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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0djm1v0Budget and transfers- Spending all ST money on squad and infrastructure; investment in infrastructure is not adversely affecting playing budget
- Committed to more investment but it has to be sustainable; references Scunny's situation as something to avoid
- Asks for some patience and realism
- New head of recruitment should improve decision making on transfers
- Wants to be transparent but can't reveal exact budget or how we compare to other clubs (for obvious reasons); we're definitely not the highest or lowest spenders
- Funds available in January; will "move the playing side along" if there is an "opportunity"
- There's a shortage of strikers across the division; don't want to break wage structure
Staff turnover concerns- "Just not true" that the club are forcing people out
- JS and AP are ambitious and want to improve the organisation; "some people won't make it on that journey"; "change is natural"
- "Our track record: we're professional and we treat people well"
- Points out that there's currently a good mix of long-time and new employees at the club
Training ground- Nothing to report; negotiations with a land owner have stalled for now; club is still committed to the project
- Will "fundraise" for the project
Other topics- We're one of 28 clubs that signed a letter urging the government to create an independent football regulator
- Club has submitted audit for B-Corp application; the process might take another six months
- In favour of scrapping the 3pm blackout
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- 1600 fans completed the survey; results out next week
- Planning for a fans' forum before Christmas
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| Spidey |
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Thanks for pointing out the key points.
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| lew chaterleys lover |
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That's a tad disappointing.
Strikers are like hens teeth but we won't break the wage structure? They demand a premium and if we won't pay it we will be severely restricted.
The training base has stalled which also isn't good news.
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| MuddyWaters |
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That's a tad disappointing.
Strikers are like hens teeth but we won't break the wage structure? They demand a premium and if we won't pay it we will be severely restricted.
The training base has stalled which also isn't good news.
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| GtfcGarner |
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Strikers do cost a premium but so does the National League if you don't fail to pay the price.
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| lew chaterleys lover |
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Listened to the interview live and, possibly for the first time, was less enthused by what I heard.
We all want the best for the club, and we can all see the reasoning behind what they are doing. The determination to harness the club and the area to create a community asset which will be the jewel in Grimsby's crown. However, I thought they would have access to a rich vein of investment. We are not going to get anywhere without serious financial investment. That is just a fact in professional football today. |
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| Madeleymariner |
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I think they are just finding it harder to get things done than they anticipated and will be learning all the time.
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| ska face |
| November 24, 2022, 9:04pm |
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Think it just completely backs up his point about wanting patience and realism that, within an hour, people are losing their minds about them not breaking their wage structure (not that they know what it is) for an as-yet-unidentified striker.
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Think it just completely backs up his point about wanting patience and realism that, within an hour, people are losing their minds about them not breaking their wage structure (not that they know what it is) for an as-yet-unidentified striker.
Instead of having Ryan Taylor less than 10 goals in the national league last year, Dani who had a barron spell at Boreham Wood and two loanees. Really pushing the boat out to challenge. Go get two strikers that have hit 10 consistently in the league last year who looked decent: Luke Norris for an example. |
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| Madeleymariner |
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Think it just completely backs up his point about wanting patience and realism that, within an hour, people are losing their minds about them not breaking their wage structure (not that they know what it is) for an as-yet-unidentified striker.
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| ska face |
| November 24, 2022, 9:10pm |
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Instead of having Ryan Taylor less than 10 goals in the national league last year, Dani who had a barron spell at Boreham Wood and two loanees. Really pushing the boat out to challenges. Go get two strikers that have hit 10 consistently in the league last year who looked decent: Luke Norris for an example.
You should email that to the new head of recruitment, imagine that’s the kind of innovative idea lacking at the club. |
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| MuddyWaters |
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We all want the best for the club, and we can all see the reasoning behind what they are doing. The determination to harness the club and the area to create a community asset which will be the jewel in Grimsby's crown.
However, I thought they would have access to a rich vein of investment. We are not going to get anywhere without serious financial investment. That is just a fact in professional football today.
The reality is that, commercially as well as domestically, times are hard. Things have gone so well for 18 months that it’s difficult to see things stall such as the training ground and I was surprised to hear JS say that they were going to fundraise to fund it. I thought it strange that Matt Dean asked about back room staff leaving, JS wasn’t exactly likely to give out what is essentially confidential HR occurrences. Less surprising was the news that less people filled the Fan Survey in, it was unnecessarily long winded. I’m hopeful rather than confident that we invest in the striking department, there was an element of getting excuses in early in that part of the interview. All in all, I guess I’m a bit frustrated that we seem to have stalled a bit. |
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| marinerjase |
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There’s a risk the season falls flat , and interest wains. A lot of good things being done - but that’s not to say supporters will just keep attending. Momentum is key - has to be some thing to keep the fans who’ve ‘bought into’ the new regime - the transfer window in January is always risky. But it’s important also. Has to be signs of progress into next season and building forwards, losing McAtee and the other striker nearing career end means have to address that position - and if it costs so be it. Loanees won’t cut it imho.
Also think Saturdays game is important for the aforementioned reason- a cup tie in January keeps interest going.
*devils advocate - club in a better position but have to keep improving on the pitch, it’s as imperative as off it. Mistake made by last person at the helm was to take fans for granted and just assume they’d be there. It’s no secret that football fans can be brilliant, and loyal. But there’s a number who are also fickle, and what with cost of living etc plenty will be making decisions themselves in May/June..some might have to justify the expense of a season ticket, and whether it’s money we’ll spent.
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| lew chaterleys lover |
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Think it just completely backs up his point about wanting patience and realism that, within an hour, people are losing their minds about them not breaking their wage structure (not that they know what it is) for an as-yet-unidentified striker.
What would your solution be to bag an in demand striker that a lot of league 2 clubs will covet, bearing in mind they will not come for less money than others can offer? If we stick rigidly to a wage structure even for the most important player in any team we will continue to have a much reduced chance of getting what we need. Our income has been way above what they budgeted for and all I am asking is for some of that to be spent on a striker otherwise we will be disappointed again. |
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| ska face |
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You’ve got no idea what they’re supposedly rigidly sticking to, nor what players are getting paid. Just seems daft to me that the knee-jerk reaction is always “pay more money” rather than, say, Hurst being less picky and looking for a unicorn every transfer window.
You hear all the time about how every player needs to have the right attitude and help old ladies across the road and all the rest of it, problem is we’ve got a squad full of Boy Scouts. Maybe there’s value in players who are a bit harder to manage? Maybe look at a way of playing that isn’t so defensive?
We had Jamille Matt on loan for a year, he scored 4 goals. The next season he scored 20, then 6, then 17 and 20. Maybe he was junk for us because of the way we were playing?
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| aldi_01 |
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We all want the best for the club, and we can all see the reasoning behind what they are doing. The determination to harness the club and the area to create a community asset which will be the jewel in Grimsby's crown.
However, I thought they would have access to a rich vein of investment. We are not going to get anywhere without serious financial investment. That is just a fact in professional football today.
There’s a book that is well researched and well written which argues the very opposite. What it does say, however, is that clubs which triangulate a healthy and positive culture, with vale for money wages and realistic ambition tend to succeed. Spaffing cash on a striker isn’t prudent; he literally referenced a club that did just those things. Clubs with strikers know they’re currently a premium so players and clubs alike use that to their advantage. Not entirely sure what people wanted him to say. We’re obviously a year or two further on in the club’s strategic plan than expected. Just enjoy it, Christ, at least what he says is coherent, logical and not all about him… |
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| aldi_01 |
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Just throwing it out there…we literally smashed 9 goals against three teams that all spent considerably more than us, 11 if you count the two against Stockport and we left three behind.
