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Papa John's Trophy.

The game is available to Live Stream in the UK for £10 on RamsTV so I wonder if Mariners TV will follow suit?

Aargh it's hard to say this but I won't be paying to watch the trophy.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Papa John's Trophy.

The game is available to Live Stream in the UK for £10 on RamsTV so I wonder if Mariners TV will follow suit?

It's only £10 a ticket, so that seems a bit steep to me.

The EFL stream the match. You can watch it on iFollow or any EFL clubs own TV/Streaming platform. So yes it will be available on Mariiners TV.

Don't forget it's 7 pm kick off

Included in my international season pass so I'll be watching. Not sure I'd pay if it wasn't though.

Included in my pass too, I won’t boost their viewing numbers though

If you're going to watch it tomorrow. Steal it and spend a tenner in club shop. Don't legitimise this nonsense competition.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

If you're going to watch it tomorrow. Steal it and spend a tenner in club shop. Don't legitimise this nonsense competition.

And your solution to the EFL Trophy problem?

Quoted from GollyGTFC

And your solution to the EFL Trophy problem?

Chuck the b teams out and keep it in regionalised groups.

Shoot, I have an audition for  blackadder

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Chuck the b teams out and keep it in regionalised groups.

I would rather have teams from the National league instead of B teams. Why can't the U'23 have a they own league and play the same fixtures as the Premiership ie Everton play Liverpool the U'23 play before the first teams. Like in the Hundred in cricket the women play first followed by the man.

I’ll just tell the missus I’ve saved a tenner tomorrow by not watching

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Chuck the b teams out and keep it in regionalised groups.

There's no B teams in it if there is show me where you idiot

What a charmer. The u23 teams are B Teams

Quoted from The Yard Dog

I would rather have teams from the National league instead of B teams. Why can't the U'23 have a they own league and play the same fixtures as the Premiership ie Everton play Liverpool the U'23 play before the first teams. Like in the Hundred in cricket the women play first followed by the man.

I seem to remember conference teams being in it, tony crane and morecambe ring a bell, don’t know why it changed.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Chuck the b teams out and keep it in regionalised groups.

And when the PL cut the funding they provide for the B teams to enter what happens to the EFL Trophy when it is financial nonviable like it was in 2016? NB. it's part of the solidarity payment agreement, The agreement that gives each L2 club just over £600,000 a season from the PL when the EFL's own TV deal only provides L2 clubs with around £450,000 a season.

And when Sky Sports turn to the EFL and say "if we don't get the EFL Trophy Semi-Finals and Final to broadcast we're renegotiating our TV deal" what happens then? Even a 5% drop in TV revenue would be damaging.

And when the PL then decide to further punish the EFL for reneging on the EFL Trophy funding deal by pulling all their clubs out of the EFL Cup what happens then?

And when you realise that an estimated 75% to 80% of the value of the Sky/EFL TV deal is from the EFL Cup rather than the league matches what happens to the TV income for the 72?

So by the "EFL standing up to PL" you'll see everyone's income go down and the EFL Trophy more than likely abolished which would then be used as an excuse to either pull all the Premier League clubs, or at least the 7 or 8 playing in UEFA Club Competitions each season, out of the EFL Cup. And that would destroy the EFL TV deal and mean multiple clubs in serious financial difficulties because of the huge drop in turnover that would bring. Which would mean the EFL would have to go cap in hand to the PL begging for increased solidarity payments. And what do you think the PL would want in return for more money/a bail-out?

Is getting under 21 clubs out of a trophy nobody cared about pre-2016 unless their club got to the last 8 really worth all that?

The answer is "no", which is why all the clubs in L1 & L2 reluctantly accept it for what it is.

So they aren't B teams they are u23 teams

It says u21 in the bbc fixtures

Quoted from The Yard Dog

I would rather have teams from the National league instead of B teams. Why can't the U'23 have a they own league and play the same fixtures as the Premiership ie Everton play Liverpool the U'23 play before the first teams. Like in the Hundred in cricket the women play first followed by the man.

They were in the competition at least in 2005/06 as we drew at home to Morecambe when they were in the Conference and lost on penalties.

They should have the standard league system.
The FA cup.
The league cup / non league trophy.

That's it.

