|
MuddyWaters |
September 9, 2019, 10:42am |
|
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 14,121
Posts Per Day: 2.60
Reputation: 68.15%
Rep Score: +48 / -24
Approval: +32,276
Gold Stars: 236
|
|
Logged |
|
|
|
|
psgmariner |
September 9, 2019, 10:43am |
|
Posts: 10,122
Posts Per Day: 1.69
Reputation: 73.33%
Rep Score: +39 / -15
Approval: +5,480
Gold Stars: 33
|
Great appointment for them and a nice wedge of cash for Lincoln. Hopefully this derails Lincoln season a bit so they stay down and we can beat them in the league next season!
|
| |
|
Logged |
|
|
|
|
140381 |
September 9, 2019, 10:54am |
|
Guest User |
Their next appointment is going to be a hell of a decision for them.
|
|
Logged |
|
|
|
|
Hagrid |
September 9, 2019, 10:59am |
|
Posts: 12,025
Posts Per Day: 2.80
Reputation: 71.14%
Rep Score: +49 / -21
Approval: +20,490
Gold Stars: 536
|
intercourse them. The club and the cowleys. Hopefully be in their rightful place again soon back to 2000 crowds
|
|
|
|
|
Mariner Timsky |
September 9, 2019, 11:01am |
|
Cocktail Drinker
Posts: 1,754
Posts Per Day: 0.42
Reputation: 86.91%
Rep Score: +5 / 0
Location: Northampton
Approval: +1,533
Gold Stars: 5
|
Scunny struggling , Cowley leaving the imps , , , Town slowly on the up , , , , hows the mudrats doing??
|
| Stand Up For The Mariners!!!!! Stand Up For The Mariners!!!!! |
|
|
|
|
pizzzza |
September 9, 2019, 12:01pm |
|
Pontoonite
Posts: 5,665
Posts Per Day: 1.05
Reputation: 69.75%
Rep Score: +20 / -10
Location: Grimsby
Approval: +6,701
Gold Stars: 137
|
Was only a matter of time before he took another job. Would be a shame if he took all his backroom staff with him and cherry-picked Lincoln's best players when the next transfer window comes around
|
|
Logged |
|
|
|
|
malkamalka |
September 9, 2019, 12:09pm |
|
Table Wine Drinker
Posts: 887
Posts Per Day: 0.15
Reputation: 83.41%
Rep Score: +2 / 0
Approval: +150
Gold Stars: 17
|
[url]https://staceywest.net/2019/09/09/your-favourite-worst-nightmare-imps-set-to-lose-management-duo/[/url]
|
| "Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens." (Jimi Hendrix) |
|
|
|
|
malkamalka |
September 9, 2019, 12:11pm |
|
Table Wine Drinker
Posts: 887
Posts Per Day: 0.15
Reputation: 83.41%
Rep Score: +2 / 0
Approval: +150
Gold Stars: 17
|
Quoted from 140381
Their next appointment is going to be a hell of a decision for them.
Sol Campbell, Slade?
|
| "Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens." (Jimi Hendrix) |
|
|
|
|
Ipswin |
September 9, 2019, 12:14pm |
|
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 6,592
Posts Per Day: 1.10
Reputation: 51.24%
Rep Score: +44 / -47
Approval: -3,552
Gold Stars: 89
|
They'll 'do a Hurst'. Did well at L1 level (with Shrewsbury) then moved up to a struggling Championship club and just wasn't up to the job. A step too far same for these two.
|
| |
|
Logged |
|
|
|
|
golfer |
September 9, 2019, 12:19pm |
|
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 6,932
Posts Per Day: 2.29
Reputation: 67.55%
Rep Score: +34 / -18
Approval: +3,450
Gold Stars: 118
|
Quoted from 140381
Their next appointment is going to be a hell of a decision for them.
SIMPLE EQUATION J - L = H - G FkHpNt
|
|
Logged |
Online |
|
|
|
MeanwoodMariner |
September 9, 2019, 12:22pm |
|
Posts: 2,326
Posts Per Day: 0.39
Reputation: 79.34%
Rep Score: +19 / -5
Approval: +2,673
Gold Stars: 8
|
They'll 'do a Hurst'. Did well at L1 level (with Shrewsbury) then moved up to a struggling Championship club and just wasn't up to the job. A step too far same for these two.
He's been consistently superb for years now. I think he'll make the step up no problem. Braintree: playoffs Lincoln: champions, playoffs, champions, good start in League 1. There can't be another lower league manager who gets anywhere near that.
|
|
|
|
|
Northbank Mariner |
September 9, 2019, 12:43pm |
|
Whiskey Drinker
Posts: 3,971
Posts Per Day: 1.75
Reputation: 60.08%
Rep Score: +9 / -9
Approval: +7,525
Gold Stars: 172
|
Now being coveted by BBC sport, reckon those web toed, 6 fingers cousins of ours will be in a state of shock tonight and....."stop crying your heart out"...😂😂😂😂
|
|
|
|
|
mariner91 |
September 9, 2019, 12:47pm |
|
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 15,519
Posts Per Day: 2.64
Reputation: 86.91%
Rep Score: +78 / -11
Location: Lincs
Approval: +19,726
Gold Stars: 262
|
I don't think they'll struggle, they're clearly a lot better at management than Hurst. If you look at how bad Lincoln were when they took over, sometimes getting gates below 2000 and finishing lower mid table in the NL, they turned them around in one season to become champions.
When Hurst took over, Town were in a bad way but not quite as bad as Lincoln were and in his first full season (admittedly with Shouty as well) he improved the finishing position a whopping 0 places. He never challenged for the title, let alone win it and that was with far more years and money to work with. Hurst was excellent at getting a good team spirit and getting the team to work hard and be organised but that was it really. He seems to have struggled with that as well since not having any of his favourite players signed. Tactically he was often out-thought by managers who had part-time players at their disposal and I can only remember one time where his substitutions or tactical changes played to our advantage (away to Aldershot when Bogle came on). I can remember lots of times when his substitutions did nothing or actively made us worse.
|
|
|
|
|
LH |
September 9, 2019, 12:54pm |
|
Moderator
Posts: 11,484
Posts Per Day: 1.92
Reputation: 71.54%
Rep Score: +30 / -13
Approval: +18,566
Gold Stars: 174
|
If we’d have lost to Braintree in the play-off semis then Hurst would have surely left the club and these two would have been ideal candidates to take over. Huddersfield are in a bit of a mess at the minute but there is plenty of time for them to steady the ship and turn them round next season. They’ll be fine.
|
|
Logged |
|
|
|
|
thevera |
September 9, 2019, 12:54pm |
|
Table Wine Drinker
Posts: 959
Posts Per Day: 0.16
Reputation: 71.66%
Rep Score: +10 / -5
Approval: +991
Gold Stars: 5
|
[url]https://staceywest.net/2019/09/09/your-favourite-worst-nightmare-imps-set-to-lose-management-duo/[/url]
Why is there a photograph of Nigel Batch in the Stacy West banner? Did he play for them?
|
|
|
|
|
Lincoln Mariner 56 |
September 9, 2019, 1:38pm |
|
Brandy Drinker
Posts: 2,810
Posts Per Day: 0.61
Reputation: 83.82%
Rep Score: +23 / -4
Approval: +7,765
Gold Stars: 81
|
Why is there a photograph of Nigel Batch in the Stacy West banner? Did he play for them?
