Kissinger

https://www.theguardian.com/fo.....e-grimsby-catenaccio

I’ve always loved this story

Popbitch tells this story slightly differently...


>> Oh Henry <<
Pissing off Kissinger

There's a Henry Kissinger story that has passed into legend about how he once attended a Grimsby Town FC match as the guest of (then-)foreign secretary Anthony Crosland and became a life-long fan of the team. According to Crosland's wife, the story isn't true – but the truth is arguably funnier.

Kissinger did travel up Grimsby way at the request of Crosland in April '76, but he did not go gladly. In fact, Kissinger was supposedly pretty miffed to be called to a breakfast meeting at RAF Waddingham, 100+ miles outside of London. But he did so as a favour to Crosland who insisted he had to stay close to Grimsby for a very important "constituency appointment".

It wasn't until later that Kissinger discovered Crosland's crucial "appointment" was Grimsby Town v Gillingham. And was even more drunk off as a result.

Good. Kissinger was an absolute scumbag, so anything which discomfited him is good.

He wasn't very popular in Cambodia, for example:

https://theconversation.com/he.....e-khmer-rouge-209353

At least it’ll be warm where he is tonight.

Quoted from SouthwarkMariner

Popbitch tells this story slightly differently...


>> Oh Henry <<
Pissing off Kissinger

There's a Henry Kissinger story that has passed into legend about how he once attended a Grimsby Town FC match as the guest of (then-)foreign secretary Anthony Crosland and became a life-long fan of the team. According to Crosland's wife, the story isn't true – but the truth is arguably funnier.

Kissinger did travel up Grimsby way at the request of Crosland in April '76, but he did not go gladly. In fact, Kissinger was supposedly pretty miffed to be called to a breakfast meeting at RAF Waddingham, 100+ miles outside of London. But he did so as a favour to Crosland who insisted he had to stay close to Grimsby for a very important "constituency appointment".

It wasn't until later that Kissinger discovered Crosland's crucial "appointment" was Grimsby Town v Gillingham. And was even more drunk off as a result.

That’s it? That’s the story?!

This is what Kevin Jeffreys' biography of Crosland had to say about it. Kissinger visited at dawn while on his way to Rhodesia, seems unlikely he stuck around for the match:

Quoted from Maringer

Good. Kissinger was an absolute scumbag, so anything which discomfited him is good.

He wasn't very popular in Cambodia, for example:

https://theconversation.com/he.....e-khmer-rouge-209353

The only Scumbag I see is the one talking ill of the dead.

Quoted from ska face

At least it’ll be warm where he is tonight.

Absolutely terrible comment whether joke or not

The only shame is that there isn’t a hell for Kissinger to go to.

Quoted from Zero_as_a_limit

This is what Kevin Jeffreys' biography of Crosland had to say about it. Kissinger visited at dawn while on his way to Rhodesia, seems unlikely he stuck around for the match:

First time I've seen this but it concurs with Susan Crosland's version. The Foreign Office staff who had to get up at 4 a.m. were apparently equally spitting feathers. Kissengers plane left Waddington by midday.

Quoted from GrimPol

The only Scumbag I see is the one talking ill of the dead.

After the amount of deaths that man was responsible for.

Brilliant!!!😎

Quoted from GrimPol

The only Scumbag I see is the one talking ill of the dead.

I'm sure you were also disappointed Bin Laden's love of the outdoors wasn't mentioned enough in his obituaries. Kissenger was responsible for a far greater number of deaths

I think this needs moving into non football as it appears to have gone off thread.

Quoted from GrimPol

The only Scumbag I see is the one talking ill of the dead.

Next Week on GrimPol News:

Pinochet - misunderstood genius of crowd control?

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After the amount of deaths that man was responsible for. [/quote

Shall we make a list and bore people.
I'll start with Blair.

Quoted from GrimPol

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After the amount of deaths that man was responsible for. [/quote

Shall we make a list and bore people.
I'll start with Blair.

Stalin (I win)

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

Next Week on GrimPol News:

Pinochet - misunderstood genius of crowd control?

