|
Posh Harry |
|
Cocktail Drinker
Posts: 1,773
Posts Per Day: 0.56
Reputation: 82.14%
Rep Score: +15 / -3
Approval: +4,369
Gold Stars: 35
|
Bet we will if the toe of his boot or his hand is ruled offside. You really can't tell me that a minute bit of a player (toe, arm, knee etc) being 'Offside' is what the rule is really about. Surely there has to be a clear advantage in the shape of a large part of the attacker being beyond the last defender. My concern is that VAR on offsides using such small parts of the player will totally do away with being 'level' and therefore onside. Given the closeup and slowdown of the film there will never be an exact 'level' How many dead heats are there in racing these days?
That’s the problem with using var for offsides. They have to have a set rule and stick by it so if a toe is offside by the law then they have to give it offside. The rules have to be the same for everyone and not subjective e.g. if a toe is acceptable and not offside, then is the foot or how much of the foot etc. I do think var is the right thing for diving, penalties, sendings off etc, but at the moment it should not be used for offside as it is impossible to ‘give the benefit of the doubt’ to the attacking player and will therefore result in less goals from open play. Saying that, wIth the new handball rule the game is moving towards a penalty shoot out over 90 minutes so that will be giving us 10-9 score lines. Next rule is to allow clubs to bring on a specialist penalty taker each time they have one. 😢
|
|
|
|
|
mariner91 |
|
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 15,519
Posts Per Day: 2.64
Reputation: 86.91%
Rep Score: +78 / -11
Location: Lincs
Approval: +19,726
Gold Stars: 262
|
It will change the game and not for the better. Strikers will stop trying to play off the shoulder or at least won’t gamble as much because there will be no point when you only need your foreskin to be offside for the goal to be disallowed. So we’ll get less one on ones and less goals, two of the best things in football. It’s already been shown to make the atmosphere a lot worse, losing the spontaneity and excitement that a goal should bring.
Some of the best bits of football in my opinion are when a clear or perceived error by the ref goes against Town in an important game. It cranks the atmosphere up in the stands and that often translates to a feistier game too which is more entertaining. I love it and ultimately I go to the game to be entertained. We’ve been on the end of some shocking decisions (Bristol Rovers keeper anyone?) but I’m sure we’ve benefited from some as well. And so what? It’s a sport, not life or death. And if the entertainment valued is diminished in the quest to make sure everything is exactly right then in my opinion it’s not worth it. Just because we can do it, doesn’t mean we should. That’s before we even get in to the argument about football fouls being subjective so even when it is used it’s often controversial. So you basically make the game worse without actually getting a benefit from it.
In summary, VAR is shite.
|
|
|
|
|
Les Brechin |
|
Moderator
Posts: 23,802
Posts Per Day: 4.17
Reputation: 82.43%
Rep Score: +114 / -24
Location: Grimsby
Approval: +12,717
Gold Stars: 174
|
Bet we will if the toe of his boot or his hand is ruled offside. You really can't tell me that a minute bit of a player (toe, arm, knee etc) being 'Offside' is what the rule is really about. Surely there has to be a clear advantage in the shape of a large part of the attacker being beyond the last defender. My concern is that VAR on offsides using such small parts of the player will totally do away with being 'level' and therefore onside. Given the closeup and slowdown of the film there will never be an exact 'level' How many dead heats are there in racing these days?
Here's the latest ruling from the FA website Swin, if you can understand all the waffling on. At least arms and hands don't count so you can't be offside for pointing where you want the ball to be played!
Quoted Text
Offside position It is not an offence to be in an offside position.
A player is in an offside position if:
any part of the head, body or feet is in the opponents’ half (excluding the halfway line) and any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent The hands and arms of all players, including the goalkeepers, are not considered.
A player is not in an offside position if level with the:
second-last opponent or last two opponents
Offside offence A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or interfering with an opponent by: preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or challenging an opponent for the ball or clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
*The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used or
gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has: rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent been deliberately saved by any opponent A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.
A ‘save’ is when a player stops, or attempts to stop, a ball which is going into or very close to the goal with any part of the body except the hands/arms (unless the goalkeeper within the penalty area).
In situations where:
a player moving from, or standing in, an offside position is in the way of an opponent and interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball this is an offside offence if it impacts on the ability of the opponent to play or challenge for the ball; if the player moves into the way of an opponent and impedes the opponent's progress (e.g blocks the opponent) the offence should be penalised under Law 12 a player in an offisde position is moving towards the ball with the intention of playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred before the offside offence an offence is committed against a player in an offside position who is already playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the offside offence is penalised as it has occurred before the foul challenge
No offence There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
a goal kick a throw-in a corner kick
Offences and sanctions
If an offside offence occurs, the referee awards an indirect free kick where the offence occurred, including if it is in the player’s own half of the field of play.
A defending player who leaves the field of play without the referee’s permission shall be considered to be on the goal line or touchline for the purposes of offside until the next stoppage in play or until the defending team has played the ball towards the halfway line and it is outside its penalty area. If the player left the field of play deliberately, the player must be cautioned when the ball is next out of play.
