Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register.
Fishy Forum Fishy Boards Archive › "The New Plan For Football"
Users Browsing Forum
No Members and 264 Guests

"The New Plan For Football"

  This thread currently has 2,616 views. Print
2 Pages 1 2 Next All Recommend Thread
promotion plaice
September 19, 2022, 8:42pm

Moderator
Posts: 19,658
Posts Per Day: 3.85
Reputation: 64.79%
Rep Score: +20 / -13
Location: Cleethorpes
Approval: +17,088
Gold Stars: 200


When Leeds trainer Les Cocker was once told Norman Hunter had broken a leg, he asked: “Whose is it?”
Logged Offline
Private Message
ginnywings
September 19, 2022, 8:57pm

Recovering Alcoholic
Posts: 28,149
Posts Per Day: 5.02
Reputation: 73.79%
Rep Score: +88 / -32
Approval: +56,151
Gold Stars: 548
Quoted from promotion plaice


Liz Truss even gets a mention in this, inevitably it's to inform us that she is about to scrap the plans for an independent football administrator. Big surprise, not.

Basically, the rich Premier League will then be allowed to dictate its own terms to the EFL. The rich deciding how poor the poor will be, just as she likes it.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 1 - 11
blundellpork
September 19, 2022, 9:10pm

Table Wine Drinker
Posts: 543
Posts Per Day: 0.09
Reputation: 72.83%
Rep Score: +3 / -2
Approval: +1,666
Gold Stars: 32
So UEFA create more European matches, the Premier League clubs complain about how many games they have, then seek to destroy the domestic game.

Of course they would never countenance withdrawing from Europe, or fielding the 21’s in that competition, but they should never be allowed to dictate to the domestic game.

This seems to be a never ending problem, that gets shot down, sits in the long grass for a year or two, then they try again.

With huge first team squads, and massive academies, they have the resources to play these games. Sadly hoovering up youth is no longer about developing first team players, but finding assets to sell.

The game is broken and all the proposed solutions are wrong. Reduce the European games, reduce the maximum academy sizes, and reach of those academies, reduce the size of match day squads, and let’s get back to a more level playing field. Will never happen though.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 2 - 11
Poojah
September 19, 2022, 9:42pm
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 7,252
Posts Per Day: 1.25
Reputation: 86.63%
Rep Score: +76 / -11
Approval: +29,669
Gold Stars: 1,508
Quoted from blundellpork
So UEFA create more European matches, the Premier League clubs complain about how many games they have, then seek to destroy the domestic game.

Of course they would never countenance withdrawing from Europe, or fielding the 21’s in that competition, but they should never be allowed to dictate to the domestic game.

This seems to be a never ending problem, that gets shot down, sits in the long grass for a year or two, then they try again.

With huge first team squads, and massive academies, they have the resources to play these games. Sadly hoovering up youth is no longer about developing first team players, but finding assets to sell.

The game is broken and all the proposed solutions are wrong. Reduce the European games, reduce the maximum academy sizes, and reach of those academies, reduce the size of match day squads, and let’s get back to a more level playing field. Will never happen though.


It's all horribly interconnected, sadly. Of course the Premier League and FA don't want domestic matters decided at the behest of UEFA, but voluntary withdrawal from European competition would simply alienate the big clubs and big players on which the domestic gravy train is almost wholly reliant upon.

The globalisation of football and in particular the Premier League was always going to end this way. A tiny percentage of revenue generated by the English game is derived from these shores, and that means we've ultimately lost power and control of our own game.

That will instead be defined by the average people of China, India and Africa - paradoxically very un-wealthy as individuals but collectively massive audiences; cumulatively over three quarters of a billion active Premier League followers across those countries / continent alone. Would they lap up a European Super League or a closed shop Premier League? You bet they would. Do they care about Grimsby, Bristol Rovers or even West Brom for that matter? Who?

The only reason the ESL didn't happen a couple of years ago was that those involved grossly underestimated the level of domestic furore it would cause, and assumed that any outrage would be thwarted by the Covid lockdowns in force at the time. They were wrong, as thousands of fans protesting on the Old Trafford pitch helped symbolise.

