Grimsby's Rivals

I am a student at Loughborough University working in collaboration with the University of Massachusetts, to help research rivalries in the English Football League. The Know Rivalry project is seeking to learn more about the psychological, cultural and commercial effects of football rivalries in the UK.

The views of Mariners could be used to support the marketing and broadcasting of the club, especially in the build-up to games against rivals. At the moment we're focusing on who you view as your rivals in League 2 and above, so Scunthorpe couldn't be selected as a rival for example. However, your views on other EFL clubs would be recognised and provide data on what games Grimsby fans look forward to most.

As an AFC Wimbledon fan, I am pleased to have been given the task of collecting data on League 2 clubs this season and it would be greatly appreciated if you could share your views using the following link: [url]https://umassamherst.co1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_3FdJ8eN2EgFCfCB?collID=10&grpID=1424[/url]

Feel free to ask any questions.
Thanks, Jude.

Quoted from JudeKinsella

At the moment we're focusing on who you view as your rivals in League 2 and above, so Scunthorpe couldn't be selected as a rival for example.

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Hull City for me due to the old fishing rivalries although that being said I’ve always got on well with people from Hull in comparison to those who aren’t able to qualify to be in this survey 😂

I think age is a big factor in local rivalries. Some of us longer in the tooth will see Hull City as our main and most important rivals. Those born in the last 30 odd years will never have seen us play Hull in a competitive game though as when we were playing in the Championship and they were down and out in tier 4 but the roles have been reversed (even more pronounced) in the last 20 odd years.

Age is definitely a factor here. As someone in their 30’s I grew up considering Barnsley and Sheffield Weds as our rivals in the late 90’s/ early 00’s due to our battles to stay in the second tier, but never fiercely. To be honest, I was never particularly bothered about Hull, Scunny, Lincoln etc.

Older fans would probably go with Hull for the fishing days, and younger fans may well choose Lincoln due to the many games between the clubs over the last 10-12 years (until recently).

Quoted from blundellpork

Age is definitely a factor here. As someone in their 30’s I grew up considering Barnsley and Sheffield Weds as our rivals in the late 90’s/ early 00’s due to our battles to stay in the second tier, but never fiercely. To be honest, I was never particularly bothered about Hull, Scunny, Lincoln etc.

Older fans would probably go with Hull for the fishing days, and younger fans may well choose Lincoln due to the many games between the clubs over the last 10-12 years (until recently).

I'm 32 for another 6 weeks and I've never seen us play Hull so I find it tough to consider that a rivalry. Growing up the game that excited me the most was Sheffield Wednesday but I find any team from Yorkshire has a bit more spice to it than Lincoln. Obviously Scunny is always interesting but I don't feel that way towards Lincoln.

Never seen Lincoln or Scunthorpe or Hull as our rivals, but the Yorksire clubs, the likes of Sheff Wed & Utd, Barnsley, Leeds, probably to do with I grew up the eighties and we played them more than the local teams mentioned.

Trouble is if we can’t count Scunny 😂😂😂 then we can’t count Ull. (Which always has been top of my list). So in this league it’s
Donny
Bradford
Mansfield.

In that order.

West Brom were a serious rival for a few seasons

I would say the Tahgers but the fact is it's years since we played them and having worked with a few Tahgers fans over the years the feelings of rivalry have never really been reciprocated. The Yorkshire clubs were just that, clubs from Yorkshire who didn't really care about us either. Lincoln were always a bit like the little kid down the street, a pain in the bottom but ultimately just Lincoln. Our main rivals as far as I'm concerned are the team that can't be included in this survey, and it's not even close.

Quoted from Civvy at last

Trouble is if we can’t count Scunny 😂😂😂 then we can’t count Ull. (Which always has been top of my list). So in this league it’s
Donny
Bradford
Mansfield.

In that order.

No you can have Hull mate; League Two and above. Scunny of course are in the League below, and not doing very well by all accounts. There’s a very realistic prospect that there could be three divisions separating us next season; something which I don’t think has happened since 1948 when we were in the top flight and Scunny in the Midland League.

I’m a longtime supporter so think the points about who is the local rival is dependent on when someone becomes a fan.