B teams is an acceptable name for the under 21 and under 23 sides as those teams replaced the reserves at the elite level. And despite the age category titles clubs are allowed to play over age players. For example 35-year-old Tom Huddleston is player-coach for Man Utd under 23s.

How do I buy a match pass for tonight’s game? It says on Mariners TV FAQs that all Papa Johns fixtures can be purchased for £10 on a game by game basis (other than the semi final and final). However I can’t figure out how to do this. Does anyone have a link please?

Quoted from Mariner56

How do I buy a match pass for tonight’s game? It says on Mariners TV FAQs that all Papa Johns fixtures can be purchased for £10 on a game by game basis (other than the semi final and final). However I can’t figure out how to do this. Does anyone have a link please?

You will probably have to wait till the office opens, as they normally put a link on Town website or Mariners TV. It's been a bank holiday weekend so that is more than likely the reason for the delay.

Quoted from Mariner Ronnie

I seem to remember conference teams being in it, tony crane and morecambe ring a bell, don’t know why it changed.

I bet that ball is still in orbit.

Quoted from DB

You will probably have to wait till the office opens, as they normally put a link on Town website or Mariners TV. It's been a bank holiday weekend so that is more than likely the reason for the delay.

Ok thanks, that makes sense!

Quoted from Mariner Ronnie

I seem to remember conference teams being in it, tony crane and morecambe ring a bell, don’t know why it changed.

Now you mention it, I seem to remember this.  I don't think it was all of them, just a few to make up the numbers?

Quoted from GollyGTFC

And when the PL cut the funding they provide for the B teams to enter what happens to the EFL Trophy when it is financial nonviable like it was in 2016? NB. it's part of the solidarity payment agreement, The agreement that gives each L2 club just over £600,000 a season from the PL when the EFL's own TV deal only provides L2 clubs with around £450,000 a season.

And when Sky Sports turn to the EFL and say "if we don't get the EFL Trophy Semi-Finals and Final to broadcast we're renegotiating our TV deal" what happens then? Even a 5% drop in TV revenue would be damaging.

And when the PL then decide to further punish the EFL for reneging on the EFL Trophy funding deal by pulling all their clubs out of the EFL Cup what happens then?

And when you realise that an estimated 75% to 80% of the value of the Sky/EFL TV deal is from the EFL Cup rather than the league matches what happens to the TV income for the 72?

So by the "EFL standing up to PL" you'll see everyone's income go down and the EFL Trophy more than likely abolished which would then be used as an excuse to either pull all the Premier League clubs, or at least the 7 or 8 playing in UEFA Club Competitions each season, out of the EFL Cup. And that would destroy the EFL TV deal and mean multiple clubs in serious financial difficulties because of the huge drop in turnover that would bring. Which would mean the EFL would have to go cap in hand to the PL begging for increased solidarity payments. And what do you think the PL would want in return for more money/a bail-out?

Is getting under 21 clubs out of a trophy nobody cared about pre-2016 unless their club got to the last 8 really worth all that?

The answer is "no", which is why all the clubs in L1 & L2 reluctantly accept it for what it is.

Football existed and survived quite well before the Premier League.  If the Premier League went down the route of cutting funding, the EFL clubs would have to adjust and cut their cloths appropriately.  

A closed shop Premier League would be of more harm short term to the Premier League than it would the Football League clubs.  

Quoted from Mariner56

How do I buy a match pass for tonight’s game? It says on Mariners TV FAQs that all Papa Johns fixtures can be purchased for £10 on a game by game basis (other than the semi final and final). However I can’t figure out how to do this. Does anyone have a link please?

can purchase online now - GTFC

Quoted from GollyGTFC

And when the PL cut the funding they provide for the B teams to enter what happens to the EFL Trophy when it is financial nonviable like it was in 2016? NB. it's part of the solidarity payment agreement, The agreement that gives each L2 club just over £600,000 a season from the PL when the EFL's own TV deal only provides L2 clubs with around £450,000 a season.

And when Sky Sports turn to the EFL and say "if we don't get the EFL Trophy Semi-Finals and Final to broadcast we're renegotiating our TV deal" what happens then? Even a 5% drop in TV revenue would be damaging.