But that was never going to be the end of it, was it? The cash cow is just too creamy not to milk. They'll be back, sooner or later, with more money, better PR consultants and even greater determination to see their ideas through come what may.

It's a shame what football has become, and it will only become worse in the years to come. It's capitalism in its ugliest guise. But we should know better than anyone that it's not the clubs at the top and the bottom that suffer most when there is a sudden, seismic change in the flow of football finance but those in between, as we so acutely suffered in the aftermath of the ITV Digital debacle of the early noughties.

We're lucky, actually. Clubs like Town have had to adopt a more self-sustainable approach for years since the money sure as shít ain't trickling down from those at the top table. But for those falling just short of Super League status, things are going to get very turbulent and there are going to be some very badly burned club owners crying into their beer in the not too distant future.


A smooth sea never made a skillful mariner.
Logged Online
Private Message
Reply: 3 - 11
GrimRob
September 19, 2022, 10:22pm

Moderator
Posts: 12,684
Posts Per Day: 2.12
Reputation: 69.92%
Rep Score: +76 / -34
Approval: +13,432
Gold Stars: 113
Why do the Premier League even play in the EFL Cup? Just make it what it is called, a cup competition for the 72 EFL clubs with replays, the final at Wembley, and get rid of the PL teams, and the Europa place for winning it. Probably get rid of the EFL Trophy too rather than keep it in its current guise.


'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.  
~ Alfred Lord Tennyson

Logged Offline
Site Private Message Skype
Reply: 4 - 11
WOZOFGRIMSBY
September 19, 2022, 10:23pm

Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 12,593
Posts Per Day: 2.74
Reputation: 75.45%
Rep Score: +66 / -22
Location: Londonderry
Approval: +8,919
Gold Stars: 180
RIP football as we know it.

How soon before we’re down to 18/16/14 teams in the top division? The clubs that dine at the top table, have money thrown around left right and centre; but it’s a state of greed that has been allowed to develop. Look at the amount of players signed by forest over the close season or the amount paid to players that sometimes can’t even make the bench.

I think There will come a time where premier league games are played abroad, it’s not if but when. The average fan is now expected to pay above and beyond for a day out watching ‘their’ team. This isn’t a working man’s game anymore.


Rose is on fire

And your scotch eggs are fu(king vile
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 5 - 11
GrimRob
September 19, 2022, 10:44pm

Moderator
Posts: 12,684
Posts Per Day: 2.12
Reputation: 69.92%
Rep Score: +76 / -34
Approval: +13,432
Gold Stars: 113
The competitions we have now are a total mess. Just try explaining them to a non-football fan, they are baffling in their scope, and very hard to explain. I have had a go.

The EPL and EFL are simple and most people get that apart from the strange names of the top EFL competition.
English FA Cup - for every team affiliated to the FA (basically everyone in England, and some but not all in Wales).  The team that wins it, which is usually someone who has already qualified for the Champions League, qualifies for the Europa League and therefore gives up their place in the Europa.
EFL Cup - for teams in the EFL but also the 20 EPL teams. The team that wins it, which is almost never an EFL team, qualifies for the Europa Conference League
EFL Trophy - for teams in some of EFL, plus the academy teams of some of the EPL. Comprises of a league and a knock-out stage.  The winner gets a trophy.
Champions League - a competition for the champions of the top nation's leagues, plus many teams who finished 2nd, 3rd and 4th. Comprises a league and a knock-out stage.This is the ultimate prize in club football.
Europa League - a competition for the champions of the smaller nations leagues, plus many teams who finished 2nd, 3rd and 4th, 5th and 6th elsewhere, and winners of "important" cups. Comprises a league and a knock-out stage. The winner is rewarded with a Champions League place unless they already have one.
Europa Conference League - a competition for the champions of the very smallest nation's leagues, plus many teams who finished 2nd, 3rd and 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th elsewhere and a ragbag of some cup winners. Comprises a league and a knock-out stage. The winner is rewarded with a Europa League place unless they already have one.

All of the bottom three are invariably won by a team from one of the top 5 nations, despite their nominal increased involvement of more sides from smaller nations.