It’s as if some cling to pessimism…
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| MuddyWaters |
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There’s a book that is well researched and well written which argues the very opposite. What it does say, however, is that clubs which triangulate a healthy and positive culture, with vale for money wages and realistic ambition tend to succeed.
Spaffing cash on a striker isn’t prudent; he literally referenced a club that did just those things. Clubs with strikers know they’re currently a premium so players and clubs alike use that to their advantage.
Not entirely sure what people wanted him to say. We’re obviously a year or two further on in the club’s strategic plan than expected.
Just enjoy it, Christ, at least what he says is coherent, logical and not all about him…
The counter argument is that Grimsby is not high on the list of football destinations for life hungry twenty somethings whether we’re well run or otherwise. Add that to the undoubted cost of living pressures there’ll be come ST renewal time, it would be sad to see momentum lost. |
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| jamesgtfc |
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We had Jamille Matt on loan for a year, he scored 4 goals. The next season he scored 20, then 6, then 17 and 20. Maybe he was junk for us because of the way we were playing?
I think Jamille Matt's record in recent years suggests we had a good player on our books. Kayden Jackson is an interesting one too. |
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| ska face |
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Exactly, and he came in relatively unfancied without any great fanfare after 3 league goals in 32 games for Blackpool. Not saying that relates to any of our players, but there will be players who, in the right system, can do well and may not need paying through the nose. We’ve spent most of the season playing a system built around 2 players who haven’t played a single minute together. Maybe that’s the big problem?
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| jamesgtfc |
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Exactly, and he came in relatively unfancied without any great fanfare after 3 league goals in 32 games for Blackpool. Not saying that relates to any of our players, but there will be players who, in the right system, can do well and may not need paying through the nose. We’ve spent most of the season playing a system built around 2 players who haven’t played a single minute together. Maybe that’s the big problem?
37 goal Padraig Amond wasn't exactly a free scoring striker when he arrived here either. |
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| moosey_club |
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An overall plan to a healthy sustainable future is key....however that doesn't mean that news we won't be pushing ...or even nudging the boat out a little on a striker is still disappointing in the short term.
Mid term if we don't sign a permanent deal striker in Jan then come the summer we would likely to be needing to sign two first team strikers with Mcatee gone and Taylor fading/ gone ....if its hard to find one then how hard will it be to find two?
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| easypeersy |
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Being a supporter of Grimsby Town is the most frustrating part of my life.
95% disappointment yearning for that 5% of glory.
That glory happened at the end of last season but boy was it worth it!
With our new owners at least we are in a better position than beforehand.
Come on Mighty Mariners let’s have a better percentage of glory 😍
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Is JS really going to come out and say they’ll spend more money on a striker than anticipated to get one? If he did the pound signs would be ringing up in the eyes of the agents.
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| jamesgtfc |
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Is JS really going to come out and say they’ll spend more money on a striker than anticipated to get one? If he did the pound signs would be ringing up in the eyes of the agents.
The same applies to the staff turnover question. I think Sam will be sorely missed. The Commercial Manager job advert ends tomorrow and I've seen Debbie and Jo plug it on LinkedIn and GI Media giving it a push on Facebook so I do wonder if we are struggling for decent applicants. |
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| aussiej |
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Basically means more of the same... So if you can live with that its ok but if you have any ambition to progress the team it will be a longshot which may come about from cup revenue or transfer revenue if we are lucky... Not impressed at all...
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| Knut Anders Fosters Voles |
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There’s a book that is well researched and well written which argues the very opposite. What it does say, however, is that clubs which triangulate a healthy and positive culture, with vale for money wages and realistic ambition tend to succeed.
Spaffing cash on a striker isn’t prudent; he literally referenced a club that did just those things. Clubs with strikers know they’re currently a premium so players and clubs alike use that to their advantage.
Not entirely sure what people wanted him to say. We’re obviously a year or two further on in the club’s strategic plan than expected.
Just enjoy it, Christ, at least what he says is coherent, logical and not all about him…
This post is like finding a nugget of sweetcorn in a festering sea of shït (I’ve only got to page 2 so apologies for anyone who posted something sensible and realistic after that). Lovely stuff Sig. |
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| lukeo |
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I honestly believe if Hurst doesn't tinker and sticks with kiernan uptop with mcatee behind these two could score few between them
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8 teams have scored less than us and 3 teams have scored the same amount, puts us around mid table.
17 have conceded more than us and 1 the same (joint 6th best record).
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This post is like finding a nugget of sweetcorn in a festering sea of shït (I’ve only got to page 2 so apologies for anyone who posted something sensible and realistic after that). Lovely stuff Sig.
I often wonder if people are just a bit dim. The minute a club owner/chairman come out and says what the budget is or gives a roundabout figure, you get exploited. It happened to Lincoln. Scunny splashed cash, it screwed them. Wrexham, for example, pay premium for bang average players and so far it has taken them absolutely no where. There seems an incessant need to know everything simply because way back when they took over they talked about transparency. That’s great but don’t give away your secrets. There seems an incessant need to moan or pick fault. Christ, we’ve got a thread comparing this time around to 2016. Who cares? We’re in the football league and we’re comfortable. Significantly, the club is further on and is progressing and the team is. You’d forget that teams have a bad spell. We played a team that’s spent most of the season in the top three and if it wasn’t for a urine poor penalty, we’d have beaten them…they were bang average. Surely you take the positives? Isn’t it nice to get an update from the club at a reasonable time? Not 21:30 on a Sunday, Merlot sodden and incoherent and only just in English? Isn’t it refreshing to have an update about the club that isn’t a woe is me tirade of cliches and idioms that make zero sense? So odd… |
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Strikers do cost a premium but so does the National League if you don't fail to pay the price.
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| pontoonlew |
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I don’t have an issue with not breaking the budget for a striker etc, we need to be realistic.
The bit I didn’t like was the quote ‘fabled 20 goal striker’. Firstly, the delivery of it sounds defeatist and secondly, as many of us have said, we don’t expect a 20 goal striker, we just expect better than the level we currently have with the amount of time we’ve wasted trying to find one.
The majority of us are realistic, you might get a ‘big name’ in and they flop or you might pluck an absolute gem from Non League who smashes them in. I accept there’s a risk attached and a level of uncertainty to any signing, but to not even get close to one in 4 windows is an abject failure in my eyes.
I know Hurst has always said he wants ‘good characters’ but that isn’t securing us what we want. On top of that, we also signed Stefan flipping Payne on that basis.
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There seems an incessant need to know everything simply because way back when they took over they talked about transparency. That’s great but don’t give away your secrets. There seems an incessant need to moan or pick fault.
Commercially confidential information and transparency are totally different things. A full set of accounts is transparent given that we don't need to do them anymore but not disclosing our transfer budget or preferred training ground location right now would be foolish, that information is commercially sensitive. Someone remind me where full transparency about relocation has got us over the last however many years? |
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| lew chaterleys lover |
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Basically means more of the same... So if you can live with that its ok but if you have any ambition to progress the team it will be a longshot which may come about from cup revenue or transfer revenue if we are lucky... Not impressed at all...
