they advertised the current role for running all their social media accounts the salary was laughably low (like £21k) for a job that requires regular weekend and evening working. I think the new 'admin' is doing a pretty decent job considering what the club are paying him, but with wages that low you're not going to be hanging on to staff for long when other opportunities arise for them.
Woùĺd that not be lower than minimum though ? That does seem extremely low , i live down south and the going rate for Marketing and SM jobs is about 40k ,again thats outside of football though . |
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Dead wood like Dave Smith, Sam Strandt and Liam Emmerson?
All 3 of those were highly respected by us fans and always provided an excellent service.
We are clearly getting our recruitment wrong by either poor judgement or not meeting their expectations; possibly a combination of the two.
Adam Smith lasted a short period as Chief Operating Officer (reporting to the CEO) before stepping down for family reasons. His replacement Daniel Spilsbury came in from QPR as Head of Operations (reporting to the CEO) and didn't even last 6 months. Jo Taylor came in as Head of Commercial (reporting to the CEO, and a good friend of hers apparently) and left after 6 months.
3 people, all reporting to the CEO have lasted a very short period of time, which certainly adds weight to the rumours.
Dave Smith was excellent at retaining our commercial customers and kept in regular contact. There are a few people publicly saying that since he left nobody from the club have contacted them, which is shocking. When you consider the demographic of our commercial customer base, a former player adds to the match day experience.
Our salaries are very poor, we have all seen the job adverts and that is probably putting off talented people from applying.
From my contact, they may moved the club company secretary out of her job to a lesser role to be replaced by a fully qualified one who they advertised for but couldn't get and they've put in Adam Smith in that role who is not a qualified company secretary. Whoever is in charge of recruitment and keeping staff looks like they are doing a crap job of it. |
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The club are now recruiting for an Events Manager who will be the licensee of McMenemys and line manage all of the hospitality staff. The salary for this is circa £24k. The club have shouted about being a Living Wage Employer, which means this Events Manager will earn £3,681 more than those who they line manage whilst having the added responsibility of being the licensee. Our salaries feel extremely low. The National Living Wage is £10.42 per hour, providing an annual salary of £20,319 for those who work 37.5 hours. meanwhile, the Living Wage Foundation have calculated that the real UK Living Wage factoring in the cost of living is £10.90 per hour, or a salary of £21,255 which further reduces the gap to £2,745. Without any pension or student loan reductions, the take home for the Events Manager is £1695 per month, or £391.20 per week. Is the stress and responsibility worth the extra £50 per week, or £36 per week if we are paying the Living Wage Foundations recommended Living Wage? The postholder is expected to be proficient in managing budgets, have a "results driven sales experience, delivering strong tangible financials in a customer focused organisation" whilst also having overall responsibility of the tills, alongside having their name above the door as licensee. https://gtfc.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Events-Manager-BreatheHR.pdf |
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I absolutely agree that some of the salary offerings for these roles seem pretty pitiful, but it does feel like the fans want it all. The club doesn't have infinite money - if they employ more of these support staff and pay them higher wages, that will inevitably impact on the playing budget for the squad. I'm sure that if we missed out on an important signing in the summer because we just didn't have quite enough money in the kitty, a lot of people on here would kick off - seems like a bit of a lose-lose for the club!
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The club are now recruiting for an Events Manager who will be the licensee of McMenemys and line manage all of the hospitality staff. The salary for this is circa £24k. The club have shouted about being a Living Wage Employer, which means this Events Manager will earn £3,681 more than those who they line manage whilst having the added responsibility of being the licensee. Our salaries feel extremely low. The National Living Wage is £10.42 per hour, providing an annual salary of £20,319 for those who work 37.5 hours. meanwhile, the Living Wage Foundation have calculated that the real UK Living Wage factoring in the cost of living is £10.90 per hour, or a salary of £21,255 which further reduces the gap to £2,745. Without any pension or student loan reductions, the take home for the Events Manager is £1695 per month, or £391.20 per week. Is the stress and responsibility worth the extra £50 per week, or £36 per week if we are paying the Living Wage Foundations recommended Living Wage? The postholder is expected to be proficient in managing budgets, have a "results driven sales experience, delivering strong tangible financials in a customer focused organisation" whilst also having overall responsibility of the tills, alongside having their name above the door as licensee. https://gtfc.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Events-Manager-BreatheHR.pdf
How would you even convince anyone to do that gig ? You can make far more without any stress or responsibility . I suspect it will be someone without kids,mortgage etc who will end up doing it ,but then once they get established will move on for at least 10k more ,which i suspect is the situation with Liam ; I suppose if the business is fine with a consistent turnover of staff it will work ,but i would doubt they will retain staff if that is the salary - unless there is some sort of career /pay progression structure in place . |
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I don't think Liam leaving is anything sinister, I was told a few weeks ago he was going - moved back out the area and the commute isn't viable long term & if his salary is in line with others advertised then I wouldn't be commuting either so fair play to him. All the other departures are mounting up though which is slightly worrying..
