Stop - Think

To those of you on the Paul Hurst thread that are already moaning that Hurst is coming back. Please stop and think for a moment, what the hell are you doing.

Stop and think about the board mandate for consortium to agree a deal that gives John what he’s asked for, to agree terms, and then for them to participate in the urgent and timely appointment of a new manager.

If this is quite clearly what has happened, then approximately 30% of you are already taking issue with and moaning about the decision of the consortium in respect of their manager, even before the ink is set on the share sale agreement. Incidentally, the choice of managers being the singlemost criticism fans have had of John Fenty over the years. The primary key in unlocking success or failure during his tenure. Please stop it now, as the consortium won’t stand for it and might easily not complete on the sale if they already feel the heat of your angst.

To those of you that are on that thread, happy with the appointment of Paul Hurst. Are you happy that this is a consortium appointment? Because if it isn’t, then it’s a John Fenty appointment. Which it is anyway when you think about it, as he holds the purse strings presently. Do you really think John would appoint a manager mid sale, that he wouldn’t be happy with should the sale fall over before completion? No he wouldn’t. So essentially 70% of you are backing a John Fenty decision, made under his stewardship.

So is there a moral to this story. Clearly there is and as you read this, you will realise that you sit in one of the two camps above. And you really can’t have it both ways. What is abundantly clear is that no matter who owns the club, they will never be clear of the continuous scrutiny, criticism and vitriol that has long since been a pandemic amongst those that support Grimsby Town Football Club. In summary, to me we have a problem, a disease like condition that can be summed up and described in one word.... “GRIMSBY”.

How do you feel about the takeover Fillipe Noche ?

Is this your “Shut up” moment?

Quoted from promotion plaice

How do you feel about the takeover Fillipe Noche ?

Are you referring to the takeover or to the appointment of Paul Hurst?

Hello Mr (k)night.

Thought you had left with your tail between your legs.

I’m pretty sure Mr Hurst would not be coming unless he was sure it wasn’t under Mr Fenty’s tenure. A strength and conditioning coach doesn’t get you 3 points on a Saturday remember.

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

Are you referring to the takeover or to the appointment of Paul Hurst?

The takeover.

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

To those of you on the Paul Hurst thread that are already moaning that Hurst is coming back. Please stop and think for a moment, what the hell are you doing.

Stop and think about the board mandate for consortium to agree a deal that gives John what he’s asked for, to agree terms, and then for them to participate in the urgent and timely appointment of a new manager.

If this is quite clearly what has happened, then approximately 30% of you are already taking issue with and moaning about the decision of the consortium in respect of their manager, even before the ink is set on the share sale agreement. Incidentally, the choice of managers being the singlemost criticism fans have had of John Fenty over the years. The primary key in unlocking success or failure during his tenure. Please stop it now, as the consortium won’t stand for it and might easily not complete on the sale if they already feel the heat of your angst.

To those of you that are on that thread, happy with the appointment of Paul Hurst. Are you happy that this is a consortium appointment? Because if it isn’t, then it’s a John Fenty appointment. Which it is anyway when you think about it, as he holds the purse strings presently. Do you really think John would appoint a manager mid sale, that he wouldn’t be happy with should the sale fall over before completion? No he wouldn’t. So essentially 70% of you are backing a John Fenty decision, made under his stewardship.

So is there a moral to this story. Clearly there is and as you read this, you will realise that you sit in one of the two camps above. And you really can’t have it both ways. What is abundantly clear is that no matter who owns the club, they will never be clear of the continuous scrutiny, criticism and vitriol that has long since been a pandemic amongst those that support Grimsby Town Football Club. In summary, to me we have a problem, a disease or condition that can be summed up and described in one word.... “GRIMSBY”.

i'm seriously becoming worried about you.

If you are here as a troll and for a giggle, carry on mate.

If you happen to be on the board and spitting your dummy out, please reach out for help, because the fact you've come on a FANS forum, under a weird name, is a major sign of problems to me....

Your 24-hour stand in defence of Fenty on Monday had the desired effect, so do carry on...

I think you need some time away from your keyboard mate. Go out for a walk or something.

Get back to looking after johns lawns and lint rollering his snooker table .  

Enoch Fli Pile. Thats an anagram of your made up name. I like it better.

Quoted from promotion plaice

The takeover.

As I said a day or so ago, I am very happy for it to happen with the caveats I’ve highlighted. Those caveats being that they support the club financially as well as what John Fenty has done.

I don’t want the club having to pay them monthly repayments of capital and interest on the loans, as I know the business model doesn’t make that viable. I don’t want them switching the loans to financial institutions, even if they underwrite those loans with their own security. I want to continue with benign loans of goodwill, where we continue to be no longer under the scrutiny of banks and financial institutions.

I don’t imagine for a moment that any new stadium or regeneration programme will be under the ownership of Grimsby Town Football Club. I’m confident that this will be their own external investments through other business vehicles. I’m comfortable with that given that as a club we will enjoy the use of these facilities. Comfortable that is, as long as the consortium continues to keep the football club remaining debt free with their financial support like John has.

So I’m fairly pragmatic and agreeable to it as long as it is what it needs to be.

Hope that answers your question thoroughly

Obviously people  are going to have different opinions,  its part of the human condition for different people to think differently on the same subject. I understand those who have reservations about Hurst, but personally I think it's a good appointment, I would have preferred Alexander but Hurst is just fine.

On that point I'm glad you've stuck around, wouldn't it be boring if we all thought the same way!

As for this nonsense at the end about Town fans you will find an element of this up and down the country at all football clubs. GTFC does not suffer from this 'condition' as you call it, excessively worse than at any club I have experience of. Where I live in Swansea elements of the fans share those characteristics you point out, however in my experience the vast majority  of supporters at all clubs, support (both financially and emotionally) and are supportive at games by default. Sometimes that support conflicts with what owners or managers are doing and emotions do get the better of some people. It's far from a pandemic though which is a very melodramatic way to put it.

Most importantly we've got a fresh start UTM

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

As I said a day or so ago, I am very happy for it to happen with the caveats I’ve highlighted. Those caveats being that they support the club financially as well as what John Fenty has done.

I don’t want the club having to pay them monthly repayments of capital and interest on the loans, as I know the business model doesn’t make that viable. I don’t want them switching the loans to financial institutions, even if they underwrite those loans with their own security. I want to continue with benign loans of goodwill, where we continue to be no longer under the scrutiny of banks and financial institutions.