Yes him and Bob Cumming played for them when they became the first team to be relegated from the Football League which I believe was 1985 but could have been the following year.
|
|
|
|
|
cannylad68 |
September 9, 2019, 1:40pm |
|
Table Wine Drinker
Posts: 561
Posts Per Day: 0.11
Reputation: 74.7%
Rep Score: +7 / -3
Approval: +33
Gold Stars: 8
|
|
|
|
|
grimsby pete |
September 9, 2019, 1:54pm |
|
Exile
Posts: 55,735
Posts Per Day: 9.80
Reputation: 81.7%
Rep Score: +126 / -28
Location: Suffolk
Approval: +17,827
Gold Stars: 222
|
Younger brother just been interviewed by the Lincoln club, He said " sniff sniff I don't know anything there is nothing I can tell you sniff sniff "
|
| Over 36 years living in Suffolk but always a mariner. 68 Years following the Town
Life member of Trust
First game April 1955 |
|
|
|
|
Elgringo87 |
September 9, 2019, 1:58pm |
|
Coke Drinker
Posts: 33
Posts Per Day: 0.01
Approval: +66
|
Most Lincoln fans aren’t to bothered about Danny leaving there more concerned with Nicky leaving too as he’s the ‘ real brains ‘ there first choice replacement I’m hearing is Flynn from Newport
|
|
|
|
|
pizzzza |
September 9, 2019, 2:26pm |
|
Pontoonite
Posts: 5,665
Posts Per Day: 1.05
Reputation: 69.75%
Rep Score: +20 / -10
Location: Grimsby
Approval: +6,701
Gold Stars: 137
|
Most Lincoln fans aren’t to bothered about Danny leaving there more concerned with Nicky leaving too as he’s the ‘ real brains ‘ t
Give over.
|
|
Logged |
|
|
|
|
Ipswin |
September 9, 2019, 2:44pm |
|
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 6,592
Posts Per Day: 1.10
Reputation: 51.24%
Rep Score: +44 / -47
Approval: -3,552
Gold Stars: 89
|
He's been consistently superb for years now. I think he'll make the step up no problem. .
He was an obnoxious twit two days ago suddenly he's 'superb'
|
| |
|
Logged |
|
|
|
|
Les Brechin |
September 9, 2019, 2:53pm |
|
Moderator
Posts: 23,802
Posts Per Day: 4.17
Reputation: 82.43%
Rep Score: +114 / -24
Location: Grimsby
Approval: +12,717
Gold Stars: 174
|
He was an obnoxious twit two days ago suddenly he's 'superb'
Can you be a superb obnoxious twit?
|
| [img]https://news.images.itv.com/image/file/402260/image_update_img.jpg[/img] OFFICIAL FUNDRAISER FOR THE BRAIN TUMOUR CHARITY TOTAL AMOUNT RAISED SINCE AUGUST 2008 £16613.24
LATEST DONATION - FROM DONATION FROM THE FISHY FORUM - AUG 2023 AMOUNT RAISED £170.00
|
|
|
|
|
Meza |
September 9, 2019, 3:17pm |
|
Posts: 9,736
Posts Per Day: 1.83
Reputation: 94.61%
Rep Score: +78 / -3
Location: Lincoln
Approval: +1,647
Gold Stars: 50
|
I'd go for Phil Parkinson.
|
| [URL=https://imgur.com/VCxdH2Y][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/VCxdH2Ys.jpg[/IMG][/URL][URL=https://imgur.com/uMRVvRe][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/uMRVvRes.jpg[/IMG][/URL][URL=https://imgur.com/5p7nllT][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/5p7nllTs.jpg[/IMG][/URL][URL=https://imgur.com/46BEw5M][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/46BEw5Ms.jpg[/IMG][/URL][URL=https://imgur.com/06NXnQF][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/06NXnQFs.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
My Grimsby Legends |
|
|
|
|
RichMariner |
September 9, 2019, 3:21pm |
|
Brandy Drinker
Posts: 2,975
Posts Per Day: 0.50
Reputation: 89.39%
Rep Score: +42 / -4
Location: Garforth, Leeds
Approval: +9,160
Gold Stars: 211
|
I never know what to think of managers 'moving up'. When we were looking to replace Hurst, I was happy that we appointed someone on the up, rather than someone on the slippery slope down.
But the less said about Bignot's tenure, the better.
I'm surprised Nathan Jones hasn't been a success at Stoke. He did such a good job at Luton. There seems to be a massive gap in standard between the Championship and League 1.
It's a bit of a lottery. Some managers only do well at one club (just look at how badly Buckley did at West Brom when given more resources than we ever could). Eddie Howe at Bournemouth (unsuccessful at Burnley).
Like previous posters have said, the Cowleys had relative success at different clubs before they joined Lincoln. Maybe Danny's skilled at transferring that wherever he goes — not everyone is good at that.
On paper it looks like a sound appointment by Huddersfield. It's a step up for Cowley... it feels right, but in the same breath I wouldn't be surprised if they end up where Stoke are right now.
|
| "Don't shine that light in my face, mate - I've just lost a pint of blood." |
|
|
|
|
Ipswin |
September 9, 2019, 3:39pm |
|
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 6,592
Posts Per Day: 1.10
Reputation: 51.24%
Rep Score: +44 / -47
Approval: -3,552
Gold Stars: 89
|
Can you be a superb obnoxious twit?
Ronaldo springs to mind but not the Cowleys
|
| |
|
Logged |
|
|
|
|
Northbank Mariner |
September 9, 2019, 3:48pm |
|
Whiskey Drinker
Posts: 3,971
Posts Per Day: 1.75
Reputation: 60.08%
Rep Score: +9 / -9
Approval: +7,525
Gold Stars: 172
|
Done deal....haha...over to you Salsa!!
|
|
|
|
|
TownSNAFU5 |
September 9, 2019, 4:01pm |
|
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 5,979
Posts Per Day: 1.13
Reputation: 62.03%
Rep Score: +30 / -21
Location: York
Approval: +6,894
Gold Stars: 42
|
Roy Hodgson has managed (successfully) around Europe, but struggled at Liverpool. I won’t mention England.
|
|
Logged |
Online |
|
|
|
forza ivano |
September 9, 2019, 4:14pm |
|
Exile
Posts: 14,753
Posts Per Day: 2.46
Reputation: 78.4%
Rep Score: +72 / -20
Approval: +15,269
Gold Stars: 266
|
|
|
|
|
Heisenberg |
September 9, 2019, 4:22pm |
|
Brandy Drinker
Posts: 2,608
Posts Per Day: 0.80
Reputation: 75.95%
Rep Score: +8 / -3
Approval: +5,100
Gold Stars: 95
|
I never know what to think of managers 'moving up'. When we were looking to replace Hurst, I was happy that we appointed someone on the up, rather than someone on the slippery slope down.
But the less said about Bignot's tenure, the better.
I'm surprised Nathan Jones hasn't been a success at Stoke. He did such a good job at Luton. There seems to be a massive gap in standard between the Championship and League 1.
It's a bit of a lottery. Some managers only do well at one club (just look at how badly Buckley did at West Brom when given more resources than we ever could). Eddie Howe at Bournemouth (unsuccessful at Burnley).
Like previous posters have said, the Cowleys had relative success at different clubs before they joined Lincoln. Maybe Danny's skilled at transferring that wherever he goes — not everyone is good at that.
On paper it looks like a sound appointment by Huddersfield. It's a step up for Cowley... it feels right, but in the same breath I wouldn't be surprised if they end up where Stoke are right now.
I agree with a lot of this. Jones should never have left Luton, and I thought so at the time. Luton are on the up, Stoke are in decline. It's completely feasible that we'll look at Luton as being a bigger club than Stoke in the not-too-distant future. As for Lincoln, they're a club that they've had incredible success at, and it's success that their fans have never had before, so they've flocked in numbers. You have to give them huge credit for this. However, Huddersfield are a Championship club, yes, but they now have ideas of grandeur, just like Stoke do. They've now both been replaced in the Premier League and neither are being missed - they could easily 'do a Leeds' and never return. I personally don't see Lincoln-to-Huddersfield as being a seismic leap at all. I think it's a mistake, but we shall see. It's not like Huddersfield is one of those "when they come knocking, you can't say 'no'" type of clubs.
|
|
|
|
|
140381 |
September 9, 2019, 4:34pm |
|
Guest User |
I personally don't see Lincoln-to-Huddersfield as being a seismic leap at all. I think it's a mistake, but we shall see. It's not like Huddersfield is one of those "when they come knocking, you can't say 'no'" type of clubs.