Old news that

You obviously missed the point of my initial riposte. Why am I not surprised?

Are you a bot?!
The only person spectacularly missing the point, as usual, is you.

Quoted from GrimPol

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After the amount of deaths that man was responsible for. [/quote

Shall we make a list and bore people.
I'll start with Blair.

Can I think Blair and Kissinger were both war mongers and hold distain for both and any of that ilk?

REST IN urine HENRY

anyway Crosland was right, watching Town IS more important than chatting about doing some more war crimes

Oh, just seen the post that claims he did not visit BP, but if it’s true Crossland prioritised watching Town in that way it’s an even better story!

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

Pinochet - misunderstood genius of crowd control?

Or......a  little known white wine grape variety ?

Still non football.....

Fukin politics on here again FFS
intercourse off to non football

You started to read a thread with the title, 'Kissinger' and you're complaining about it not relating to football? Crikey.

I see there is a thread entitled Forest Green vs Blackpool. Not of interest to me, so I'll not bother opening it.

Quoted from TAGG

Fukin politics on here again FFS
intercourse off to non football

I started a Kissinger thread in non-football yesterday. Much like the Vietnam War and Cambodia, my thread appears to have spilled over to the other side because of that cünty Kissinger.

Quoted from chaos33

Are you a bot?!
The only person spectacularly missing the point, as usual, is you.

I assume you are referring to me?

So what don't you get about someone died, still not buried and you pour vitriol? What is it about you that you have any decency about you?
You pass diabolical comments on players that quite frankly if you saw face to face you would poo your pants, but of course, dead people are easy, can't fight back. So what was it about you that your parents didn't bring you up properly.?
My channel is open.

Quoted from GrimPol

My channel is open.

I don’t think that’s the warm place Ska had in mind

Quoted from bedders78

I'm sure you were also disappointed Bin Laden's love of the outdoors wasn't mentioned enough in his obituaries. Kissenger was responsible for a far greater number of deaths

Not arguing about what his legacy is, its the decency you don't have?
He's dead, you alive and every morning you look at that mirror, a scumbag is looking back.

RIP Bozo

Quoted from GrimPol

I assume you are referring to me?

So what don't you get about someone died, still not buried and you pour vitriol? What is it about you that you have any decency about you?
You pass diabolical comments on players that quite frankly if you saw face to face you would poo your pants, but of course, dead people are easy, can't fight back. So what was it about you that your parents didn't bring you up properly.?
My channel is open.

I think you might be confusing me with someone else. I haven’t really stated an opinion on the person in the thread title, and I certainly don’t post diabolical comments on our players.

Glad he’s dead. He should have died in prison. Hope he died in unimaginable pain. Murderous scumbag.

Quoted from horsforthmariner

Glad he’s dead. He should have died in prison. Hope he died in unimaginable pain. Murderous scumbag.

I've read some bile on this website over the years and this is up there with it for pity sake.

It’s mind blowing and ironic that a man partly and/or wholly responsible for a countless and inordinate amount of deaths of innocent men, women and children is being afforded more consideration by some on here in his death than he afforded his victims in life!
He was a war criminal and we have Grimpol bleating on about decency or some showing support! Do me a favour!! You reap what you sow!

He should have been tried and executed as a war criminal many years ago, but instead, he got to live a very long and extremely comfortable life.

The world is a fooked up place for sure.

Quoted from Sandford1981

It’s mind blowing and ironic that a man partly and/or wholly responsible for a countless and inordinate amount of deaths of innocent men, women and children is being afforded more consideration by some on here in his death than he afforded his victims in life!
He was a war criminal and we have people bleating on about decency? Do me a favour!! You reap what you sow!

It’s only GrimPol though.

Quoted from chaos33

It’s only GrimPol though.

Edited.

I suppose at least he has the courage of his convictions no matter how much I disagree with him. It Would be easier to just Red Cross and move on.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

I've read some bile on this website over the years and this is up there with it for pity sake.

Learn some history mate and then maybe you’ll understand.