For me based on my age, the list is

Hull
Lincoln
Scunthorpe
Notts Forest

If I had become a fan today it would be

Lincoln
Doncaster
Bradford
Hull
Leeds

Interesting?

Quoted from Poojah

No you can have Hull mate; League Two and above. Scunny of course are in the League below, and not doing very well by all accounts. There’s a very realistic prospect that there could be three divisions separating us next season; something which I don’t think has happened since 1948 when we were in the top flight and Scunny in the Midland League.

Ah. Cheers for clearing that up. I thought it had to be this league.

In that case it’s
Ull
Donnyl
Gimps

I’d love to mention the likes of Barnsley, Wendy’s etc. But although it was always lively home and away, I don’t think they ever classed us as rivals.

Lincoln
Plastic Club
False Expectations
(Radio Lincs Drives me Crazy)
Normal Order of merit restored soon 😁
& Chesterfield
Mining Communities / Fisherfolk Communities
I was always made aware of by elders

The Yorkshire clubs in the 90s and noughties were the best rivals, Barnsley, Wednesday, Huddersfield and Bradford. Forget this daft scunny thing

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

Notts Forest

Are they a local team of Grimsby's in Yorkshire?

Quoted from ncfc_chalky

Are they a local team of Grimsby's in Yorkshire?

Nah, they play across the river from some non-league team I think.

Quoted from Poojah

Nah, they play across the river from some non-league team I think.

I'm awarding you my star for mentioning non league at the first opportunity Poojar,well done sir 👍

Quoted from Poojah

No you can have Hull mate; League Two and above. Scunny of course are in the League below, and not doing very well by all accounts. There’s a very realistic prospect that there could be three divisions separating us next season; something which I don’t think has happened since 1948 when we were in the top flight and Scunny in the Midland League.

If things continue as they are and Swann continues with his head buried in the sand, they might be even lower than National League North or worse, extinct.

Quoted from ncfc_chalky

I'm awarding you my star for mentioning non league at the first opportunity Poojar,well done sir 👍

Thanks, I’ll stick it in my Poojah star jar.

Definitely an age thing for me it would now be

Scummy (but can't count them)
Lincoln narrowly over
Hull

But when I started supporting them hull would have been top
Cant see it as a rivalry now they are quite literally out of our league.

The Yorkshire clubs like Barnsley and donny yeah it's a bit of added spice but we wouldn't register for them as rivals so it's not the same, whereas Lincoln and scunthorpe hate us.

Quoted from Poojah

Thanks, I’ll stick it in my Poojah star jar.

Very good Poojah,I didn't notice until you pointed it out but an excellent reply

Hull are a perfect example of local rivals as opposed to a club we have an actual rivalry with. We've only played Hull twice since 1989 and both were in the FL trophy so not really a footballing rivalry.
Age, location play a part in who we see as rivals. As an exile the teams I desperately wanted to beat were those supported by people locally..Wolves, Stoke, WBA  while we were playing lots of Yorkshire and Midlands clubs higher up the league

For me in the eighties and early nineties it was the Yorkshire clubs Barnsley Rotherham Sheffield clubs. We hate Yorkies  etc etc………

Always growing up it was Yorkshire clubs that was most fiercely hated, particularly Sheffield clubs as they aren't far away and came over in numbers. Hull mostly for local and political reasons with the whole Humberside thing, being close but quite different and not wanting to be in the same county as Hull and have it considered big brother like the politicians wanted.

Lincoln was probably more of a recent thing when we found ourselves in the same league for a long time but can consider that a local rivalry. I'd say our biggest rivals are still Yorkshire clubs due to them being still close by and the often local dislike of people from the area who regularly come to the beach for local holidays.

I'm old enough to remember going on the ferry across the Humber to watch us play Dull. There was, and still is, a certain animosity towards the city of Kingston Upon Hull, on the south bank. Not so much the other way, but if you come to Grimsby and mention Hull, there will always be a resentment towards them. It goes way back and is more than just football, Grimsby dockers, Grimsby fishermen, and then the dreaded Humberside. When we played them back then, it was well tasty on and off the pitch. The only way to get there was to get the train to New Holland pier, and then the old paddle steamer across the Humber. Welcoming committee waiting in the pubs around the ferry terminal. Then getting the train to Boothferry Park, which had a train platform in the stand, straight off the train to the turnstiles. To me it was a proper rivalry, not just playing the nearest club and calling them rivals, more like the Merseyside derby, or North London derby.