I think the parachute payments and the fact Huddersfield kept to a strict budget in the Prem may have a lot to do with it.
|
|
Logged |
|
|
|
|
Lincoln Mariner 56 |
September 9, 2019, 4:34pm |
|
Brandy Drinker
Posts: 2,810
Posts Per Day: 0.61
Reputation: 83.82%
Rep Score: +23 / -4
Approval: +7,765
Gold Stars: 81
|
I quoted last week that Huddersfield had reportedly offered a salary of £1.5m per annum as opposed to £140k at Lincoln, that is pretty life changing especially if it’s a 3 year contract. Given that offer not surprised they have moved on but a little surprised at the destination always thought Ipswich or Norwich would be where they ended up.
Hopefully, the replacement will get things back to normal and my visits to the pub will not be accompanied by constant banter on the mighty Imps.
|
|
|
|
|
Heisenberg |
September 9, 2019, 4:35pm |
|
Brandy Drinker
Posts: 2,608
Posts Per Day: 0.80
Reputation: 75.95%
Rep Score: +8 / -3
Approval: +5,100
Gold Stars: 95
|
Quoted from 140381
I think the parachute payments and the fact Huddersfield kept to a strict budget in the Prem may have a lot to do with it.
Good point, but they can't do anything with that money until January. That's a long way away........
|
|
|
|
|
Maringer |
September 9, 2019, 4:47pm |
|
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 11,224
Posts Per Day: 1.87
Reputation: 82.93%
Rep Score: +60 / -12
Approval: +16,648
Gold Stars: 189
|
It's not like Huddersfield is one of those "when they come knocking, you can't say 'no'" type of clubs.
If they are paying you enough to set you up for life, then saying yes might be a good idea, regardless of the likelihood of success in the longer-term. Huddersfield will have a heck of a wodge of money coming from their parachute payments so they ought to have a shout of becoming promotion contenders in the longer term. If the Cowleys can drag them up into mid-table this season, they ought to have a good bit to spend in comparison to many other clubs. Certainly an order of magnitude (or two) more than they've had in the past.
|
|
|
|
|
Superdan147 |
September 9, 2019, 5:17pm |
|
Lager Top Drinker
Posts: 233
Posts Per Day: 0.08
Reputation: 62.32%
Rep Score: +4 / -5
Approval: +112
Gold Stars: 5
|
|
|
|
|
HertsGTFC |
September 9, 2019, 5:42pm |
|
Posts: 14,110
Posts Per Day: 4.26
Reputation: 75.4%
Rep Score: +29 / -10
Location: Stevenage
Approval: +22,985
Gold Stars: 228
|
I won't miss all "The Cowley's this and the Cowley's that" stuff to be fair and reckon they'll do well at Huddersfield, well enough to take them back to the Prem? Who know's? but they'll have a bundle of parachute money to have a good go.
I don't watch the Championship much but it looks a world away from The NL, L2 and L1.
As for the Gimps I'd be looking at Adkins if he's not working already.
|
| "Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style |
|
|
|
|
Heisenberg |
September 9, 2019, 6:02pm |
|
Brandy Drinker
Posts: 2,608
Posts Per Day: 0.80
Reputation: 75.95%
Rep Score: +8 / -3
Approval: +5,100
Gold Stars: 95
|
I quoted last week that Huddersfield had reportedly offered a salary of £1.5m per annum as opposed to £140k at Lincoln, that is pretty life changing especially if it’s a 3 year contract. Given that offer not surprised they have moved on but a little surprised at the destination always thought Ipswich or Norwich would be where they ended up.
Hopefully, the replacement will get things back to normal and my visits to the pub will not be accompanied by constant banter on the mighty Imps.
Well, no more explanation needed. That really is a no brainier, we’d all do it.
|
|
|
|
|
Northbank Mariner |
September 9, 2019, 6:05pm |
|
Whiskey Drinker
Posts: 3,971
Posts Per Day: 1.75
Reputation: 60.08%
Rep Score: +9 / -9
Approval: +7,525
Gold Stars: 172
|
I won't miss all "The Cowley's this and the Cowley's that" stuff to be fair and reckon they'll do well at Huddersfield, well enough to take them back to the Prem? Who know's? but they'll have a bundle of parachute money to have a good go.
I don't watch the Championship much but it looks a world away from The NL, L2 and L1.
As for the Gimps I'd be looking at Adkins if he's not working already.
To be fair n square, for as much as I was sick to the back teeth of Gimps going on about the Cowley's, the brothers grim have done a cracking job at getting Lincoln, as a club, to where they are now, but if they cannot adapt to a completely different level of pressure and expectancy they'll be in the mire and regretting leaving in no time... As for Adkins, wouldn't be at all surprised to see him in at Lincoln, but wondering if he'd drop to league 1..
|
|
|
|
|
forza ivano |
September 9, 2019, 6:30pm |
|
Exile
Posts: 14,753
Posts Per Day: 2.46
Reputation: 78.4%
Rep Score: +72 / -20
Approval: +15,269
Gold Stars: 266
|
Not quite, he’s only been with us 18 months.
Bloody fat fingers! Terrible indictment though that he's likely to be in the top 30 longest serving managers well before he's even completed 2 years with us
|
|
|
|
|
Marinerz93 |
September 9, 2019, 6:36pm |
|
Posts: 15,108
Posts Per Day: 2.56
Reputation: 88.22%
Rep Score: +89 / -11
Location: Great Grimsby
Approval: +6,292
Gold Stars: 1
|
What's Newell up to these days
|
| Supporting the Mighty Mariners for over 30 years, home town club is were the heart and soul is and it's great to be a part of it.
Jesus’ disciple Peter, picked up a fish to get the tribute money from it, Jesus left his thumb print on the fish, bless'ed is the Haddock. |
|
Logged |
|
|
|
|
pizzzza |
September 9, 2019, 6:51pm |
|
Pontoonite
Posts: 5,665
Posts Per Day: 1.05
Reputation: 69.75%
Rep Score: +20 / -10
Location: Grimsby
Approval: +6,701
Gold Stars: 137
|
[url]https://www.thesackrace.com/teams/lincoln-city[/url]
Ainsworth favourite to replace them.... *gulp* Michael Jolley 33-1
Yes, I know these odds mean pretty much f-all at this stage....
|
|
Logged |
|
|
|
|
promotion plaice |
September 9, 2019, 6:54pm |
|
Moderator
Posts: 19,654
Posts Per Day: 3.85
Reputation: 64.79%
Rep Score: +20 / -13
Location: Cleethorpes
Approval: +17,086
Gold Stars: 200
|
What's Newell up to these days
It's a shame Slade got fixed up recently, he would have been a good fit at Lincoln
|
| When Leeds trainer Les Cocker was once told Norman Hunter had broken a leg, he asked: “Whose is it?” |
|
|
|
|
dapperz fun pub |
September 9, 2019, 7:00pm |
|
Posts: 9,360
Posts Per Day: 1.59
Reputation: 84.95%
Rep Score: +37 / -6
Approval: +10,021
Gold Stars: 83
|
I think Ainsworth would be a decent replacement and he out thought the Cowleys tactically on Saturday I’m told so could be a real possibility. Imp fans on social media seem slightly miffed and surprised the brothers have gone to Huddersfield just for money and clearly it is for the money because if it wasn’t why didn’t they go to Wednesday a far bigger club
|
|
|
|
|
Abdul19 |
September 9, 2019, 7:03pm |
|
Season Ticket Holder
Posts: 20,423
Posts Per Day: 3.41
Reputation: 73.77%
Rep Score: +71 / -26
Location: Scarborough
Approval: +17,576
Gold Stars: 218
|
Did they turn Wednesday down?
|
| |
|
Logged |
|
|
|
|
promotion plaice |
September 9, 2019, 7:04pm |
|
Moderator
Posts: 19,654
Posts Per Day: 3.85
Reputation: 64.79%
Rep Score: +20 / -13
Location: Cleethorpes
Approval: +17,086
Gold Stars: 200
|
Did they turn Wednesday down?