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I absolutely agree that some of the salary offerings for these roles seem pretty pitiful, but it does feel like the fans want it all. The club doesn't have infinite money - if they employ more of these support staff and pay them higher wages, that will inevitably impact on the playing budget for the squad. I'm sure that if we missed out on an important signing in the summer because we just didn't have quite enough money in the kitty, a lot of people on here would kick off - seems like a bit of a lose-lose for the club!
The club doesn't have infinite money and football is notorious for paying low salaries but as the saying goes, "if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys" and we are seeing a very high turnover of staff suggesting that the salary and responsibilities/expectations may not be aligned. Every non-playing appointment needs to add value, but part of ensuring that is paying the appropriate salary to attract the best skills. Each recruitment process costs money and takes significant time also. Our recruitment seems to be outsourced to a company called Breathe HR. I don't know what we will be paying for this service but recent evidence is suggesting we will be recruiting this persons replacement before the year is out so you can start to see the importance of getting the salary right. The club can start hiding salaries but that isn't transparent. Research shows that Gen Z people are highly unlikely to apply for a job if the salary isn't shown because more often than not a hidden salary is a poor salary. I know someone who was interested in Sam's job when it was advertised but once he saw what they expected for the salary, factored in his travel and considered the time required to cover away games, it really wasn't worth his while. |
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I don't think Liam leaving is anything sinister, I was told a few weeks ago he was going - moved back out the area and the commute isn't viable long term & if his salary is in line with others advertised then I wouldn't be commuting either so fair play to him. All the other departures are mounting up though which is slightly worrying..
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The club are now recruiting for an Events Manager who will be the licensee of McMenemys and line manage all of the hospitality staff. The salary for this is circa £24k. The club have shouted about being a Living Wage Employer, which means this Events Manager will earn £3,681 more than those who they line manage whilst having the added responsibility of being the licensee. Our salaries feel extremely low. The National Living Wage is £10.42 per hour, providing an annual salary of £20,319 for those who work 37.5 hours. meanwhile, the Living Wage Foundation have calculated that the real UK Living Wage factoring in the cost of living is £10.90 per hour, or a salary of £21,255 which further reduces the gap to £2,745. Without any pension or student loan reductions, the take home for the Events Manager is £1695 per month, or £391.20 per week. Is the stress and responsibility worth the extra £50 per week, or £36 per week if we are paying the Living Wage Foundations recommended Living Wage? The postholder is expected to be proficient in managing budgets, have a "results driven sales experience, delivering strong tangible financials in a customer focused organisation" whilst also having overall responsibility of the tills, alongside having their name above the door as licensee. https://gtfc.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Events-Manager-BreatheHR.pdf
I notice they've only advertised this particular role on the club website rather than across their social media. Is this because last time the club tweeted about an underpaying vacancy they got absolutely roasted in the replies: Tweet 1588564501758083072 will appear here... Who could possibly say? |
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Anyway Stockwood's probably gonna turn up on a podcast soon with an explanation for all the staff turnover: Tweet 1651497068085534720 will appear here... |
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Tweet 1651586998900260869 will appear here... Waccas off to jail |
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He his very genuine and I also use him and over the years he’s been a great source of information about what’s going on at Lincoln. Due a visit so I’ll be sussing you out with him😀😀
I haven’t been in since about 2018/2019 I think. A year or so before COVID definitely. As much as I like him and he’s a cracking barber a 90 minute round trip to get my hair cut was getting hard to justify. And he was getting incredibly popular even at quiet times. He always mentioned another Grimsby fan who used him. Who is obviously you. |
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Tweet 1651586998900260869 will appear here... Waccas off to jail
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Good response. I said earlier on that Wacca was harassing. It’s fine to have issues and to question stuff but there’s a ways and means of dealing with it.
Creating pile ons and relentlessly targeting is pathetic.
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Tweet 1651586998900260869 will appear here... Waccas off to jail
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It's all ok, Wacca has deleted his Twitter account so there is no evidence of any wrongdoing.
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Already deleted his Twitter account. Too late, they'll have everything they need. Visit from old bill and BP life ban incoming. Spot on from the club, repeated and targeted vile behaviour which needed to be confronted.
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It's all ok, Wacca has deleted his Twitter account so there is no evidence of any wrongdoing.
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Well done on the club calling Wacca out on his behaviour towards Debbie on social media.. I blocked him weeks ago on Twitter..
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It's all ok, Wacca has deleted his Twitter account so there is no evidence of any wrongdoing.
Here, Wacca, don't forget your posts on here as well pal, reckon the old bill will also be having a nice old root through them as we speak |
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If only that was true, he's been boring people with his crap for months and months now. |
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Probably that guy who took photos on a voluntary basis then was told his services were no longer needed because they already hire somebody followed by them having a massive hissy fit. I wouldn't be surprised if they made a whole new account with a bunch of insider half truths to disguise the nonsense. Him having it out for one or two people new to the club smells of being let go and having a tantrum.
Probably not. In fact it’s not. A serving member of our armed forces would not post anything like that. Not a great accusation. |
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A young kind abusing social media, and finally getting called out is great to see.
If everything he was saying was correct etc etc, why would he delete his account? tool
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Meanwhile in the Wacca residence…
It's probably some teenager who is now locked in his bedroom twitching the curtains ,worried that the old bill will turn up . |
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There may be issues with Debbie Cook and it does look like turnover is alarmingly high.