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Scunny,scunny,......and more scunny, hate everything about them and the place, Lincoln a close second, not bothered a about hull, they don't view is as rivals and be all the lads I know from hull consider Leeds as the club they hate.

I guess there’s a debate over what constitutes a rival. Is it in relation to rivals in terms of what we’re aiming to achieve or is it just teams we don’t like like.

Most of my life it’s been the Yorkshire clubs, particularly both Sheffield teams. Then we had a spell of playing Lincoln so many young lads regard them as a derby.

We’ve played scunny s few times and they’ll always be a rival but can’t be for the sake of this research.

Hull is the one for me, every cup draw I beg for Hull away. It’s s multi faceted hatred I guess.

I guess this season one could say that Donnie, Mansfield are the closest thing to a rivalry but again, I don’t really care. They’re just localish away days.

Our oldest rivals are clearly Lincoln. We've been playing each other reasonably regularly for over 140 years!

We've also played them a lot more than other local clubs in recent decades as Scunny had their moment in the sun and we've toiled around the bottom division.

It has occurred to me that I can't remember ever watching us play Hull (and I'm almost 50!).probably saw a game at some point when I was a kid but that's a long time ago. I do, however, remember always having a chuckle if Hull had lost games in years past. My Dad really doesn't like Hull after working there on and off in the 70s and this has obviously rubbed off on me to some degree! Scunny were just never on my radar and I simply don't care about them now, just as I didn't care about them when they were three divisions higher than us.

Quoted from Maringer

Our oldest rivals are clearly Lincoln. We've been playing each other reasonably regularly for over 140 years!

We've also played them a lot more than other local clubs in recent decades as Scunny had their moment in the sun and we've toiled around the bottom division.

It has occurred to me that I can't remember ever watching us play Hull (and I'm almost 50!).probably saw a game at some point when I was a kid but that's a long time ago. I do, however, remember always having a chuckle if Hull had lost games in years past. My Dad really doesn't like Hull after working there on and off in the 70s and this has obviously rubbed off on me to some degree! Scunny were just never on my radar and I simply don't care about them now, just as I didn't care about them when they were three divisions higher than us.

We played them in the auto windscreens early games at BP. If I remember, it was the game Macca got a really bad injury?

I think that idiot Danson refereed, providing evidence that ex players don’t make good referees…

If we had played them in a league match at any point in the last10 or so years everyone iwould undoubtedly say Hull. As it is, without being able to Scunny, it's Lincoln, Doncaster and Barnsley in that order.

Personally, I don't get the Sheffield clubs/Barnsley thing at all. Big games when they come around, but no chance are they proper rivals. I think you could argue the case that Mansfield/Chesterfield are bigger rivals than them.

Scunny are our main rivals and always have been and it won't matter which divisions we're in. Lincoln has obviously crept in over the last few decades and their rise has turned them from quite a nice inoffensive middling L2/Conference side to the jumped up sycophantic monstrosity that unfurled that banner and now there's a very strong dislike. So it's kind of just those two for me. Hull would be a thing for me, but as others have said we never play them any more. The only Yorkshire side who would possibly be considered would be Donny.

27 and never seen us play Hull

Quoted from Son of Cod

Personally, I don't get the Sheffield clubs/Barnsley thing at all. Big games when they come around, but no chance are they proper rivals. I think you could argue the case that Mansfield/Chesterfield are bigger rivals than them.

That's the same thing though isn't it mate? Chesterfield and Mansfield only "rivals" because we've generally occupied the same divisions over the last 20 years. Games against Barnsley were always much tastier than Chesterfield or Mansfield. Not main rivals, no. Same as Doncaster but with not playing Hull in forever and not being able to choose Scunny, they would sneak in my top 3 for the last 30 years

We're simply unrivalled!

If by chance we start playing Hull, Wendys, Blunts and Barnsley regularly in the next few seasons, the under 30s in our fanbase will totally understand the added edge compared to any Scunny or Lincoln game. Don't underestimate anything until you've experienced it first hand...