Cowley said there was no contact from Wednesday.
|
| When Leeds trainer Les Cocker was once told Norman Hunter had broken a leg, he asked: “Whose is it?” |
|
|
|
|
rancido |
September 9, 2019, 7:30pm |
|
Posts: 7,519
Posts Per Day: 1.26
Reputation: 80.3%
Rep Score: +41 / -10
Approval: +6,617
Gold Stars: 96
|
Can you be a superb obnoxious twit?
You can if you are an oxymoron !
|
| The Future is Black & White. "The commonest thing on this planet is not water , as some people believe, but stupidity ". Frank Zappa |
|
|
|
|
dapperz fun pub |
September 9, 2019, 7:39pm |
|
Posts: 9,360
Posts Per Day: 1.59
Reputation: 84.95%
Rep Score: +37 / -6
Approval: +10,021
Gold Stars: 83
|
Cowley said there was no contact from Wednesday.
He also said he wouldn’t leave the job half way through 😂 looks to me he’s played Wednesday and Huddersfield off against each other to achieve his wage ambition
|
|
|
|
|
rancido |
September 9, 2019, 7:42pm |
|
Posts: 7,519
Posts Per Day: 1.26
Reputation: 80.3%
Rep Score: +41 / -10
Approval: +6,617
Gold Stars: 96
|
Quoted from 3605[b
]I quoted last week that Huddersfield had reportedly offered a salary of £1.5m per annum as opposed to £140k at Lincoln,[/b] that is pretty life changing especially if it’s a 3 year contract. Given that offer not surprised they have moved on but a little surprised at the destination always thought Ipswich or Norwich would be where they ended up.
Hopefully, the replacement will get things back to normal and my visits to the pub will not be accompanied by constant banter on the mighty Imps.
That is surely a win-win situation for them. I'm sure their contract length will be a minimum of two years but more likely three. If they succeed there then fine but if it goes mammarys up then they will get paid off up until the end of their contract. Having proved themselves in League 2 and showing a promising start in League 1 then if they find themselves looking for a club 2 years down the line I'm sure there will be plenty of offers. Love them or hate them they have proved that they can be successful. Russell " Nearly Man" Slade never had a proper " success in his career but still managed to find a club and probably built up a nice bank balance in the process.
|
| The Future is Black & White. "The commonest thing on this planet is not water , as some people believe, but stupidity ". Frank Zappa |
|
|
|
|
rancido |
September 9, 2019, 7:49pm |
|
Posts: 7,519
Posts Per Day: 1.26
Reputation: 80.3%
Rep Score: +41 / -10
Approval: +6,617
Gold Stars: 96
|
What's Newell up to these days
Propping up a bar somewhere and helping to increase the sales of all these new trendy gins!
|
| The Future is Black & White. "The commonest thing on this planet is not water , as some people believe, but stupidity ". Frank Zappa |
|
|
|
|
HertsGTFC |
September 9, 2019, 8:00pm |
|
Posts: 14,110
Posts Per Day: 4.26
Reputation: 75.4%
Rep Score: +29 / -10
Location: Stevenage
Approval: +22,985
Gold Stars: 228
|
To be fair n square, for as much as I was sick to the back teeth of Gimps going on about the Cowley's, the brothers grim have done a cracking job at getting Lincoln, as a club, to where they are now, but if they cannot adapt to a completely different level of pressure and expectancy they'll be in the mire and regretting leaving in no time... As for Adkins, wouldn't be at all surprised to see him in at Lincoln, but wondering if he'd drop to league 1..
Agree but I guess it's about what "the project" (as the popular term) is now at Sincil Bank Lincoln have one thing the Targers owners don't and that's ambition.. I saw the top 3 with the bookies are Ainsworth, Flynn and Parkinson. Of that 3 I'd suggest Parkinson as the other two are in the fabric of their respective clubs. Who knows and in reality who cares?
|
| "Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style |
|
|
|
|
moosey_club |
September 9, 2019, 8:07pm |
|
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 16,199
Posts Per Day: 2.70
Reputation: 76.19%
Rep Score: +69 / -22
Approval: +20,294
Gold Stars: 226
|
[url]https://www.thesackrace.com/teams/lincoln-city[/url]
Ainsworth favourite to replace them.... *gulp* Michael Jolley 33-1
Yes, I know these odds mean pretty much f-all at this stage....
the tactics we are playing with this season Jolley would slip right into Lincoln's generally adopted methods.
|
| 2023/24 DLWDDWDLLLWDLLLLWDDDWDLLWLDLLDWDDWLLDWLWLWL but not NLN 😁 2022/23LDWDWWDWLLDWWDLLLDLWLLWLWLLWDDLDWWDDDLLWDWLWLW 2021/22 WDWWWWDLWWWWLLLWLLDLWLLWWDWWWLWDLWWDWWWDLWD play offs WWW Promoted 🥳 2020/21 LLDWWLDLDWLWLLLDLWLLDLLDLLLWLLLDDDDWDDDLWLWLWL .. hello darkness my old friend 2019/20 WDLDWWLDLWWLLLDLDLDLDDWWDLLWDDWWL WLLW - ended 2018/19 LWDDLLLLLLWWDWLLLWDWLWWWWLLLLWWWWDLLLDDLLDLWLW Hello Scunny |
|
|
|
|
Northbank Mariner |
September 9, 2019, 8:10pm |
|
Whiskey Drinker
Posts: 3,971
Posts Per Day: 1.75
Reputation: 60.08%
Rep Score: +9 / -9
Approval: +7,525
Gold Stars: 172
|
Agree but I guess it's about what "the project" (as the popular term) is now at Sincil Bank Lincoln have one thing the Targers owners don't and that's ambition..
I saw the top 3 with the bookies are Ainsworth, Flynn and Parkinson. Of that 3 I'd suggest Parkinson as the other two are in the fabric of their respective clubs. Who knows and in reality who cares?
In all honesty I give a t@ss about other clubs, my hatred was for the brothers and not Lincoln per se... I'm very much a 1 club man and care only for GTFC...
|
|
|
|
|
KingstonMariner |
September 9, 2019, 9:35pm |
|
Meths Drinker
Posts: 22,096
Posts Per Day: 6.06
Reputation: 79.33%
Rep Score: +42 / -11
Approval: +23,440
Gold Stars: 218
|
Done deal....haha...over to you Salsa!!
Salsa. Salsa? Where are you?
|
| Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same. |
|
|
|
|
chaos33 |
September 9, 2019, 9:37pm |
|
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 11,617
Posts Per Day: 2.58
Reputation: 67.78%
Rep Score: +66 / -33
Location: The mountains
Approval: +17,979
Gold Stars: 361
|
I hope Lincoln and Huddersfield both do well out of this.
|
| "You should do what you love while you can" |
|
|
|
|
promotion plaice |
September 9, 2019, 9:57pm |
|
Moderator
Posts: 19,654
Posts Per Day: 3.85
Reputation: 64.79%
Rep Score: +20 / -13
Location: Cleethorpes
Approval: +17,086
Gold Stars: 200
|
Salsa. Salsa? Where are you?
Looks like he's done a "Monkey hanger"
|
| When Leeds trainer Les Cocker was once told Norman Hunter had broken a leg, he asked: “Whose is it?” |
|
|
|
|
TheRonRaffertyFanClub |
September 9, 2019, 10:28pm |
|
Posts: 7,638
Posts Per Day: 1.34
Reputation: 79.65%
Rep Score: +43 / -11
Location: Norfolk
Approval: +8,658
Gold Stars: 23
|
It could be a poisoned chalice. According to some reports he rejected Wednesday because he wanted control over transfers and turned down Huddersfield at first for the same reason. They have had a Director of Football for the past few years starting with Wagner now at Norwich. So they have had a head coach not a manager and Cowley wants the full Brian Clough control. They got the parachute money but it isn’t a fortune and I think they have lost some good players. They have also been known for buying in unknown foreigners which will be an unknown market for Cowley.
|
| “If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.” ― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty." |
|
Logged |
|
|
|
|
Maringer |
September 9, 2019, 10:50pm |
|
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 11,224
Posts Per Day: 1.87
Reputation: 82.93%
Rep Score: +60 / -12
Approval: +16,648
Gold Stars: 189
|
They got the parachute money but it isn’t a fortune
Huddersfield will get £90 million in payments over the next 3 seasons. If that's not a fortune, I don't know what is. In comparison, Leeds (the biggest club in the Championship at present) will be on around £5 million in 'solidarity payments'.
|
|
|
|
|
Rik e B |
September 9, 2019, 10:51pm |
|
Whiskey Drinker
Posts: 3,562
Posts Per Day: 0.59
Reputation: 84.91%
Rep Score: +20 / -3
Location: Mingmong
Approval: +3,916
|
Well, no more explanation needed. That really is a no brainier, we’d all do it.
