The Great Leap Forward

Quoted from rancido

I'm not supporting any position , certainly not JF's. Just pointing out some scenarios in the situation. Once again a poster thinks because I don't condemn JF then I must support him. Can't somebody just be neutral and point out both sides of the argument? But then again this is The Fishy and opinions must be polarised - no middle ground allowed here. As far as the Slade fiasco is concerned , it seems that you would rather blame JF than consider there was another side to the situation.

Remind me, what was the other side to the Slade fiasco?

PS and don't tar the whole Fishy with my views. Some of the others are quite reasonable by comparison to me.

Quoted from rancido

I'm not supporting any position , certainly not JF's. Just pointing out some scenarios in the situation. Once again a poster thinks because I don't condemn JF then I must support him. Can't somebody just be neutral and point out both sides of the argument? But then again this is The Fishy and opinions must be polarised - no middle ground allowed here. As far as the Slade fiasco is concerned , it seems that you would rather blame JF than consider there was another side to the situation.

The thing that remains glaringly obvious is that Slade in 2006 and Hurst in 2016 both left as soon as another club came calling. They are the only two managers that have been remotely successful since 2004 and I'm sure that Michael Jolley will also, in the future, have aspirations of working at a higher level.

Why, therefore, would you let the club's most important asset leave under his terms and not the club's? Isn't it just solid business practice to tie him in for as long as possible (if you believe in him, that is)?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

The thing that remains glaringly obvious is that Slade in 2006 and Hurst in 2016 both left as soon as another club came calling. They are the only two managers that have been remotely successful since 2004 and I'm sure that Michael Jolley will also, in the future, have aspirations of working at a higher level.

Why, therefore, would you let the club's most important asset leave under his terms and not the club's? Isn't it just solid business practice to tie him in for as long as possible (if you believe in him, that is)?

That's assuming he wants to be tied in to a longer contract. It may seem obvious to us that he would want that security but he might have a different vision for his future and anything other than a rolling contract doesn't fit in with that. Let's face it , you can't make him sign a different contract.
As far as Slade and Hurst were concerned I seem to recall they both went to higher division clubs.

Quoted from rancido

That's assuming he wants to be tied in to a longer contract. It may seem obvious to us that he would want that security but he might have a different vision for his future and anything other than a rolling contract doesn't fit in with that. Let's face it , you can't make him sign a different contract.
As far as Slade and Hurst were concerned I seem to recall they both went to higher division clubs.

Gawd we are never going to get anywhere with an attitude like that.

If the Board think he is the right man to bring their much vaunted "footballing fortune" then back him to the hilt. Offer him better a better deal, ask him, plead with him to be the man that takes us up the leagues and get us respected in the game again.

Get him tied up and make it difficult for other clubs for the next few years to undo any good work by snapping him up. Lincoln has done that with a management team who they believed would be good for the club, why cannot we do the same if indeed the club thinks he is the right man?

I think Bigdog continually makes the point that without a vision and blueprint any improvements will be short-lived if the club doesn't know what it wants and has a plan to deliver it. If the Board think Jolley is the first brick in a long term plan then let them show some intent.

The board have to ignore people like me who wanted him gone after the Morecambe home game and that series of defeats, but they have the advantage of seeing him every day and by now will have formed their impressions of whether he is the right man or not.

Quoted from Son of Cod

Just checked and we finished that match 4 points ahead of Notts County in 23rd, but they were beating Morecambe at a point when Northampton were beating us so that would have been correct yeah. Finished the match 9 points ahead of Macc though, so we never went bottom.

I've actually pulled something in my brain trying to work out the permutations of this.

Quoted from Meza

I'd also add a minimum fee release to give the club compensation

£2m should cover it nicely.....

The problem we have had in the past is that we have mostly got managerial appointments wrong, and subsequently the players they brought into the club were also wrong, meaning lots of pay offs over the years. Rolling contracts for managers, and short term contracts for players has come about because we have got our fingers burned too often paying for recruitment mistakes. This also leads to short term thinking and waiting for something to click, or "football fortune" as it's known.

We need to get away from this and build something long term. We have started giving players longer contracts, so maybe it's about time we started to do the same with managers, as we used to. If you believe you have the right man for the job, back your judgement and give a 2 year deal. JF says that rolling contracts protect both parties, and he's right, until some massive club like Shrewsbury come along and take your manager from you.

Given that J.F has made so many poor decisions by the laws of probability sooner of later he was going to make a good one.You know he has got your backside out of the fire ,so now reward him with contract he deserves.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Gawd we are never going to get anywhere with an attitude like that.

If the Board think he is the right man to bring their much vaunted "footballing fortune" then back him to the hilt. Offer him better a better deal, ask him, plead with him to be the man that takes us up the leagues and get us respected in the game again.

Get him tied up and make it difficult for other clubs for the next few years to undo any good work by snapping him up. Lincoln has done that with a management team who they believed would be good for the club, why cannot we do the same if indeed the club thinks he is the right man?

I think Bigdog continually makes the point that without a vision and blueprint any improvements will be short-lived if the club doesn't know what it wants and has a plan to deliver it. If the Board think Jolley is the first brick in a long term plan then let them show some intent.

The board have to ignore people like me who wanted him gone after the Morecambe home game and that series of defeats, but they have the advantage of seeing him every day and by now will have formed their impressions of whether he is the right man or not.

It's nothing to do with " an attitude like that ". Ok , so maybe I'm playing " Devil's Advocate " here and I would love to get MJ on a contract of at least 2 years , preferably 3. All I pointed out was  maybe MJ doesn't want a change of arrangement. Once again a poster has not read properly what was posted or chose to interpret it in a different way.