And when the PL then decide to further punish the EFL for reneging on the EFL Trophy funding deal by pulling all their clubs out of the EFL Cup what happens then?

And when you realise that an estimated 75% to 80% of the value of the Sky/EFL TV deal is from the EFL Cup rather than the league matches what happens to the TV income for the 72?

So by the "EFL standing up to PL" you'll see everyone's income go down and the EFL Trophy more than likely abolished which would then be used as an excuse to either pull all the Premier League clubs, or at least the 7 or 8 playing in UEFA Club Competitions each season, out of the EFL Cup. And that would destroy the EFL TV deal and mean multiple clubs in serious financial difficulties because of the huge drop in turnover that would bring. Which would mean the EFL would have to go cap in hand to the PL begging for increased solidarity payments. And what do you think the PL would want in return for more money/a bail-out?

Is getting under 21 clubs out of a trophy nobody cared about pre-2016 unless their club got to the last 8 really worth all that?

The answer is "no", which is why all the clubs in L1 & L2 reluctantly accept it for what it is.

Long term we have to have a fairer deal for lower league football. We can't get this by rolling over to the big clubs every time they wave a few quid in front of us.

Make no mistake they want our place in the pyramid for their reserves. If people start accepting this competition, non league and league 1 and 2 will be next.  

shame really, as i like thr group format and if the u23's wernt in it, i'd go see us play Derby tonight

But those higher up the ladder have made this competition a farce and although i Know the u23's are here to stay, it wont get my support

Completely agree with many peoples feelings towards the competition and understand many are choosing to boycott - completely fine and understandable, I hate the u23 aspect myself as well as to me it's the thin end of the wedge. However for reasons I actually haven't quite worked out myself yet, I have bought a pass and will be watching it. Possibly has something to do with being exiled and wanting any fix of town I can get  

Watching the game doesn't mean you support the format. Just as not watching it doesn't mean you don't support Town. Everyone is entitled to display their disagreement in their own way. Hopefully we all continue to respect that and don't see a return to some of the stuff we saw (from a small minority) a couple of years ago with people being criticised for attending or watching.

Quoted from golfer

can purchase online now - GTFC

Great!
All sorted now thanks

Quoted from GollyGTFC

And when the PL cut the funding they provide for the B teams to enter what happens to the EFL Trophy when it is financial nonviable like it was in 2016? NB. it's part of the solidarity payment agreement, The agreement that gives each L2 club just over £600,000 a season from the PL when the EFL's own TV deal only provides L2 clubs with around £450,000 a season.

And when Sky Sports turn to the EFL and say "if we don't get the EFL Trophy Semi-Finals and Final to broadcast we're renegotiating our TV deal" what happens then? Even a 5% drop in TV revenue would be damaging.

And when the PL then decide to further punish the EFL for reneging on the EFL Trophy funding deal by pulling all their clubs out of the EFL Cup what happens then?

And when you realise that an estimated 75% to 80% of the value of the Sky/EFL TV deal is from the EFL Cup rather than the league matches what happens to the TV income for the 72?

So by the "EFL standing up to PL" you'll see everyone's income go down and the EFL Trophy more than likely abolished which would then be used as an excuse to either pull all the Premier League clubs, or at least the 7 or 8 playing in UEFA Club Competitions each season, out of the EFL Cup. And that would destroy the EFL TV deal and mean multiple clubs in serious financial difficulties because of the huge drop in turnover that would bring. Which would mean the EFL would have to go cap in hand to the PL begging for increased solidarity payments. And what do you think the PL would want in return for more money/a bail-out?

Is getting under 21 clubs out of a trophy nobody cared about pre-2016 unless their club got to the last 8 really worth all that?

The answer is "no", which is why all the clubs in L1 & L2 reluctantly accept it for what it is.

Right so clubs and fans are currently being blackmailed into accepting B Teams and have to cheer along and clap their hands to avoid being punished financially down the line. Almost as if it’s the thin end of the wedge all along.

Would like to see in black & white where it says the solidarity payments and TV deals are contingent on allowing B Teams into the pizza cup, gotta say it sounds like something you’ve made up.  

I don’t think anyone would shed a tear if this dogshít competition become “financially unviable”. How long do fans have to wait and continue to be backed into a corner by the money men before they’re allowed to take a stand?