I don’t imagine for a moment that any new stadium or regeneration programme will be under the ownership of Grimsby Town Football Club. I’m confident that this will be their own external investments through other business vehicles. I’m comfortable with that given that as a club we will enjoy the use of these facilities. Comfortable that is, as long as the consortium continues to keep the football club remaining debt free with their financial support like John has.

So I’m fairly pragmatic and agreeable to it as long as it is what it needs to be.

Hope that answers your question thoroughly

Thanks for your reply.

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

Obviously people  are going to have different opinions,  its part of the human condition for different people to think differently on the same subject. I understand those who have reservations about Hurst, but personally I think it's a good appointment, I would have preferred Alexander but Hurst is just fine.

On that point I'm glad you've stuck around, wouldn't it be boring if we all thought the same way!

As for this nonsense at the end about Town fans you will find an element of this up and down the country at all football clubs. GTFC does not suffer from this 'condition' as you call it, excessively worse than at any club I have experience of. Where I live in Swansea elements of the fans share those characteristics you point out, however in my experience the vast majority  of supporters at all clubs, support (both financially and emotionally) and are supportive at games by default. Sometimes that support conflicts with what owners or managers are doing and emotions do get the better of some people. It's far from a pandemic though which is a very melodramatic way to put it.

Most importantly we've got a fresh start UTM

Whilst I understand the context of what you are saying, locally around here it’s gone further than that.

Elements of the football community have taken things much further than opinions. Their comments, actions and accusations have been vile, personal and highly offensive. They’ve gone above and beyond having an opinion on football and the running of a club. They really have.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Thanks for your reply.

You are welcome

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

Whilst I understand the context of what you are saying, locally around here it’s gone further than that.

Elements of the football community have taken things much further than opinions. Their comments, actions and accusations have been vile, personal and highly offensive. They’ve gone above and beyond having an opinion on football and the running of a club. They really have.

Hello again Mr (k)night,

Could you kindly point me to one of these vile, personal and highly offensive accusations because I’ve only seen facts presented.

Granted I don’t trawl the whole of the internet as I don’t have time.

Isn’t it interesting that in the list of subjects/topics on this forum, that just below this one, we have one called “EXPECTATIONS”

Already people are setting their expectations and formulating essentially how success or failure for the consortium will be measured.

Doesn’t matter whether you are John Fenty, the Consortium or the Glaziers, the benchmarks are already being set.

30% of that audience are already working on the premise that decision 1 will be a failure. The appointment of Paul Hurst

Football hey.

Quoted from Henryscat

Hello again Mr (k)night,

Could you kindly point me to one of these vile, personal and highly offensive accusations because I’ve only seen facts presented.

Granted I don’t trawl the whole of the internet as I don’t have time.

Mr Cat, I think you must be blind or blinkered at least.

I thought you left?

You are clearly connected to the club and the Fenty inner circle in some way so do tell

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

To those of you on the Paul Hurst thread that are already moaning that Hurst is coming back. Please stop and think for a moment, what the hell are you doing.

Stop and think about the board mandate for consortium to agree a deal that gives John what he’s asked for, to agree terms, and then for them to participate in the urgent and timely appointment of a new manager.

If this is quite clearly what has happened, then approximately 30% of you are already taking issue with and moaning about the decision of the consortium in respect of their manager, even before the ink is set on the share sale agreement. Incidentally, the choice of managers being the singlemost criticism fans have had of John Fenty over the years. The primary key in unlocking success or failure during his tenure. Please stop it now, as the consortium won’t stand for it and might easily not complete on the sale if they already feel the heat of your angst.

To those of you that are on that thread, happy with the appointment of Paul Hurst. Are you happy that this is a consortium appointment? Because if it isn’t, then it’s a John Fenty appointment. Which it is anyway when you think about it, as he holds the purse strings presently. Do you really think John would appoint a manager mid sale, that he wouldn’t be happy with should the sale fall over before completion? No he wouldn’t. So essentially 70% of you are backing a John Fenty decision, made under his stewardship.

So is there a moral to this story. Clearly there is and as you read this, you will realise that you sit in one of the two camps above. And you really can’t have it both ways. What is abundantly clear is that no matter who owns the club, they will never be clear of the continuous scrutiny, criticism and vitriol that has long since been a pandemic amongst those that support Grimsby Town Football Club. In summary, to me we have a problem, a disease or condition that can be summed up and described in one word.... “GRIMSBY”.

You have crossed a line here and it is completely unacceptable for you to imply that the fan base is some form of disease. I will make Phillip Day aware of this account as it is certainly masquerading as a moniker for him and I doubt he would find your accusations acceptable either in his name or not. Given the out going board's portence for legal action I would ask you to consider deleting your comments or no longer continue using this account.

This fan base as a whole is one of the most passionate, intelligent and patient in English Football, the inability of our out going board to harness that energy is another of their considerable failings. No other club in the last 5 years have been given a quarter of a million to support it on top of the usual income the fans input in to the club. The club's survival on fans income is one of the highest in the whole football league as a percentage. No other fan basis has been as patient with ongoing incompetence, failure and contempt shown to it then our own. It's incredible it has taken this long for fans to even speak about participating in a boycott of the inadequate individuals at the top.

I sincerely hope you are not a part of the out going board but the contempt in which you hold the fan base is very indicative of their behaviour over the last decade.

I am very much looking forward to seeing fewer trolls like you in our new era for the club.

Message for Phil Nosher: Whether you are a troll, a stooge or actually a member of a soon-to-depart cabal, you really do come across as the most preposterous poster this forum has ever had. And that, take my word for it, is really saying something!

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

Mr Cat, I think you must be blind or blinkered at least.

Neither, I just really haven’t seen anyone in the “football community” as you put it state anything other than fact.

Like I said I don’t have time to explore every avenue and I politely asked you for an example. I’m sure a man in IT knows how to copy and paste a link.

Quoted from Hagrid

I thought you left?

You are clearly connected to the club and the Fenty inner circle in some way so do tell

No I’m not. I promise you I am not.

Choose to accept that or not, doesn’t really matter.

Maybe the question should really be, why do people find it so hard to understand that there are people out there that won’t or don’t see things the same way as they do. Are you all that confident in your own opinions and beliefs that you find it impossible to accept that others think differently?