Exactly. Somebody mentioned Wrexham as an example but rest assured they will soon be leaving us in their wake. Fans and potential fans, whilst agreeing with the principal of a well run club with decent values, want ambition and the best players possible. Record season ticket sales and basically full home ends should mean we are able to compete for sought after players in league 2. The owners said they didn't just want to make the numbers up in league 2 but that is exactly what we will do unless we accept the reality of wages even in league 2. The wages apparently in league 1 are on another level again if we have ambitions to get there. Where is the investment into the club ? They have said more than once they have been offered investment but don't need it yet. The minute people keep repeating we are now in a better place, it could be a lot worse is the moment you start treading water. |
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I don’t have an issue with not breaking the budget for a striker etc, we need to be realistic.
The bit I didn’t like was the quote ‘fabled 20 goal striker’. Firstly, the delivery of it sounds defeatist and secondly, as many of us have said, we don’t expect a 20 goal striker, we just expect better than the level we currently have with the amount of time we’ve wasted trying to find one.
The majority of us are realistic, you might get a ‘big name’ in and they flop or you might pluck an absolute gem from Non League who smashes them in. I accept there’s a risk attached and a level of uncertainty to any signing, but to not even get close to one in 4 windows is an abject failure in my eyes.
I know Hurst has always said he wants ‘good characters’ but that isn’t securing us what we want. On top of that, we also signed Stefan flipping Payne on that basis.
Let’s face it, very few of the permanent summer signings have made a significant impact. Glennon is the only one who has held down a starting spot and it’s not clear whether he’s an improvement on Amos. Khan is in and out of the team and has only made Harry available to play elsewhere. Beyond that, Maher, Green and Orsi have made relatively few starts and you suspect Morris is starting because he’s a Hurst player of old. |
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Khan has started 8 out of 9 league games since making his debut as a sub v Swindon.
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I was surprised that there were no questions re the ground and criticism of how ticket sales have been managed re opening of sections in the Osmond but that is aimed at Matt Dean rather than JS.
Off the pitch I am pretty sure in previous interviews JS has said other possible investors had approached the club but it either wasn’t the right time or they weren’t the right characters. Clearly we want to avoid an Alex May type character but having to look at fund raise for the new training ground suggests securing other credible investors would help the club move forward.
On the pitch I am, like the majority of our supporters, more than disappointed with our home form and as yet have not been convinced by any of permanent summer signings albeit Glennon should prove to be an asset and has played pretty well most of the time. However, we continually fail to control matches at home and to me this goes back to the quality of our midfield who are all ok but nothing special at L2 level. In all honesty wouldn’t be upset if any of these midfielders players moved on in January which demonstrates how I rate them.
As for up front we all crave a goal scoring striker but I would also be pleased to get in a physical specimen capable of ruffling a few feathers and holding the ball up thus allowing players to get forward without the constant fear the ball will be lost and like Saturday the opposition go the full length of the pitch and score.
We have a fantastic away following but obviously the bulk of fans are at the home games and to help maintain and drive on with the feel good factor we really need to improve the quality of our performances in home games. Obviously easier said than done but that’s the challenge for PH and the coaches.
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Let’s face it, very few of the permanent summer signings have made a significant impact. Glennon is the only one who has held down a starting spot and it’s not clear whether he’s an improvement on Amos. Khan is in and out of the team and has only made Harry available to play elsewhere. Beyond that, Maher, Green and Orsi have made relatively few starts and you suspect Morris is starting because he’s a Hurst player of old.
Most of them have had injury spells too. Orsi will get sharper with more games although he relies on passes to feet rather than hoof ball. I would suggest that Maher is the best of the bunch. Almost as quick as Smith and a good talker. Makes sensible decisions and feeds passes to midfield rather than long diagonals. Khan unfairly cast aside for inexperienced loanees. |
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I’ve seen enough of Green & Maher to know they’re both good signings, Glennon and Khan have looked good too.
I’m also a big fan of Richardson, whilst it’s been in flashes I think he’s one of the only players capable of really frightening defenders.
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If we'd had this conversation a month ago, we'd probably all be saying Morris had been the pick of the signings. He's gone through a lull these last 2-3 games, no doubt he'll get back to something like. Green will be an excellent signing in time, he needs a run of games in a certain role, thought he was excellent at Stockport for example and our best midfielder last week.
Khan's got something about him, Kiernan has done alright (although I'm not entirely sure what we've gained by releasing Sousa and signing him on loan, unless he's a stop gap as Hursty has someone lined up in Jan). Glennon's a good player but we all knew that anyway and the more I see of Maher the more I wonder how long Smith stays in the team, given Maher is our player. Hunt has flattered to deceive since his return.
Richardson is the only one of the young loanees who looks up to it to me. It was a decent window, given the rest of the League had a month's head start on us and 'former non-league Grimsby' still isn't that attractive a prospect.
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Most of them have had injury spells too. Orsi will get sharper with more games although he relies on passes to feet rather than hoof ball.
I would suggest that Maher is the best of the bunch. Almost as quick as Smith and a good talker. Makes sensible decisions and feeds passes to midfield rather than long diagonals. Khan unfairly cast aside for inexperienced loanees.
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Didn't take long did it? 18 months after we all got what we wanted with new local owners, the grumbling starts because we aren't running away with the league. We've had a promotion and rapidly expanded our fan base in that time. This season is about stabilizing and improvement.
I'm quite sanguine about where we are, playing Bradford instead of Bromley; Doncaster instead of Dorking and I think we all need to chill and see where we are after the window and at the end of the season.
I'm sure everyone is working hard to unearth some better players and it's not long to the new year now.
I'm as p1ssed off as the next fan at our lack of goals and home form but PH has shown more than once that he sorts the team out given time and gets us going in the right direction.
He has got us promoted twice from probably the hardest league to get promoted from, so for me, he has the leeway to carry on building something.
Same with the owners who have shown that they know how to run successful organisations and given all the problems they inherited, they can't sort every problem at a stroke. I have seen first hand the state the ground was in and all the work and expense that's been poured into it. A lot of which has gone unnoticed by fans because it's not obvious.
I think it's good they are thinking long term stability and not quick glory by shovelling money into the playing squad.
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Didn't take long did it? 18 months after we all got what we wanted with new local owners, the grumbling starts because we aren't running away with the league. We've had a promotion and rapidly expanded our fan base in that time. This season is about stabilizing and improvement.
I'm quite sanguine about where we are, playing Bradford instead of Bromley; Doncaster instead of Dorking and I think we all need to chill and see where we are after the window and at the end of the season.
I'm sure everyone is working hard to unearth some better players and it's not long to the new year now.
I'm as p1ssed off as the next fan at our lack of goals and home form but PH has shown more than once that he sorts the team out given time and gets us going in the right direction.
He has got us promoted twice from probably the hardest league to get promoted from, so for me, he has the leeway to carry on building something.
Same with the owners who have shown that they know how to run successful organisations and given all the problems they inherited, they can't sort every problem at a stroke. I have seen first hand the state the ground was in and all the work and expense that's been poured into it. A lot of which has gone unnoticed by fans because it's not obvious.
I think it's good they are thinking long term stability and not quick glory by shovelling money into the playing squad.
Apart from 1-2, I haven’t really seen anybody moaning about the owners or even really the season so far. Many of the points are really valid and pretty well reasoned (kind of the point of a message board). There’s certainly nobody moaning about us not ‘running away with the league’. |
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I think we've been slightly unfortunate in most regards. The pre-season was unavoidably too short because of the timings of the play-offs at the end of the last season so nothing much could be done about that. Then, many of our new signings immediately picked up injuries so weren't available at the start of the season and have been struggling to get properly fit given the lack of game time. Maher, Green and Khan were some of the main transfer targets for Hurst and haven't been available until recently. Then McAtee got crocked in the first minutes of the season. I suppose the only thing which went for us is that we were lucky Taylor remained fit for the first few months because the lack of depth in that area is now stark.