Quoted from immariner

That's the same thing though isn't it mate? Chesterfield and Mansfield only "rivals" because we've generally occupied the same divisions over the last 20 years. Games against Barnsley were always much tastier than Chesterfield or Mansfield. Not main rivals, no. Same as Doncaster but with not playing Hull in forever and not being able to choose Scunny, they would sneak in my top 3 for the last 30 years

I always found Barnsley fairly friendly personally. Wednesday we can't have been in the same division as for more than 4/5 years around the turn of the millennium. Chesterfield on the other hand kicks off every single time we play them it seems, hence me mentioning them but yeah I wouldn't consider them rivals either.

Quoted from Bigdog

If by chance we start playing Hull, Wendys, Blunts and Barnsley regularly in the next few seasons, the under 30s in our fanbase will totally understand the added edge compared to any Scunny or Lincoln game. Don't underestimate anything until you've experienced it first hand...

I'm 38 and I don't really remember this Wednesday rivalry that people are on about. Like I said further up, I remember them being big games but mainly just because we were likely to take decent followings other than any kind of ingrained rivalry.

Sheffield Wednesday from the eighties but any South Yorkshire team really and Leeds back in the day.

We've only played Hull City in three league campaigns that I recall since I started watching Town 79-80, 85-86 and 86-87 and we spent the best part of two decades above them at one time.

I suppose Lincolnshire matches are derbies but the Yorkshire games have always had more bite for me.

Quoted from Hagrid

27 and never seen us play Hull

The only time I saw us v Hull was in the early 60's. - Jeez 60 years ago!
We lost 2-1 at Boothferry Park, Chris Chilton scored both of their goals I think & maybe Ron Rafferty got ours.

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I always found Barnsley fairly friendly personally.

We’ve often had trouble with Barnsley away and at home and it often carried on into the night down the sea front,
Pretty much the same for any of the yorkie teams.
Wether that counts as a rivalry I’m not sure but yorkies don’t like us and we don’t like them.

Strange that we fight with Yorkies as many southerners think that Grimsby is in Yorkshire!

I agree that our rivals change over time and it does depend to some extent on when you first started following Town.  In the late 60s early 70s Grimsby, Lincoln and Scunny were usually in the same division.  This provided plenty of local derbies, bragging rights and fights.  A national newspaper even had an article that these local derbies kept the clubs going.

Barnsley home and away was always a very feisty affair on and off the pitch.The two Clubs were joined at the hip for quite a few years in the league Ala Lincoln in more recent years but far more volatile. Rotherham Donny and the two Sheffield Clubs had their moments but Barnsley was a consistent rival. For me it was always
1 Hull
2 Barnsley
3 Any Yorkshire Club
4 Scunny
5 Lincoln

I think Stoke should get an honourable mention from 86 onwards no fixture with them is likely to be a love in.

I’ve always found Notts County matches to have a bit of an edge - big away followings at both grounds and some vital matches recently

I'm too young to have experienced any rivalry with the Sheffield clubs or Hull. I think the rivalry with the latter is dormant but would get quite tasty if we were to compete with them again. I know from my parents that there is quite a bit of resentment towards the whole Humberside thing on this side of the riv... sorry, estuary.  

A lot of fans would consider Scunny as our greatest adversary just because they're the closest, but I've never really felt it. We've played them a few times recently and the derbies have never been particularly inspiring. To be honest I feel more pity for them at the moment than hate, but maybe that's the snowflake in me coming through.

Our main local rivalry in recent years has been with Lincoln as we shared our purgatory in non-league together. Their rapid ascent to L1 while we continued to toil in L2/NL probably makes them the one I want to get one over most.

Other than that, you could probably include a few of our National League promotion rivals, like Wrexham, Chesterfield and Notts County. This forum in particular seems to have developed a little bit of a fetish for Wrexham and their newfound wealth recently.

Quoted from AussieMariner

I’ve always found Notts County matches to have a bit of an edge - big away followings at both grounds and some vital matches recently

Big away followings one way only. Notts do well to get into 4 figures.

Quoted from MarinerDevil

Other than that, you could probably include a few of our National League promotion rivals, like Wrexham, Chesterfield and Notts County. This forum in particular seems to have developed a little bit of a fetish for Wrexham and their newfound wealth recently.