But knowing Wacca is currently bricking it is hilarious cause he’s a right cünt.
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I did try my hardest to tell him............... What a plonker
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He's just made it to Greatest Hits Radio news. If it's fame you craved .........
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I wouldn't be surprised to find the salary levels at most of the lower EFL clubs are on the low side as I doubt that many are actually making a profit.
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Even if you take away all the abusive and misogynistic stuff which is bloody awful, simple sitting on Twitter all day for months and incessantly posting about one single employee at a company and how you want to out them and get them sacked is not only odd, but surely harassment too?
Regardless of what is going on with people leaving (which i still maintain is nothing to do with us)
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[quote=419]There may be issues with Debbie Cook and it does look like turnover is alarmingly high.
Scanty information this I reckon.
What issues with Debbie Cook?
Alarming high turnover - who exactly has jumped ship?
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I don't know much about Debbie but from afar I like the changes that are happening in the club and how the clubs progressing..
I wonder if Wacca is either an ex boyfriend or a former steward 👀
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[quote=419]There may be issues with Debbie Cook and it does look like turnover is alarmingly high.
There seems to be only an issue with one person whilst others may use it as a opportunity to have a go at the club which sadly will always exist.
Think we all agree that the organisation needed a cultural change and I still think we are lucky in having the team we have leading it. Like any other businesses some will be receptive to change and some won't. The turnover of staff is often the result of that. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't pick up on any issues that are forcing people's hand.
You can only change the culture if you have the very best people involved and that takes time.
Sadly social media is an easy vehicle to spread fake news and I am glad that action will be taken on this person.
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[quote=419]There may be issues with Debbie Cook and it does look like turnover is alarmingly high.
There seems to be only an issue with one person whilst others may use it as a opportunity to have a go at the club which sadly will always exist.
Think we all agree that the organisation needed a cultural change and I still think we are lucky in having the team we have leading it. Like any other businesses some will be receptive to change and some won't. The turnover of staff is often the result of that. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't pick up on any issues that are forcing people's hand.
You can only change the culture if you have the very best people involved and that takes time.
Sadly social media is an easy vehicle to spread fake news and I am glad that action will be taken on this person.
It's not fake news for such a small organisation that has had probably more than its fair share of staff leave in such a relatively short period of time whether they were long serving or recent appointments. |
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Probably that guy who took photos on a voluntary basis then was told his services were no longer needed because they already hire somebody followed by them having a massive hissy fit. I wouldn't be surprised if they made a whole new account with a bunch of insider half truths to disguise the nonsense. Him having it out for one or two people new to the club smells of being let go and having a tantrum.
Given the seriousness of events now. If it turns out not to be Lee Blease (of which I’m 99.9 % certain) I hope you will apologise accordingly for your totally unsubstantiated accusation !! |
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Given the seriousness of events now. If it turns out not to be Lee Blease (of which I’m 99.9 % certain) I hope you will apologise accordingly for your totally unsubstantiated accusation !!
Was it not already serious? I'll be surprised if the police do find out who it is given that cowards tend to run and cover their tracks once the heat is on. If Lee Blease wants to cooperate with the police investigation and clear his name by admitting to unwarranted comments in the past due to a dispute and submitting his electronics for a forensic examination to prove he isn't running the Wacca account I'll be happy to offer an apology to him. But at this point if I were him I'd be deleting all of those comments from social media, getting legal advice and keeping my mouth shut. |
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Was it not already serious? I'll be surprised if the police do find out who it is given that cowards tend to run and cover their tracks once the heat is on. If Lee Blease wants to cooperate with the police investigation and clear his name by admitting to unwarranted comments in the past due to a dispute and submitting his electronics for a forensic examination to prove he isn't running the Wacca account I'll be happy to offer an apology to him. But at this point if I were him I'd be deleting all of those comments from social media, getting legal advice and keeping my mouth shut.
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Was it not already serious? I'll be surprised if the police do find out who it is given that cowards tend to run and cover their tracks once the heat is on. If Lee Blease wants to cooperate with the police investigation and clear his name by admitting to unwarranted comments in the past due to a dispute and submitting his electronics for a forensic examination to prove he isn't running the Wacca account I'll be happy to offer an apology to him. But at this point if I were him I'd be deleting all of those comments from social media, getting legal advice and keeping my mouth shut.
Wow !! So are you saying you still think it’s him then ? So unless you definitely know something, you are making unsubstantiated accusations anonymously from behind a keyboard. Pot - Kettle !!! |
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That is a wild, wild accusation to make. Lee had the balls to put his name and face to his opinions.
Which part is an accusation? I'm sure the police will know of his opinions if he hasn't already deleted them in an attempt to cover them up. Everybody knows he had an axe to grind and felt slighted in particular by the new regime. Isn't he one of the first people they should be interviewing in an investigation? He has history, investigate and if in the course of an investigation he is cleared then good for him.
Wow !!
So are you saying you still think it’s him then ?
So unless you definitely know something, you are making unsubstantiated accusations anonymously from behind a keyboard. Pot - Kettle !!!