Some, most possibly, will be sat there now thinking, that you hate or disagree with what Noche has said over the last few days. Because you want on-field success for your football club. But inside, it will also be killing you every time I make a point, no matter how small that point is, that you actually agree with. You couldn’t possibly concede that though, because it just wouldn’t be right for you and how you feel and what ambitions you have for your club.

For my part I’ll happily concede any valid points that counter my opinion. As I’ve said from the start, I’m not against the takeover

Be nice and play nicely. It makes a big difference to the world you know

Quoted from Green27

You have crossed a line here and it is completely unacceptable for you to imply that the fan base is some form of disease. I will make Phillip Day aware of this account as it is certainly masquerading as a moniker for him and I doubt he would find your accusations acceptable either in his name or not. Given the out going board's portence for legal action I would ask you to consider deleting your comments or no longer continue using this account.

This fan base as a whole is one of the most passionate, intelligent and patient in English Football, the inability of our out going board to harness that energy is another of their considerable failings. No other club in the last 5 years have been given a quarter of a million to support it on top of the usual income the fans input in to the club. The club's survival on fans income is one of the highest in the whole football league as a percentage. No other fan basis has been as patient with ongoing incompetence, failure and contempt shown to it then our own. It's incredible it has taken this long for fans to even speak about participating in a boycott of the inadequate individuals at the top.

I sincerely hope you are not a part of the out going board but the contempt in which you hold the fan base is very indicative of their behaviour over the last decade.

I am very much looking forward to seeing fewer trolls like you in our new era for the club.

I haven’t crossed any line at all. It’s my opinion.

Do your worst. Go and complain to the Chairman.

How ironic is it now that someone from this hive of anti GTFC board members, that someone now wishes to complain to the chairman that is valued so low on this website. You really couldn’t make this up.

Oh well.

Quoted from Mandy Dunnit vs Hettie

Message for Phil Nosher: Whether you are a troll, a stooge or actually a member of a soon-to-depart cabal, you really do come across as the most preposterous poster this forum has ever had. And that, take my word for it, is really saying something!

I’m sorry that you don’t like that. But sadly I can’t change it. I’m a bit of a snob I guess in the written word. Be assured though, I mean no malice. Have a great day

It’s a forum you bell end. 99% wanted rid of Fenty, 30% or whatever you are saying don’t want PH. I’d hazard a guess 99% of people don’t want you on here after the week or so you’ve crawled from beneath your reclining chair and foot stall at Blundell Park.

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

Whilst I understand the context of what you are saying, locally around here it’s gone further than that.

Elements of the football community have taken things much further than opinions. Their comments, actions and accusations have been vile, personal and highly offensive. They’ve gone above and beyond having an opinion on football and the running of a club. They really have.

Yes unfortunately some of that has happened, some of the stuff people post on Twitter specifically is very unsavory. Pictures of JFs house etc. I don't like to see the word cancer banded about, which to be fair to a lot of posters on here call out very quickly.

You seem to have the posting 'bug' now anyway seeing as you are back today. Stick around longer, you will see this can be a decent place to chat with other fans, just have a look at the Ollie collection thread and you will see this place does things which do reflect positively on the fanbase.

Quoted from Bristol Mariner

It’s a forum you bell end. 99% wanted rid of Fenty, 30% or whatever you are saying don’t want PH. I’d hazard a guess 99% of people don’t want you on here after the week or so you’ve crawled from beneath your reclining chair and foot stall at Blundell Park.

There it is.

The consortium should and will be judged by the performance of their management of the club over time. If Paul Hurst is successful in his second stint at the club that will be reflected by the sentiment of the fans.

If he is unsuccessful (and we are relegated for example) that will also be reflected, though imagine most will correctly apportion most of that blame to the outgoing regime - we should not be finding ourselves in this position again.

Time will be the ultimate test, however the reason there is overwhelming support for the consortium at this time is based on a combination of their collective long-term reputations in business and that Fenty and the current board have sullied their own reputation through years of mismanagement, amateur communications (at best) and an association with a serially convicted criminal. If that wasn’t true, none of this would be happening.

Stop. Collaborate and Listen.  

Hurst wi be a steady pair of hands , he’s someone that knows the area snd the club well (Holloway never seemed to settle here snd was clearly home sick )
Hursts style of football is a little uninspiring but If backed I’m sure they’ll grind out a few results .
Let’s face it other than another up and coming non league manager I doubt many with his experience woukd be keen to come here now.

That said I’ve always been optimistic about every manager we’ve appointed , most Town fans hope snd pray we’re gonna get it right one day

FN, you are correct that fans regard the consistently poor appointment of managers as his worse fault.  Or maybe, decent managers could not operate effectively under his stewardship.

The outcome is very low league and league positions during his 16 year tenure in charge.  We are in a results business. The Club has been dying a slow death.

What has come to light very recently is perhaps more damning of the man and therefore the Club.  Penny-pinching to lose valuable assets such as Amond.  Going into business with Alex May, and with the option for him to "invest" £1Million in shares in GTFC.

The inescapable conclusion to draw is of a man looking after self-interest first.  No judgement, integrity or decency.
No wonder the Alex May debacle was kept quiet.  The ego has no limits.

It is natural that fans will look again at the plans for the non-building of a stadium - and Mr Fenty's choices. Was this also an opportunity for personal gain?    

As a general rule "All power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely".

Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense.

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

Have a great day

There is only one ‘great Day’, our esteemed chairman Phil. You, Mr Noche, could never fill his shoes, and could only dream of emulating him, oh, wait, hang on though...

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

FN, you are correct that fans regard the consistently poor appointment of managers as his worse fault.  Or maybe, decent managers could not operate effectively under his stewardship.

The outcome is very low league and league positions during his 16 year tenure in charge.  We are in a results business. The Club has been dying a slow death.

What has come to light very recently is perhaps more damning of the man and therefore the Club.  Penny-pinching to lose valuable assets such as Amond.  Going into business with Alex May, and with the option for him to "invest" £1Million in shares in GTFC.

The inescapable conclusion to draw is of a man looking after self-interest first.  No judgement, integrity or decency.
No wonder the Alex May debacle was kept quiet.  The ego has no limits.

It is natural that fans will look again at the plans for the non-building of a stadium - and Mr Fenty's choices. Was this also an opportunity for personal gain?    