Indeed, to multiply your wage by more than 10 is just not something to be sniffed at. Unless you maybe Doig.
|
|
|
|
|
sydney |
September 9, 2019, 11:00pm |
|
Fine Wine Drinker
Posts: 1,170
Posts Per Day: 0.28
Reputation: 80.9%
Rep Score: +9 / -2
Approval: +1,009
Gold Stars: 3
|
Long as Lincoln Drop Like a stone now and the natural order of things is restored Come on Town!!
|
|
|
|
|
jamesgtfc |
September 10, 2019, 12:19pm |
|
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 6,053
Posts Per Day: 1.16
Reputation: 79.95%
Rep Score: +20 / -5
Approval: +13,039
Gold Stars: 190
|
This could benefit us quite nicely if the rumours about MJ and Cowley meeting in the summer are true.
MJ has proven that he likes to give young players a chance so we could see some Huddersfield youngsters heading in this direction.
|
|
|
|
|
grimsby pete |
September 10, 2019, 12:37pm |
|
Exile
Posts: 55,735
Posts Per Day: 9.80
Reputation: 81.7%
Rep Score: +126 / -28
Location: Suffolk
Approval: +17,827
Gold Stars: 222
|
This could benefit us quite nicely if the rumours about MJ and Cowley meeting in the summer are true.
MJ has proven that he likes to give young players a chance so we could see some Huddersfield youngsters heading in this direction.
I hope when MJ leaves us it will be to at least a championship club. It will mean he will have a promotion on his CV.
|
| Over 36 years living in Suffolk but always a mariner. 68 Years following the Town
Life member of Trust
First game April 1955 |
|
|
|
|
RichMariner |
September 10, 2019, 1:02pm |
|
Brandy Drinker
Posts: 2,975
Posts Per Day: 0.50
Reputation: 89.39%
Rep Score: +42 / -4
Location: Garforth, Leeds
Approval: +9,160
Gold Stars: 211
|
Hmm, I've been thinking about this more and thought of something else we might be glossing over.
The Cowleys have, up until now, been working with grounded individuals. Think of what they did at Braintree. They had very little money and motivated part-timers to balance football with real world jobs to finish above us in the Conference.
I know Lincoln were full time when they joined but, even so, the same applies. Footballers at that level won't be earning much, and can't retire on their wealth.
I appreciate that the players they've brought in since being a League 2 side (and now League 1) are an increase in standard, but still, I'd say the majority of them have been playing around this level for a while.
Basically, there are no superstars.
Now, Cowley's going into a club that was last season in the Prem. They might not be world class players but they're still a cut above. I doubt there are many down-to-earth footballers at Huddersfield in terms of them knowing what life's like outside of the bubble.
Cowley might be able to get the very best out of limited footballers, motivating them with tactics, ambition, punching above their weight, etc. Now, he's got to pick up a load of players who are probably on very healthy salaries, possibly overpaid and probably not motivated by much other than £££.
I'm not saying he's destined to fail, but it's a totally different challenge (and environment) to what he's known before.
|
| "Don't shine that light in my face, mate - I've just lost a pint of blood." |
|
|
|
|
chrissy |
September 10, 2019, 1:41pm |
|
I LOVE GRIMSBY TOWN Table Wine Drinker
Posts: 924
Posts Per Day: 0.16
Reputation: 74.7%
Rep Score: +7 / -3
Approval: +563
|
Hmm, I've been thinking about this more and thought of something else we might be glossing over.
The Cowleys have, up until now, been working with grounded individuals. Think of what they did at Braintree. They had very little money and motivated part-timers to balance football with real world jobs to finish above us in the Conference.
I know Lincoln were full time when they joined but, even so, the same applies. Footballers at that level won't be earning much, and can't retire on their wealth.
I appreciate that the players they've brought in since being a League 2 side (and now League 1) are an increase in standard, but still, I'd say the majority of them have been playing around this level for a while.
Basically, there are no superstars.
Now, Cowley's going into a club that was last season in the Prem. They might not be world class players but they're still a cut above. I doubt there are many down-to-earth footballers at Huddersfield in terms of them knowing what life's like outside of the bubble.
Cowley might be able to get the very best out of limited footballers, motivating them with tactics, ambition, punching above their weight, etc. Now, he's got to pick up a load of players who are probably on very healthy salaries, possibly overpaid and probably not motivated by much other than £££.
I'm not saying he's destined to fail, but it's a totally different challenge (and environment) to what he's known before.
Some very good points there I would think thats why Hurst was not successful at Ipswich, Don't ask me why it is not working at Scunthorpe.
|
| I LOVE GRIMSBY TOWN
|
|
|
|
|
jamesgtfc |
September 10, 2019, 2:24pm |
|
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 6,053
Posts Per Day: 1.16
Reputation: 79.95%
Rep Score: +20 / -5
Approval: +13,039
Gold Stars: 190
|
Hmm, I've been thinking about this more and thought of something else we might be glossing over.
The Cowleys have, up until now, been working with grounded individuals. Think of what they did at Braintree. They had very little money and motivated part-timers to balance football with real world jobs to finish above us in the Conference.
I know Lincoln were full time when they joined but, even so, the same applies. Footballers at that level won't be earning much, and can't retire on their wealth.
I appreciate that the players they've brought in since being a League 2 side (and now League 1) are an increase in standard, but still, I'd say the majority of them have been playing around this level for a while.
Basically, there are no superstars.
Now, Cowley's going into a club that was last season in the Prem. They might not be world class players but they're still a cut above. I doubt there are many down-to-earth footballers at Huddersfield in terms of them knowing what life's like outside of the bubble.
Cowley might be able to get the very best out of limited footballers, motivating them with tactics, ambition, punching above their weight, etc. Now, he's got to pick up a load of players who are probably on very healthy salaries, possibly overpaid and probably not motivated by much other than £££.
I'm not saying he's destined to fail, but it's a totally different challenge (and environment) to what he's known before.
I would imagine players like Bostwick, Frecklington and Shackell will have served him well as they will have earned a handsome sum; particularly in the case of Shackell. That said, he's probably going from being the top earner or one of the top earners to managing a first team squad earning more than him. That in itself turns the hierarchy upside down. Be interesting to see if he can command their respect and what he does if he can't. He was teaching PE alongside management less than 5 years ago. That in itself will provide a huge barrier in winning over that dressing room.
|
|
|
|
|
Helgy |
September 10, 2019, 2:43pm |
|
Fine Wine Drinker
Posts: 1,032
Posts Per Day: 0.18
Reputation: 81.46%
Rep Score: +14 / -3
Approval: +118
|
Knew they would go it was plain to see as soon as they went on about budgets earlier in the season, not a shock to me. Taking over a club that's struggling isn't ideal & the step up is massive. Ainsworth said he was surprised by the step up to L1& it caught him out, so i'd imagine the step up to the Championship is why so many up and coming managers have been found out. Our board will get the right man in and its something they have been preparing for ever since they arrived.
|
|
|
|
|
TheRonRaffertyFanClub |
September 10, 2019, 3:35pm |
|
Posts: 7,638
Posts Per Day: 1.34
Reputation: 79.65%
Rep Score: +43 / -11
Location: Norfolk
Approval: +8,658
Gold Stars: 23
|
Hmm, I've been thinking about this more and thought of something else we might be glossing over.
The Cowleys have, up until now, been working with grounded individuals. Think of what they did at Braintree. They had very little money and motivated part-timers to balance football with real world jobs to finish above us in the Conference.