An attacking player may step or stay off the field of play not to be involved in active play. If the player re-enters from the goal line and becomes involved in play before the next stoppage in play, or the defending team has played the ball towards the halfway line and it is outside its penalty area, the player shall be considered to be positioned on the goal line for the purposes of offside. A player who deliberately leaves the field of play and re-enters without the referee’s permission and is not penalised for offside and gains an advantage, must be cautioned.
If an attacking player remains stationary between the goalposts and inside the goal as the ball enters the goal, a goal must be awarded unless the player commits an offside offence or Law 12 offence in which case play is restarted with an indirect or direct free kick.
|
| [img]https://news.images.itv.com/image/file/402260/image_update_img.jpg[/img] OFFICIAL FUNDRAISER FOR THE BRAIN TUMOUR CHARITY TOTAL AMOUNT RAISED SINCE AUGUST 2008 £16613.24
LATEST DONATION - FROM DONATION FROM THE FISHY FORUM - AUG 2023 AMOUNT RAISED £170.00
|
|
|
|
|
Maringer |
|
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 11,224
Posts Per Day: 1.87
Reputation: 82.93%
Rep Score: +60 / -12
Approval: +16,643
Gold Stars: 189
|
It's very nose-ist, isn't it? If you've got a large conk, you've got the potential to be flagged offside when somebody with a small nose wouldn't be!
|
|
|
|
|
Posh Harry |
|
Cocktail Drinker
Posts: 1,773
Posts Per Day: 0.56
Reputation: 82.14%
Rep Score: +15 / -3
Approval: +4,369
Gold Stars: 35
|
It's very nose-ist, isn't it? If you've got a large conk, you've got the potential to be flagged offside when somebody with a small nose wouldn't be!
For those old enough Paul Mariner would have had a few chalked off!
|
|
|
|
|
Grimal |
|
Whiskey Drinker
Posts: 3,405
Posts Per Day: 0.90
Reputation: 79.34%
Rep Score: +19 / -5
Approval: +2,876
Gold Stars: 9
|
For those old enough Paul Mariner would have had a few chalked off!
It's a good job Barry Manilow is a singer and not a footballer,if he was facing the opponents goal he would be flagged offside even if he was stood in his own half. Sorry Barry.
|
|
|
|
|
lew chaterleys lover |
|
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 5,014
Posts Per Day: 1.07
Reputation: 75.9%
Rep Score: +30 / -10
Approval: +10,745
Gold Stars: 237
|
It will change the game and not for the better. Strikers will stop trying to play off the shoulder or at least won’t gamble as much because there will be no point when you only need your foreskin to be offside for the goal to be disallowed. So we’ll get less one on ones and less goals, two of the best things in football. It’s already been shown to make the atmosphere a lot worse, losing the spontaneity and excitement that a goal should bring.
Some of the best bits of football in my opinion are when a clear or perceived error by the ref goes against Town in an important game. It cranks the atmosphere up in the stands and that often translates to a feistier game too which is more entertaining. I love it and ultimately I go to the game to be entertained. We’ve been on the end of some shocking decisions (Bristol Rovers keeper anyone?) but I’m sure we’ve benefited from some as well. And so what? It’s a sport, not life or death. And if the entertainment valued is diminished in the quest to make sure everything is exactly right then in my opinion it’s not worth it. Just because we can do it, doesn’t mean we should. That’s before we even get in to the argument about football fouls being subjective so even when it is used it’s often controversial. So you basically make the game worse without actually getting a benefit from it.
In summary, VAR is shite.
A perfect summary. Football is a game of mistakes when you think about it. Players, managers and officials all make mistakes that can win or lose games, but that is part and parcel of the game and also makes it unpredictable.- and enjoyable. Even when a decision goes to VAR it is sometimes impossible to absolutely sure so why not just let the officials make the decisions and use VAR for goal line technology?
|
|
Logged |
|
|
|
|
KingstonMariner |
|
Meths Drinker
Posts: 22,096
Posts Per Day: 6.06
Reputation: 79.33%
Rep Score: +42 / -11
Approval: +23,440
Gold Stars: 218
|
Disappointing so far. Do we like the right mentality? Commentary team making the tired/disappointed excuse. What do they think the Swedes were doing Wednesday?!!
|
| Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same. |
|
|
|
|
KingstonMariner |
|
Meths Drinker
Posts: 22,096
Posts Per Day: 6.06
Reputation: 79.33%
Rep Score: +42 / -11
Approval: +23,440
Gold Stars: 218
|
Well worked goal. I hope they make me eat my words.
|
| Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same. |
|
|
|
|
KingstonMariner |
|
Meths Drinker
Posts: 22,096
Posts Per Day: 6.06
Reputation: 79.33%
Rep Score: +42 / -11
Approval: +23,440
Gold Stars: 218
|
flipping hell! Where did that come from?!
|
| Through the door there came familiar laughter, I saw your face and heard you call my name. Oh my friend we're older but no wiser, For in our hearts the dreams are still the same. |
|
|
|
|