'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.  
~ Alfred Lord Tennyson

Logged Offline
Site Private Message Skype
Reply: 6 - 11
aldi_01
September 20, 2022, 6:53am

Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 12,008
Posts Per Day: 2.02
Reputation: 73.73%
Rep Score: +54 / -20
Approval: +5,679
Gold Stars: 473
Football is just a reflection of society, having more money is seen as success, much like finishing 4th is regarding a win.

We all knew stuff like this was coming but when 80k turn up for a cup competition which enabled them to test the water regarding B teams etc it hardly tells the authorities that fans aren’t happy.

We can point to earlier rounds and their extremely low attendances (apart from Lincoln, they didn’t seem to understand the damage the rehash of the competition would cause) and say that first rounds of the competition in its previous guise were low, and they’d be right.

People have been saying that football in this country will go bang for quite some times but sadly it won’t. One thing the premier league got right in comparison to say Serie A was the PR, marketing and the constant hyperbole machine, probably helped by the fact Sky Sport need the premier league as much as the premier league needs a vessel for its promotion machine

Ultimately, aside from those folk who care about a club, support a club and are pragmatic enough to be able to see football for what it is; a game, a passionate sport where someone wins or loses and you believe in your team, however shite they are there are many who don’t. Visits a pub any given Saturday and see the lads who claim to be football fans having never really been to a match, the odd one here and there. Betting slips, betting apps, moaning Becauee a player cost them 5k, he didn’t, he cost you the price of the bet. They sit there, buy in to this ‘it’s only live once crap’, they celebrate billions being spent and so on, for what?

A league that’s already over. The premier league is boring. A handful of exciting seasons in 30 years. Of course we won’t compliment other leagues, namely Dutch, Italy, and Germany becauee we’d prefer to deride them because the PR machine tells us the premier league is the best. News flash! It’s not, it can be fun to watch but it’s not the best.

So anyone with half a brain knew this was coming, we saw it and I guess we’ve all kinds prepared for it.

Personally, there’s much bigger issues in football to solve but I guess that’ll never happen because the authorities would have to look at themselves and admit that the game has problems. They can’t have that now can they?


'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 7 - 11
louth_in_the_south
September 20, 2022, 7:33am

Exile
Posts: 4,120
Posts Per Day: 0.69
Reputation: 70%
Rep Score: +25 / -12
Location: Forest Row
Approval: +5,704
Gold Stars: 96
Ted Boughley has clearly shown the last few months why the PL has lost control of itself . American billionaires are picking up clubs one by one . Once there’s enough relegation will be a thing of the past as the big 6 sail off into the sunset that is the ESL . There was no way their last attempt would be the last .

It would be disastrous in the short term for the EFL and also the SPL as I’m sure Rangers and Celtic would get a golden ticket but once a reset had been engineered I could see a far more exciting and level English league created, possibly opening the door to the National premier league being incorporated.


Lower F5
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 8 - 11
FPVmariner
September 20, 2022, 7:55am
Beer Drinker
Posts: 151
Posts Per Day: 0.22
Reputation: 85.92%
Rep Score: +4 / 0
Approval: +337
Gold Stars: 23
Every sky sports, BT sports, Amazon Prime subscription and every premier league replica shirt, scarf, mug bought makes individuals culpable.  Dirty money is laundered through clubs being bought and obscene wages paid to greedy players and managers.

Starve them.
Logged
Private Message
Reply: 9 - 11
2 Pages 1 2 Next All Recommend Thread
Print

Fishy Forum Fishy Boards Archive › "The New Plan For Football"

Back to top of page

This is not an official forum of Grimsby Town Football Club, the opinions expressed are those of the individual authors. If you see an offensive post then click "Report" on the relevant post. Posts will be deleted at the discretion of the moderators whose decision is final. Posts should abide by the Forum Rules. IP addresses of contributors together with dates and times of access are stored. The opinions and viewpoints expressed by contributors to The Fishy are their own and not necessarily those of The Fishy. The Fishy makes no claims that information dispersed through this forum is accurate or reliable. Also The Fishy cannot be held liable for any statements made by contributors of The Fishy.