Tory Vermin

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

This thread has gone from discussing the merits of a food parcel, and the contents thereof, to evil Tories STARVING kids.

No wonder the left is a laughing stock.

Nice diversion tactics once again.
Your obsession burns brightly.
Did you say you were a floating voter??........................
I'm just waiting for the "it would be worse under Labour"

Quoted from GollyGTFC

They’re not. Don’t believe everything you read in the Daily Mail/Express.

So when all benefits are totted up I can guess (without looking) it’s at least around 25k! some working families won’t get anywhere near this.

Quoted from Humbercod

So when all benefits are totted up I can guess (without looking) it’s at least around 25k! some working families won’t get anywhere near this.

Wrong. The benefit cap is £20,000 outside London for couples or single people with children & £13,400 for single people. That cap includes the following benefits...

Universal Credit
Bereavement Allowance
Child Benefit
Child Tax Credit
Employment and Support Allowance
Housing Benefit
Incapacity Benefit
Income Support
Jobseeker’s Allowance
Maternity Allowance
Severe Disablement Allowance
Widowed Parent’s Allowance (or Widowed Mother’s Allowance or Widow’s Pension if you started getting it before 9 April 2001).

There is no way in the world any unemployed person gets more than a person in work.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

This thread has gone from discussing the merits of a food parcel, and the contents thereof, to evil Tories STARVING kids.

No wonder the left is a laughing stock.

Feel free to add something useful to the debate. Some data or facts which back up your arguments. As far as I can tell from a brief scan through the thread this evening, the laughable lefties seem to have the temerity to base their arguments on evidence rather than feelings or anecdotes. Facts aren't just a left-wing thing, I'm sure.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Wrong. The benefit cap is £20,000 outside London for couples or single people with children & £13,400 for single people. That cap includes the following benefits...

Universal Credit
Bereavement Allowance
Child Benefit
Child Tax Credit
Employment and Support Allowance
Housing Benefit
Incapacity Benefit
Income Support
Jobseeker’s Allowance
Maternity Allowance
Severe Disablement Allowance
Widowed Parent’s Allowance (or Widowed Mother’s Allowance or Widow’s Pension if you started getting it before 9 April 2001).

There is no way in the world any unemployed person gets more than a person in work.

It was only a guess! Big respect for the Tory’s then who we have to thank for clamping down on the welfare abuse and rightly putting a cap on it, so pre- 2014 I would of been more than correct when you think that outrageously there was no limit!

The minimum wage wouldn’t total a salary of 20k though would it?
Throw in free school meals, discretionary housing payments, free dental, free prescriptions, free early education (cost me a bomb) free cold weather payments, oh and council tax, best we dont leave out this little expenditure for those that have to work ... oh look must be getting on for around 25k now!
Just need Marcus Rashford to demand free gas and and electric now and then I’m jacking my job in👍

Quoted from Humbercod

It was only a guess! Big respect for the Tory’s then who we have to thank for clamping down on the welfare abuse and rightly putting a cap on it, so pre- 2014 I would of been more than correct when you think that outrageously there was no limit!

The minimum wage wouldn’t total a salary of 20k though would it?
Throw in free school meals, discretionary housing payments, free dental, free prescriptions, free early education (cost me a bomb) free cold weather payments, oh and council tax, best we dont leave out this little expenditure for those that have to work ... oh look must be getting on for around 25k now!
Just need Marcus Rashford to demand free gas and and electric now and then I’m jacking my job in👍

Perhaps you should “Jack” your job in and try it for a year, you will very soon change your tune, or not. then you can come on with actual real life experience instead of believing a load of bullshit. Save up enough to get yourself and family by for the first six weeks and get rid of any savings and I’m sure you will find it plain sailing

Quoted from codcheeky

Perhaps you should “Jack” your job in and try it for a year, you will very soon change your tune, or not. then you can come on with actual real life experience instead of believing a load of bullshit. Save up enough to get yourself and family by for the first six weeks and get rid of any savings and I’m sure you will find it plain sailing

I’ve been there, I know people there, as well as people on the minimum wage, its not easy! I was pointing out the absurdity when tinkering with socialism.

Quoted from Humbercod

The minimum wage wouldn’t total a salary of 20k though would it?

No, but people on minimum wage can also claim all the above benefits to top up what they earn.

For example, 3 children is £48.95 per week or £2.545.40 per year in child benefit. Every single parent (even millionaires) are entitled to that.

Then there's tax credits. A single parent working 40 hours on national minimum wage (approx. £18,000 per year) will receive in the region of £780 per 4 weeks or £10,140 per year in Child Tax Credits and Working Tax Credits.

So if we combine the above (a single parent with 3 children) that's £18,000 wages + £10,140 tax credits + £2,545 child benefit.

So that's over £30,000 before we add in other benefits that they might be able to claim.

But yeah, the unemployed person who's capped at £20,000 (but in most cases receives a lot less than that) earns so much more than a person working on national minimum wage don't they?

Don't believe everything you read in the (insert right wing newspaper here)!

Quoted from Humbercod

It was only a guess! Big respect for the Tory’s then who we have to thank for clamping down on the welfare abuse and rightly putting a cap on it, so pre- 2014 I would of been more than correct when you think that outrageously there was no limit!

The minimum wage wouldn’t total a salary of 20k though would it?
Throw in free school meals, discretionary housing payments, free dental, free prescriptions, free early education (cost me a bomb) free cold weather payments, oh and council tax, best we dont leave out this little expenditure for those that have to work ... oh look must be getting on for around 25k now!
Just need Marcus Rashford to demand free gas and and electric now and then I’m jacking my job in👍

If only the Tories had shown the same enthusiasm for clamping down on tax fraud. Perhaps you could answer a question. Why do the right wing press as epitomised by The Mail the Sun and of course The Express launch campaign after campaign about so called benefit fraud yet are silent on the far bigger issue of tax fraud and avoidance?

Quoted from GollyGTFC

No, but people on minimum wage can also claim all the above benefits to top up what they earn.

For example, 3 children is £48.95 per week or £2.545.40 per year in child benefit. Every single parent (even millionaires) are entitled to that.

Then there's tax credits. A single parent working 40 hours on national minimum wage (approx. £18,000 per year) will receive in the region of £780 per 4 weeks or £10,140 per year in Child Tax Credits and Working Tax Credits.

So if we combine the above (a single parent with 3 children) that's £18,000 wages + £10,140 tax credits + £2,545 child benefit.

So that's over £30,000 before we add in other benefits that they might be able to claim.

But yeah, the unemployed person who's capped at £20,000 (but in most cases receives a lot less than that) earns so much more than a person working on national minimum wage don't they?

Don't believe everything you read in the (insert right wing newspaper here)!

I’m not being funny but are you sure your figures are 100%? Wasn’t there a cap of 2 children for a start? Secondly I’m sure tax credit are for those working less than 16hours?  And I’m no millionaire but I know from experience once you earn a certain amount then you have to pay back the child benefit.

Just spoke to a family member (no children) on minimum wage working in care, and she’s just confirmed the only extra that she receives is a 25% reduction on her council tax. Accommodation is a shared house and she receives no help with rent etc.