As a general rule "All power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely".

You make some good points in that lot

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

To those of you on the Paul Hurst thread that are already moaning that Hurst is coming back. Please stop and think for a moment, what the hell are you doing.

Stop and think about the board mandate for consortium to agree a deal that gives John what he’s asked for, to agree terms, and then for them to participate in the urgent and timely appointment of a new manager.

If this is quite clearly what has happened, then approximately 30% of you are already taking issue with and moaning about the decision of the consortium in respect of their manager, even before the ink is set on the share sale agreement. Incidentally, the choice of managers being the singlemost criticism fans have had of John Fenty over the years. The primary key in unlocking success or failure during his tenure. Please stop it now, as the consortium won’t stand for it and might easily not complete on the sale if they already feel the heat of your angst.

To those of you that are on that thread, happy with the appointment of Paul Hurst. Are you happy that this is a consortium appointment? Because if it isn’t, then it’s a John Fenty appointment. Which it is anyway when you think about it, as he holds the purse strings presently. Do you really think John would appoint a manager mid sale, that he wouldn’t be happy with should the sale fall over before completion? No he wouldn’t. So essentially 70% of you are backing a John Fenty decision, made under his stewardship.

So is there a moral to this story. Clearly there is and as you read this, you will realise that you sit in one of the two camps above. And you really can’t have it both ways. What is abundantly clear is that no matter who owns the club, they will never be clear of the continuous scrutiny, criticism and vitriol that has long since been a pandemic amongst those that support Grimsby Town Football Club. In summary, to me we have a problem, a disease or condition that can be summed up and described in one word.... “GRIMSBY”.

Yes, you are correct... we are a disease.

Therefore, my advice to you would be try supporting another club. I’ve heard there is another one 30 minutes down the A180 that’d have you, and what’s more, the fans there are a bundle of positive joy. Why, I could even introduce you to one of them... ‘Lincs Iron Man’ please could you take this man to your great fortress of fun and happiness?

Quoted from 140067

Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense.

I do like a bit of Robbie Frost

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

To those of you on the Paul Hurst thread that are already moaning that Hurst is coming back. Please stop and think for a moment, what the hell are you doing.

Stop and think about the board mandate for consortium to agree a deal that gives John what he’s asked for, to agree terms, and then for them to participate in the urgent and timely appointment of a new manager.

If this is quite clearly what has happened, then approximately 30% of you are already taking issue with and moaning about the decision of the consortium in respect of their manager, even before the ink is set on the share sale agreement. Incidentally, the choice of managers being the singlemost criticism fans have had of John Fenty over the years. The primary key in unlocking success or failure during his tenure. Please stop it now, as the consortium won’t stand for it and might easily not complete on the sale if they already feel the heat of your angst.

To those of you that are on that thread, happy with the appointment of Paul Hurst. Are you happy that this is a consortium appointment? Because if it isn’t, then it’s a John Fenty appointment. Which it is anyway when you think about it, as he holds the purse strings presently. Do you really think John would appoint a manager mid sale, that he wouldn’t be happy with should the sale fall over before completion? No he wouldn’t. So essentially 70% of you are backing a John Fenty decision, made under his stewardship.

So is there a moral to this story. Clearly there is and as you read this, you will realise that you sit in one of the two camps above. And you really can’t have it both ways. What is abundantly clear is that no matter who owns the club, they will never be clear of the continuous scrutiny, criticism and vitriol that has long since been a pandemic amongst those that support Grimsby Town Football Club. In summary, to me we have a problem, a disease or condition that can be summed up and described in one word.... “GRIMSBY”.

I would not want Hurst back under JF and I very much doubt he would come back. But if JF gets him to come back with the promise of new ownership I’ll happily accept that. Pretty much every manager under Fenty has gone all negative within a short space of time (Ian Runaway included). Clearly the board have made this so. Under the new ownership, PH (hopefully) may well get what a club our size deserves. Thus a happier relationship all round. I’d rather have PH under a new regime than Alex Ferguson under Fenty. UTM

Quoted from Civvy at last

I would not want Hurst back under JF and I very much doubt he would come back. But if JF gets him to come back with the promise of new ownership I’ll happily accept that. Pretty much every manager under Fenty has gone all negative within a short space of time (Ian Runaway included). Clearly the board have made this so. Under the new ownership, PH (hopefully) may well get what a club our size deserves. Thus a happier relationship all round. I’d rather have PH under a new regime than Alex Ferguson under Fenty. UTM

Don’t forget though that he returns in a different world of football, where salary caps apply.

People should not be under any illusion that the consortium will be a bottomless pit to success. They and Hurst will have to operate the on-field operations within the salary cap rules.

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

To those of you on the Paul Hurst thread that are already moaning that Hurst is coming back. Please stop and think for a moment, what the hell are you doing.

Stop and think about the board mandate for consortium to agree a deal that gives John what he’s asked for, to agree terms, and then for them to participate in the urgent and timely appointment of a new manager.

If this is quite clearly what has happened, then approximately 30% of you are already taking issue with and moaning about the decision of the consortium in respect of their manager, even before the ink is set on the share sale agreement. Incidentally, the choice of managers being the singlemost criticism fans have had of John Fenty over the years. The primary key in unlocking success or failure during his tenure. Please stop it now, as the consortium won’t stand for it and might easily not complete on the sale if they already feel the heat of your angst.

To those of you that are on that thread, happy with the appointment of Paul Hurst. Are you happy that this is a consortium appointment? Because if it isn’t, then it’s a John Fenty appointment. Which it is anyway when you think about it, as he holds the purse strings presently. Do you really think John would appoint a manager mid sale, that he wouldn’t be happy with should the sale fall over before completion? No he wouldn’t. So essentially 70% of you are backing a John Fenty decision, made under his stewardship.

So is there a moral to this story. Clearly there is and as you read this, you will realise that you sit in one of the two camps above. And you really can’t have it both ways. What is abundantly clear is that no matter who owns the club, they will never be clear of the continuous scrutiny, criticism and vitriol that has long since been a pandemic amongst those that support Grimsby Town Football Club. In summary, to me we have a problem, a disease like condition that can be summed up and described in one word.... “GRIMSBY”.

