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Another manager who’s time here was beset with rumours about problems behind the scenes and just outright bullshít from some people. I can remember the rumour that he only got the job because of the involvement of his dad at boardroom level or something similar, this despite his dad being long dead in reality. Or the suggestion that he himself had basically paid for his own job through wealth accumulated on Wall St, even though he held a fairly junior role for a small period of time.
Rumours about groups of senior players not respecting him & ignoring his during training which, looking at who was in the squad at the time, I could fully believe. He did seem to ride on the back of 1 decent result against Malmo (was it?) for a few years mind, and don’t forget his rant came after getting humped 4-0 at home against Orient.
From what I understand (which of course could be rubbish), Jolley was not renowned for his man management skills. He made little to no attempt to cultivate any kind of relationships with his players and his PR skills did not translate to the dressing room. I was also told that Fenty started looking for a new manager after we lost at home to Morecambe at the start of the 18/19 season (it was our 6th defeat on the bounce). Because we were playing Carlisle away on the Tuesday, he decided not to sack Jolley because a) he thought it would disrupt the build up with such short notice and b) he didn't think we'd actually win.
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Did Jolley keep us up or was it a combination of a dramatic goal by Matt, Mitch Rose penalties and probably Macca' best season? Benefit of the doubt here as I think under Slade we'd have died on our backside before we inevitably dd.
One thing he did do when he arrived was to bring a bit of feelgood and positivity after the chaos of Bignot's cameo and the negativity of Slade. He was visible, approachable, open and seemed to bring fresh perspective.
On the pitch it was a bit mixed but it felt like he was doing what he could with what he had, he also brought in a few decent additions in Fox, RHJ, Embleton and Hess but the fact he had a Fenty budget meant he also had to settle for the likes of Hanson, Cook, Green and Welsh who all for different stories never made a telling impact.
Before he left I think he realised the squad was actually weak and he went a bit negative as I think he'd put a lot of faith in playing to Hanson who just couldn't be relied on. Off the pitch you could see he was struggling as well especially in the media, his Mrs was also feeling the strain as she insisted on blocking anyone on twitter who dared to criticize.
I think some form of meltdown was inevitable and the volley of abuse he gave Matt Dean and John Tondour was pretty poor and I think it was unacceptable, I would love to know though who felt so what do they call it? "woke" that they had to leak it to the media.
Clearly he has/has ambition but it always looked like he lacked a mentor though I'm led to believe that he was starting to build a relationship with Adkins who he could have learned some good stuff from. Maybe he needed to work for someone experienced in a bigger management structure and bide his time but as he has no playing career that kind of role is difficult to land.
Not sure where he is now but I'd assume his proffessional career as a manager has now come to an end unless he's working in a developing nation somewhere.
Oh no, not the Jolley kept us up myth again. When he was appointed we were 6 points clear of the relegation zone. We finished 5 points above Barnet in 23rd. He just maintained the gap he inherited more or less.
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Did Jolley keep us up or was it a combination of a dramatic goal by Matt, Mitch Rose penalties and probably Macca' best season? Benefit of the doubt here as I think under Slade we'd have died on our backside before we inevitably dd.
One thing he did do when he arrived was to bring a bit of feelgood and positivity after the chaos of Bignot's cameo and the negativity of Slade. He was visible, approachable, open and seemed to bring fresh perspective.
On the pitch it was a bit mixed but it felt like he was doing what he could with what he had, he also brought in a few decent additions in Fox, RHJ, Embleton and Hess but the fact he had a Fenty budget meant he also had to settle for the likes of Hanson, Cook, Green and Welsh who all for different stories never made a telling impact.
Before he left I think he realised the squad was actually weak and he went a bit negative as I think he'd put a lot of faith in playing to Hanson who just couldn't be relied on. Off the pitch you could see he was struggling as well especially in the media, his Mrs was also feeling the strain as she insisted on blocking anyone on twitter who dared to criticize.
I think some form of meltdown was inevitable and the volley of abuse he gave Matt Dean and John Tondour was pretty poor and I think it was unacceptable, I would love to know though who felt so what do they call it? "woke" that they had to leak it to the media.