We definitely need to be doing a bit better and less chopping and changing in midfield would help us settle, but without a settled forward line, I suspect we'll continue to see Hurst continue to move players in and out on a game by game basis.
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Apart from 1-2, I haven’t really seen anybody moaning about the owners or even really the season so far. Many of the points are really valid and pretty well reasoned (kind of the point of a message board). There’s certainly nobody moaning about us not ‘running away with the league’.
Moaning, making a point, having an opinion, whatever you want to call it, there are more than 1 or 2 having a pop on here and certainly at the ground. Fans around me at BP are constantly saying how sh1t this player is and that player is, some of them absolutely apoplectic with rage at the Donny game and even worse, if that's possible, against Stevenage. One of the things I keep hearing is how sh1t the opposition are and we should be beating them easily at home. |
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Moaning, making a point, having an opinion, whatever you want to call it, there are more than 1 or 2 having a pop on here and certainly at the ground. Fans around me at BP are constantly saying how sh1t this player is and that player is, some of them absolutely apoplectic with rage at the Donny game and even worse, if that's possible, against Stevenage.
One of the things I keep hearing is how sh1t the opposition are and we should be beating them easily at home.
Well that is plain daft if they are saying that. For a change of scenery I watched the Plymouth game in the Upper and it was very toxic in the area I was in I must say. On here though we are just discussing the latest Stockwood statement which to some of us is a little underwhelming, whilst acknowledging the great work done so far. |
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Well that is plain daft if they are saying that. For a change of scenery I watched the Plymouth game in the Upper and it was very toxic in the area I was in I must say.
On here though we are just discussing the latest Stockwood statement which to some of us is a little underwhelming, whilst acknowledging the great work done so far.
Yeah, I appreciate some posters are a bit underwhelmed and are using the forum to voice their concerns. No problem at all with that and most posters are measured in their comments as yourself and Pontoonlew are saying, but there seems to be an undercurrent of opinion that's leaning more toward outright criticism, especially at the ground. Feels a bit like the honeymoon is over for some and they want more than is on offer currently. I'm quite happy where we are but my brother is not so happy, so I realise there are a range of opinions from the fanbase. We're all Town at the end of the day. |
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Yeah, I appreciate some posters are a bit underwhelmed and are using the forum to voice their concerns. No problem at all with that and most posters are measured in their comments as yourself and Pontoonlew are saying, but there seems to be an undercurrent of opinion that's leaning more toward outright criticism, especially at the ground.
Feels a bit like the honeymoon is over for some and they want more than is on offer currently. I'm quite happy where we are but my brother is not so happy, so I realise there are a range of opinions from the fanbase.
We're all Town at the end of the day.
Wasn’t last night an attempt to dampen down expectations? It certainly did that for me, I don’t expect us to splash the cash on a much needed striker, I don’t expect the training ground any time soon and I expect that more money will be spent on ‘infrastructure’. |
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I often wonder if people are just a bit dim. The minute a club owner/chairman come out and says what the budget is or gives a roundabout figure, you get exploited. It happened to Lincoln. Scunny splashed cash, it screwed them. Wrexham, for example, pay premium for bang average players and so far it has taken them absolutely no where.
There seems an incessant need to know everything simply because way back when they took over they talked about transparency. That’s great but don’t give away your secrets. There seems an incessant need to moan or pick fault.
Christ, we’ve got a thread comparing this time around to 2016. Who cares? We’re in the football league and we’re comfortable. Significantly, the club is further on and is progressing and the team is. You’d forget that teams have a bad spell. We played a team that’s spent most of the season in the top three and if it wasn’t for a urine poor penalty, we’d have beaten them…they were bang average.
Surely you take the positives? Isn’t it nice to get an update from the club at a reasonable time? Not 21:30 on a Sunday, Merlot sodden and incoherent and only just in English? Isn’t it refreshing to have an update about the club that isn’t a woe is me tirade of cliches and idioms that make zero sense?
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Wasn’t last night an attempt to dampen down expectations? It certainly did that for me, I don’t expect us to splash the cash on a much needed striker, I don’t expect the training ground any time soon and I expect that more money will be spent on ‘infrastructure’.
I think that very much depends on what your expectations are versus what the boards expectations are. They will have a plan that some will be happy to see and some won't. It's not like they have promised the earth, then failed to deliver. I think they have very much talked stability and steady growth since day one. I'm ok with the progress, others including yourself and my brother aren't as much, and that's fine. All about opinions. |
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I think that very much depends on what your expectations are versus what the boards expectations are.
They will have a plan that some will be happy to see and some won't. It's not like they have promised the earth, then failed to deliver. I think they have very much talked stability and steady growth since day one.
I'm ok with the progress, others including yourself and my brother aren't as much, and that's fine. All about opinions.
Clearly you know more about the problems with BP than most of us and I accept that certain standards need to be reached but money spent on the ground is effectively money wasted on a stadium that isn't fit for purpose. Given the season ticket sales and 'sold out' attendances, I expected us to have better - not worse - striking options this season than we did last. |
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I can't see what the moaning is all about. The previous regime had about 17 years which took us on a basically downward spiral, albeit for a couple of years. BP had little investment in it since the Youngs Stand was built, likewise at Cheapside.
In 18 months with 1878 we have moved up a division, a plan for a new training ground while upgrading Cheapside, maintenance work at BP and are putting solid backroom staff into place. They are 2 very good businessmen who now own the club and have financial planning to put and keep the club in good standing.
So 17 years of very little happening or 18 months of investment and a rosie future. I said in June L1 this year and we are not in a bad place in the league to push on, with the right signings in January.
Who knows where the club will be in 17 years' time, a yo-yo probably between the Championship and L1.
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Moaning, making a point, having an opinion, whatever you want to call it
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I have not made any comments so far because I am unable. to get to any games but thought it would be a difficult season to get to the play offs two seasons running.
I predicted 10th would be a good season and still think we will be around about that area.
I can not understand our home form however but if we can find that illusive striker we will improve our home wins ratio and please our great fans.
In the hands of Stockwood and Pettit we are well run club and rewards should arrive given time.
Hurst has proved he can find decent players in all positions but if they are not there what can he do ?
Let's keep the positivity up and keep backing the players and staff because I have never seen anybody in life improve if everybody is telling them they are useless.
Well not everybody but they are the ones who shout the loudest.
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Must also add that I’m stunned JS is in favour of a 3pm blackout lift
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Must also add that I’m stunned JS is in favour of a 3pm blackout lift
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I looked up the definition of football supporter ,
countable noun [usually noun NOUN] If you are a fan of someone or something, especially a famous person or a sport, you like them very much and are very interested in them.
I’m not sure this applies to some posters on this board who’d just moan at anything.
I don’t like it but we’re a small club in a small town with owners who have ambition to do things the right way, which in football takes time.
The attitude of entitlement on here at times makes some intelligent posters look like complete spanner’s.
AP & JS might not be mortgaging their homes to buy players which at times it feels like people expect them to but they in one way shape or form are the ones taking some risk and giving up their valuable personal time to make sure every “supporter” has a half decent football club to follow. They should be afforded some respect and a bit of time for that.