I only responded to your loaded question of which I had no chance of not getting jumped on because apparently everybody wants a new bad guy for this thread now your man is in deep excrement. I'm saying if it's not him after an investigation then I'll apologise if he really cares what I think. Since he has history of a dispute and feeling upset with the new regime and his opinions are out there under his name they should interview him and investigate accordingly as with any other suspects. Hopefully this doesn't lead to nothing and the real person is outed and punished accordingly. |
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Which part is an accusation? I'm sure the police will know of his opinions if he hasn't already deleted them in an attempt to cover them up. Everybody knows he had an axe to grind and felt slighted in particular by the new regime. Isn't he one of the first people they should be interviewing in an investigation? He has history, investigate and if in the course of an investigation he is cleared then good for him.
Come on now, the police won't just be interviewing anyone who has criticised the club. They can subpoena Twitter to supply details of the account holder if deemed necessary. Lee Blease will not have to prove anything. On Wacca, it's unfortunate that he was able to appoint himself as a GTFC whistleblower as he seems to be a deeply unpleasant individual. However, similar concerns about the club's working environment have been raised by others. I think it would be prudent for Jason (or whoever) to reassure supporters that there is a proper complaints procedure in place and that claims of mistreatment are taken seriously. I'm 99% confident that they are, but it's time to put the rumours that have been circulating for much of the past year to bed. |
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Come on now, the police won't just be interviewing anyone who has criticised the club. They can subpoena Twitter to supply details of the account holder if deemed necessary. Lee Blease will not have to prove anything.
On Wacca, it's unfortunate that he was able to appoint himself as a GTFC whistleblower as he seems to be a deeply unpleasant individual. However, similar concerns about the club's working environment have been raised by others. I think it would be prudent for Jason (or whoever) to reassure supporters that there is a proper complaints procedure in place and that claims of mistreatment are taken seriously. I'm 99% confident that they are, but it's time to put the rumours that have been circulating for much of the past year to bed.
That sounds a lot like an accusation of malpractice. Will you be apologising to Jason if it's found there is no problems with the working environment and it's all unfounded? Also they should be interviewing people who have a dislike for the new regime and were massively upset about being let go that they ranted all over social media and the fan forum. That's like top of the suspects list. They can request Twitter turn over information willingly but they rarely do unless it's like a child sex exploitation investigation or something. A subpoena has nothing to do with the police that's when it goes to court and it can take forever for that to be actioned upon. It also won't likely out a real name and address since you can fake that. They mostly want the logs as evidence of private chats and posts at that point in case the person tried to delete everything since Twitter still stores that after you remove your account. I guess if the Fishy is still collecting names and addresses then anybody who has made accusations against Jason and Debbie like yourself just now should be worried lol. Asking Rob to turn over names and addresses of trolls will likely be faster than Twitter. |
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This thread is fast becoming a Scooby Doo episode......
And Fenty would’ve gotten away with it if it wasn’t for those pesky kids… |
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Come on now, the police won't just be interviewing anyone who has criticised the club. They can subpoena Twitter to supply details of the account holder if deemed necessary. Lee Blease will not have to prove anything.
On Wacca, it's unfortunate that he was able to appoint himself as a GTFC whistleblower as he seems to be a deeply unpleasant individual. However, similar concerns about the club's working environment have been raised by others. I think it would be prudent for Jason (or whoever) to reassure supporters that there is a proper complaints procedure in place and that claims of mistreatment are taken seriously. I'm 99% confident that they are, but it's time to put the rumours that have been circulating for much of the past year to bed.
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It’s all getting a tad over the top to be honest with seemingly one person really appearing like a jilted lover, harassing someone because they feel wronged, which, had that been true then surely, instead of blowing their load online and making snide comments every chance they get they’d have just utilised the legal systems in place? Or is that too simple? Is it easier to moan because they might not get a few perks anymore.
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All this talk about holding the board accountable and the board held him accountable.
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Knowing of Lee Blease I could not believe some of the comments suggested on here were coming from him.
I don't do twatter so I don't know all that has been posted.
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It's not fake news for such a small organisation that has had probably more than its fair share of staff leave in such a relatively short period of time whether they were long serving or recent appointments.
It's fake news cr@p from a certain individual then. I for one are quite pleased that a new management team are pushing for better - if you looking for best practice in each department then enevitably there will be turnover. It seems some people are looking for a issues when none really exist albeit in an organisation eager to improve. |
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Was it not already serious? I'll be surprised if the police do find out who it is given that cowards tend to run and cover their tracks once the heat is on. If Lee Blease wants to cooperate with the police investigation and clear his name by admitting to unwarranted comments in the past due to a dispute and submitting his electronics for a forensic examination to prove he isn't running the Wacca account I'll be happy to offer an apology to him. But at this point if I were him I'd be deleting all of those comments from social media, getting legal advice and keeping my mouth shut.
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Hope Lee Blease gets his hands on you 🤦
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Which part is an accusation? I'm sure the police will know of his opinions if he hasn't already deleted them in an attempt to cover them up. Everybody knows he had an axe to grind and felt slighted in particular by the new regime. Isn't he one of the first people they should be interviewing in an investigation? He has history, investigate and if in the course of an investigation he is cleared then good for him.
