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codcheeky
July 13, 2017, 6:54pm
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Quoted from grimsby pete


That's fine by me Ian but 91 has no idea how much a successful  car salesmen can earn,

When I was doing it I was on more money than the Prime Minister.

The End


If I was you I would stop digging mate, Bragging about how much richer than you I am is never a good look, even some Tories find it a little crude
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July 13, 2017, 8:33pm
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On a personal level, i buy Russian birch plywood. The cost of it has gone up by about 40% since we voted for brexit, so fook brexit i say. It's been a disaster for my business and i am having to raise my prices. All my costings were done last April and now my business is suffering. I can't raise my prices too high so soon after agreeing a pricing structure with my customer, so i have to take a substantial hit.


Sorry to hear that... sadly there will always be winners and losers just like our fishing industry that lost thanks to the EU's common fisheries policy.


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Why not call a truce on this one ,some of us are conservatives some socialist, unlikely any of us will greatly change our views and so this fighting is really not worth it. Roll on the football season utm
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July 13, 2017, 8:58pm

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Quoted from codcheeky


If I was you I would stop digging mate, Bragging about how much richer than you I am is never a good look, even some Tories find it a little crude


I am not the one looking down on another persons job.


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Sigh. Pointing out factual information is not, 'putting your country down'. That's the sort of half-witted nonsense that Leadsom was ridiculed for the other week. I was correct before - you really are getting more and more absurd.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear that you agree with me that we export next to nothing in the way of computers. $3.7 billion makes up less than 0.9% of our exports from your figures. As I pointed out previously, much of the hardware in any computer exports comes from the far east so these exports won't be high-margin items. Using your own source, you'll see that we imported $15 billion of computer goods that year:

http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/visualize/tree_map/hs92/import/gbr/show/8471/2015/

A trade deficit of just $11.3 billion that year in computers! Now we're really cooking with gas...

Gems? Well, for diamonds, we exported $1.58 billion versus imports of $2.33 billion, so just a $75 million deficit there. Jewellery? A $50 million deficit. Very kind of you to largely prove my points for me.

The Gold figures are a bit peculiar, that's for sure. We don't mine much in the way of gold here ([url=http://www.indexmundi.com/minerals/?product=gold]link[/url]), a tiny fraction of a percentage of the world's production, in fact. I'd guess it must be that a good chunk of the major gold mining companies must currently be in the UK stock market so therefore we get the value of their exports against our economy. Let's hope they don't decide to decamp elsewhere. Regardless, gold production is at a peak and won't be going higher so don't expect any great changes in this value unless the price of gold leaps up again. Of course, it could also fall a great deal.

As for your link about bank passporting, I would be wary about what Moody's or any of the other ratings agencies say. After all, they were culpable for the financial crash a decade ago after laughably awarding junk bonds AAA ratings. It will be interesting to see if what they say is correct in this regard, though even their report said the following:



Once they've moved, they aren't likely to be back too soon.

There we go, then. More factual information (or as factual as can be provided). Does this make me some kind of a traitor, then?


$3.7B and growing.... but you implied we don't sell any 🤔 so now your are rubbishing the amount very patriotic of you, would you be more happy if we wasn't selling any maybe get the deficit up to a nice round $15B


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July 14, 2017, 8:23am
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That sentence contained about as much meaningful content as any random interview with Theresa May.

Your computer export success story is actually a massive computer import deficit which is unsurprising because, as I noted, we don't produce any of the hardware here, don't have any of the major manufacturers and don't own the rights to produce any of the technology. You're literally cheering on the best part of £10 billion of our current account deficit. That's money leaving our economy for overseas.

It's like claiming victory when GTFC lose 1-4 because we've scored a goal!
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My take on all this is that in order to quell the never ending debate over Europe that has blighted the Tory party for decades, Cameron decided to once and for all put the issue to bed by having a referendum, fully expecting the electorate to back him and stay in the EU. Just like May, he got it massively wrong and a lot of misguided little Englanders, with their xenophobic tendencies decided that we were better off as a sovereign nation standing alone, just like a lot of Tories do, who still hark back to the fifties. They convinced people that we would be better off standing alone and don't need "Johnny Foreigner" in some kind of throwback to the days of empire. A lot of the older generation and a great amount of union jack waving "patriots" jumped all over this idea, not knowing or caring what the actual outcome would be. But hey, we have our country back. A poorer, more dysfunctional country, with less rights for workers will ensue but we are a proud nation again. Only we are not, and i think letting the general public decide our future trade deals and standing in Europe is a disastrous mistake. Most people don't know a good thing when they see it and will eventually see the error they have committed in the name of patriotism and jingoism. There is strength in unity and nothing good ever comes of division.

I don't expect everyone will have this view and i expect it will be challenged by Grim and his cohorts, but this is what i and others think and all the talking in the world won't change my view that we have made a grave mistake. One good thing to come out of all this is that it has mobilised the young, who are right royally pi$$ed off at what has happened and dealt the Tories a blow at the General Election. Let's hope the fookers are taking notice.
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I see the German car makers are starting to panic,

They need some reassurance that there will not be a cliff edge but a prolong period of  agreement

after Brexit before they invest any more money in England,

I have just remembered about the fake cars that where as good as the German cars at half the price,

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Quoted from grimsby pete
I see the German car makers are starting to panic,

They need some reassurance that there will not be a cliff edge but a prolong period of  agreement

after Brexit before they invest any more money in England,

I have just remembered about the fake cars that where as good as the German cars at half the price,

It was not China it was India  


I doubt it. There are many more markets for them. We might be somewhere to invest though to take advantage of cheap labour and plenty of flexibility for employers - i.e. when all the 'red tape' (aka employment, safety and environmental regulations are lifted).


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No surprise that Ze Germans have announced that they are going to build their electric Minis in their UK factory as it won't require any new production lines to be built and will keep the 'Britishness' of the brand going. Of course, the initial numbers of electric cars will be low for some years yet and the expensive bits - electric motors and the batteries - will be manufactured in Germany.
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