The other news off the press is that the moaners on here don’t represent the majority of the supporter base despite the fact they believe they do.
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Who knows where the club will be in 17 years' time, a yo-yo probably between the Championship and L1.
If we can't find the money to sign a striker who scores in l2, how on earth are we going to get one that gets us at the top of L1? There's hardly any more TV money and we're not going to get much extra on the gate |
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I looked up the definition of football supporter ,
countable noun [usually noun NOUN] If you are a fan of someone or something, especially a famous person or a sport, you like them very much and are very interested in them.
I’m not sure this applies to some posters on this board who’d just moan at anything.
I don’t like it but we’re a small club in a small town with owners who have ambition to do things the right way, which in football takes time.
The attitude of entitlement on here at times makes some intelligent posters look like complete spanner’s.
AP & JS might not be mortgaging their homes to buy players which at times it feels like people expect them to but they in one way shape or form are the ones taking some risk and giving up their valuable personal time to make sure every “supporter” has a half decent football club to follow. They should be afforded some respect and a bit of time for that.
The other news off the press is that the moaners on here don’t represent the majority of the supporter base despite the fact they believe they do.
Actually, true supporters have followed the club for years back to the days when they first went to BP, for me back to the days of Paddy Hamilton. Surely a supporter of a football club wants them to be the best they can be? I want to see progress on and off the pitch but on field results are the key to higher attendances and more revenue. That’s why winning games matters. |
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Actually, true supporters have followed the club for years back to the days when they first went to BP, for me back to the days of Paddy Hamilton.
Surely a supporter of a football club wants them to be the best they can be? I want to see progress on and off the pitch but on field results are the key to higher attendances and more revenue. That’s why winning games matters.
Should I suspect that you're insinuating that I'm not a "true supporter" as that's not the first time you've referenced this when you've not agreed with something I've said. There's loads of "true supporters" who weren't born when Paddy was the chairman with a board of Peter Sheffield, Richard Middleton, Tom Bygott etc.. etc..but things where better then, so much so the supporters had to club together to but one of the clubs true legends Joe Waters. |
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Should I suspect that you're insinuating that I'm not a "true supporter" as that's not the first time you've referenced this when you've not agreed with something I've said.
There's loads of "true supporters" who weren't born when Paddy was the chairman with a board of Peter Sheffield, Richard Middleton, Tom Bygott etc.. etc..but things where better then, so much so the supporters had to club together to but one of the clubs true legends Joe Waters.
I’m not sure how you work that out. I’m saying that football supporters will moan and can moan at whatever they like as they’re emotionally invested in their club. Doesn’t matter whether they started watching in the 60s or last week. Not everyone shares the same opinion nor should they. |
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I’m not sure how you work that out.
I’m saying that football supporters will moan and can moan at whatever they like as they’re emotionally invested in their club. Doesn’t matter whether they started watching in the 60s or last week. Not everyone shares the same opinion nor should they.
I get it now and don't disagree. |
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I looked up the definition of football supporter ,
countable noun [usually noun NOUN] If you are a fan of someone or something, especially a famous person or a sport, you like them very much and are very interested in them.
I’m not sure this applies to some posters on this board who’d just moan at anything.
I don’t like it but we’re a small club in a small town with owners who have ambition to do things the right way, which in football takes time.
The attitude of entitlement on here at times makes some intelligent posters look like complete spanner’s.
AP & JS might not be mortgaging their homes to buy players which at times it feels like people expect them to but they in one way shape or form are the ones taking some risk and giving up their valuable personal time to make sure every “supporter” has a half decent football club to follow. They should be afforded some respect and a bit of time for that.
The other news off the press is that the moaners on here don’t represent the majority of the supporter base despite the fact they believe they do.
I'm not expecting the two owners to put millions in but they do seem to be spending quite a bit on backroom staff when no matter how good those staff are if we fail on the pitch then some fans will surely walk away. According to an earlier post we are investing in another commercial manager when we already have one or was that lady the one he was referring to. Surely with their business connections they could bring be bringing in some commercial funding. |
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I'm not expecting the two owners to put millions in but they do seem to be spending quite a bit on backroom staff when no matter how good those staff are if we fail on the pitch then some fans will surely walk away.
According to an earlier post we are investing in another commercial manager when we already have one or was that lady the one he was referring to.
Surely with their business connections they could bring be bringing in some commercial funding.
She’s the Head of Commercial. The Commercial Manager is to replace Dave Smith |
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Since he’s took over the clubs been on an upwards trajectory so let’s give him a bit more time ffs . As soon as we get a 20 goal striker they’ll be signed by someone anyway so it’s a fooking shi.te show we’re in anyway.
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She’s the Head of Commercial. The Commercial Manager is to replace Dave Smith
Does a club our size need 2 commercial managers? |
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Does a club our size need 2 commercial managers?
Yes, because the one we have doesn't respond to emails. |
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Yes, because the one we have doesn't respond to emails.
No wonder Dave Smith left😉 |
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People who seem to be a bit upset about the fact we’re “fundraising” for the training ground should listen to the actual interview - he was talking about grants etc that they are legible to apply for. Which is completely normal and better than using the clubs or their own money, surely? Seen some posts suggesting none of our midfielders are good enough, a month or so ago plenty were saying we had the best midfield in the league  Khan has pretty much been ever present since returning from injury yet some wondering why he can’t get a game. Christ. Football eh. |
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People who seem to be a bit upset about the fact we’re “fundraising” for the training ground should listen to the actual interview - he was talking about grants etc that they are legible to apply for. Which is completely normal and better than using the clubs or their own money, surely? Seen some posts suggesting none of our midfielders are good enough, a month or so ago plenty were saying we had the best midfield in the league Khan has pretty much been ever present since returning from injury yet some wondering why he can’t get a game. Christ. Football eh.
He talks about both. There should be grants available and it's easier to fundraise when there's a physical asset with value attached for investors. I have no idea why it's a problem, they're clearly not putting huge amounts of money in and that's their choice. Probably find a better investor than Alex May out there somewhere, but it'd be nice if we could actually admit a new stadium is needed as was put in all the papers before they took over. |
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We should be asking ourselves whether we would still wish to be under the control of the previous owner or the new owners. We would all say the latter.
Jason and Andrew need time. They are both intelligent, gifted guys with the right values. We have had several years of hell and now I think the club is on much firmer ground, but Rome wasn’t built in a day. UTM
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I wonder if, after all those years of absolute flipping shite and nonsense from fenty, fans are so pre programmed to find fault and pick fault that we warp what has been said.
Surely nobody assumes that when he said ‘fund raise’ for a new training ground people didn’t mean a flipping blue Peter being and buy sale? Shakey buckets at the Tranmere game?
It’s interesting that some still can’t see that balancing the club on and off the pitch is necessary in equal measure in the modern game. I’m sure they’ve also accounted for some fans walking away, there’s always a section that are likely to do it at every club, I’d argue they’re the ones that’s not ‘real fans’…
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About time some woke up and smelt the coffee. Most football fans are not driven to watch a game because the toilets smell nice and are a lovely colour . or that the beer is good and the pies are yummy .Its very nice if these are right , But they go to watch their team and to see them win . Now football is a business and it has to sell a product that product is a winning team . without a winning team it is normal and human to just fade away and do something different . This will soon happen if they dont invest in a few better players like a trusted striker . I dont expect them to sell their family savings to get plyers but we have had some good fortune with ticket sales , player sales cup winnings etc so i would expect some of that put to what was there already to be invested in the team this window. So as i said you need the product as right as you can before people walk and they will
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Stockwood and Pettit have been here 1.5 seasons.