The part where you recommend he puts himself forward for a police investigation to clear his name of previous unwarranted claims sounds quite a lot like an accusation to me. |
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This is a really interesting thread and magnifies some interesting attitudes and limited beliefs.
I don’t know Lee Blease personally despite seeing him at games and in pubs etc.. he’s not a friend of mine but what I’m pretty sure about is that someone who is a career service man who if required would put himself at risk to defend us wouldn’t need to hide behind a Twitter account after he was big enough to make his point and move on. To suggest otherwise is bonkers.
The other thing that’s interesting is the expectation that the club should have to explain everything they do, why would people expect that? Especially in regard to people who leave for whatever reason, why people leave businesses is nobody’s business other than the employee and employer, somethings have to stay outside of the public domain.
I know “reliable source” is busy on transfer threads but they seem quite active here as well as “someone in the know” I suspect neither actually exist and if they do they’re not known to over poster who claims they are.
Then there’s the assertion that everyone who’s moved on or let’s call it out been exited was brilliant at their jobs, were they? All nice people I’m sure but I suspect some of them were making little difference and the employer has the prerogative to manage that accordingly as they see fit, as long as it’s fair that’s how it works.
We have lost some of the non football talent for sure and it’s a shame but if we can’t afford to pay better salaries then it will happen. Should the club pay more, maybe, but where does it stop.
Anyway loads of polarised views on here and it’s quite an interesting read.
What has been proven though is on line bullying has a detrimental impact on the well being of the recipient especially if they’re not in a position to defend themselves.
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Can we just kill this right now? I don’t know the bloke but anyone that compares how Lee Blease writes and how Wacca writes will know it’s not him.
Wacca is clearly some very naive late teen early 20 kid that really doesn’t have much of a clue or understanding that the sort of stuff they have written might have consequences.
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The part where you recommend he puts himself forward for a police investigation to clear his name of previous unwarranted claims sounds quite a lot like an accusation to me.
You accusing or suggesting I’d do this, in my opinion makes you as bad as wacca! It’s baseless and unfair. There is NO dispute between me, GTFC, Debbie Cook or anyone else. I’ve never even spoken to her ever! In the last 12 months I’ve spent over 6 of them deployed at sea with very limited internet connectivity, and zero access to social media whilst at sea. I even lost my phone for 2 months of that when I left it on a bus in the Falklands and had to go back to sea. So I’m not sure how I could be the prolific tweeter ImWacca? It just doesn’t add up when theirs quite literally weeks/months when I’ve been offline. Apart from Instagram I don’t use social media anymore. I most certainly wouldn’t risk my career doing anything like this. I’m quite appalled to be accused of it, and it doesn’t exactly make me feel good that people think I’d do it and are trying to associate me with it. From what I can gather wacca made a final tweet saying he had DM’d Jason to discuss it and had posted his number to get in touch. I’ve seen a screenshot of it, the accounts now deleted. So let’s hope that’s the end of it and people stop pointing fingers at me! EDIT: Apologies James this isn’t aimed at you! I messed up the quote! UTM |
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Hope Lee Blease gets his hands on you 🤦
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Can we just kill this right now? I don’t know the bloke but anyone that compares how Lee Blease writes and how Wacca writes will know it’s not him.
Wacca is clearly some very naive late teen early 20 kid that really doesn’t have much of a clue or understanding that the sort of stuff they have written might have consequences.
“Actions have consequences”. One of the most basic lessons you learn in life and yet it’s surprising how many successfully navigate adolescence without having learned it. Still, if young Wacca’s about to learn that lesson the hard way without anyone getting hurt, then it’s probably for the best. For him and everyone else. But I’d agree. It’s time to kill the thread. 32 pages almost entirely of absolute bilge. |
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It's fake news cr@p from a certain individual then. I for one are quite pleased that a new management team are pushing for better - if you looking for best practice in each department then enevitably there will be turnover. It seems some people are looking for a issues when none really exist albeit in an organisation eager to improve.
Do keep up, it's not all fake news, two people were replaced from their jobs, one left and one was removed from his job and both replaced by new people who have been brought in and now those two have left so please show me where the better staff have been brought in. |
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This thread seems more like a thread from the Blast Furnace forum not The Fishy , what the fook is going on ???
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You accusing or suggesting I’d do this, in my opinion makes you as bad as wacca! It’s baseless and unfair. There is NO dispute between me, GTFC, Debbie Cook or anyone else. I’ve never even spoken to her ever!
In the last 12 months I’ve spent over 6 of them deployed at sea with very limited internet connectivity, and zero access to social media whilst at sea. I even lost my phone for 2 months of that when I left it on a bus in the Falklands and had to go back to sea. So I’m not sure how I could be the prolific tweeter ImWacca? It just doesn’t add up when theirs quite literally weeks/months when I’ve been offline.
Apart from Instagram I don’t use social media anymore.
I most certainly wouldn’t risk my career doing anything like this. I’m quite appalled to be accused of it, and it doesn’t exactly make me feel good that people think I’d do it and are trying to associate me with it.
From what I can gather wacca made a final tweet saying he had DM’d Jason to discuss it and had posted his number to get in touch. I’ve seen a screenshot of it, the accounts now deleted. So let’s hope that’s the end of it and people stop pointing fingers at me!
