Foreign players

Quoted from rancido

I don't think I was sold a pup. I fully expected a set back but unfortunately the pandemic and Ukraine has made things more difficult. I wanted out of the EU because I was frustrated with the UK's future and destiny being dictated by a biased political structure that was orientated towards the benefit of France and Germany. I don't regret voting out and I would do the same again if the opportunity arose again.

Ah, so you're one of the folk who decided 'sovereignty' was more important than the nation's prosperity, direct access to the world's wealthiest trading bloc and freedom of movement to work and study elsewhere in the EU. Seems a lot to give up to me over a nebulous concept which doesn't hold much water at closer scrutiny.

I've never understood the 'sovereignty' argument given that we had a veto on policy, helped select the commission and therefore set EU policy and benefitted immeasurably from membership.

I prefer a more pragmatic approach. The EU was and is far from perfect, but it's always better to be inside the tent pissing out then vice versa.

Brexit has shafted our business and many thousands of others around the country. We're going to be paying much more for food from now onwards (hence the higher inflation here compared to the rest of Europe), and our agricultural sector is failing without workers and due to a loss of access to the single market. I personally wasn't ever going to be moving to Europe to work or study (a couple of my friends did so when we were younger), but it would have been nice if my kids hadn't had the opportunity to do so stripped away from them.

Given that we're much worse off due to Brexit already and food inflation is going to get worse when we finally bring in the import checks we keep postponing, it's interesting to see you still so firm in your conviction that Brexit was a good idea.

I personally think you're deluded, but that's your right, I suppose.

I do wonder just how much damage to the economy do you think makes the sovereignty aspect worthwhile? Difficult to be clear without counterfactuals as to what might have occurred without Brexit. The combination of Brexit and the worst government in living memory makes it difficult to be clear just which aspect has copulated which things up.

lets not forget we,ve since had Covid and War in Ukraine also causing price increases. A ship that blocked Suez didn't help either.

Quoted from Wedidntdidwe

lets not forget we,ve since had Covid and War in Ukraine also causing price increases. A ship that blocked Suez didn't help either.

The suez flipping canal. You've just dropped those straws you're clutching at.

Quoted from rancido

I don't think I was sold a pup. I fully expected a set back but unfortunately the pandemic and Ukraine has made things more difficult. I wanted out of the EU because I was frustrated with the UK's future and destiny being dictated by a biased political structure that was orientated towards the benefit of France and Germany. I don't regret voting out and I would do the same again if the opportunity arose again.

Is covid and the war in Ukraine the reason Grimsby still doesnt have anything remotely resembling a fishing industry despite Lia Nici proudly proclaiming that we had the trawlers and the men ready to go on January 1st 2021 then?

You've been sold a lie, the whole thing was about shorting the pound so Farage and his hedge fund mates (Rees-Mogg, Crispin Odey etc) could make a fortune at our expense. Most of the key Brexiteers have since left the UK knowing that its copulated. Dyson, Ratcliffe to name a couple.

Falling for the lie at the time was daft, but if you're narrow minded then I could understand how it could happen. Failing to see you've been duped now is just plain stupid.

Quoted from rancido

I don't regret voting out and I would do the same again if the opportunity arose again.

So you don’t want to be out?

You want to be out out

Quoted from Maringer

Ah, so you're one of the folk who decided 'sovereignty' was more important than the nation's prosperity, direct access to the world's wealthiest trading bloc and freedom of movement to work and study elsewhere in the EU. Seems a lot to give up to me over a nebulous concept which doesn't hold much water at closer scrutiny.

I've never understood the 'sovereignty' argument given that we had a veto on policy, helped select the commission and therefore set EU policy and benefitted immeasurably from membership.

I prefer a more pragmatic approach. The EU was and is far from perfect, but it's always better to be inside the tent pissing out then vice versa.

Brexit has shafted our business and many thousands of others around the country. We're going to be paying much more for food from now onwards (hence the higher inflation here compared to the rest of Europe), and our agricultural sector is failing without workers and due to a loss of access to the single market. I personally wasn't ever going to be moving to Europe to work or study (a couple of my friends did so when we were younger), but it would have been nice if my kids hadn't had the opportunity to do so stripped away from them.