Quoted from Sandford1981

Edited.

I suppose at least he has the courage of his convictions no matter how much I disagree with him. It Would be easier to just Red Cross and move on.

Without the detail of the context, and not just the superficial and often wrong stuff on Wiki, how can we make a proper moral judgements? You may be very well read on US policy and political history, I'm not and I suspect most on the Fishy are not. I wrote on one of the other non-footie threads re. Israel / Hamas that to some Arthur Harris was a war criminal, but Churchill would have been fully backed the RAF campaign, so was Churchill the war criminal? We have a memorial in our own county to 56,000 RAF personnel who are treated (rightly IMO) as heroes but killed 600,000 German civilians, more than 10 times the deaths in the blitz, and were called “murder flyers” (Mordfliegern) by the Germans. On Kissinger, he could be a war criminal for his promotion of slaughters in Cambodia and South America, but did he also help prevent nuclear conflagration through detente with the Soviets and China and more slaughter in the Middle East by negotiating the end Yom Kippur, which could have spiralled out of control with the Soviet stepping in to back Egypt?

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

Without the detail of the context, and not just the superficial and often wrong stuff on Wiki, how can we make a proper moral judgements? You may be very well read on US policy and political history, I'm not and I suspect most on the Fishy are not. I wrote on one of the other non-footie threads re. Israel / Hamas that to some Arthur Harris was a war criminal, but Churchill would have been fully backed the RAF campaign, so was Churchill the war criminal? We have a memorial in our own county to 56,000 RAF personnel who are treated (rightly IMO) as heroes but killed 600,000 German civilians, more than 10 times the deaths in the blitz, and were called “murder flyers” (Mordfliegern) by the Germans. On Kissinger, he could be a war criminal for his promotion of slaughters in Cambodia and South America, but did he also help prevent nuclear conflagration through detente with the Soviets and China and more slaughter in the Middle East by negotiating the end Yom Kippur, which could have spiralled out of control with the Soviet stepping in to back Egypt?

As usual your points are reasonable, interesting and well made.
Admittedly I am no historian but I’d credit myself with a modicum of ability regards critical and independent thought. Whether that’s overstating my intelligence I don’t know but, I certainly don’t rely on Wikipedia for information.
One man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter is a rudimentary over generalisation but I use it as a loose frame of reference for this type of situation.
Of course context is absolutely key and it’s a very subjective and emotive area.
My contempt is never for those with boots on the ground doing their job but with the politicians who treat them as an expendable commodity and the innocent as collateral damage.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

Without the detail of the context, and not just the superficial and often wrong stuff on Wiki, how can we make a proper moral judgements? You may be very well read on US policy and political history, I'm not and I suspect most on the Fishy are not. I wrote on one of the other non-footie threads re. Israel / Hamas that to some Arthur Harris was a war criminal, but Churchill would have been fully backed the RAF campaign, so was Churchill the war criminal? We have a memorial in our own county to 56,000 RAF personnel who are treated (rightly IMO) as heroes but killed 600,000 German civilians, more than 10 times the deaths in the blitz, and were called “murder flyers” (Mordfliegern) by the Germans. On Kissinger, he could be a war criminal for his promotion of slaughters in Cambodia and South America, but did he also help prevent nuclear conflagration through detente with the Soviets and China and more slaughter in the Middle East by negotiating the end Yom Kippur, which could have spiralled out of control with the Soviet stepping in to back Egypt?

This is a good post.

Kissinger's greatest legacy is the de-escalation of the nuclear threat. Statecraft and diplomacy requires ugly compromises (New Labour's 1997  'ethical foreign policy' disintegrated on contact with reality), but as pointed out by others Kissinger's brand of realpolitik led to terrible events.

If this sort of stuff is of interest, I'd recommend watching 'The Fog of War', a docu-film from about 20 years ago with Robert McNamara - US secretary of defense under Kennedy and Johnson. Sober reflections from an old man on lessons he learned from WW2, Cuba (the fine margin by which armageddon was averted) and Vietnam.