Rotten to the core!!

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Surely this is the place to discuss it? It's a forum about opinions on Grimsby Town. There is a division between the fans on how the club is run.

Of course, but if people really want change they need to work together to achieve it. Operation Promotion was a superb achievement where the whole club came together. The ultimate example of change is FC United where a group of disgruntled fans formed a new club from scratch. I am not suggesting we do either of those things now, just pointing out what can be achieved though collaboration. We have some talented fans who possess a wide range of skills and together we have achieved some great things in the past where the Fishy has played an important role in bringing fans together.

Quoted from GrimRob

Of course, but if people really want change they need to work together to achieve it. Operation Promotion was a superb achievement where the whole club came together. The ultimate example of change is FC United where a group of disgruntled fans formed a new club from scratch. I am not suggesting we do either of those things now, just pointing out what can be achieved though collaboration. We have some talented fans who possess a wide range of skills and together we have achieved some great things in the past where the Fishy has played an important role in bringing fans together.

Everyone who reads the above post should try to calm down and have a good think about what Rob has written. Every variation of criticism has been exhausted now and I think JF has got the message. Will he do anything about it? I doubt it. It's obvious the club needs change and instead of shrugging shoulders or sounding off, could there be a way with determination and a pooling of minds and talents that could effect change? Something positive to channel all the negativity and frustration into..

Quoted from GrimRob

Of course, but if people really want change they need to work together to achieve it. Operation Promotion was a superb achievement where the whole club came together. The ultimate example of change is FC United where a group of disgruntled fans formed a new club from scratch. I am not suggesting we do either of those things now, just pointing out what can be achieved though collaboration. We have some talented fans who possess a wide range of skills and together we have achieved some great things in the past where the Fishy has played an important role in bringing fans together.

The whole club didn’t come together the fans came together. The club did jack excrement but charge what was it £1500 for the use of the pitch? The fans came together a year later for operation 3,000 for season tickets. Again the club did nothing. The fans came together again for Operation Mariachi the club did nothing, no support no PR stunt to pick up the tab. The fans make this club. The club and the way it runs and has done for the last 10 years stinks.

Quoted from Bigdog

Everyone who reads the above post should try to calm down and have a good think about what Rob has written. Every variation of criticism has been exhausted now and I think JF has got the message. Will he do anything about it? I doubt it. It's obvious the club needs change and instead of shrugging shoulders or sounding off, could there be a way with determination and a pooling of minds and talents that could effect change? Something positive to channel all the negativity and frustration into..

Its not minds that need pooling it's finances if the minority of Town fans who post on the Fishy want change.  

Quoted from Bigdog

Everyone who reads the above post should try to calm down and have a good think about what Rob has written. Every variation of criticism has been exhausted now and I think JF has got the message. Will he do anything about it? I doubt it. It's obvious the club needs change and instead of shrugging shoulders or sounding off, could there be a way with determination and a pooling of minds and talents that could effect change? Something positive to channel all the negativity and frustration into..

Somehow I don't think JF has got the message. There's no sign of a change of heart over anything.

But getting back to Rob's point, I agree with you both. Generating practicable ideas and executing them is very, very hard though in a format like this. Something like OP was a relatively simple concept which lots of people could immediately buy into, but it had a limited, and simple aim - raise funds to help the promotion push. It was executed very well.

Coming up with 'Operation Change Control of the Club' is different order of complexity. (Even the bloody name is long-winded   )


One immediate thing, the disaffected fans can do is join the Trust. Cynical about that organisation achieving anything worthwhile? Then bloody well join, find like minded people, get on the Trust board and change the direction. If I remember my history right, before he seized power in Russia, Lenin and his cohorts took control of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party and turned it into a practical revolutionary movement ready to take power. I'm not suggesting by the way that all disaffected fans are Commies (I think a fair few are a 'little' more to the right than that   ) or sending the Non-Chairman to a Gulag (or Hull as it's known).

Or maybe do it the other way round. If like-minded disaffected fans met face-to-face, tried to find enough like minded souls, and then all joined the Trust in mass once you're confident in the numbers.

OK the next problem is how do you change control of the club if JF doesn't want to leave. That's where face-to-face meetings come into it. Where there's a will.

And yes I'm discounting finding a richer man who will pump millions into the club. In the long-run that just leads to disappointment.

I think we should club together and buy the Imp and open it as a fans hub before and after the games. A few swift ones before and after might help?

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Somehow I don't think JF has got the message. There's no sign of a change of heart over anything.

But getting back to Rob's point, I agree with you both. Generating practicable ideas and executing them is very, very hard though in a format like this. Something like OP was a relatively simple concept which lots of people could immediately buy into, but it had a limited, and simple aim - raise funds to help the promotion push. It was executed very well.

Coming up with 'Operation Change Control of the Club' is different order of complexity. (Even the bloody name is long-winded   )


One immediate thing, the disaffected fans can do is join the Trust. Cynical about that organisation achieving anything worthwhile? [b][/b]Then bloody well join, find like minded people, get on the Trust board and change the direction. If I remember my history right, before he seized power in Russia, Lenin and his cohorts took control of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party and turned it into a practical revolutionary movement ready to take power. I'm not suggesting by the way that all disaffected fans are Commies (I think a fair few are a 'little' more to the right than that   ) or sending the Non-Chairman to a Gulag (or Hull as it's known).

Or maybe do it the other way round. If like-minded disaffected fans met face-to-face, tried to find enough like minded souls, and then all joined the Trust in mass once you're confident in the numbers.

OK the next problem is how do you change control of the club if JF doesn't want to leave. That's where face-to-face meetings come into it. Where there's a will.

And yes I'm discounting finding a richer man who will pump millions into the club. In the long-run that just leads to disappointment.

Regarding the bit in bold - the Trust had a chance to do something but voted not to do so. That's been done to death, it's history. The seat on the board is just a necessary inconvenience and powerless to achieve anything that disaffected fans may crave.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

I think we should club together and buy the Imp and open it as a fans hub before and after the games. A few swift ones before and after might help?

Thought it was being converted into flats?