The only reason the European Super League didn’t go ahead was because it was reputationally toxic to the big 6 - the aim of the original boycott was to do the same to all Prem clubs competing as well as the competition, organisers and sponsors.

People should keep up whatever pressure they can to really show this competition up as a farce, including boycotts and speaking out against it in whatever forum they can. Otherwise in a few years you’ll still be wittering on about how we’re going to find the money that the clubs will lose if we don’t accept Prem B teams in the league.  

So if we get to the final at Wembley will you go?

Think a lot will !

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

So if we get to the final at Wembley will you go?

Think a lot will !

It's a no from me.

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

So if we get to the final at Wembley will you go?

Think a lot will !

No, my principles don't change depending on the venue. Grimsby Town are a legitimate football club and our first team playing anything other than Derby County's first team in anything other than a friendly undermines that.

Quoted from bedders78

No, my principles don't change depending on the venue. Grimsby Town are a legitimate football club and our first team playing anything other than Derby County's first team in anything other than a friendly undermines that.

I’m personally completely with you on this, but I would concede that it’s easier to take such a stance when the situation is hypothetical and some way from becoming a reality.

However, consider a scenario whereby, six months down the line, we’re in the top 3 of League Two and we’ve reached the final at Wembley where we’ll face an out of sorts and bottom of League One Lincoln.

That’s a fairly extreme scenario I know, and I’m not saying it would necessarily change my stance, but I think it’s reasonable to suggest it might begin to tickle the sense of temptation for many if the right set of circumstances were to materialise.

The ideal scenario for me is that we don’t get there so that it simply never becomes a dilemma.

Personally I think the time for boycotting this competition is over, and we need to accept it for what it is. Things move on in football and you have to move with changing times.

I also think there are positives to be gained from the competition, which is why I will continue to support it. One of those positives is the chance for our management teams to try other things themselves and other players. But a big one for me is that it also gives our management team the chance to see youth team players coming through at Premier League and Championship clubs and to build opportunities for loans and future signings. You cannot underestimate that opportunity to network, and we've seen already how valuable relationships can be in forming solid routes to get loan players in.

I do not see it as a serious threat, and I don't think there will ever come a day where we see changes to the EFL to introduce Premier League B teams. So in summary, I'm happy with it now, whereas previously I was on the fence.

I appreciate your post DaleH and actually reading it makes me see a few positives from the other side of the coin. But for me I still don't think having B teams in is a good idea...
Regionalise it all the way to the finals then the winner of South plays the winner of the north... keep it for championship to league 2 or just for league 1 + 2. Whatever you like.

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

So if we get to the final at Wembley will you go?

Think a lot will !

Couldn’t think of anything worse.

Quoted from DaleH

I do not see it as a serious threat, and I don't think there will ever come a day where we see changes to the EFL to introduce Premier League B teams. So in summary, I'm happy with it now, whereas previously I was on the fence.

I can't agree, it was only six years ago that the EFL tried to bring forward its 'Whole Game Solution' that would have introduced a 'League 3' with some Premier League B Teams involved. It was only scrapped because the FA refused to move Cup games to Tuesday nights.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sp.....up-ties-midweek.html

There is absolutely a wedge here and I personally won't be supporting the competition while there are B teams involved, which is a shame as I like the regionalised group format. Others are free to support it if they wish.

I'll be watching tonight because I want to

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

So if we get to the final at Wembley will you go?

Think a lot will !

V Lincoln

Quoted from DaleH

Personally I think the time for boycotting this competition is over, and we need to accept it for what it is. Things move on in football and you have to move with changing times.

I also think there are positives to be gained from the competition, which is why I will continue to support it. One of those positives is the chance for our management teams to try other things themselves and other players. But a big one for me is that it also gives our management team the chance to see youth team players coming through at Premier League and Championship clubs and to build opportunities for loans and future signings. You cannot underestimate that opportunity to network, and we've seen already how valuable relationships can be in forming solid routes to get loan players in.

I do not see it as a serious threat, and I don't think there will ever come a day where we see changes to the EFL to introduce Premier League B teams. So in summary, I'm happy with it now, whereas previously I was on the fence.