I know Lincoln were full time when they joined but, even so, the same applies. Footballers at that level won't be earning much, and can't retire on their wealth.
I appreciate that the players they've brought in since being a League 2 side (and now League 1) are an increase in standard, but still, I'd say the majority of them have been playing around this level for a while.
Basically, there are no superstars.
Now, Cowley's going into a club that was last season in the Prem. They might not be world class players but they're still a cut above. I doubt there are many down-to-earth footballers at Huddersfield in terms of them knowing what life's like outside of the bubble.
Cowley might be able to get the very best out of limited footballers, motivating them with tactics, ambition, punching above their weight, etc. Now, he's got to pick up a load of players who are probably on very healthy salaries, possibly overpaid and probably not motivated by much other than £££.
I'm not saying he's destined to fail, but it's a totally different challenge (and environment) to what he's known before.
This is what I meant earlier about Huddersfield recruitment policies. Most of the players are valued in the £2m to £5m bracket with one or two above that though the most is about £13m. From Cowley’s perspective you make some good points Rich. He has not been in charge of players worth even that much before. He will also need to spend in January to turn things round. Huddersfield have abandoned their previous policy for buying players, the one that got them promoted. So Cowley has a free hand but he has no experience of scouting or agents at this level either. I think this was one of the reasons for Hurst failing at Ipswich. The only players he could recruit were cast offs or ones he knew like Tojo and the fans soon realised he was out of his depth. The same applies to Jones at Stoke. New managers need time but even time is no help if they have no contacts abroad or at high levels in the PL/EFL.
|
| “If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.” ― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty." |
|
Logged |
|
|
|
|
Mariner Timsky |
September 10, 2019, 3:40pm |
|
Cocktail Drinker
Posts: 1,754
Posts Per Day: 0.42
Reputation: 86.91%
Rep Score: +5 / 0
Location: Northampton
Approval: +1,533
Gold Stars: 5
|
|
| Stand Up For The Mariners!!!!! Stand Up For The Mariners!!!!! |
|
|
|
|
Les Brechin |
September 10, 2019, 3:49pm |
|
Moderator
Posts: 23,802
Posts Per Day: 4.17
Reputation: 82.43%
Rep Score: +114 / -24
Location: Grimsby
Approval: +12,717
Gold Stars: 174
|
Knew they would go it was plain to see as soon as they went on about budgets earlier in the season, not a shock to me. Taking over a club that's struggling isn't ideal & the step up is massive. Ainsworth said he was surprised by the step up to L1& it caught him out, so i'd imagine the step up to the Championship is why so many up and coming managers have been found out. Our board will get the right man in and its something they have been preparing for ever since they arrived.
A bit like Paul Hurst, although I must say that he's doing a fantastic job at Scunny now/.
|
| [img]https://news.images.itv.com/image/file/402260/image_update_img.jpg[/img] OFFICIAL FUNDRAISER FOR THE BRAIN TUMOUR CHARITY TOTAL AMOUNT RAISED SINCE AUGUST 2008 £16613.24
LATEST DONATION - FROM DONATION FROM THE FISHY FORUM - AUG 2023 AMOUNT RAISED £170.00
|
|
|
|
|
grimsby pete |
September 10, 2019, 4:48pm |
|
Exile
Posts: 55,735
Posts Per Day: 9.80
Reputation: 81.7%
Rep Score: +126 / -28
Location: Suffolk
Approval: +17,827
Gold Stars: 222
|
Our board will get the right man in and its something they have been preparing for ever since they arrived.
A bit like our board they only give out 6 month contracts so they are always looking for the next man.
|
| Over 36 years living in Suffolk but always a mariner. 68 Years following the Town
Life member of Trust
First game April 1955 |
|
|
|
|
Lincoln Mariner 56 |
September 10, 2019, 5:17pm |
|
Brandy Drinker
Posts: 2,810
Posts Per Day: 0.61
Reputation: 83.82%
Rep Score: +23 / -4
Approval: +7,765
Gold Stars: 81
|
Knew they would go it was plain to see as soon as they went on about budgets earlier in the season, not a shock to me. Taking over a club that's struggling isn't ideal & the step up is massive. Ainsworth said he was surprised by the step up to L1& it caught him out, so i'd imagine the step up to the Championship is why so many up and coming managers have been found out. Our board will get the right man in and its something they have been preparing for ever since they arrived.
Lincoln are clearly very well run and Clive Nate’s appears a smart cookie however, as probably every professional football club in the country has found selecting the right manager is not as easy as probably most us fans believe it should be. Nearly 50 years ago we had Lawrie McMenemy in charge who built up the same rapport with town fans as the Cowleys have achieved at Lincoln and it took us a few goes before we got a decent replacement. As an aside we replaced Lawrie with Ron Ashman who was at the time managing Scunthorpe so be good if Lincoln follows the precedent and appoint Agent Hurst, nothing like a safe pair of hands 😄😩
|
|
|
|
|
Helgy |
September 10, 2019, 5:34pm |
|
Fine Wine Drinker
Posts: 1,032
Posts Per Day: 0.18
Reputation: 81.46%
Rep Score: +14 / -3
Approval: +118
|
Its a big no for Agent Hurst he already deep into his mission in guiding Scunny down the same path as Chesterfield with a back to back relegation.
|
|
|
|
|
RonMariner |
September 10, 2019, 7:11pm |
|
Posts: 7,850
Posts Per Day: 1.42
Reputation: 84.78%
Rep Score: +42 / -7
Approval: +13,796
Gold Stars: 226
|
Going to be a tough act to follow. They have delivered three trophies in three years. If the Imps do well this season fans will put it all down to the Cowley's, if not the new boss will be branded a failure.
Smart move by the Cowleys to jump ship now, before Lincoln have had chance to have a serious dip. They leave with a pretty unblemished record. They might well end up back there if things don't work out for them at Huddersfield.
|
|
|
|
|
RonMariner |
September 10, 2019, 7:14pm |
|
Posts: 7,850
Posts Per Day: 1.42
Reputation: 84.78%
Rep Score: +42 / -7
Approval: +13,796
Gold Stars: 226
|
Still think it's an odd appointment though. Huddersfield were in the Prem for the last two seasons and now they are managed by a pair that have managed less than a dozen games in L1, and a couple of seasons in L2.. I know they have a very good record in L2 and the Conference, but it still looks like a huge step up in class for them.
|
|
|
|
|
HertsGTFC |
September 10, 2019, 7:15pm |
|
Posts: 14,110
Posts Per Day: 4.26
Reputation: 75.4%
Rep Score: +29 / -10
Location: Stevenage
Approval: +22,985
Gold Stars: 228
|
Its a big no for Agent Hurst he already deep into his mission in guiding Scunny down the same path as Chesterfield with a back to back relegation.
Who would you prefer Helgy?
|
| "Crombie you would have got to that if you weren't such a fat ba%$@rd" - George Kerr, inspiration from the dug out 70s style |
|
|
|
|
KingstonMariner |
September 10, 2019, 8:06pm |
|
Meths Drinker
Posts: 22,096
Posts Per Day: 6.06
Reputation: 79.33%
Rep Score: +42 / -11
Approval: +23,440
Gold Stars: 218
|
Nah, it was Tojo's rash attitude that led Japan into premature war against America. Should have listened to Yamamoto.
|
| Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same. |
|
|
|
|
Helgy |
September 11, 2019, 11:44am |
|
Fine Wine Drinker
Posts: 1,032
Posts Per Day: 0.18
Reputation: 81.46%
Rep Score: +14 / -3
Approval: +118
|
Who would you prefer Helgy?