Clearly he has/has ambition but it always looked like he lacked a mentor though I'm led to believe that he was starting to build a relationship with Adkins who he could have learned some good stuff from. Maybe he needed to work for someone experienced in a bigger management structure and bide his time but as he has no playing career that kind of role is difficult to land.
Not sure where he is now but I'd assume his proffessional career as a manager has now come to an end unless he's working in a developing nation somewhere.
Can you explain how ‘woke’ comes into it as I’m baffled?
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Oh no, not the Jolley kept us up myth again. When he was appointed we were 6 points clear of the relegation zone. We finished 5 points above Barnet in 23rd. He just maintained the gap he inherited more or less.
But leading up to his appointment Town was in freefall with just 4 points from 48 to give that some context. As well as only 4 goals in those twelve matches,
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I never believed Jolley kept us up, more helped us tread water and plugged a hole. In truth, he wasn’t much cop. We had some good days out and possibly, had he not come in we would’ve kept tumbling but we’ll never really know.
That 1-0 at Swindon was mega but also robbery but I don’t believe his tactical prowess was the reason we won, more players battling, experienced lads winning fouls and the likes and the naivety of youth working their gonads off.
Jolley was probably right about the nonsense off the pitch, as was Bignot but for me, both will hopefully just fade in to memory.
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Oh no, not the Jolley kept us up myth again. When he was appointed we were 6 points clear of the relegation zone. We finished 5 points above Barnet in 23rd. He just maintained the gap he inherited more or less.
Our direction before he was appointed was one way only - relegation. He saved us that season, replacing Berrett (?) With clifton gave meant we weren't playing every game with effectively 10 men. He also identified that mitch rosehad a long throw that was quite useful, something slade hadn't deduced in about a year. In fact was mitch rose on pens before he arrived or was it hooper, I think it was. Yet rose probably had the consistently best penalty of any player I've ever seen for Town. That was how idle and lazy slade had become. I actually think by the end jolley wa a poor manager, the movement under him was dreadful and I can well believe the rumour that even in possession players were told to mark the opposition. But he was still a big improvement on slade and kept us up that first season. Deserved to get sacked when he did tho and not a good manager, just not as woefully incompetent as slade mk2 who would have had us relegated.
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First of all, I’d take issue with a couple of comments in above posts. The idea that Lennie Lawrence gets a red cross when he took us to the top of the championship, and victory over Liverpool at Anfield is, at best, harsh, and at worst, crackers, especially when you think of how cr@p the structure/budget of the club was in comparison to rivals.
Secondly, the notion that Michael Jolley was shocking tactically, and the most ‘anti football’ manager we’ve had I find ludicrous. Jolley has the highest level UEFA coaching licence and can speak eloquently about the game, systems, strategy etc. He’d probably be better deployed working with top level players where his directions can actually be implemented by players who are technically capable of it.
I really liked Jolley. I really wanted him to do well. Articulate, honest and impressive, I thought he did brilliantly in that first half of his tenure, even though he had some bang average players, a poor budget and sub standard facilities. I was astounded by his tirade at RH. I just didn’t see him as that kind of character. Maybe he had a point in some of that, maybe he was way out of order, but he effectively sacked himself because of it. However, if we didn’t have Fenty and a particular ethos strangling the club, he’d have had a sporting chance. In reality, his hands were tied and he was never going to achieve anything here because of that. I see him as a real asset as an U23 coach at a top level club, more realistically.
I’m not usually one to call for a manager to go, but he was so tactically inept it was outrageous. All the badges you can get and capable of talking absolute bullshit, but history will prove him to be completely flipping useless as a manager.
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I knew someone that was excellent when it comes to test and exams but when it came to doing the physical work he was absolutely useless. So great academically but useless when doing the practical work.
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Can you explain how ‘woke’ comes into it as I’m baffled?
I didn’t think “woke” was just about racism I thought it was about generally calling out injustice, I’ve now seen a definition that says both ……. Maybe I should have just used the term whistle blower?
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