To be fair I don't criticize John for all his managerial appointments but I do criticize him for the lack of backing they've all had and the restrictive contracts he's insisted on "negotiating" with player that have signed for the club.

Back to your original......you assume the biggest gripe supporters have with JF is his appointment of managers.....
I can personally say that with potentially two standout exceptions there hasnt been massive uproar when he has appointed any of the 14/15/16 however many it is now. Giving Woods the job that was clearly beyond him based on his trial run and re-appointing Slade being the two stand out mistakes in my opinion and ones which were obviously queried at the times.

I would be surprised if most supporters arent more miffed with his.......
1.Lack of progress on a new ground
2.Constant penny pinching
3. Seeking adulation when things go right, blaming supporters when it goes wrong
4. Absolute refusal to accept he is wrong
5. Lack of investment
6.Treatment of previous investors
7. Contempt for supporters
8. Worst sustained period in our history
9. Taking us to non league
10. Taking years to get out
11. Not giving sufficient means to build on our promotion
12. The archaic administration systems
13. Forum embarrassment
14. Surrounding himself with yes men to protect his position
15. Cozying upto convicting fraudsters on the quiet
16. Attempting to silence this board, interrogating posters....

And on and on...

5 green ticks. Thank you.

I’m happy to see that some people identify with what I wrote in my original post.

Quoted from moosey_club

Back to your original......you assume the biggest gripe supporters have with JF is his appointment of managers.....
I can personally say that with potentially two standout exceptions there hasnt been massive uproar when he has appointed any of the 14/15/16 however many it is now. Giving Woods the job that was clearly beyond him based on his trial run and re-appointing Slade being the two stand out mistakes in my opinion and ones which were obviously queried at the times.

I would be surprised if most supporters arent more miffed with his.......
1.Lack of progress on a new ground
2.Constant penny pinching
3. Seeking adulation when things go right, blaming supporters when it goes wrong
4. Absolute refusal to accept he is wrong
5. Lack of investment
6.Treatment of previous investors
7. Contempt for supporters
8. Worst sustained period in our history
9. Taking us to non league
10. Taking years to get out
11. Not giving sufficient means to build on our promotion
12. The archaic administration systems
13. Forum embarrassment
14. Surrounding himself with yes men to protect his position
15. Cozying upto convicting fraudsters on the quiet
16. Attempting to silence this board, interrogating posters....

And on and on...

I’d come back to you on that by saying the gripes have always in the main been  after the event, not during the event. But they’ve been there.

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

Yes unfortunately some of that has happened, some of the stuff people post on Twitter specifically is very unsavory. Pictures of JFs house etc. I don't like to see the word cancer banded about, which to be fair to a lot of posters on here call out very quickly.

You seem to have the posting 'bug' now anyway seeing as you are back today. Stick around longer, you will see this can be a decent place to chat with other fans, just have a look at the Ollie collection thread and you will see this place does things which do reflect positively on the fanbase.

Thank you Swansea, I might just do that.

Got you sussed fella.
You like to flounce out but then sashay in again with a big "It's mee.."
Atention seeking helmet.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

To be fair I don't criticize John for all his managerial appointments but I do criticize him for the lack of backing they've all had and the restrictive contracts he's insisted on "negotiating" with player that have signed for the club.

Restrictive ?

Please explain ?

Quoted from GYinScuntland

Got you sussed fella.
You like to flounce out but then sashay in again with a big "It's mee.."
Atention seeking helmet.

Thanks Richie

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

Don’t forget though that he returns in a different world of football, where salary caps apply.

People should not be under any illusion that the consortium will be a bottomless pit to success. They and Hurst will have to operate the on-field operations within the salary cap rules.

But he’ll be operating with a far more efficient back room staff and in a far les toxic environment. I don’t think the issues were with player budgets. More with other promises that failed to materialise. Better training facilities, more expertise in the non playing staff etc etc

I certainly don’t expect miracles. I’ll still be happy to finish 3rd from bottom or above. Then next season, with COVID hopefully under control, I would envisage a big increase in ST’s and some progress on and off the pitch. That’s a step in the right direction and something that hasn’t happened for a long time.

Quoted from Civvy at last

But he’ll be operating with a far more efficient back room staff and in a far les toxic environment. I don’t think the issues were with player budgets. More with other promises that failed to materialise. Better training facilities, more expertise in the non playing staff etc etc

I certainly don’t expect miracles. I’ll still be happy to finish 3rd from bottom or above. Then next season, with COVID hopefully under control, I would envisage a big increase in ST’s and some progress on and off the pitch. That’s a step in the right direction and something that hasn’t happened for a long time.

Absolutely matey. Fingers crossed 🤞 for all of that positivity

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

To those of you on the Paul Hurst thread that are already moaning that Hurst is coming back. Please stop and think for a moment, what the hell are you doing.
Incidentally, the choice of managers being the singlemost criticism fans have had of John Fenty over the years.

Nonsense!! You still don't see it do you??!!!

On paper I would have appointed Newell who had achieved miracles at Luton. Perhaps there was a reason why he had been out of work for so long despite that. I assume the board would have spoken to his previous employers and people within the game.

I would certainly have appointed Holloway, Hurst and Scott had a track record of promotion, Woodsy deserved a shot, Slade was never my cup of tea but had a track record.

It isn't the managers, it's the SUPPORT FROM THE BOARD of the managers. It seems assistant managers are optional extras at this club under the Fenty board. Forget fitness coaches, sports scientists, the right backroom staff! Still, you've got your top of the range second hand portacabin. Your board has treat legends like John Mcdermott with contempt, £350 a week you flipping Charlatans! Padraig Amond, 37 goals and you treat him like a twit! Charles Vernam, you'll know the finances involved to keep him, I suspect it wasn't a lot. I know money doesn't go on trees but you get rid of him by offering him a pittance and where does that leave you? We've signed a left winger called Edwards who isn't ours, isn't ready and by the time he's ready, he'll go back to his own club. Or maybe George Williams who won't be cheap? He doesn't seem interested in grafting and is on a downward spiral. We knew Charles Vernam!

You moan we haven't supported managers, YOU haven't supported them and word gets round to players what a excrement club we are. Our league positions under the Fenty era have been an absolute DISGRACE, a flipping SHAMBLES and and OUTRAGE yet you think you have some sort of defence? Jesus, you haven't a clue. How you haven't been dragged out of this town is beyond me and I am saddened that I haven't done more to rid our club of the lot of you. Getting RELEGATED TO THE flipping CONFERENCE!! Unthinkable, I can't believe it happened, after three warnings, Luton's 30 point deducition saved us yet we still changed nothing! And you illegitimates could send us down again this season! Shut your mouth, and intercourse off is the best advice I can give you!