Nah. Don't read many other forums? Every conference forum will be talking about them, we just had the experience of spectacularly spoiling their grand promotion. Hardly a surprise

Another left of centre fixture that usually results in on/off the pitch aggro is Coventry.

Quoted from blundellpork

Age is definitely a factor here. As someone in their 30’s I grew up considering Barnsley and Sheffield Weds as our rivals in the late 90’s/ early 00’s due to our battles to stay in the second tier, but never fiercely. To be honest, I was never particularly bothered about Hull, Scunny, Lincoln etc.

Older fans would probably go with Hull for the fishing days, and younger fans may well choose Lincoln due to the many games between the clubs over the last 10-12 years (until recently).

Defo Barnsley and Sheff Wednesday.  Less bothered about Barnsley but I still have a big dislike for Sheff Wed.  Likewise the Lincolnshire clubs don't bother me.  I want us to be the best but would never want them to go under.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Barnsley home and away was always a very feisty affair on and off the pitch.The two Clubs were joined at the hip for quite a few years in the league Ala Lincoln in more recent years but far more volatile. Rotherham Donny and the two Sheffield Clubs had their moments but Barnsley was a consistent rival. For me it was always
1 Hull
2 Barnsley
3 Any Yorkshire Club
4 Scunny
5 Lincoln

I think Stoke should get an honourable mention from 86 onwards no fixture with them is likely to be a love in.

Obviously what era you started watching Town is significant.

I agree that in the late 70s then 80s the South Yorkshire clubs were always most challenging (with Barnsley top) and personally Hull/Scunthorpe/Lincoln never really concerned me. After that it was any other Yorkshire club (Hull being Humberside at that time) including Middlesbrough (particularly the FACup 3rd round when Marc North scored twice) and I agree with your choice of Stoke.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Another left of centre fixture that usually results in on/off the pitch aggro is Coventry.

You'd be looking for pointless fights if you'd been brought up in Coventry as well. A least we've got the seaside here...

Quoted from Hagrid

27 and never seen us play Hull

I'm 57 and never seen us beat them in a league game.

There was the 2 all draw that sent us down one year.

Quoted from BlackandWhiteBarmy2

I'm 57 and never seen us beat them in a league game.

There was the 2 all draw that sent us down one year.

56 years since we beat them in the league so you were a bit young for that

Quoted from Son of Cod

I always found Barnsley fairly friendly personally. Wednesday we can't have been in the same division as for more than 4/5 years around the turn of the millennium. Chesterfield on the other hand kicks off every single time we play them it seems, hence me mentioning them but yeah I wouldn't consider them rivals either.


I'm 38 and I don't really remember this Wednesday rivalry that people are on about. Like I said further up, I remember them being big games but mainly just because we were likely to take decent followings other than any kind of ingrained rivalry.

There’s definitely an issue between town and Wendy…although it tends to happen more at BP than at Hillsborough.

Perhaps it’s their arrogance which makes them like were inferior to them, who knows but I definitely remember any game against them at BP getting extremely nasty. Sheff Utd too to some extent.

It’s a great debate but also goes back to a question of what defines a rival? Someone you’re competing with in a league, because this year that could be Orient for instance, last year it was Halifax, chesterfield, Wrexham etc or is it how close the two teams are?

It can’t just be about which teams it kicks off with surely?

As a Scunny fan, I am curious as to why there is so much animosity to Yorkshire as a whole from you lot?

I understand that during your Div One days the likes of Barnsley and the Sheffield clubs would have been regular fixtures, but so were York, Halifax and Scarborough for us and we have never had much of a rivalry with them. Sure, the chance of crowd trouble would be there with these, but only because they're local, so we'd have a large enough mob and so would they.

Hull and Donny are rivals of ours, but that's more due to proximity than their Yorkshire nature.

Quoted from immariner

Big away followings one way only. Notts do well to get into 4 figures.

Traveling to BP is nothing special for Notts fans and not even a fixture that's particularly special on the calender,a visit to Meadow Lane on the other hand is always going to be a great day out for Grimsby fans...(first to mention playoffs or 96th minute gets the gold star)

Get those red crosses in Mariners 🙂

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

As a Scunny fan, I am curious as to why there is so much animosity to Yorkshire as a whole from you lot?