EDIT: Apologies James this isn’t aimed at you! I messed up the quote!
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Just out of interest, and no om not a potential stalker, what has happened to the various people who have left?
Given that they were almost irreplaceable according to some on here, I presume they've all gone on to much bigger and better things?
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Hope Lee Blease gets his hands on you 🤦
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You accusing or suggesting I’d do this, in my opinion makes you as bad as wacca! It’s baseless and unfair. There is NO dispute between me, GTFC, Debbie Cook or anyone else. I’ve never even spoken to her ever!
In the last 12 months I’ve spent over 6 of them deployed at sea with very limited internet connectivity, and zero access to social media whilst at sea. I even lost my phone for 2 months of that when I left it on a bus in the Falklands and had to go back to sea. So I’m not sure how I could be the prolific tweeter ImWacca? It just doesn’t add up when theirs quite literally weeks/months when I’ve been offline.
Apart from Instagram I don’t use social media anymore.
I most certainly wouldn’t risk my career doing anything like this. I’m quite appalled to be accused of it, and it doesn’t exactly make me feel good that people think I’d do it and are trying to associate me with it.
From what I can gather wacca made a final tweet saying he had DM’d Jason to discuss it and had posted his number to get in touch. I’ve seen a screenshot of it, the accounts now deleted. So let’s hope that’s the end of it and people stop pointing fingers at me!
EDIT: Apologies James this isn’t aimed at you! I messed up the quote!
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I'm not sure about baseless considering how you spat your dummy out over that whole situation and had sufficient motive to damage the club's reputation. If what you say is true and you had zero connectivity over the last several months then you have nothing to be concerned about. Perhaps there is a lesson here to not overreact to every single situation and post an essay about it. As you say whoever has been controlling said Twitter account has wet their pants and deleted everything because they are worried about consequences. Speaking of consequences, your friends are posting threats to me that a military trained man who knows how to shoot a gun is going to get his hands on me, an unarmed and defenceless civilian. I'm now afraid for my life so please stop making threats via your friends or if they did this on their own please ask them to stop. |
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Just out of interest, and no om not a potential stalker, what has happened to the various people who have left?
Given that they were almost irreplaceable according to some on here, I presume they've all gone on to much bigger and better things?
The former 'admin' now works for a motorhome company. Dave Smith's flogging vans, dunno about anyone else who's left recently. |
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I'm not sure about baseless considering how you spat your dummy out over that whole situation and had sufficient motive to damage the club's reputation. If what you say is true and you had zero connectivity over the last several months then you have nothing to be concerned about. Perhaps there is a lesson here to not overreact to every single situation and post an essay about it. As you say whoever has been controlling said Twitter account has wet their pants and deleted everything because they are worried about consequences.
Speaking of consequences, your friends are posting threats to me that a military trained man who knows how to shoot a gun is going to get his hands on me, an unarmed and defenceless civilian. I'm now afraid for my life so please stop making threats via your friends or if they did this on their own please ask them to stop.
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I'm not sure about baseless considering how you spat your dummy out over that whole situation and had sufficient motive to damage the club's reputation. If what you say is true and you had zero connectivity over the last several months then you have nothing to be concerned about. Perhaps there is a lesson here to not overreact to every single situation and post an essay about it. As you say whoever has been controlling said Twitter account has wet their pants and deleted everything because they are worried about consequences.
Speaking of consequences, your friends are posting threats to me that a military trained man who knows how to shoot a gun is going to get his hands on me, an unarmed and defenceless civilian. I'm now afraid for my life so please stop making threats via your friends or if they did this on their own please ask them to stop.
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Maybe a "sorry, I was wrong" type post may help to diffuse the situation?
Just a thought.
I mean the guy could have come out like "of course it's not me lol, as a fan of the club I'd never want to do that and I admit while some of my comments were made in the heat of the moment I'd never take it as far as that guy on Twitter because I wholeheartedly disagree with him" Instead he showed up on here like "WHY ARE YOU ACCUSING ME OF BEING WACCA!? I'M NOT WACCA, STOP SAYING THAT!". I was given a loaded question where no matter what answer I gave I'd be treated negatively, I gave what was probably a really stupid answer which has led to this witch hunt in the absence of Wacca, whomever they might be who has gone to hide in a cardboard box somewhere. I don't think it warrants threats or to be ganged up on by friends of said individual who could have just ignored the whole thing as it's not worth their time apparently. If I offended said individual or they felt I was accusing them wrongly, who I do not know personally I am sorry for that, can we draw a line under this now? I'll refrain from commenting further on individuals and presenting anything that could be speculation and let any investigation take it's course. People can call me what they want or say I'm wrong but I will take any further threats as serious and deal with it through proper channels. |
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I'm not sure about baseless considering how you spat your dummy out over that whole situation and had sufficient motive to damage the club's reputation. If what you say is true and you had zero connectivity over the last several months then you have nothing to be concerned about. Perhaps there is a lesson here to not overreact to every single situation and post an essay about it. As you say whoever has been controlling said Twitter account has wet their pants and deleted everything because they are worried about consequences.
Speaking of consequences, your friends are posting threats to me that a military trained man who knows how to shoot a gun is going to get his hands on me, an unarmed and defenceless civilian. I'm now afraid for my life so please stop making threats via your friends or if they did this on their own please ask them to stop.