You cut the wages of the office staff by 1/4! You flipping arseholes, they are real normal people with normal mortgages and normal bills to pay! Just clear your flipping desks.

Actually I kind of admire the bloke he’s made a post and he’s actually replied with an educated opinion to everyone’s comments.

Troll or not atleasts he’s defending his corner

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

I’d come back to you on that by saying the gripes have always in the main been  after the event, not during the event. But they’ve been there.

Extremely convincing and thorough counter argument there, I have almost changed my mind.

🤣

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

I do like a bit of Robbie Frost

Ha ha at least you've got a sense of humour and a sense of sense. I do love a little plagiarism.
All the best for 2021, peace and safety

Quoted from Henryscat

Neither, I just really haven’t seen anyone in the “football community” as you put it state anything other than fact.

Like I said I don’t have time to explore every avenue and I politely asked you for an example. I’m sure a man in IT knows how to copy and paste a link.

Come on Phil it’s easy.

Even I can do it.

Look.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Know_What_You_Did_Last_Summer

Quoted from Henryscat

Come on Phil it’s easy.

Even I can do it.

Look.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Know_What_You_Did_Last_Summer

Please see above

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

Please see above

Good Knight Phil.

Haven't you got some IT problems to solve?

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

To those of you on the Paul Hurst thread that are already moaning that Hurst is coming back. Please stop and think for a moment, what the hell are you doing.

Stop and think about the board mandate for consortium to agree a deal that gives John what he’s asked for, to agree terms, and then for them to participate in the urgent and timely appointment of a new manager.

If this is quite clearly what has happened, then approximately 30% of you are already taking issue with and moaning about the decision of the consortium in respect of their manager, even before the ink is set on the share sale agreement. Incidentally, the choice of managers being the singlemost criticism fans have had of John Fenty over the years. The primary key in unlocking success or failure during his tenure. Please stop it now, as the consortium won’t stand for it and might easily not complete on the sale if they already feel the heat of your angst.

To those of you that are on that thread, happy with the appointment of Paul Hurst. Are you happy that this is a consortium appointment? Because if it isn’t, then it’s a John Fenty appointment. Which it is anyway when you think about it, as he holds the purse strings presently. Do you really think John would appoint a manager mid sale, that he wouldn’t be happy with should the sale fall over before completion? No he wouldn’t. So essentially 70% of you are backing a John Fenty decision, made under his stewardship.

So is there a moral to this story. Clearly there is and as you read this, you will realise that you sit in one of the two camps above. And you really can’t have it both ways. What is abundantly clear is that no matter who owns the club, they will never be clear of the continuous scrutiny, criticism and vitriol that has long since been a pandemic amongst those that support Grimsby Town Football Club. In summary, to me we have a problem, a disease like condition that can be summed up and described in one word.... “GRIMSBY”.

Of do fuckoff you supercilioustosser.

It’s not worth arguing properly with you.

Quoted from fishboyUTM

Nonsense!! You still don't see it do you??!!!

On paper I would have appointed Newell who had achieved miracles at Luton. Perhaps there was a reason why he had been out of work for so long despite that. I assume the board would have spoken to his previous employers and people within the game.

I would certainly have appointed Holloway, Hurst and Scott had a track record of promotion, Woodsy deserved a shot, Slade was never my cup of tea but had a track record.

It isn't the managers, it's the SUPPORT FROM THE BOARD of the managers. It seems assistant managers are optional extras at this club under the Fenty board. Forget fitness coaches, sports scientists, the right backroom staff! Still, you've got your top of the range second hand portacabin. Your board has treat legends like John Mcdermott with contempt, £350 a week you flipping Charlatans! Padraig Amond, 37 goals and you treat him like a twit! Charles Vernam, you'll know the finances involved to keep him, I suspect it wasn't a lot. I know money doesn't go on trees but you get rid of him by offering him a pittance and where does that leave you? We've signed a left winger called Edwards who isn't ours, isn't ready and by the time he's ready, he'll go back to his own club. Or maybe George Williams who won't be cheap? He doesn't seem interested in grafting and is on a downward spiral. We knew Charles Vernam!

You moan we haven't supported managers, YOU haven't supported them and word gets round to players what a excrement club we are. Our league positions under the Fenty era have been an absolute DISGRACE, a flipping SHAMBLES and and OUTRAGE yet you think you have some sort of defence? Jesus, you haven't a clue. How you haven't been dragged out of this town is beyond me and I am saddened that I haven't done more to rid our club of the lot of you. Getting RELEGATED TO THE flipping CONFERENCE!! Unthinkable, I can't believe it happened, after three warnings, Luton's 30 point deducition saved us yet we still changed nothing! And you illegitimates could send us down again this season! Shut your mouth, and intercourse off is the best advice I can give you!

You cut the wages of the office staff by 1/4! You flipping arseholes, they are real normal people with normal mortgages and normal bills to pay! Just clear your flipping desks.

First of all, and just for clarity once again. I am not a board member of GTFC.

Secondly can you answer me this. From a players point of view, if GTFC is such a bad employer, then why do they sign for us or come on loan here? I’ll back this observation up with something tangible too.....

How many times in the first interview of a player when he signs do we Heward this... I know X, or I know a few of the lads. I spoke to them and they told me what a great club and what a great set up there is here.

Lost count of the amount of times Ive heard this said. It’s usually the first thing that stands out.

So and so knows so and so.

If it’s that bad then existing players would be warning people off, not trying to persuade them to join us. It would be .... don’t come here mate it’s rubbish and I’m away just as soon as I can.

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

Please see above

Sorry Phil I see none of your posts that answer my request for a link.

Maybe you’re having IT problems? I could recommend someone if you’d like.

Quoted from Henryscat

Sorry Phil I see none of your posts that answer my request for a link.

Maybe you’re having IT problems? I could recommend someone if you’d like.

Then you need to read it all again as it’s there.

I don’t work in IT by the way either. I’m rubbish with IT.

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

First of all, and just for clarity once again. I am not a board member of GTFC.

