Bike to the Bank/Park - Charity Bike Ride

bl00dy hell  havent i opened a can of worms ....i could take the 3 posts  apart with quotes and contridict them and be typing here for a day  as so much in it is wrong  and seen from only one point of view (but we can all be guilty of that) but then  i would be in danger of spoiling the attmosphere of the whole ride

i never for once expected one great line  of sweaty bikers ....but i did think we could split into groups of 10ish and bee  enough space between groups just for cars/vans to bunny hop along  ....i never ever expected for one group be so far ahead of the one behind it could no longer see it ....so it could no longer draw energy from it ...as you say "psychology plays a huge part in not giving up!"

(pedalling hard you can get 35mph easy lol)......sorry that is just stupid....i have a very good freind who  10 to 12 years ago  biked the 3 peaks challange ...coming down a hill at speed ...he never made a corner ......even now the skin grafts on his face  are evident ......little mistakes on a bike at that speed  can be tragic.....he never regained any sort of confidence in his apperance

"your idea of riding in a group is idealistic and unfortuantly not realistic - no offence meant. by your own admittance brazilnut, your going with what you THINK is right' how much experience have you in this sort of thing? "

yes it is idealistic  but it is also desgin to create a team spirit ...a we can do this together attitude when the legs are buning and the bum is sore ..........i have had no experiance in this...but as far as i know this is your first experiance in organising  an event of this magnitude .....so maybe we atre both wrong.....we could both be right in some way .....until it has happened  and EXPERIANCE tells us  we will never know


brazilnut - just looked at your timings....i am not bothered about my timings or my speed  i intend to try and make sure everyone gets there ...feeling good about their achievement


why do i bother......because you care enough to try make a differance  and i tried to acknowledge this with my opening line
with your brilliant organisation you have managed to persaude/make do able an effort many doubted(even marinerian started out as a doubter) some of the riders have got on a bike for the first time in years

yes i am being idealistic...i am thinking of the riders as a team which needs to work together as a team and it needs the better /fitter /more organised riders to HELP the others

it is my opinion and hopes for the day and  this is the last time i will state it ...dont ask me about it  any time after issac hill as i will not be able to breath ......i will be buying  Citymariner  and Lincolnmariner a pint as a thankyou for all your hard work...NewtoN i will clip round the ear for suggesting it ...

Hi everyone,

Another update from the Czech Republic and the "other" bike ride set for next saturday.  The training is going very well so I'm happy that we should all get to the match in good condition and on time. I've now got another 4 guys riding with me and also a van & driver plus feeding crew. Getting that lot organised sems to take up as much time as I've spent on my bike over the last week!

Anyway, good look to all taking part in BTTB, I hope your training is good and above all, try to enjoy it and be proud of what you are all doing.

UTM

Brno Mariner.

Quoted from Brazilnut

bl00dy hell  havent i opened a can of worms ....i could take the 3 posts  apart with quotes and contridict them and be typing here for a day  as so much in it is wrong  and seen from only one point of view (but we can all be guilty of that) but then  i would be in danger of spoiling the attmosphere of the whole ride

i never for once expected one great line  of sweaty bikers ....but i did think we could split into groups of 10ish and bee  enough space between groups just for cars/vans to bunny hop along  ....i never ever expected for one group be so far ahead of the one behind it could no longer see it ....so it could no longer draw energy from it ...as you say "psychology plays a huge part in not giving up!"

(pedalling hard you can get 35mph easy lol)......sorry that is just stupid....i have a very good freind who  10 to 12 years ago  biked the 3 peaks challange ...coming down a hill at speed ...he never made a corner ......even now the skin grafts on his face  are evident ......little mistakes on a bike at that speed  can be tragic.....he never regained any sort of confidence in his apperance

"your idea of riding in a group is idealistic and unfortuantly not realistic - no offence meant. by your own admittance brazilnut, your going with what you THINK is right' how much experience have you in this sort of thing? "

yes it is idealistic  but it is also desgin to create a team spirit ...a we can do this together attitude when the legs are buning and the bum is sore ..........i have had no experiance in this...but as far as i know this is your first experiance in organising  an event of this magnitude .....so maybe we atre both wrong.....we could both be right in some way .....until it has happened  and EXPERIANCE tells us  we will never know


brazilnut - just looked at your timings....i am not bothered about my timings or my speed  i intend to try and make sure everyone gets there ...feeling good about their achievement


why do i bother......because you care enough to try make a differance  and i tried to acknowledge this with my opening line
with your brilliant organisation you have managed to persaude/make do able an effort many doubted(even marinerian started out as a doubter) some of the riders have got on a bike for the first time in years

yes i am being idealistic...i am thinking of the riders as a team which needs to work together as a team and it needs the better /fitter /more organised riders to HELP the others

it is my opinion and hopes for the day and  this is the last time i will state it ...dont ask me about it  any time after issac hill as i will not be able to breath ......i will be buying  Citymariner  and Lincolnmariner a pint as a thankyou for all your hard work...NewtoN i will clip round the ear for suggesting it ...