And this is how it happens. Slowly but surely, over a period of time, people get used to something and find it easier to accept. The wedge is driven home and a once hated idea becomes the norm.

I’d like to watch but it’s not working for overseas again 😫

This Mariners TV is shite I’ve still not managed to see one game yet

Quoted from ska face

Right so clubs and fans are currently being blackmailed into accepting B Teams and have to cheer along and clap their hands to avoid being punished financially down the line. Almost as if it’s the thin end of the wedge all along.

Would like to see in black & white where it says the solidarity payments and TV deals are contingent on allowing B Teams into the pizza cup, gotta say it sounds like something you’ve made up.  

THERES NO B TEAMS THEY ARE U21 TEAMS ANOTHER IDIOT THAT CANT READ 🤣🤣🤣😜

I don’t think anyone would shed a tear if this dogshít competition become “financially unviable”. How long do fans have to wait and continue to be backed into a corner by the money men before they’re allowed to take a stand?

The only reason the European Super League didn’t go ahead was because it was reputationally toxic to the big 6 - the aim of the original boycott was to do the same to all Prem clubs competing as well as the competition, organisers and sponsors.

People should keep up whatever pressure they can to really show this competition up as a farce, including boycotts and speaking out against it in whatever forum they can. Otherwise in a few years you’ll still be wittering on about how we’re going to find the money that the clubs will lose if we don’t accept Prem B teams in the league.  

Quoted from ska face

Right so clubs and fans are currently being blackmailed into accepting B Teams and have to cheer along and clap their hands to avoid being punished financially down the line. Almost as if it’s the thin end of the wedge all along.

Would like to see in black & white where it says the solidarity payments and TV deals are contingent on allowing B Teams into the pizza cup, gotta say it sounds like something you’ve made up.  

THERES NO B TEAMS THEY ARE U21 TEAMS ANOTHER IDIOT THAT CANT READ 🤣🤣🤣😜

I don’t think anyone would shed a tear if this dogshít competition become “financially unviable”. How long do fans have to wait and continue to be backed into a corner by the money men before they’re allowed to take a stand?

The only reason the European Super League didn’t go ahead was because it was reputationally toxic to the big 6 - the aim of the original boycott was to do the same to all Prem clubs competing as well as the competition, organisers and sponsors.

People should keep up whatever pressure they can to really show this competition up as a farce, including boycotts and speaking out against it in whatever forum they can. Otherwise in a few years you’ll still be wittering on about how we’re going to find the money that the clubs will lose if we don’t accept Prem B teams in the league.  

Do you want another try?

Trying to use this game as a dry run for hopefully getting future games streaming to my TV as simply as possible. I was planning to use my iPad Pro to Airplay directly to my Apple TV, however whilst my iPhone seems to allow that function quite easily, the video on my iPad doesn’t seem to give me that option.

As a workaround, I’ve tried streaming from Chrome on my iPhone then using Safari to browse sites (such as the Fishy, and most definitely not anything filthy) during the game. This works ok, however things like the video ads present on the Fishy play automatically and interrupt the stream.

Anyone more tech savvy than I have a good solution?

Quoted from Poojah

Trying to use this game as a dry run for hopefully getting future games streaming to my TV as simply as possible. I was planning to use my iPad Pro to Airplay directly to my Apple TV, however whilst my iPhone seems to allow that function quite easily, the video on my iPad doesn’t seem to give me that option.

As a workaround, I’ve tried streaming from Chrome on my iPhone then using Safari to browse sites (such as the Fishy, and most definitely not anything filthy) during the game. This works ok, however things like the video ads present on the Fishy play automatically and interrupt the stream.

Anyone more tech savvy than I have a good solution?

Most definitely nothing that’s second rate or Scandinavian 😉

Quoted from Poojah

Trying to use this game as a dry run for hopefully getting future games streaming to my TV as simply as possible. I was planning to use my iPad Pro to Airplay directly to my Apple TV, however whilst my iPhone seems to allow that function quite easily, the video on my iPad doesn’t seem to give me that option.

As a workaround, I’ve tried streaming from Chrome on my iPhone then using Safari to browse sites (such as the Fishy, and most definitely not anything filthy) during the game. This works ok, however things like the video ads present on the Fishy play automatically and interrupt the stream.