Secondly can you answer me this. From a players point of view, if GTFC is such a bad employer, then why do they sign for us or come on loan here? I’ll back this observation up with something tangible too.....

How many times in the first interview of a player when he signs do we Heward this... I know X, or I know a few of the lads. I spoke to them and they told me what a great club and what a great set up there is here.

Lost count of the amount of times Ive heard this said. It’s usually the first thing that stands out.

So and so knows so and so.

If it’s that bad then existing players would be warning people off, not trying to persuade them to join us. It would be .... don’t come here mate it’s rubbish and I’m away just as soon as I can.

There’s a reason why we always end up with the dregs and miss out on our first choices.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Of do fuckoff you supercilioustosser.

It’s not worth arguing properly with you.

There it is

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

Then you need to read it all again as it’s there.

I don’t work in IT by the way either. I’m rubbish with IT.

Certainly no links I can see. Could you advise me which post?

Quoted from davmariner

There’s a reason why we always end up with the dregs and miss out on our first choices.

That’s not entirely true is it. Although I do accept that it is at times difficult to get players to come and play and live near the East Coast. They tend to like to be near bigger cities and towns don’t they, and it’s a hell of a commute.

Quoted from Henryscat

Certainly no links I can see. Could you advise me which post?

Yes sure, the one where I reference the BANNING ORDER topic on this website and point out how vile and hurtful a lot of the stuff is on there.

I’m struggling to find anything thats fact on there. It’s a post designed to incite hate and hurt. Nothing less.

Big thumbs up to those in that topic that have pointed this out too. It’s dreadful

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

Yes sure, the one where I reference the BANNING ORDER topic on this website and point out how vile and hurtful a lot of the stuff is on there.

I’m struggling to find anything that fact on there. It’s a post designed to incite hate and hurt. Nothing less.

Big thumbs up to those in that topic that have pointed this out too. It’s dreadful

To be honest that thread has passed me by but I can guess from the title it’s not particularly pleasant.

You did mention the wider “football community” also, care to elaborate?

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

Yes sure, the one where I reference the BANNING ORDER topic on this website and point out how vile and hurtful a lot of the stuff is on there.

I’m struggling to find anything thats fact on there. It’s a post designed to incite hate and hurt. Nothing less.

Big thumbs up to those in that topic that have pointed this out too. It’s dreadful

I think a good few of us think it is Disgraceful.

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

To those of you on the Paul Hurst thread that are already moaning that Hurst is coming back. Please stop and think for a moment, what the hell are you doing.

Stop and think about the board mandate for consortium to agree a deal that gives John what he’s asked for, to agree terms, and then for them to participate in the urgent and timely appointment of a new manager.

If this is quite clearly what has happened, then approximately 30% of you are already taking issue with and moaning about the decision of the consortium in respect of their manager, even before the ink is set on the share sale agreement. Incidentally, the choice of managers being the singlemost criticism fans have had of John Fenty over the years. The primary key in unlocking success or failure during his tenure. Please stop it now, as the consortium won’t stand for it and might easily not complete on the sale if they already feel the heat of your angst.

To those of you that are on that thread, happy with the appointment of Paul Hurst. Are you happy that this is a consortium appointment? Because if it isn’t, then it’s a John Fenty appointment. Which it is anyway when you think about it, as he holds the purse strings presently. Do you really think John would appoint a manager mid sale, that he wouldn’t be happy with should the sale fall over before completion? No he wouldn’t. So essentially 70% of you are backing a John Fenty decision, made under his stewardship.

So is there a moral to this story. Clearly there is and as you read this, you will realise that you sit in one of the two camps above. And you really can’t have it both ways. What is abundantly clear is that no matter who owns the club, they will never be clear of the continuous scrutiny, criticism and vitriol that has long since been a pandemic amongst those that support Grimsby Town Football Club. In summary, to me we have a problem, a disease like condition that can be summed up and described in one word.... “GRIMSBY”.

I have no idea what this post means!?

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

How many times in the first interview of a player when he signs do we Heward this... I know X, or I know a few of the lads. I spoke to them and they told me what a great club and what a great set up there is here.

Lost count of the amount of times Ive heard this said. It’s usually the first thing that stands out.

Standard football interview language. Up there with 'over the moon' and the new one 'can't wait to get started'.
They end up coming here as they generally aren't very good and can't get fixed up anywhere else.

Hopefully, this new board will come in and put an infrastructure in place which will enable us to succeed over medium to long term. This is or certainly was, a good club. A much bigger and better club than the Fenty era suggests. We have a good fan base and we get behind our players home and particularly away in huge numbers.

I accept you aren't on the board, apologies for my rant towards the end of my last post.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Of do fuckoff you supercilioustosser.

It’s not worth arguing properly with you.

He beat you then? Unlike you to give up and leave things alone

Quoted from Henryscat

To be honest that thread has passed me by but I can guess from the title it’s not particularly pleasant.

You did mention the wider “football community” also, care to elaborate?

Oh right Henry then I suggest you concede that there is vile and hurtful stuff out there then from people, and not just factual observations.

I have nothing further to elaborate on. It’s out there in various forms of media that our football community have contributed to.

Point made on my part, let’s move on shall we Henry

Quoted from Henryscat

To be honest that thread has passed me by but I can guess from the title it’s not particularly pleasant.

You did mention the wider “football community” also, care to elaborate?

Having read that thread now I can only see 2 posters from this forum who agree with it. My opinion on it (for what it’s worth) is that if Mr Fenty would like to watch a game of football at his home town club then he should be allowed.

I do, however, refer back to your original post which said “ Elements of the football community have taken things much further than opinions. Their comments, actions and accusations have been vile, personal and highly offensive.”

Whilst suggesting Mr Fenty should be banned from the club is a comment, it is neither an action nor an accusation. It is also the opinion of one (possibly 2) posters on a Grimsby Town forum and there are many calling them out on it.

I reiterate, I personally haven’t seen any accusations without facts from the wider “football community”.

It’s obvious we were on different sides regarding Mr Fenty’s tenure in charge of the club and we could end up going round in circles which, to be quite frank, is a waste of both of our times. Personally, I am glad he has chosen to sell for a myriad of reasons, and I look forward to what the future holds under the new regime which I am sure nearly 100% of the fan base are (possibly including John himself). Granted there will be reservations (and I fully understand why people will have them) but on paper the consortium look as though they will take us upwards as a club.