Season 1 - promotion
Season 2 - well on for a mid-table League Two finish and a fantastic FA Cup run.
This represents a winning team in my eyes. Add to this all of the positive changes off the pitch and these guys are smashing it.
There is literally nothing anyone can do to capture the few “fans” that believe we have to be winning every week in order to maintain their custom. That’s not how football works.
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About time some woke up and smelt the coffee. Most football fans are not driven to watch a game because the toilets smell nice and are a lovely colour . or that the beer is good and the pies are yummy .Its very nice if these are right , But they go to watch their team and to see them win . Now football is a business and it has to sell a product that product is a winning team . without a winning team it is normal and human to just fade away and do something different . This will soon happen if they dont invest in a few better players like a trusted striker . I dont expect them to sell their family savings to get plyers but we have had some good fortune with ticket sales , player sales cup winnings etc so i would expect some of that put to what was there already to be invested in the team this window. So as i said you need the product as right as you can before people walk and they will
How do you work that out then when we were averaging about as many now as we were when we finished 11th in the Championship with 2300 in the Osmond every other week.
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Stockwood and Pettit have been here 1.5 seasons.
Season 1 - promotion
Season 2 - well on for a mid-table League Two finish and a fantastic FA Cup run.
This represents a winning team in my eyes. Add to this all of the positive changes off the pitch and these guys are smashing it.
There is literally nothing anyone can do to capture the few “fans” that believe we have to be winning every week in order to maintain their custom. That’s not how football works.
Achieved more in 18 months than the previous idiot did in nigh on 20 years, and we had an awful run mid season last year too… |
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Stockwood and Pettit have been here 1.5 seasons.
Season 1 - promotion
Season 2 - well on for a mid-table League Two finish and a fantastic FA Cup run.
This represents a winning team in my eyes. Add to this all of the positive changes off the pitch and these guys are smashing it.
There is literally nothing anyone can do to capture the few “fans” that believe we have to be winning every week in order to maintain their custom. That’s not how football works.
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How do you work that out then when we were averaging about as many now as we were when we finished 11th in the Championship with 2300 in the Osmond every other week.
Think i may be right here if not i am sure you will put me right ,, Did we not spend money we did not have ie ITV didital and that came back to bite us hard on the rear end .. I did not for one minute sugest that we spend what we dont have . Only that we have had some fortune and some should be invested in the team to keep us progressing on the pitch, Not like last time and penny pinch as we all know how that ended |
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It would be quite nice to have a decent, fit striker that belongs to us though 😉
Of course. I can see the bigger picture though and am happy with where we are, which is about where we should be. I am grateful for all the decent, fit players that do belong to us and am certain we will continue to add to that as time passes. If we exceed expectations then fantastic. If we meet them then great. I wont be concerned until we are dipping below the standard we expect and right now we’re not. |
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Of course. I can see the bigger picture though and am happy with where we are, which is about where we should be. I am grateful for all the decent, fit players that do belong to us and am certain we will continue to add to that as time passes.
If we exceed expectations then fantastic. If we meet them then great. I wont be concerned until we are dipping below the standard we expect and right now we’re not.
This obsession with players ‘belonging to us’ seems a relic of yesteryear. Plenty of teams get promoted with a fair number of talented and ambitious loan players. When you’ve got championship and top flight clubs hoovering up players and sticking them on 10k a week people need to realise that those desirable players are unlikely to want to sign a contract here when then can come on loan and still line their pockets… The obsession with a 20 goal a season striker isn’t healthy either, almost every club is looking for one and with that comes a premium price from the clubs looking to sell. In my life time as a town fan I reckon we’ve had 3, maybe 4…and one of them only scored for about a third of the season… I’m well happy with where we are as a team and a club, naturally I’m ambitious but pragmatism amd sense are needed, the club was in a significantly worse state than most imagined… |
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Of course. I can see the bigger picture though and am happy with where we are, which is about where we should be. I am grateful for all the decent, fit players that do belong to us and am certain we will continue to add to that as time passes.
If we exceed expectations then fantastic. If we meet them then great. I wont be concerned until we are dipping below the standard we expect and right now we’re not.
I'd say one home league win in nine is dipping well below the standard we expect. |
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I don't understand how anyone can red cross some of the comments above.
1.5 years.
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3rd round of the FA Cup.
Mid table in League 2.
The only negative is the lack of a proven striker. But they're not as easy as you think to come by. Not every team will have one. Let's just see what happens in January. I personally think if we regularly play Clifton, mcatee, kiernan and Khan we can always create chances with our pace and skill.
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I don't understand how anyone can red cross some of the comments above.
1.5 years.
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3rd round of the FA Cup.
Mid table in League 2.
The only negative is the lack of a proven striker. But they're not as easy as you think to come by. Not every team will have one. Let's just see what happens in January. I personally think if we regularly play Clifton, mcatee, kiernan and Khan we can always create chances with our pace and skill.
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I don't understand how anyone can red cross some of the comments above.
1.5 years.
1 promotion.
3rd round of the FA Cup.
Mid table in League 2.
The only negative is the lack of a proven striker. But they're not as easy as you think to come by. Not every team will have one. Let's just see what happens in January. I personally think if we regularly play Clifton, mcatee, kiernan and Khan we can always create chances with our pace and skill.
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Think i may be right here if not i am sure you will put me right ,, Did we not spend money we did not have ie ITV didital and that came back to bite us hard on the rear end .. I did not for one minute sugest that we spend what we dont have . Only that we have had some fortune and some should be invested in the team to keep us progressing on the pitch, Not like last time and penny pinch as we all know how that ended
Think Stockwood & Pettit, and Hurst, have all said the money’s there if needed but Hurst is always reluctant to bring anyone in unless they tick every box, have a great attitude & shít gold. Don’t think it’s a case of penny pinching, and you can’t say money isn’t being spent then complain about it being spent in the wrong areas in the next breath. |
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A mere 2 pages on the just back thread after a great win against a team a division above just confirms everything we already knew about Grimbarians anyway. We flipping love to moan and get way more enjoyment out of that than having a nice time. Whoever is in charge is always gonna have a rough ride |
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A mere 2 pages on the just back thread after a great win against a team a division above just confirms everything we already knew about Grimbarians anyway. We flipping love to moan and get way more enjoyment out of that than having a nice time. Whoever is in charge is always gonna have a rough ride
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Do you think that might have something to do with the fact that most of us weren’t there?
This doesn’t apply and isn’t aimed at you but the majority of people who moan on here after any Town defeat have neither attended the game, watched the match online or viewed any football game without access to a gurney and several bags of Vicodin. |
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This doesn’t apply and isn’t aimed at you but the majority of people who moan on here after any Town defeat have neither attended the game, watched the match online or viewed any football game without access to a gurney and several bags of Vicodin.
It’s a fair point. Because we’re a family group of four ST holders, away days are rare and I only comment on what I’ve seen. |
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Is this thread for real?
Has anyone who has been awake for last 18 months and got at least half a brain really got a problem with our progress?
We have already made over £100,000 in our fa cup run. A good draw could be life changing for the club.
Fingers crossed and get behind the players directors and staff?
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Is this thread for real?
Has anyone who has been awake for last 18 months and got at least half a brain really got a problem with our progress?
We have already made over £100,000 in our fa cup run. A good draw could be life changing for the club.
Fingers crossed and get behind the players directors and staff?
