Ownership

Quoted from moosey_club

mmm...great comparsons there..... European giants who have decades of success behind them and have  fanbases 10x our own attending every week plus many more globally....never mind they arent competing in a domestic League system completely dominated by the financial clout of the Premier League and multi billionaire foreign ownership.
Barca have so much of the TV revenue they will never be anything but succesful and largely dominant.

Fan ownership has yet to be proven as succesful and sustainable at a level we would all like to be playing at, either League 2 or League 1 level.

Great idea...not practicable in reality.

The point was you said it couldn't work. It clearly can.

And not all the Bundesliga clubs are exactly European giants.

And as for it not being proven at our level how about AFC Wimbledon. What a complete and utter failure eh?

Quoted from KingstonMariner

The point was you said it couldn't work. It clearly can.

And not all the Bundesliga clubs are exactly European giants.

And as for it not being proven at our level how about AFC Wimbledon. What a complete and utter failure eh?

stop digging Kingston or you will hit the Northern Line....going from Barcelona to AFC Wimbledon to demonstrate fan ownership can work.....
AFC Wimbledon & FC United probably the two most prominent examples in English pyramid were new clubs set up by fans, hence fan owned from initial set up and gradually built up from small fanbases and both progressing from way down the pyramid...thats not us.
again though with FC United they benefitted from being associated with arguably the largest club on the planet , although only a small percentage of protest supporters starting them up a small percentage of a global fanbase still equals a significant support to start from..
AFC Wimbledon also initially benefitted from an MK Dons backlash which the wider pyramid rallied behind.
we have a small active fanbase in reality and only a percentage of that wanting to own the club.
We could take over the club, that would require funds, to run a club takes skilled people in key positions does your model appoint these people or hope fans have thos skills and will give time for free ?  What position do you think we could sustain with fan money ?
Fans are fickle, fans see everything differently every game, trying to corral all that into a working model with an existing club set up is too much IMO.

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Quoted from Pouton4ever

Why?

Not sure fan ownership is the way forward but the board loosely said  in charge at the moment is killing us from within imo

Quoted from moosey_club

stop digging Kingston or you will hit the Northern Line....going from Barcelona to AFC Wimbledon to demonstrate fan ownership can work.....
AFC Wimbledon & FC United probably the two most prominent examples in English pyramid were new clubs set up by fans, hence fan owned from initial set up and gradually built up from small fanbases and both progressing from way down the pyramid...thats not us.
again though with FC United they benefitted from being associated with arguably the largest club on the planet , although only a small percentage of protest supporters starting them up a small percentage of a global fanbase still equals a significant support to start from..
AFC Wimbledon also initially benefitted from an MK Dons backlash which the wider pyramid rallied behind.
we have a small active fanbase in reality and only a percentage of that wanting to own the club.
We could take over the club, that would require funds, to run a club takes skilled people in key positions does your model appoint these people or hope fans have thos skills and will give time for free ?  What position do you think we could sustain with fan money ?
Fans are fickle, fans see everything differently every game, trying to corral all that into a working model with an existing club set up is too much IMO.

Wycombe, Newport?

Quoted from ginnywings

Wycombe, Newport?

Wrexham, Chester, Stockport?

Quoted from moosey_club

stop digging Kingston or you will hit the Northern Line....going from Barcelona to AFC Wimbledon to demonstrate fan ownership can work.....
AFC Wimbledon & FC United probably the two most prominent examples in English pyramid were new clubs set up by fans, hence fan owned from initial set up and gradually built up from small fanbases and both progressing from way down the pyramid...thats not us.
again though with FC United they benefitted from being associated with arguably the largest club on the planet , although only a small percentage of protest supporters starting them up a small percentage of a global fanbase still equals a significant support to start from..
AFC Wimbledon also initially benefitted from an MK Dons backlash which the wider pyramid rallied behind.
we have a small active fanbase in reality and only a percentage of that wanting to own the club.
We could take over the club, that would require funds, to run a club takes skilled people in key positions does your model appoint these people or hope fans have thos skills and will give time for free ?  What position do you think we could sustain with fan money ?
Fans are fickle, fans see everything differently every game, trying to corral all that into a working model with an existing club set up is too much IMO.

You're one of those people who always try to find a reason for not doing something. Every little thing that you can dig up to make it look like "it doesn't apply to us. We can't do it." No wonder we're in the mire with attitudes like that.

Quoted from pen penfras

Wrexham, Chester, Stockport?

Get the point, but clubs are successful/unsuccessful with all forms of ownership. Not all fan run clubs are struggling and not all clubs with financial benefactors are doing well, as we know. It's about making the right decisions by whomever runs the club.

Wrexham and Stockport were taken over by fans after their previous owners had copulated them up, got them relegated and left them in debt. There wouldn't be a Stockport or Wrexham without fan ownership.

Could say the same for Portsmouth and Notts County too. Probably many others.

We could be like Wrexham and leave it until that point on the basis that Moosey is right that 'we can't do it'. Or we could try to prevent it and take action sooner.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

You're one of those people who always try to find a reason for not doing something. Every little thing that you can dig up to make it look like "it doesn't apply to us. We can't do it." No wonder we're in the mire with attitudes like that.

He is one of the health and safety lot KM,

No you can not do that ect ect,

Quoted from ginnywings

Get the point, but clubs are successful/unsuccessful with all forms of ownership. Not all fan run clubs are struggling and not all clubs with financial benefactors are doing well, as we know. It's about making the right decisions by whomever runs the club.

Absolutely. I'm not saying it's impossible. But the consensus seems to be that fan ownership will suddenly transform us into a successful club.

The budget wouldn't be larger. Who would underwrite the club's finances? I know we don't lose much at the moment, but day to day running we probably dip into the overdraft which wouldn't be there without somebody to underwrite it. Then you get in the press for not paying players, staff etc and can't be good for morale. If results don't go well, attendances will drop and the situation would be far worse.

The thing that stands out most to me is that the majority of people calling for fan ownership aren't willing to do a single thing towards making it happen, unless you count bleeting on about it on here. If you genuinely want to go in this direction then you need to take the bull by the horns and start putting something in action. It may not prove fruitful, but at least you tried to do what you believe in. It's always much easier to let somebody else do it, but that somebody doesn't appear to be forthcoming.