Given that we're much worse off due to Brexit already and food inflation is going to get worse when we finally bring in the import checks we keep postponing, it's interesting to see you still so firm in your conviction that Brexit was a good idea.

I personally think you're deluded, but that's your right, I suppose.

I do wonder just how much damage to the economy do you think makes the sovereignty aspect worthwhile? Difficult to be clear without counterfactuals as to what might have occurred without Brexit. The combination of Brexit and the worst government in living memory makes it difficult to be clear just which aspect has copulated which things up.

If " sovereignty" means having more control over my life through my elected government then I will take that every time. I'm presently on holiday in a non-EU Mediterranean country so I don't particularly want to spend time debating my views. All I will say is that you have chosen one word that seems to crop up in all the debates that are aimed at those that voted to leave the EU and that word is " deluded ". Another poster called me " a fool " and the expression " sold a pup " was also used. We live in a democracy whereby an individual can hold his own political views and vote whichever way they choose - and that is what I believe in.
As a last note the people of the UK never ever had the chance to vote on joining the EU ( or Common Market as it was known). It was part of the Labour Party's manifesto leading upto a General election and as such was part of a raft of intentions to the voting public and accepted to get them back in Government. It wasn't a direct choice, just a price to pay to get Labour back in power. I never wanted it then, I didn't want in when Harold Wilson gave the people the choice to stay in and I still don't want it.

Quoted from rancido

If " sovereignty" means having more control over my life through my elected government then I will take that every time. I'm presently on holiday in a non-EU Mediterranean country so I don't particularly want to spend time debating my views. All I will say is that you have chosen one word that seems to crop up in all the debates that are aimed at those that voted to leave the EU and that word is " deluded ". Another poster called me " a fool " and the expression " sold a pup " was also used. We live in a democracy whereby an individual can hold his own political views and vote whichever way they choose - and that is what I believe in.
As a last note the people of the UK never ever had the chance to vote on joining the EU ( or Common Market as it was known). It was part of the Labour Party's manifesto leading upto a General election and as such was part of a raft of intentions to the voting public and accepted to get them back in Government. It wasn't a direct choice, just a price to pay to get Labour back in power. I never wanted it then, I didn't want in when Harold Wilson gave the people the choice to stay in and I still don't want it.

It's virtually impossible to know how much damage brexit has done to the economy. Lots of the things being blamed on brexit are a result of other things, but it's unquestionable that it has made trading with Europe more difficult for British business and ultimately that cost comes out of our pockets. The only way economically that we benefit is if we get good trade deals with other countries that the EU doesn't have, it's a long time before that plays out. The economy isn't the only thing that comes into play though, democracy, sovereignty and control of your own destiny are equally valid reasons for voting to leave. Ultimately the most important thing is the economy, and we may have done the wrong thing. But the billions that are invested all over Europe that were part funded by the British tax payer could be invested in this country to improve our economy, I'm not sure it will be, and I have zero confidence in the Tories or Labour to get anything right with the majority of the people running those parties.

Quoted from Norseman

That'll teach me .Clicked on foreign players and all I got was a load of remoaners wittering about Brexit on a football forum

Looking forward to you clicking the Abo Eisa thread.

Quoted from Balthazar Bullitt

We haven't been self sufficient in food production for about 150 years. This could have been some long term strategy those pesky French as revenge for Waterloo but I doubt it.

'Sharpe' intensifies (guitar riff wails in background).......

Quoted from pen penfras

It's virtually impossible to know how much damage brexit has done to the economy. Lots of the things being blamed on brexit are a result of other things, but it's unquestionable that it has made trading with Europe more difficult for British business and ultimately that cost comes out of our pockets. The only way economically that we benefit is if we get good trade deals with other countries that the EU doesn't have, it's a long time before that plays out. The economy isn't the only thing that comes into play though, democracy, sovereignty and control of your own destiny are equally valid reasons for voting to leave. Ultimately the most important thing is the economy, and we may have done the wrong thing. But the billions that are invested all over Europe that were part funded by the British tax payer could be invested in this country to improve our economy, I'm not sure it will be, and I have zero confidence in the Tories or Labour to get anything right with the majority of the people running those parties.

First time I have agreed with Pen I think. It wont matter which party is in they will just do what suits the money people wether in or out it makes little difference.