The only thing i will want is lucozade followed by coffee followed by a walkie top shelfer (expensive) lol

For all those reading the lil debate about the breaking up of the groups, please do not worry.

This is one thing we HAVE to look at. We are still in the planning process about the riding, we have 4 days to sort this, this is why views are better than none, please do not feel like it is an argument, we need to be looking at all sides to the debate and assesing which is better.

Just please do not take personal digs at each other!

We have been given a deadline of Thursday to get all the finer details of how/when we will be cycling. The police have already confirmed they WILL stop us on the road from louth to grimblethorpe if we are all in one group, so we will be breaking up between the two points.

I was hoping it was something that could be sorted on the day, but due to mine and Josh's cycle ride last night we decided we had to get the views has josh finished half an hour before me, (did go slightly the wrong way when i turned on the the a46 dual carriage way instead of carring on the a15) i managed to keep going thanks to my phones music and cursing josh for leaving me but will power got me going has i new i had a time to beat.

On the Dual carriage way i had a bloke in front of me on a bike (could only just see him) and he was my target, i was determined to overtake him, took a while but managed it and my normal speed.

Everything will work out fine, we have some more experienced riders and some not so.
I averaged 13 mph which i thought (while riding) was very slow, but had lots of headwind so was very pleased with it.

The target speed is 10-12 ideally 12mph.
There is deadlines We HAVE to leave the lord tennyson at 1pm so ideally we need to be there for 12.30pm which is still 5 and half hours, plenty of time if we went at 12mph we should be there before 12pm.

But in all honesty we can debate and argue all this, and on the day it will probably be totally different, we cant say a b and c go in the front group d e f in middle as e will probably have bursts of energy and want to get in the front pack while b drops back down to the last group etc etc these groups are basis for strength and fitness not on face value. (hope you all understood that last paragpraph)

We will be fully discussing all health and safety on friday. IT is ESSENTIAL that as many come as possible to save me/josh explaining everything again the next morning when we will need to be preparing A) for the ride B) Convoys C) St Johns D)any other problems occouring on the day.

WIth regards to bikes, ive spoken to dave smith who is going to ask the caretaker if he will open up bp at 6.30 so we can get our bikes.
Ive asked if we can take them to bp on the friday night. (will confirm this on tuesday)

Ill be in the imp from 11ish (bttb 08 back of town top) so if anyone is about please say hello, as there is still alot of riders, im still to meet and greet

We will also be having a after ride meeting at some point of the following week, this will be a debrief of anything that went wrong, things that were better etc etc just so it can all be minuted and kept for records for the basis of the next fishy charity bike ride.

Sponsor money to be collected by 13/8/08 at the LATEST. We will arrange a time and place before the Home match on that day for monies to be signed off and handed over.
You must sign two forms, one to say you collected x amount and another to say you handed it to me and/or Josh, (this is for legal reasons).

Sorry brazil forgot to edit your post so that only your last paragraph showed.

Quoted from Brazilnut

we aim to have 3 groups

Experienced
Intermediate
Beginner


i have just come back on cos this disturbs me...as LH states the plan was for us all to stick together...and again the original pace thought practical was 10 mph
having an experianced group go ahead is wrong on so many levels
with your brilliant organisation you have managed to persaude/make do able an effort many doubted(even marinerian started out as a doubter) some of the riders have got on a bike for the first time in years....and some of us will struggle

surely it should be the job of the experianced to ride the group encouraging , helping , cogjoling(sp)

if you ride ahead  then you get to the rest break 10 to 15 ahead of the rest....as the beginners arrive you wilk be ready for the off.....so off you go.....all of a sudden the beginners only have a five stop so not to get too far behind....so the beginners  who need the rest stops more end up.....haveing less ..so getting more and more tired

they then get dropped by the intermediates as they struggle....so now you have a group of people who are trying to do probably the hardest thing they have done for years and they are on their own....then resentment will start to creep in.....and then the enjoyment  goes and you start to wonder why the bloody hell you bothered
thats when the temptation to jump in a support vehicle creeps in  and all of a sudden potential sponsorship is lost

