Interesting comments from JS

Quoted from HertsGTFC

A thread that perfectly illustrates what people say about the Fishy.

If JS never talked about data his detractors on here would say we need to use more data to get us up the table.

He and AP are both good guys, yeah I 100% see the relegation threat but just picking fault in everything he says is bonkers.

Short memories some people 🙄

Not sure most of us are fussed we just want JS to use his eyes and admit he's dropped a bollock and rectify it ASAP

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

If Fenty had been charge for less than 3 years, I wouldn’t have given him shït for appointing a manager, which at this point, isn’t working.

Any appointment is a risk.

I would have done in the second half of Fenty’s tenure because he became an embarrassment for his general behaviour.

Writing vanilla, flannel / philosophical musings (delete as applicable) in a national broadsheet does not constitute embarrassing.

Honest John for the majority of his tenure had
Failure/failure
On the pitch (17 years) /infrastructure (20 years ) that's a large percentage of failure .

This weird narrative that both off field improvements and on the pitch performance  can't co-exist from some is bizarre.But honest absolutely massacred the infrastructure side of the club , in favour of being semi competitive on the field which he also tucked up . Tick those failure boxes on both sides year in year out , and you end up where we are ; far far behind the pack I would say it was the opposite of the Stockwood /Pettit ideal . JSF must have had
'continuous regression ' as his mantra for 20 years .

Stockwood / Pettit
On the pitch/imfrastructure
Year 1- Failure/success (not the full season)
Year 2- Success /success
Year 3-Success /Success
Year 4- looks iffy

The small sample size of what they have achieved so far leaves me highly optimistic that if they stick around they will deliver more success than failure as they get to grips with the football world .

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Not sure most of us are fussed we just want JS to use his eyes and admit he's dropped a bollock and rectify it ASAP

That I agree with.

The owners shouldn’t be anywhere near the overarching football strategy. They’re there, at best, for the business side of things.

You don’t see the Glazers getting involved in football matters, nor do you see Sheikh Mansour pulling the strings at Man City on the football side.

You employ people for that, whether it’s a Director of Football, CEO, Sporting Director, Head of Recruitment or simply down to a manager which has been the more traditional approach here in the U.K. It’s a skilled role.

It’s not for Stockwood (at least if we want to be successful) to demand we play ‘the Grimsby Way’. That’s an absolutely nonsense approach. For example, budget constraints or location issues may mean that getting the players in to play that way isn’t realistic. Only a football person can judge that.

We are in a mess

Quoted from davmariner

The owners shouldn’t be anywhere near the overarching football strategy. They’re there, at best, for the business side of things.

You don’t see the Glazers getting involved in football matters, nor do you see Sheikh Mansour pulling the strings at Man City on the football side.

You employ people for that, whether it’s a Director of Football, CEO, Sporting Director, Head of Recruitment or simply down to a manager which has been the more traditional approach here in the U.K. It’s a skilled role.

It’s not for Stockwood (at least if we want to be successful) to demand we play ‘the Grimsby Way’. That’s an absolutely nonsense approach. For example, budget constraints or location issues may mean that getting the players in to play that way isn’t realistic. Only a football person can judge that.

I completely agree and maybe in hindsight Jason wouldn’t use the term “Grimsby way” again.

Maybe though he was actually referring to trying to recruit a manager who’ll play entertaining attacking football, you can’t blame him for trying to do that can we? Isn’t that what we all want to see?

Despite his commitments I’d be amazed if he tried to tell someone as stubborn as Artell how to coach & set up a team. Then again looking at the last few games someone needs to 🙄

Who is in charge of recruitment ?

Quoted from davmariner

The owners shouldn’t be anywhere near the overarching football strategy. They’re there, at best, for the business side of things.

You don’t see the Glazers getting involved in football matters, nor do you see Sheikh Mansour pulling the strings at Man City on the football side.

You employ people for that, whether it’s a Director of Football, CEO, Sporting Director, Head of Recruitment or simply down to a manager which has been the more traditional approach here in the U.K. It’s a skilled role.

It’s not for Stockwood (at least if we want to be successful) to demand we play ‘the Grimsby Way’. That’s an absolutely nonsense approach. For example, budget constraints or location issues may mean that getting the players in to play that way isn’t realistic. Only a football person can judge that.

Nonsense. If the owners of a business don't decide the direction they want the operation to go, what is the point of them?

If I was running the club, I'd certainly be looking to have a team playing good football, something for which we were known for much of my formative years (i.e. the Buckley eras). People still talk disparagingly of Slade's 'Hoofball' era and were chuntering about Hurst's functional, somewhat dour style of play (in both his spells) for as long as I can remember.

The complaints about trying to play it out from the back have been ridiculous because, as we've seen, reverting to punting it forward hasn't exactly helped things. There's a balance to be made, obviously, but we're not capable of playing a clogging game and nor would I want to see it.

On the assumption that Artell isn't here at the end of the season, I hope that whoever takes over (and at whatever level we are playing), will attempt to play attractive, attacking football. Trying to grind out results in a relegation scrap is understandable. Starting a season with the hope of grinding out enough results for some sort of success (whatever that may be) throughout the year isn't.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

I completely agree and maybe in hindsight Jason wouldn’t use the term “Grimsby way” again.

Maybe though he was actually referring to trying to recruit a manager who’ll play entertaining attacking football, you can’t blame him for trying to do that can we? Isn’t that what we all want to see?

Despite his commitments I’d be amazed if he tried to tell someone as stubborn as Artell how to coach & set up a team. Then again looking at the last few games someone needs to 🙄

I’m really surprised that there aren’t clear areas of responsibility. Ok, you recruit someone with the right ethos and track record but you surely either back them with the finance to recruit players to play their system or ask them to ensure safety first. We seem to have got caught between two stools.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

I completely agree and maybe in hindsight Jason wouldn’t use the term “Grimsby way” again.

Maybe though he was actually referring to trying to recruit a manager who’ll play entertaining attacking football, you can’t blame him for trying to do that can we? Isn’t that what we all want to see?

Despite his commitments I’d be amazed if he tried to tell someone as stubborn as Artell how to coach & set up a team. Then again looking at the last few games someone needs to 🙄

Artell's preferred style is akin to Stockwood's self confessed "Grimsby Way" so Artell will have been like music to his ears when he started talking about all the fantastic things Crewe did.

I understand the need for a philosophy that passes through the academy and in to the first team. It doesn't happen with one appointment though, it takes years. As others have said, you hire football people for it and those people should understand the current level we operate at. As we sit 22nd in League Two, we have to ask ourselves what value are Twenty First Group and Gareth Jennings actually bringing to the table? Seriously, are the board being ill-advised by these people?