£67000 is the prize for 2nd round winners. |
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£67000 is the prize for 2nd round winners.
Don't forget 41k for first round winners aswell, so I make that 108k in prize money so far |
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£67000 is the prize for 2nd round winners.
Come on Codger. Get your facts relevant if you are going to disagree….. |
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Don't forget 41k for first round winners aswell, so I make that 108k in prize money so far
Plus gate receipts. Won't be a massive amount but it's all extra dosh. Even if we lose the next game, it will have brought in £150,000 plus, depending on who we get. Could be a lot more. |
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Do you think that might have something to do with the fact that most of us weren’t there?
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Don't forget 41k for first round winners aswell, so I make that 108k in prize money so far
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Yep. My misunderstanding. Didn’t realise you got paid every round.
Made £35000 in Papa John's as well. Then there is 45% of overall gates Papa John's and fa cup at about 14000 in total . |
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Didn't the wimps make a shed load of money from two good cup runs, and build their academy with it?
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Exeter were a noted one the other year. Managed to draw against Manyoo and then cashed in from the replay. I seem to think it paid off the club debts and gave them a nest egg to begin the redevelopment of their ground?
A long time since I can remember us having a good Cup run so it would be nice if we could get a lucrative tie. Might be worth signing strikers right at the beginning of January if it looks as though we're going to be getting a lot of money coming in, though that would probably be factored into any negotiations before they start!
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Exeter were a noted one the other year. Managed to draw against Manyoo and then cashed in from the replay. I seem to think it paid off the club debts and gave them a nest egg to begin the redevelopment of their ground?
A long time since I can remember us having a good Cup run so it would be nice if we could get a lucrative tie. Might be worth signing strikers right at the beginning of January if it looks as though we're going to be getting a lot of money coming in, though that would probably be factored into any negotiations before they start!
I'm not sure when the TV money rolls in or gate receipts from an away tie but FA Cup prize money is at the end of the season. Lincoln made £2m from their FA Cup run. They did benefit from a replay at home to Ipswich to swell the coffers a bit more. Palace in 2019 got obscure TV coverage so we only got peanuts. When you know it's coming in, you can account for that anyway. I've wondered if Saturdays result now means we are in the market for a number 9 that isn't cup tied. |
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Third round is played in January, so being cup tied won't be a problem, unless we draw one of the smaller teams and get through
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I know Hurst has always said he wants ‘good characters’ but that isn’t securing us what we want. On top of that, we also signed Stefan flipping Payne on that basis.
I think any judgement on the signing of Payne is a bit unfair, simply because we were just that flipping desperate. At the time it looked a decent signing, simply because we had absolutely intercourse all to play with. From memory our strikeforce prior to Hurst getting a go in the transfer window was the ever injured James Hanson, the ever ineffective/injured Matt Green and then the 3 clowns signed from the Dog & Duck by Holloway. Bringing in Lennell John Lewis, fresh out of the Conference North, was a major upgrade. The signing of Payne from the league above where he managed 4 goals in 11 starts the season before seemed, at the time, a flipping masterstroke. Our situation was compounded by the fact that Giles Coke, another signed from the Conf. North, was arguably our player of the season from his 14 starts. Pretty much everyone Hurst brought in that January (or slightly over) was an improvement on what we had, yet still not quite good enough. To my eyes Hurst needs to lower his expectations a little. We got Taylor, a player who does that role so well, because he's getting on a bit and his injury record is an ongoing concern. We got McAtee because he developed a bit of a reputation as a problem player at Scunthorpe. At this level, without a ridiculous budget to spunk up the wall, there's no guaranteed superstar striker waiting in the wings. I can see Hurst's reluctance to go with a slightly dodgy character, especially one he hasn't worked with before (like in the case of McAtee) because each time he's tried that route he's got burnt (Payne, Brodie...). But sitting and waiting for a hybrid Ryan Taylor-Padraig Amond type to just knock on the door is pretty unlikely to achieve sod all. January is the point where our season will be made or broken. I'm in no doubt the money is there, Hurst needs to swallow his pride a little and accept that he's going to have to change tact slightly to bring in someone a bit different. We're within 2 hours of plenty of bigger clubs who must have strikers who aren't getting enough of a sniff to want first team action. They might not want to be here after the season and be happy to just get themselves in the shop window, that's fine with me. They perform here, they win and we win. Then we're in a better position to worry about the long term situation in the summer. |
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What I found interesting watching Spain v Germany the other night was the fact that neither side had much in the way of number 9's. Spain have one in Morata, who hasn't started either of their games and Germany resorted to bringing on a 29 year old making only his third appearance for his country after spending most of his career in the German second division.
There is definitely a move away from playing with an out and out No9 and there seems to be a dearth of them. Klinsmann in the studio was saying at half time that neither side had a focal point to work from and it was interesting that both teams brought on the only player they had in the squad that could be classed as such and both of them scored.
The modern way of playing seems to be a focal target whose job is more of a link player than a scorer of goals, like Taylor is for us. The midfielders and wingers are the ones tasked with scoring the goals. This worked at Cambridge where Khan scored 2 and Holohan and Clifton had very good chances to add to the tally.
In a few games this season, we have played the system to perfection, but unfortunately, the midfielders who have got beyond the front line have failed to put the ball in the net. The prime example being the Bradford game, where we were the better side, got in behind them more than once, but failed to finish.
Thinking about this, maybe we need not only a younger fitter Taylor type but also supporting players who have better goalscoring records. Someone like Nicky Haughton at Fylde who I believe we have shown an interest in. The system worked last season because we had McAtee running from deep and doing the scoring. As soon as he went out injured, we struggled.
This season, we again lost McAtee, but Clifton was the one who stepped up to the plate with a few goals. We now have McAtee back, but have lost Taylor, so the upshot for me is that we need to bring in more than just another target man as Taylor is getting to the end of his career and McAtee is on borrowed time for us.
We don't only need a striker to be more threatening, we need others who are better finishers from midfield and the wings. Kiernan works his nuts off, but he doesn't score or create enough. We need some players like Solihull have, who score regularly despite not being strikers.
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Fair points Ginny and whilst I don't disagree with you, we do need better alternatives, but aren't we now talking about a complete change in approach and system?
McAtee and then to lesser extents the likes of Clifton, Holohan, Khan, JMD (last season) etc. all benefited from how Hurst has set up the whole system. Taylor as the focal point, everything in and around him to be held up for someone moving close to him. Either he gives and goes to get the return (Wrexham away with his diving header, also the home game too) or he drops in to create space for someone running in behind (Clifton away at Colchester).
I'd argue that the midfielders (and indeed the strikers) he's brought in since Taylor arrived have arrived with the intent of having people working in and around him, the likes of Hunt, Morris etc. to allow others more freedom to push forwards. If we're looking at going for a different approach where we won't rely on the Taylor/McAtee combination, does our midfield require a complete shift too?
I don't know the answer to that, I just wonder if we've got the squad to play a bit differently? The performance against Bradford, which was of a higher intensity, then that against Plymouth where we adopted a high press suggest we can.
I think the most disappointing thing for me that the likes of Kiernan, Simmonds, Richardson, even Orsi have all had little runs at doing that striker role. Yet we've not really settled on a different approach to how we set up. It's still as if we have to replace Taylor. Not that we can try something different. When we have tried something different, it's abandoned at the first sign that it's not going to work every time.
Either way, you're right. In 12 months time, well less in fact, we won't have McAtee and I suspect we won't have Taylor either. Be it new faces or a new system, it'll have to change soon.