Ainsworth ticks all the boxes for me ,was a legend here as a player & still well respected. We need to get over the ghost of the Cowley's happens to every club after a successful spell, Ipswich is like a memorial to Bobby Robson they absolutely live in the past in that respect honour the past but still don't live it. Cowley's have lost 5 out of the past 6 games & go to a team in freefall 1 point all season ,it's toxic there and if results don't go their way straight away the pressure will be on. Think although its set them up for life ,career wise its a massive gamble.
|
|
|
|
|
Posh Harry |
September 11, 2019, 12:27pm |
|
Cocktail Drinker
Posts: 1,773
Posts Per Day: 0.56
Reputation: 82.14%
Rep Score: +15 / -3
Approval: +4,370
Gold Stars: 35
|
Ainsworth ticks all the boxes for me ,was a legend here as a player & still well respected. We need to get over the ghost of the Cowley's happens to every club after a successful spell, Ipswich is like a memorial to Bobby Robson they absolutely live in the past in that respect honour the past but still don't live it. Cowley's have lost 5 out of the past 6 games & go to a team in freefall 1 point all season ,it's toxic there and if results don't go their way straight away the pressure will be on. Think although its set them up for life ,career wise its a massive gamble.
And if Wycombe still play the same way they did when we last played them he will be looking to get Matt Rhead back. Complete hoofball merchants, very anti ‘football’. I thought Lincoln were now tippy tappy!?
|
|
|
|
|
thefish |
September 11, 2019, 12:29pm |
|
Table Wine Drinker
Posts: 927
Posts Per Day: 0.17
Reputation: 88.19%
Rep Score: +14 / -1
Approval: +2,267
Gold Stars: 67
|
Ainsworth ticks all the boxes for me ,was a legend here as a player & still well respected. We need to get over the ghost of the Cowley's happens to every club after a successful spell, Ipswich is like a memorial to Bobby Robson they absolutely live in the past in that respect honour the past but still don't live it. Cowley's have lost 5 out of the past 6 games & go to a team in freefall 1 point all season ,it's toxic there and if results don't go their way straight away the pressure will be on. Think although its set them up for life ,career wise its a massive gamble.
However, if it goes wrong for them then by just being sacked they'd be set up financially for life! On top of that, they'd walk back into a League 2 job (see Paul Hurst)! Although, I do appreciate that money isn't everything...
|
|
|
|
|
jamesgtfc |
September 11, 2019, 12:40pm |
|
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 6,053
Posts Per Day: 1.16
Reputation: 79.95%
Rep Score: +20 / -5
Approval: +13,039
Gold Stars: 190
|
If this move do we sent work out, I think their record to date gives them another 2 decent opportunities before they join the merry go round.
|
|
|
|
|
TheRonRaffertyFanClub |
September 11, 2019, 5:13pm |
|
Posts: 7,638
Posts Per Day: 1.34
Reputation: 79.65%
Rep Score: +43 / -11
Location: Norfolk
Approval: +8,658
Gold Stars: 23
|
I know we have nearly talked this one to death but here's Gregor Robertson's take on the move. It is interesting as well because Town and Hurst get a mention.
Sorry I can't link to a subscription site so it's a long paste job.
The rise of Danny Cowley, the new Huddersfield Town manager, and his brother and assistant Nicky, began in the Essex Senior League at Concord Rangers, who they ascended three tiers to the National League South with meagre resources. They led Braintree Town to the National League play-off semi-finals in 2016, taking the Grimsby Town team this columnist played for to extra time in the second leg with a group of players assembled on a quarter of our playing budget, armed with remarkable team spirit, organisation and endeavour.
They led Lincoln City to the National League and League Two titles and the club’s first visit to Wembley, where they lifted the EFL trophy, in 2018. A city was inspired by that remarkable voyage to the FA Cup quarter-final in 2017, which also gripped the nation. Crowds at Sincil Bank trebled.
In the last couple of years they resisted overtures from Ipswich Town, Nottingham Forest, West Bromwich Albion, Hull City and Sheffield Wednesday. But on Tuesday they finally agreed to take the next step in their burgeoning careers with Huddersfield, relegated from the Premier League last season, without a win in 17 games in all competitions and dumped out of the Carabao Cup last month by, erm, Lincoln.
So why now? The reasons for a manager wishing to test himself at a higher level are usually not that hard to decipher. Danny Cowley said at his unveiling on Tuesday that he didn’t want to “die wondering”. He has been given assurances about control over recruitment. And of course the financial rewards will be enormous for two men who were PE teachers at FitzWimarc school in Essex until little more than three years ago.
You would have to look pretty hard to find anyone who doesn’t think Huddersfield have made an astute appointment. But the same has been said for numerous predecessors and such moves for a lower-league manager by Championship clubs remain relatively rare.
As history shows, successfully bridging the gulf is no mean feat. Only three Championship clubs other than Huddersfield have managers or head coaches who joined from lower league clubs. The most recent was Grant McCann, the former Doncaster Rovers manager, who was poached by Hull City in the summer. While it is too early to gauge his chances on Humberside, Hull reside in 20th place with five points from their opening six games.
Nathan Jones, the highly rated former Luton Town manager, was lured away by Stoke City in January. In three seasons at Kenilworth Road the Welshman had lifted the club from the lower reaches of League Two to the verge of the Championship, scoring 301 goals in 170 games in the process, and leaving with the best win rate of any manager in Luton’s history. Stoke, however, are winless and languishing at the foot of the table and Jones will need to find his fourth league win since arriving at the club pretty soon.
The third is Lee Johnson, the Bristol City manager, who left Barnsley for Ashton Gate in 2016. He has endured fallow periods when the pressure has spiked, but a rare patience has proved well-founded and City, fifth in the Championship, are looking forward with optimism.
Dean Smith, the Aston Villa manager, who left Walsall for Brentford in 2015, was similarly blessed with an employer with long-term vision, but few lower-league managers are that fortunate. Looking further back over the past decade, there have been many more misses than hits. The tenures of Russell Slade (Leyton Orient to Cardiff City, 2014), Uwe Rosler (Brentford to Wigan, 2013), Dean Saunders (Doncaster to Wolves, 2013), Keith Hill (Rochdale to Barnsley, 2011) and Darren Ferguson (Peterborough to Preston, 2010) were shorter than two seasons and none are remembered particularly fondly.
Perhaps the closest parallel to the Cowleys, though, is Paul Hurst who, before his arrival at Ipswich Town last summer, also cut his teeth in non-League and in 2018 very nearly led Shrewsbury Town to League One promotion with one of the smallest budgets in the division. Defeat by Rotherham United in the League One play-off final in his first full season in Shropshire followed promotions with Grimsby Town, Boston United and Ilkeston Town during a decade-long journey towards a shot at the second tier. Hurst was sacked after just 14 games and the Ipswich crashed out of the Championship with a whimper last season.
Hurst, like Jones at Stoke, found a dissonant dressing room and the challenge of galvanising a group of millionaires smarting from relegation or exclusion from the team may not be as straightforward as engaging the naughty school children the Cowleys once taught and compared footballers to in Tuesday’s press conference.
Gary Rowett (Burton Albion to Birmingham City, 2014) has proved himself a capable manager at Championship level but would almost certainly agree. Since his spells in charge of Derby County and Stoke City, two clubs with hefty resources, expectation levels and egos within their ranks, the 45-year-old has spoken about life being easier when money was tight and the job simply about improving your players on the training ground.
The truth is that the most common route to success, and longevity, as a manager in the Championship is leading a club there yourself. Neil Harris, the Millwall manager, took the club up via the League One play-offs in 2017. Paul Cook, the Wigan manager who cut his teeth with Accrington Stanley, Chesterfield and Portsmouth, won automatic League One promotion with the Latics in 2018. Likewise, Lee Bowyer, the Charlton Athletic manager, won last season’s League One play-offs and is unbeaten in second this term.
Of course, Chris Wilder, the Sheffield United manager, went further still, taking Sheffield United from League One to the Premier League in the space of three seasons. Paul Lambert did the same at Norwich City with back-to-back promotions between 2009 and 2011.
Ascending to the second tier, though, with a team you built and your standing at a club firmly entrenched, is a very different dynamic. The Cowleys had that at Lincoln City, presently fifth in League One, where promotion this season was a realistic ambition.
Who knows, perhaps they will soon come to wonder if the grass was really greener?
|
| “If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.” ― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty." |
|
Logged |
|
|
|
|
KingstonMariner |
September 11, 2019, 9:56pm |
|
Meths Drinker
Posts: 22,096
Posts Per Day: 6.06
Reputation: 79.33%
Rep Score: +42 / -11
Approval: +23,440
Gold Stars: 218
|
Good article. Thanks for posting it RRFC.
