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Attlee whose government introduced the NHS and the Welfare State and many other great innovations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_AttleeBest Tory is a hard one. Probably Major. Worst: Cameron. For his complete mis-reading of the public and subsequent caving in to the right wing of his party and allowing the BREXIT referendum which led to all the other idiots like Johnson and Truss getting into positions of power.
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Attlee whose government introduced the NHS and the Welfare State and many other great innovations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_AttleeBest Tory is a hard one. Probably Major. Worst: Cameron. For his complete mis-reading of the public and subsequent caving in to the right wing of his party and allowing the BREXIT referendum which led to all the other idiots like Johnson and Truss getting into positions of power.
Agreed. Worst is Cameron, not just for the poorly-defined referendum called due to self interest and his pathetic cowardice after losing it, but also for the dreadful austerity implemented which this study reckons may have led to as many as 335,000 excess deaths to 2019: https://theconversation.com/au.....r-future-cuts-192033Thanks to this austerity, the economy was still on its knees by the time Covid and Brexit came around so this made things worse even when the next worst PM, Johnson, came in and 'did his thing'. i.e. nothing good. Thatcher probably next after that as she set the scene for those who followed and I'd then go for Truss after her. I don't doubt Truss would have been higher up the list if she had been in the role longer than 5 minutes, but overall, much more long-term damage and needless deaths caused by the others.
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Anyone that introduces austerity, claiming it necessary when in fact it is simply a political choice gets my vote for worst. More people dead from that than the dreaded covid, and the list continues to rise.
Cameron was a bottle job and proves how out of touch he was to even think the public wouldn’t be thick enough to vote for Brexit.
Truss will likely go down as the worst but given the short time she had a go, it’s hard to conspire her to the likes of Johnson and Thatcher who had significantly longer periods of time to intercourse it up and intercourse people over.
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Harold Wilson was just a brilliant intuitive politician. He united the Labour Party (no mean feat) and had an innate ability to read the room. One of his biggest achievements was to keep the UK out of the incredibly damaging Vietnam War despite huge pressure from the Americans.
Harold Wilson did brilliantly to keep us out of the Vietnam War. No mean feat when you consider how much money we still owed the US. Clement Attlee shades it for me though. The welfare state was an outstanding achievement.
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Clement Attlee shades it for me though. The welfare state was an outstanding achievement.
Yep. Created when the UK national debt stood at 250% of GDP following the war. Remember this when Hunt tells us There Is No Alternative to swingeing cuts to public expenditure, despite the harm it will cause, in his 'Fiscal Statement' in a couple of weeks. The question each of these politicians and bankers needs to be asked is whether their planned actions will have a noticeable impact on their own lifestyles. (The answer is, of course, that it won't).
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I often wonder whether someone like Attlee who just got on with the job would have got anywhere near the job of Prime Minister in this day and age. Undoubtedly a man for his age though who fought two elections and won against a man in Churchill whose "war-winning" charisma represented a huge challenge.
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And don't forget, Atlee only lost to Churchill in the next election due to our broken electoral system. Labour won the popular vote in 1951, but the Tories were returned to power with a substantial majority. I can't help but wonder how the country might look today if we'd had a proper proportional voting system over the past half century.
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And don't forget, Atlee only lost to Churchill in the next election due to our broken electoral system. Labour won the popular vote in 1951, but the Tories were returned to power with a substantial majority. I can't help but wonder how the country might look today if we'd had a proper proportional voting system over the past half century.
You’re not implying that even way back when, the electoral system was essentially rigged and designed to ensure the tories stay in power, providing a minute chance that someone else might get in, but it wills take a landslide almost…
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Labour… 1 Attlee 2 Blair 3 Wilson 4 Brown 5 Callaghan
Tories… 1 McMillan 2 Churchill 3 Major 4 Thatcher 5 May 6 Douglas-Home 7 Heath 8 Cameron 9 Johnson 10 Eden 11 Truss
Too early to place Sunak, although he’s near the bottom already.
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