also you arrange to meet the lincoln mob(which i am sure a great bunch) you experianced get there and a meeting takes place handshakes ....a coffee....even a pint maybe....then come the intermediateries and handshakes a hug ..no time for a pint......if you decide to stick around long enough..the  beginners get there....but they will no longer be beginners in the eyes of the Lincoln mob....they will be the numpties holding everyone up.....more resentment ...more reason to sit in a van  and fail the task

you get to lincoln  and the lord tennyson...some have a sausage buttie some have a shower the chairmen come along and pics taken......up cpme the numpties at the back....sausage buns cold ....missed the pice......very short rest break and last 2 miles to ground....the experiance at the front taking the admiring glances of the general public as they ride into town....the poor beginners/numpties who have riden their best ...cut short their rest breaks .....missed refreshments to stay on back of group into Lincoln are at the back getting the angry looks from the traffic being held up to let 50  odd bikers show what they can do

so because you can not be bothered to ride with everyone else and you want t show what your youthful legs ...your great bike  can do  instead of of helping some older fatter well meaning fool on a bike built 20 years ago  you will spoil the experiance and the ethos of the whole thing for many

i intead to shake everyones hand at the beginning and wish them luck....and i intend to shake everyones hand at the end and congratulate them....and i intead to stick with the Town fans and welcome the lincoln fans as one big group


sorry if spelling is out ...or some words /phrases are wrong.......but some times you just have to go with what you think is right

I'm in complete agreement. Let's do this together. If that means some going slower than they would like then that's how it should be. For the reord, I expect to be in the intermediate group of riders but if I get ahead of any of my chums (we are all doing this for the same reason. We're all in it together) then I'll be pacing myself accordingly.

Come on lads n lasses. The age/fitness differences are massive. Let's be realistic and do this together.

i'll be in the alomst crippled group right at the back but aslong as we get there together and set of together im not to fussed, i would rather stay at the back for the whole ride then be near the front and everyone behind me

Quoted from lincolnsmariner

Sponsor money to be collected by 13/8/08 at the LATEST. We will arrange a time and place before the Home match on that day for monies to be signed off and handed over.
You must sign two forms, one to say you collected x amount and another to say you handed it to me and/or Josh, (this is for legal reasons).

I assume deadline for cash in is 13-09? I'm abroad from the day after the bike for a couple of weeks. I'll sort it out ASAP but I'll still be away on 13-09. I'd pay you before I get the cash in from my sponsors but holiday money is tight. I'll get on it as soon as I get home.

[/b]jeez- i would love to do this together but we can't end of

I AM looking from one point of view - THE SAFE ONE

read my bit about having a clump of riders 100m long.

[b]we will still be doing it together regardless of groups whether they be by experience or just group a,b and c.


you pick up on all the off comments i posted but none of the nitty gritty ones.

you just carry on with your 'all doing together line' withiout considering my posts regarding road safety.

35mph down a hill isn't fast for an experienced rider when road bikers can average that on the flat - if you don't want to go that fast you don't, i was merely highlghting how nice this hill was at the end of the ride. this section of the ride will be under police escort so we need to stick together.

Furthermore, it will be just as tragic being clumped together when some idiot boy racer comes steaming past us!!

BP
you need to consider my post regarding the clump of riders and chances for cars to overtake as well as enabling the medical teams to get to an accident.

i've admitted that naming the groups by experience was wrong of me


WE HAVE TO USE GROUPINGS WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT

please guys, i WANT to do this as a big group, but we are not allowed.

this setup will allow riders:

through traffic lights safely (stops people jumping lights)
allow cars to overtake safely
allows medical attention to delivered swiftly (the last thing you want is everyone stopping on a grass verge!!)
allows groups to support each other and tailor the pace for those in each group
allows mechanical problems for 1 person to affect 1 group and not the whole pack (again you don't want everyone stopping with traffic still passing)
allows groups to tailor their breaks rather than disrupting everyone (regardless of experience)

these groups will be staggered to give enough distance between them for safety and should not exceed more than 1/2 hour between the front car and the last car.
thats the group roughly spread over 5miles - this is like a mile between each group - hopefully we don't have to stretch to this and we keep it to more like 2-3.

this is based on EVERYONE doing the same pace of say 12mph average.

just got jon round here

we are doing groups:

they will be mixed with a range of ability (but we need to know your intended ability) so thhat experience can push on 'beginners' adn have mechanical knowledge in case anything happens.

there will also be a first aider in each group to give immediate first aid.


my first post regarding groups by ability was WRONG, i didn't mean to split the groups by ability and cause all this aggro that was just the way of splitting as an example which entered my head first.

sorry,