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Presumably we've brought in that recruitment guy from Lincoln to try and moneyball our way into digging up a less high-profile striker who'll score goals for us. I actually watched that Füllkrug lad in-person playing for Werder Bremen in the German second division last September and he looked completely useless, certainly wasn't someone I saw and thought "he'll be playing and scoring in the World Cup next year". Evidently there clearly was a player in there as demonstrated by his goalscoring record since I watched him, and trying to identify those diamonds in the rough with the hope they'll fit our style of play and score more prolifically for us (like Amond & Connell did after joining Town) seems to be the (sensible imo) avenue Hurst wants to go down.
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The highlights of the 20 second round FA cup ties showed plenty of evidence there are strikers out there who would enhance our position
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Fair points Ginny and whilst I don't disagree with you, we do need better alternatives, but aren't we now talking about a complete change in approach and system?
McAtee and then to lesser extents the likes of Clifton, Holohan, Khan, JMD (last season) etc. all benefited from how Hurst has set up the whole system. Taylor as the focal point, everything in and around him to be held up for someone moving close to him. Either he gives and goes to get the return (Wrexham away with his diving header, also the home game too) or he drops in to create space for someone running in behind (Clifton away at Colchester).
I'd argue that the midfielders (and indeed the strikers) he's brought in since Taylor arrived have arrived with the intent of having people working in and around him, the likes of Hunt, Morris etc. to allow others more freedom to push forwards. If we're looking at going for a different approach where we won't rely on the Taylor/McAtee combination, does our midfield require a complete shift too?
I don't know the answer to that, I just wonder if we've got the squad to play a bit differently? The performance against Bradford, which was of a higher intensity, then that against Plymouth where we adopted a high press suggest we can.
I think the most disappointing thing for me that the likes of Kiernan, Simmonds, Richardson, even Orsi have all had little runs at doing that striker role. Yet we've not really settled on a different approach to how we set up. It's still as if we have to replace Taylor. Not that we can try something different. When we have tried something different, it's abandoned at the first sign that it's not going to work every time.
Either way, you're right. In 12 months time, well less in fact, we won't have McAtee and I suspect we won't have Taylor either. Be it new faces or a new system, it'll have to change soon.
Or at least if we do, it would be negligent for us to have a 35 year old who'd spent 3 months of the previous season out with a serious hamstring injury as our first choice striker. Nevertheless, this summer we'll know which League we're in much earlier, be able to have a proper close season and start signing players when everyone else is rather than getting promoted. I'd imagine Hursty is already looking for replacements for both Taylor and McAtee. |
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Presumably we've brought in that recruitment guy from Lincoln to try and moneyball our way into digging up a less high-profile striker who'll score goals for us. I actually watched that Füllkrug lad in-person playing for Werder Bremen in the German second division last September and he looked completely useless, certainly wasn't someone I saw and thought "he'll be playing and scoring in the World Cup next year". Evidently there clearly was a player in there as demonstrated by his goalscoring record since I watched him, and trying to identify those diamonds in the rough with the hope they'll fit our style of play and score more prolifically for us (like Amond & Connell did after joining Town) seems to be the (sensible imo) avenue Hurst wants to go down.
This will be the value of someone who has the sole remit, pretty much, of finding good players. Hurst and Doig must be so limited in what time and resource they can give to identifying talent, then at the detriment to something else. I saw Kevin De Bruyne at the Emirates tournament in 2015 for Wolfsburg, just before he signed for Man City. He looked average at best... Obviously not a fair comparison, but would Hurst and Doig have the time to look at a player multiple times or have to form opinions on single viewings? |
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Wonder if he actually rates Dallas or Tshimanga. 100-200K would surely be enough to get them if they told their clubs they wanted to come. If either of them are good enough - I don’t know.
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Wonder if he actually rates Dallas or Tshimanga. 100-200K would surely be enough to get them if they told their clubs they wanted to come. If either of them are good enough - I don’t know.
Both are proven goal scorers in the league below, so you would like to think they can make the step up to a division that is very similar. Obviously doubts will be there about Tshimanga after his serious injury and especially after he apparently failed his medical at Birmingham, but he has still managed 5 goals in 600 minutes of game time this season, which is nearly 1 every game, in theory. However, I still think Chesterfield will want to sell for at least the minimum they paid, which would be £250k, maybe a little bit more. So I would be abit dubious about paying that sort of money. Dallas, for me, has to be the better option as a gamble. Hes younger, scored basically one in every two games in the last 3 seasons since he joined Solihull and I think would command a lower fee. For me, if we had the chance of Dallas for say £150k or Tshimanga for £250k, I know which one I would go for and it wouldn't be the latter. |
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Wonder if he actually rates Dallas or Tshimanga. 100-200K would surely be enough to get them if they told their clubs they wanted to come. If either of them are good enough - I don’t know.
100-200k wouldn't be enough for Tshimanga, remember Chesterfield bought him for 250k. Birmingham activated his release clause previously and that was something like 450k. Not saying a buyer would have to match that but you'd think it would be more like 300-350k. As Ska said said earlier, it sounds very much like he's Stockport bound anyway. |
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100-200k wouldn't be enough for Tshimanga, remember Chesterfield bought him for 250k. Birmingham activated his release clause previously and that was something like 450k. Not saying a buyer would have to match that but you'd think it would be more like 300-350k. As Ska said said earlier, it sounds very much like he's Stockport bound anyway.
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My Chesterfield fan mate says he is not the same player since his injury
Yeah, the Chesterfield fans on another forum I use have said a mixture of that and him not really fitting into Paul Cook's system. Like Corkyefes says I still couldn't see Chesterfield making a loss on him though, but any fee over that 250k seems like a gamble. Saying that though he's played 600 minutes across 12 matches in the league this season, only 5 of which have been starts by the looks of it, and he's scored 5 goals so his record is still very good. |
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Wonder if he actually rates Dallas or Tshimanga. 100-200K would surely be enough to get them if they told their clubs they wanted to come. If either of them are good enough - I don’t know.
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Probably a bit much to say it’s finished him - he’s just been rushed back from a double leg-break, into a top-3 team, and has still scored as many as all our strikers combined.
Given his style of play, he’ll probably be a decent asset for any team across L2 or the Conference, given the chances.
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We need 2 front players minimum, ideally in January, or 1 in Jan and 1 in the summer. Replacements for McAtee and Taylor. At 34 a hamstring tear will surely take its toll.
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Options for January ?
Find 2 x younger rough diamonds, with some natural speed and limited abilities, who can be trained into what is required, and the right price / wages,
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2 x 30 + players with known qualities, maybe with the usual injury problems as found previously, but knowing where the net is... at their right price ??
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A mix of the above ??
Are there any hidden Vardys in the slightly lower leagues?
Let's hope the new incumbent hits the ground running !!
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Finally got round to listening to it in full.
I hope Matt Dean eventually got those wheel nuts on his car tightened!
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Macaulay Langstaff is being linked with a £1m move to the Championship in January. I know he’s had a great few seasons in non league but if it’s true then it really shows how hard it is to find and keep a decent striker at this level.
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Macaulay Langstaff is being linked with a £1m move to the Championship in January. I know he’s had a great few seasons in non league but if it’s true then it really shows how hard it is to find and keep a decent striker at this level.
I guess promotion is worth more than that but as Chesterfield found out last season, he's only a crunching tackle away from a nasty injury that ends Notts promotion hopes and reduces his career prospects. |
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