Anyone more tech savvy than I have a good solution?

HDMI cable from laptop to TV, change TV source to HDMI port you've connected cable to on TV, simples.

Get a Chromecast and mirror it from your phone  that way 🤫

Quoted from promotion plaice

HDMI cable from laptop to TV, change TV source to HDMI port you've connected cable to on TV, simples.

Yeah, I did that in the past with iFollow when it wasn’t possible to stream easily, but my TV is built into the wall with a built in cabinet which wraps around and I wanted something a little more straightforward and elegant that didn’t involve messing about with cables.

I assumed my iPad would work as it’s easy peasy from an iPhone (notwithstanding the issues mentioned), but apparently not.

Has anybody had any "buffering" issues whilst watching MarinersTV? I never have a problem with anything else I stream!

Mine buffered quite a lot and I do not illegally stream I promise.

Quoted from bedders78

No, my principles don't change depending on the venue. Grimsby Town are a legitimate football club and our first team playing anything other than Derby County's first team in anything other than a friendly undermines that.

Man City are the B team in our group, Derby are just shit these days!

Quoted from Poojah

Trying to use this game as a dry run for hopefully getting future games streaming to my TV as simply as possible. I was planning to use my iPad Pro to Airplay directly to my Apple TV, however whilst my iPhone seems to allow that function quite easily, the video on my iPad doesn’t seem to give me that option.

As a workaround, I’ve tried streaming from Chrome on my iPhone then using Safari to browse sites (such as the Fishy, and most definitely not anything filthy) during the game. This works ok, however things like the video ads present on the Fishy play automatically and interrupt the stream.

Anyone more tech savvy than I have a good solution?

If you use Firefox mobile you can use a few extensions like AdBlock or uBlock origin.

For your iPad, do you have Chromecast or Android TV? I'm not sure how AirPlay works as I don't use Apple stuff.

Quoted from MarinerDevil

If you use Firefox mobile you can use a few extensions like AdBlock or uBlock origin.

For your iPad, do you have Chromecast or Android TV? I'm not sure how AirPlay works as I don't use Apple stuff.

Thanks. I managed to find a workaround on my iPhone using an Ad Blocker. Won’t allow me watch any, err…artistic films during the game if it gets a bit dull but I’ll be able to browse the Fishy.

That’s an altogether more challenging wánk but I’ll make it work…

Quoted from DaleH

Personally I think the time for boycotting this competition is over, and we need to accept it for what it is. Things move on in football and you have to move with changing times.

I also think there are positives to be gained from the competition, which is why I will continue to support it. One of those positives is the chance for our management teams to try other things themselves and other players. But a big one for me is that it also gives our management team the chance to see youth team players coming through at Premier League and Championship clubs and to build opportunities for loans and future signings. You cannot underestimate that opportunity to network, and we've seen already how valuable relationships can be in forming solid routes to get loan players in.

I do not see it as a serious threat, and I don't think there will ever come a day where we see changes to the EFL to introduce Premier League B teams. So in summary, I'm happy with it now, whereas previously I was on the fence.

Entitled to your opinion of course but pretty disappointing to read that roll over and take it viewpoint from someone that was heavily involved in grassroots football. You've heard of scouts I assume?

The reason these big clubs are in this god foresaken competition to begin with is through their sheer greed, hoovering up all the talent from lower league academies and then holding onto them until they're 23/24+, starving them of the development they would otherwise have by playing in the first teams of the clubs they were poached from to begin with. They then chuck those same clubs a bone to help them sort out the mess they created to begin with. You don't see a problem with that? And they will take more if they're allowed to. Thin end of the wedge, mission creep, death by a thousand cuts, whatever you want to call it, same outcome.

It's an insult that Grimsby Town, nevermind your Sheffield Wednesdays, are playing what are B teams in all but name, in a competitive fixture, because of the unfettered greed of those same clubs. NO, NO, NO. One more time for those at the back- NO!

Quoted from diehardmariner

Football existed and survived quite well before the Premier League.  If the Premier League went down the route of cutting funding, the EFL clubs would have to adjust and cut their cloths appropriately.  

A closed shop Premier League would be of more harm short term to the Premier League than it would the Football League clubs.  