I understand that during your Div One days the likes of Barnsley and the Sheffield clubs would have been regular fixtures, but so were York, Halifax and Scarborough for us and we have never had much of a rivalry with them. Sure, the chance of crowd trouble would be there with these, but only because they're local, so we'd have a large enough mob and so would they.

Hull and Donny are rivals of ours, but that's more due to proximity than their Yorkshire nature.

Because they came here billy big balderdash. And because of comfort types (come for't day, stay for't week) in Meggies during rhe summer. Annoying, thick twits on the whole.

Quoted from ncfc_chalky

Traveling to BP is nothing special for Notts fans and not even a fixture that's particularly special on the calender,a visit to Meadow Lane on the other hand is always going to be a great day out for Grimsby fans...(first to mention playoffs or 96th minute gets the gold star)

Get those red crosses in Mariners 🙂

That's balderdash. Meggies is a great away day. We'd take best part of 2000 anywhere 75 miles away. We have a more loyal away following, that's it.

Quoted from immariner

That's balderdash. Meggies is a great away day. We'd take best part of 2000 anywhere 75 miles away. We have a more loyal away following, that's it.

You haven't got a Premier League club a few hundred yards away to compete with either

Quoted from ncfc_chalky

You haven't got a Premier League club a few hundred yards away to compete with either

Irrelevant. As a% of home support

Quoted from ncfc_chalky

Traveling to BP is nothing special for Notts fans and not even a fixture that's particularly special on the calender,a visit to Meadow Lane on the other hand is always going to be a great day out for Grimsby fans...(first to mention playoffs or 96th minute gets the gold star)

Get those red crosses in Mariners 🙂

Nothing to do with BP being special or anything, Notts just don't travel well. Not much more to it than that.

Quoted from immariner

Irrelevant. As a% of home support

So if Forest didn't exist then you think that Notts home support would be the same as it is now then?

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

As a Scunny fan, I am curious as to why there is so much animosity to Yorkshire as a whole from you lot?

I understand that during your Div One days the likes of Barnsley and the Sheffield clubs would have been regular fixtures, but so were York, Halifax and Scarborough for us and we have never had much of a rivalry with them. Sure, the chance of crowd trouble would be there with these, but only because they're local, so we'd have a large enough mob and so would they.

Hull and Donny are rivals of ours, but that's more due to proximity than their Yorkshire nature.

The two Sheffield clubs and Barnsley used to bring anywhere between 2-5k fans at times and back in the late 70s early 80s that was pretty uncommon at BP. The other clubs you mentioned seldom mustered a few hundred so deemed not worthy at the time.

Rivalries grow and wane over time. When I started going in the early 90s Hull was definitely the main rivals. After Fenty took charge we ended up having more rivalries with the minnows of Scunny and Lincoln. My guess is that going forward Lincoln will be are main rival as we will play them a fair amount. Scunny will be involved in regional and part-time football soon so they will drop off our radar (might become a rival for Cleethorpes in a few years!) Hull will probably become a boomerang club between the championship and premiership.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

As a Scunny fan, I am curious as to why there is so much animosity to Yorkshire as a whole from you lot?

I understand that during your Div One days the likes of Barnsley and the Sheffield clubs would have been regular fixtures, but so were York, Halifax and Scarborough for us and we have never had much of a rivalry with them. Sure, the chance of crowd trouble would be there with these, but only because they're local, so we'd have a large enough mob and so would they.

Hull and Donny are rivals of ours, but that's more due to proximity than their Yorkshire nature.

If you live in a tourist area in Lincolnshire you start to get sick of Yorkies very quickly during the summer months. Generally loud, often obnoxious and with a stupid accent.

How do you know someone's from Yorkshire? They'll tell you.

Quoted from ncfc_chalky

You haven't got a Premier League club a few hundred yards away to compete with either

But you don't compete with them, and pretty much never have

Quoted from mariner91

If you live in a tourist area in Lincolnshire you start to get sick of Yorkies very quickly during the summer months. Generally loud, often obnoxious and with a stupid accent.

How do you know someone's from Yorkshire? They'll tell you.