It’s been a pleasure talking to you Phillip (even if you might not be who I assumed you were) and here’s to a bright future both on and off the field for the club and us both in our personal endeavours.

Quoted from Ipswin

He beat you then? Unlike you to give up and leave things alone

I didn’t beat anyone. I’m here just to make points or share my opinion, which I accept some people won’t accept

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

Oh right Henry then I suggest you concede that there is vile and hurtful stuff out there then from people, and not just factual observations.

I have nothing further to elaborate on. It’s out there in various forms of media that our football community have contributed to.

Point made on my part, let’s move on shall we Henry

Using your words, see above! Have a good new year

Personally I'm glad you've come back Mr Knight.  Your posts see have certainly been more enteraining this Xmas than what the BBC have served up.

You have a great talent in managing to argue a point that I'm sure you know is wrong.  Maybe you should enter into politics, I know where there is a vacancy going 😉

In your many posts there does seem to be an undercurrent of sour grapes, are you and all other Fenty supporters worried that the new consortium will make such a sucess to embarress you further ?

One other question with a yes or no answer please.  Do you you think the last 16 years under JF's tenure have been a sucess ?

Quoted from Green27

You have crossed a line here and it is completely unacceptable for you to imply that the fan base is some form of disease. I will make Phillip Day aware of this account as it is certainly masquerading as a moniker for him and I doubt he would find your accusations acceptable either in his name or not. Given the out going board's portence for legal action I would ask you to consider deleting your comments or no longer continue using this account.

This fan base as a whole is one of the most passionate, intelligent and patient in English Football, the inability of our out going board to harness that energy is another of their considerable failings. No other club in the last 5 years have been given a quarter of a million to support it on top of the usual income the fans input in to the club. The club's survival on fans income is one of the highest in the whole football league as a percentage. No other fan basis has been as patient with ongoing incompetence, failure and contempt shown to it then our own. It's incredible it has taken this long for fans to even speak about participating in a boycott of the inadequate individuals at the top.

I sincerely hope you are not a part of the out going board but the contempt in which you hold the fan base is very indicative of their behaviour over the last decade.

I am very much looking forward to seeing fewer trolls like you in our new era for the club.

To this I would add the in excess of £500,000 given to the club by the fans in unclaimed ST refunds from last season and the unrefundable ST's from this season. Not "benign" or otherwise loans but donations to keep the club afloat.

Quoted from fishboyUTM

I accept you aren't on the board, apologies for my rant towards the end of my last post.

Your apology is accepted and appreciated. Thank you

Quoted from Squinter

Personally I'm glad you've come back Mr Knight.  Your posts see have certainly been more enteraining this Xmas than what the BBC have served up.

You have a great talent in managing to argue a point that I'm sure you know is wrong.  Maybe you should enter into politics, I know where there is a vacancy going 😉

In your many posts there does seem to be an undercurrent of sour grapes, are you and all other Fenty supporters worried that the new consortium will make such a sucess to embarress you further ?

One other question with a yes or no answer please.  Do you you think the last 16 years under JF's tenure have been a sucess ?

I’ll answer those questions for you willingly.

I want the consortium to make an overwhelming success of their tenure. I pray for it infact.

Sadly it’s impossible for me to answer your final question with a YES or NO

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

I didn’t beat anyone. I’m here just to make points or share my opinion, which I accept some people won’t accept

Kingston is normally such an argumentative sodomist, unlike him not to take on a verbal diarrhea merchant like yourself

You even found it necessary to reply to my post FFS, give it a rest please, have you no one else you can share those opinions with?

Hi Phil I've had a read of your mostly incoherent rambling in defence of Mr. Fenty and his managerial appointments, and whether this latest appointment is his or not. Fans will always have differing views on new managerial appointments, Swin wasn't overly happy about the appointment of Mr Holloway for example. I feel I have to point out that the post and in particular the last paragraph actually sums up what angered fans about Mr Fentys tenure. Yes his managerial appointments have usually turned out to be poor, but it's not the biggest criticism of his reign, it's one of many. Perhaps the way he reigned is what finally dethroned him, and his attitude to the people that really make a club, the clubs raison d'etre if you will. It's no coincidence that the beginning of the end wasn't a managerial appointment, but a shady business relationship in which Mr Fenty involved the club and the treatment of the fans with disdain.

You see Phil you harp on about people not being able to accommodate the views of others which may be different to theirs and yet that is exactly the reason Mr Fenty, and hopefully yourself, are selling up and moving out. This excuse that is always peddled when an action taken by the club is greeted with fan disapproval. This insistence, seen in most of your posts, that the fans don't know what they're on about.

The fans are the football club, the pandemic that you speak of is John Fenty and the hangers on like you. Now the price is being paid and yet still you can't, no won't, see the truth.

THE FANS ARE GRIMSBY TOWN

Quoted from Ipswin

He beat you then? Unlike you to give up and leave things alone

True. He’s not worth the effort. He’s only here to sow disunity like some sort of Putinist troll. Just a pawn serving his master.

I’ll argue with you until the cows come home, even though I know it won’t make any impression.

Quoted from Ipswin

Kingston is normally such an argumentative sodomist, unlike him not to take on a verbal diarrhea merchant like yourself

I’ll wear that as a badge of pride 👍

Quoted from LondonMariner43

I have no idea what this post means!?

Basically, it's all our fault (again)

Quoted from Ipswin

Kingston is normally such an argumentative sodomist, unlike him not to take on a verbal diarrhea merchant like yourself

You even found it necessary to reply to my post FFS, give it a rest please, have you no one else you can share those opinions with?

I was merely being polite.

Good manners cost nothing

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

I was merely being polite.

Good manners cost nothing

Good manners also includes not deliberately sowing discord.

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

I was merely being polite.

Good manners cost nothing

True.

Bad manners cost a football club.

Quoted from forza ivano

Basically, it's all our fault (again)

Now wouldn’t that be a great chant when we are allowed to fill BP again, and have new owners and management in place, all working together and making progress.

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

I’ll answer those questions for you willingly.

I want the consortium to make an overwhelming success of their tenure. I pray for it infact.

Sadly it’s impossible for me to answer your final question with a YES or NO

Thank you for the reply.  

Can I ask why you can't answer yes or no ?  Just want your honest opinion.