Talk about over egging the pudding, if you verbally go on the attack against a person expect them to verbally defend themselves, that’s all that has happened here. As Ginny eluded to the only thing missing here is a bit of magnanimity from yourself. |
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I'm not sure about baseless considering how you spat your dummy out over that whole situation and had sufficient motive to damage the club's reputation. If what you say is true and you had zero connectivity over the last several months then you have nothing to be concerned about. Perhaps there is a lesson here to not overreact to every single situation and post an essay about it. As you say whoever has been controlling said Twitter account has wet their pants and deleted everything because they are worried about consequences.
Speaking of consequences, your friends are posting threats to me that a military trained man who knows how to shoot a gun is going to get his hands on me, an unarmed and defenceless civilian. I'm now afraid for my life so please stop making threats via your friends or if they did this on their own please ask them to stop.
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Maybe it's time for this thread to go , I started it (wish i had not now )
And all we have is :
-an upset lady at the club
-some kid probably scared to his wits end in his parents bedroom
-A serving member of the countries finest getting called out for something which is clearly nothing to do with him
-somebody called Kris having some sort of meltdown
I am out on this one
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I guess the discussion is valid but perhaps the lack of pragmatism and the vindictiveness of some makes it hard.
As I’ve said, the reaction toward DC is that of a jilted lover and the initial reaction of Lee pretty much supported the reasons the club gave. In this context, I don’t believe it is him and suspect that Wacca is the spotty faced, male masturbation in a sock keyboard warrior son of a former employee or the mate of someone let go or whatever…I stereotype, it could be a girl but the sock wouldn’t be necessary…not as much anyway.
Of course there are issues at the club, like every single business and ultimately, people live by their decisions and their actions. People make mistakes but some of the guff spouted is nonsense and as many have said, of the accusations had any basis, were true and people had been thrown out with the rubbish, they’d be keeping quiet and using the legal channels readily available to resolve these sorts of things…not shooting their load on social media. It isn’t harming anyone but themselves or any potential legal case…
Still, it’s better than the weird thread about ships on badges and the inevitable comments from people using words like ‘woke’ and ‘snowflake’ etc without really knowing what they mean….
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Please lock this thread when threats and counter threads are being made it’s time to put an end to it
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Please lock this thread when threats and counter threads are being made it’s time to put an end to it
Totally agree. This thread contains the kind of rhetoric that lead to the demise of this sites predecessor. It's all become so crass, infantile and, at times, embarrassing, from posters who should know better. |
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This is a really interesting thread and magnifies some interesting attitudes and limited beliefs.
I don’t know Lee Blease personally despite seeing him at games and in pubs etc.. he’s not a friend of mine but what I’m pretty sure about is that someone who is a career service man who if required would put himself at risk to defend us wouldn’t need to hide behind a Twitter account after he was big enough to make his point and move on. To suggest otherwise is bonkers.
The other thing that’s interesting is the expectation that the club should have to explain everything they do, why would people expect that? Especially in regard to people who leave for whatever reason, why people leave businesses is nobody’s business other than the employee and employer, somethings have to stay outside of the public domain.
I know “reliable source” is busy on transfer threads but they seem quite active here as well as “someone in the know” I suspect neither actually exist and if they do they’re not known to over poster who claims they are.
Then there’s the assertion that everyone who’s moved on or let’s call it out been exited was brilliant at their jobs, were they? All nice people I’m sure but I suspect some of them were making little difference and the employer has the prerogative to manage that accordingly as they see fit, as long as it’s fair that’s how it works.
We have lost some of the non football talent for sure and it’s a shame but if we can’t afford to pay better salaries then it will happen. Should the club pay more, maybe, but where does it stop.
Anyway loads of polarised views on here and it’s quite an interesting read.
What has been proven though is on line bullying has a detrimental impact on the well being of the recipient especially if they’re not in a position to defend themselves.
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They don’t get to bring the rifles home at weekends mate. Think you’ll be ok.
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That sounds an awful lot like a threat to my life. Maybe I need to speak to the police too.
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I'm not sure about baseless considering how you spat your dummy out over that whole situation and had sufficient motive to damage the club's reputation. If what you say is true and you had zero connectivity over the last several months then you have nothing to be concerned about. Perhaps there is a lesson here to not overreact to every single situation and post an essay about it. As you say whoever has been controlling said Twitter account has wet their pants and deleted everything because they are worried about consequences.
Speaking of consequences, your friends are posting threats to me that a military trained man who knows how to shoot a gun is going to get his hands on me, an unarmed and defenceless civilian. I'm now afraid for my life so please stop making threats via your friends or if they did this on their own please ask them to stop.
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I went out for more popcorn on page 24, what have I missed lads?
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Wouldn't be any use anyway, matelots don't know one end of a rifle from another.
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I went out for more popcorn on page 24, what have I missed lads?
Not much really except Wacca’s currently serving as a freshly post-pubescent cum sponge on the nonces wing at Belmarsh and there’s a bounty on the head of the always reasonable and never melodramatic Kris2, who is now understood to be keeping a low profile with a candle of tapirs in the Belizean Amazon Rainforest. Just another day on the Fishy. |
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It's a tie as to who has come out of this thread the worst - Wacca or Kris. Some crazy statements made on both sides.