Yeah, the issue is the typical demographic of those Yorkshire folk who visit Cleethorpes in the summer, or who are inclined to take a British seaside holiday in general. You get a very distorted and negative view of the county which is not really fair.

I’m married to a Yorkshire girl (albeit leafy North Yorkshire), have lived in Yorkshire for the last 16 years and my two children, having been born and raised in Leeds, are by definition Yorkies (though they have, thus far, largely avoided a Leeds accident in part, I think, due to my dulcet Grimbarian tones).

It’s a lovely part of the world for the most part and likely to be our home for the foreseeable future. Not everyone here is a bolshy, morbidly obese bell end with an accent straight out of Kes.

But when that’s all you tend to see in Meggies in the summer, it’s understandable that a degree of anti-Yorkshire sentiment prevails.

Quoted from coddy60

But you don't compete with them, and pretty much never have

That's a ridiculous thing to say,we compete with them every single season for bums on seats especially the younger supporter who you hope will get the bug,what school kid would rather travel to Dorking for an away game than go to watch Forest at home against a Premier League side?

Quoted from ncfc_chalky

You haven't got a Premier League club a few hundred yards away to compete with either

For now

Quoted from ncfc_chalky

So if Forest didn't exist then you think that Notts home support would be the same as it is now then?

Again, that's not relevant. We have a much better away following as a % of our home support than you do. Doesn't matter what the starting figure is.

Quoted from ncfc_chalky

So if Forest didn't exist then you think that Notts home support would be the same as it is now then?

If Forest didnt exist then you would bemoaning the problems of having "Bigger" clubs on you door step like Leicester , Derby , Coventry  Alferton  Burton

Quoted from Brazilnut

If Forest didnt exist then you would bemoaning the problems of having "Bigger" clubs on you door step like Leicester , Derby , Coventry  Alferton  Burton

If Nottingham was a one club city then I doubt that Notts would be in the NL with the money that 20,000 extra supporters would bring,with the exception of Leicester I would say that Notts would be bigger than those anyway

Quoted from ncfc_chalky

If Nottingham was a one club city then I doubt that Notts would be in the NL with the money that 20,000 extra supporters would bring,with the exception of Leicester I would say that Notts would be bigger than those anyway

Exposed yourself as nothing more than a common troll there, as there's absolutely no way anyone in their right mind would ever think Notts are bigger than Derby or Cov.

Quoted from Son of Cod

Exposed yourself as nothing more than a common troll there, as there's absolutely no way anyone in their right mind would ever think Notts are bigger than Derby or Cov.

Or Alfreton.

Considering Nottinghamshire county are the oldest official football league team, they don’t have a lot of supporters considering they had a head start

Quoted from Son of Cod

Exposed yourself as nothing more than a common troll there, as there's absolutely no way anyone in their right mind would ever think Notts are bigger than Derby or Cov.

You are missing the point,I wasn't saying that Notts are bigger than Derby or Coventry

Lee Hodges Burger:  Scunny can’t have crowd trouble until they have a crowd.  

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

Lee Hodges Burger:  Scunny can’t have crowd trouble until they have a crowd.  

Their definition of crownfunder actually means they pay them to watch

Quoted from JudeKinsella

I am a student at Loughborough University working in collaboration with the University of Massachusetts, to help research rivalries in the English Football League. The Know Rivalry project is seeking to learn more about the psychological, cultural and commercial effects of football rivalries in the UK.

The views of Mariners could be used to support the marketing and broadcasting of the club, especially in the build-up to games against rivals. At the moment we're focusing on who you view as your rivals in League 2 and above, so Scunthorpe couldn't be selected as a rival for example. However, your views on other EFL clubs would be recognised and provide data on what games Grimsby fans look forward to most.

As an AFC Wimbledon fan, I am pleased to have been given the task of collecting data on League 2 clubs this season and it would be greatly appreciated if you could share your views using the following link: [url]https://umassamherst.co1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_3FdJ8eN2EgFCfCB?collID=10&grpID=1424[/url]

Feel free to ask any questions.
Thanks, Jude.

Follow-up on this - So far, Grimsby is seen as a rival by mostly Lincoln, Doncaster and Mansfield respondents, if you're interested. Link will be working for another few weeks if you are keen to share your views. Cheers, Jude