It would never happen, but it really wouldn't. A closed shop Premier League would instantly put most Championship clubs into administration because the owners fund losses based on the Premier League dream. It would be the death of the EFL and the Premier League would carry on as normal.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Long term we have to have a fairer deal for lower league football. We can't get this by rolling over to the big clubs every time they wave a few quid in front of us.

Make no mistake they want our place in the pyramid for their reserves. If people start accepting this competition, non league and league 1 and 2 will be next.  

They really don't want their reserves teams in the EFL though. What they want is to be able to hoover up all the talent without having to compensate fairly. They've already put a system in that is weighted hugely in favour of them over smaller clubs. They want to take that further.

Do you know how much money Chelsea & Man City have made by loaning their under 23 players out to clubs in Europe? Why would the Premier League end that cash cow. Chelsea won't make that sort of money by keeping all those players and playing them in reserve games in L1 or L2 at Kingsmeadow,

The future structure of English football is up for debate. Why waste any time and effort on the EFL Trophy when that is the least of everybody's worries?

Quoted from GollyGTFC

The future structure of English football is up for debate. Why waste any time and effort on the EFL Trophy when that is the least of everybody's worries?

It's the one area where I can make my voice heard and my attendance or absence is felt

Quoted from bedders78

It's the one area where I can make my voice heard and my attendance or absence is felt

The attendances for group games between the 48 proper teams are no lower than they were before the old group stage was abolished before the 1996-97 season when the competition became a straight knock-out. The attendances were the reason the group stage.was abolished back then. That was the stupidest thing about the 2016 alterations- introducing something that had already failed once.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

The attendances for group games between the 48 proper teams are no lower than they were before the old group stage was abolished before the 1996-97 season when the competition became a straight knock-out. The attendances were the reason the group stage.was abolished back then. That was the stupidest thing about the 2016 alterations- introducing something that had already failed once.

Comparing the attendances now with the mid-90s is as relevant as comparing the attendances in the late 50s with the mid 80s. You, I and everyone else knows the attendance figures would be much higher in games between the 48 if it wasn't for the presence of the PL teams in the competition. The problem isn't the format. Trying to use stats to prove the opposite is tantamount to fake news

Quoted from GollyGTFC

And when the PL cut the funding they provide for the B teams to enter what happens to the EFL Trophy when it is financial nonviable like it was in 2016? NB. it's part of the solidarity payment agreement, The agreement that gives each L2 club just over £600,000 a season from the PL when the EFL's own TV deal only provides L2 clubs with around £450,000 a season.

And when Sky Sports turn to the EFL and say "if we don't get the EFL Trophy Semi-Finals and Final to broadcast we're renegotiating our TV deal" what happens then? Even a 5% drop in TV revenue would be damaging.

And when the PL then decide to further punish the EFL for reneging on the EFL Trophy funding deal by pulling all their clubs out of the EFL Cup what happens then?

And when you realise that an estimated 75% to 80% of the value of the Sky/EFL TV deal is from the EFL Cup rather than the league matches what happens to the TV income for the 72?

So by the "EFL standing up to PL" you'll see everyone's income go down and the EFL Trophy more than likely abolished which would then be used as an excuse to either pull all the Premier League clubs, or at least the 7 or 8 playing in UEFA Club Competitions each season, out of the EFL Cup. And that would destroy the EFL TV deal and mean multiple clubs in serious financial difficulties because of the huge drop in turnover that would bring. Which would mean the EFL would have to go cap in hand to the PL begging for increased solidarity payments. And what do you think the PL would want in return for more money/a bail-out?

Is getting under 21 clubs out of a trophy nobody cared about pre-2016 unless their club got to the last 8 really worth all that?

The answer is "no", which is why all the clubs in L1 & L2 reluctantly accept it for what it is.

I’d be willing to risk if to stand up against people like you who are willing to take one up the bottom to keep the PL happy . You should be ashamed of yourself.
There’s no way the PL will want to risk the pyramid as they rely on it for there wonderful competition to have any meaning .

*however I do realise that with the wave of US owners taking over the PL this may not have any relevance soon *

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They really don't want their reserves teams in the EFL though.

Pep has made no secret whatsoever that he wants Prem B/U23s teams in the EFL.