DC and LB the innocent parties while others rant and screech. Everyone directly involved in this mess would be better off piping down and having a cup of tea.
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Can everyone just pause for a moment and imagine how the hell Wacca is gonna tell his mum about all this…
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Can everyone just pause for a moment and imagine how the hell Wacca is gonna tell his mum about all this…
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I only shoot people with cameras.
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Wouldn't be any use anyway, matelots don't know one end of a rifle from another.
In your day that was very true. But times have changed. Matelots now man checkpoints etc as there aren’t enough pongos any more. The same with the crabs as well. But at the moment Lee is only armed with a camera. So unless he chucks it at K2 I can’t see there being too much of a threat to life. But yes, it’s time this thread was locked and we all moved on. No one should now comment without certainty of what they are saying. But (and it is a but) Mystic Meg is whispering two letters to me. CW UTM |
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This thread should be locked . It is getting stupid . I am begining to wonder if this WAKKA WAKKA is a angler because he realy has got people biting .. Mainly at each other
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I agree about the salaries .
Kieran Maguire on one of his recent podcasts talked about this - it was quite interesting as he was saying most jobs at football clubs have lower salaries for roles in which you would get more outside of football ; in essence a lot of people are doing the job on a lesser salary for the love of the game/club.
It would be interesting to know what we pay in comparison to other league 2 clubs (especially northern ones ) to establish whether we are low payers in comparison to other directly comparable employers or whether it is just the going rate for employees at our level .
I think if people came back to GTFC from 50 years ago would be amazed on how many people are employed by GTFC. They would see familiar setups with Manager, trainers, however the the mount of coaches and physios would surprise them. Also media and marketing would perplex them. All have to be paid from the same pot, so value for money is probably a mantra repeated at GTFC. |
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Talk about shooting yourself in the foot
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Not much really except Wacca’s currently serving as a freshly post-pubescent cum sponge on the nonces wing at Belmarsh and there’s a bounty on the head of the always reasonable and never melodramatic Kris2, who is now understood to be keeping a low profile with a candle of tapirs in the Belizean Amazon Rainforest.
Just another day on the Fishy.
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In your day that was very true.
But times have changed. Matelots now man checkpoints etc as there aren’t enough pongos any more. The same with the crabs as well.
But at the moment Lee is only armed with a camera. So unless he chucks it at K2 I can’t see there being too much of a threat to life.
But yes, it’s time this thread was locked and we all moved on. No one should now comment without certainty of what they are saying. But (and it is a but) Mystic Meg is whispering two letters to me. CW
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We're arming the crabs too! What on earth is the MoD thinking of.
Haven't the Royal Air Force Regiment been trained in the use of rifles, hand weapons and close combat since it's formation in 1942? |
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Haven't the Royal Air Force Regiment been trained in the use of rifles, hand weapons and close combat since it's formation in 1942?
Yes, I was joking, inter forces banter. |
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Actually, the RAF personnel as a whole are known as 'rockapes' and not crabs.
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Actually, the RAF personnel as a whole are known as 'rockapes' and not crabs.
Not quite. Rockapes are RAF Regt, the Regt refer to everyone else in the RAF as penguins. Not sure why but used to work with one. |
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Yes, I was joking, inter forces banter.
I did know you were. Inter forces banter has existed since Nelson's day and probably before. Sailors in Nelsons times referred to Royal Marines as ' Lobsters ' because of their red coats. |
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Not quite. Rockapes are RAF Regt, the Regt refer to everyone else in the RAF as penguins. Not sure why but used to work with one.
Because we have (had for me) wings on our uniforms but don’t fly. Had a few weeks living in a tent with a few squadron rocks and they’re not bad lads. Reckon I could still do all the weapons handling drills now and I’ve been out 8 years because I did them so often before. It’s took a turn this thread. |
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everyone else in the RAF as penguins. Not sure why but used to work with one.
You worked with a penguin? I'm jealous |
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Can everyone just pause for a moment and imagine how the hell Wacca is gonna tell his mum about all this…
Not crossed your mind that DC and Wacca’s mother might be one and the same? Would explain where he gets his information and if he’s been grounded might explain his allegations!! |
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I was in the Army and served alongside the RAF in Oman (Masirah and Salalah)... The RAF Regiment were known as Rockapes and the rest of them as Blue-Jobs... We (Army) were called Pongo's... The Pongo was a unique kind of monkey that instead of swinging through the trees when alarmed dug a hole in the ground to protect itself ... The other meaning for the word Pongo given by the RAF was: 'Everywhere the Army goes the Pong goes'...
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I was in the Army and served alongside the RAF in Oman (Masirah and Salalah)... The RAF Regiment were known as Rockapes and the rest of them as Blue-Jobs... We (Army) were called Pongo's... The Pongo was a unique kind of monkey that instead of swinging through the trees when alarmed dug a hole in the ground to protect itself ... The other meaning for the word Pongo given by the RAF was: 'Everywhere the Army goes the Pong goes'...
Was you there in '72? |
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I was there in 1974 and early 75...
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