The fact you're taking money out of the Times is a bonus!
|
| Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same. |
|
|
|
|
Helgy |
September 12, 2019, 10:45am |
|
Fine Wine Drinker
Posts: 1,032
Posts Per Day: 0.18
Reputation: 81.46%
Rep Score: +14 / -3
Approval: +118
|
Yes Lincoln’s style has evolved but so has Wycombe L1 is a big step up , liked the article above think it’s quite accurate.
|
|
|
|
|
TheRonRaffertyFanClub |
September 12, 2019, 10:50am |
|
Posts: 7,638
Posts Per Day: 1.34
Reputation: 79.65%
Rep Score: +43 / -11
Location: Norfolk
Approval: +8,658
Gold Stars: 23
|
It struck me that there are parallels here with Buckley and with Kerr.
|
| “If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.” ― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty." |
|
Logged |
|
|
|
|
KingstonMariner |
September 12, 2019, 10:54pm |
|
Meths Drinker
Posts: 22,096
Posts Per Day: 6.06
Reputation: 79.33%
Rep Score: +42 / -11
Approval: +23,440
Gold Stars: 218
|
As far as I know, Wycombe haven't got a pot to urine in so Ainsworth has done a good job. Clearly got some ability. And he laughs off being asked 'where's your caravan?' So he'll be a good appointment for Lincoln.
|
| Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same. |
|
|
|
|
Lincoln Mariner 56 |
September 12, 2019, 11:39pm |
|
Brandy Drinker
Posts: 2,810
Posts Per Day: 0.61
Reputation: 83.82%
Rep Score: +23 / -4
Approval: +7,765
Gold Stars: 81
|
As far as I know, Wycombe haven't got a pot to urine in so Ainsworth has done a good job. Clearly got some ability. And he laughs off being asked 'where's your caravan?' So he'll be a good appointment for Lincoln.
Married to a Lincoln girl as well so strong favourite I would say.
|
|
|
|
|
KingstonMariner |
September 13, 2019, 12:57am |
|
Meths Drinker
Posts: 22,096
Posts Per Day: 6.06
Reputation: 79.33%
Rep Score: +42 / -11
Approval: +23,440
Gold Stars: 218
|
Married to a Lincoln girl as well so strong favourite I would say.
Ah, the Ben Davies Hypothesis.
|
| Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same. |
|
|
|
|
Civvy at last |
September 13, 2019, 3:27am |
|
Posts: 11,469
Posts Per Day: 2.04
Reputation: 74.47%
Rep Score: +36 / -13
Approval: +12,207
Gold Stars: 131
|
Married to a Lincoln girl as well so strong favourite I would say.
I didn’t realise he had a sister from Lincoln !!
|
| The wife was going away for a girly weekend. I jokingly remarked 'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football' 'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked She said 'Well you already know how to play football' |
|
|
|
|
Helgy |
September 13, 2019, 4:34pm |
|
Fine Wine Drinker
Posts: 1,032
Posts Per Day: 0.18
Reputation: 81.46%
Rep Score: +14 / -3
Approval: +118
|
As far as I know, Wycombe haven't got a pot to urine in so Ainsworth has done a good job. Clearly got some ability. And he laughs off being asked 'where's your caravan?' So he'll be a good appointment for Lincoln.
They have an interested Yank investor coming in their trust runs the club are in talks with him, think Ainsworth is trying to up the ante get the investment in or I am off . That said its the same bloke who tried to take over Yeovil he walked just before he had to do the ELF FAP test
|
|
|
|
|
KingstonMariner |
September 13, 2019, 10:02pm |
|
Meths Drinker
Posts: 22,096
Posts Per Day: 6.06
Reputation: 79.33%
Rep Score: +42 / -11
Approval: +23,440
Gold Stars: 218
|
They have an interested Yank investor coming in their trust runs the club are in talks with him, think Ainsworth is trying to up the ante get the investment in or I am off . That said its the same bloke who tried to take over Yeovil he walked just before he had to do the ELF FAP test
Dodgy Dave the ex-con, one-armed window cleaner could pass the EFL FAP test.
|
| Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same. |
|
|
|
|
TheRonRaffertyFanClub |
September 14, 2019, 10:25am |
|
Posts: 7,638
Posts Per Day: 1.34
Reputation: 79.65%
Rep Score: +43 / -11
Location: Norfolk
Approval: +8,658
Gold Stars: 23
|
Dodgy Dave the ex-con, one-armed window cleaner could pass the EFL FAP test.
I wondered why my front bay had gone opaque.
|
| “If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.” ― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty." |
|
Logged |
|
|
|
|
KingstonMariner |
September 14, 2019, 10:30am |
|
Meths Drinker
Posts: 22,096
Posts Per Day: 6.06
Reputation: 79.33%
Rep Score: +42 / -11
Approval: +23,440
Gold Stars: 218
|
I wondered why my front bay had gone opaque.
And why your pension pot was empty
|
| Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same. |
|
|
|
|
promotion plaice |
September 15, 2019, 1:53pm |
|
Moderator
Posts: 19,654
Posts Per Day: 3.85
Reputation: 64.79%
Rep Score: +20 / -13
Location: Cleethorpes
Approval: +17,086
Gold Stars: 200
|
Cowley's first game in charge, a 2-0 home defeat to Sheffield Wednesday and could easily have been more.
Huddersfield sounded poor, Cowley's got a big job on there.
|
| When Leeds trainer Les Cocker was once told Norman Hunter had broken a leg, he asked: “Whose is it?” |
|
|
|
|
TheRonRaffertyFanClub |
September 15, 2019, 1:59pm |
|
Posts: 7,638
Posts Per Day: 1.34
Reputation: 79.65%
Rep Score: +43 / -11
Location: Norfolk
Approval: +8,658
Gold Stars: 23
|
Cowley's first game in charge, a 2-0 home defeat to Sheffield Wednesday and could easily have been more.
Huddersfield sounded poor, Cowley's got a big job on there.
He will find it a bit difficult with only 5 year olds to choose from.
|
| “If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.” ― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty." |
|
Logged |
|
|
|
|
Fishy clapper |
September 15, 2019, 2:06pm |
|
Lager Top Drinker
Posts: 236
Posts Per Day: 0.14
Reputation: 68.04%
Rep Score: +3 / -3
Approval: +78
Gold Stars: 14
|
Dodgy Dave the ex-con, one-armed window cleaner could pass the EFL FAP test.
I use to be a ringer outter for a one armed window cleaner
|
|
|
|
|
Limerick Mariner |
September 18, 2019, 12:01am |
|
Whiskey Drinker
Posts: 3,358
Posts Per Day: 0.56
Reputation: 78.12%
Rep Score: +10 / -3
Location: Melton Mowbray
Approval: +5,726
Gold Stars: 137
|
Didn't take long did it...
...to get back to Lincoln away followings more typical of the last 40 years, 451 Imps fans at Rochdale tonight...
|
|
|
|
|
TownSNAFU5 |
September 18, 2019, 12:17am |
|
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 5,979
Posts Per Day: 1.13
Reputation: 62.03%
Rep Score: +30 / -21
Location: York
Approval: +6,894
Gold Stars: 42
|
Huddersfield got £90 Million plus for geting relegated. Plenty for the Cowley's to use.
|
|
Logged |
Online |
|
|
|
The_Laughing_Mariner |
September 18, 2019, 12:49am |
|
Brandy Drinker
Posts: 2,838
Posts Per Day: 0.47
Reputation: 78.02%
Rep Score: +17 / -5
Approval: +1,041
Gold Stars: 10
|
450 isn't bad
|
| <'(((((<
When I was a little boy I asked my daddy what would i be would I be United, would i be Leeds Here's what he said to me
Oh Grimsby Grimsby Whatever will be will be You'll follow then faithfully Oh Grimsby Grimsby
Tell me Mam me Mam I dont want no tea no tea I'm watching the Grimsby Tell me Mam me mam |
|
|
|
|