Brexit

That about sums it up Ginny  

Quoted from ska face

Can never get my head around this lazy way of thinking. Like Rob said, you can’t reduce the argument to a simple “we pay x, they get y” statement.

Look at the NHS for example. Almost 6% of NHS staff are EU nationals from outside the UK, about 63,000 people. The UK benefits from their labour and expertise without having spent a single penny on their schooling or training until they walked into the country. How much does it cost to train a doctor or a nurse or school and raise someone that now comes and pays taxes in the UK? Try amount that times 63,000. THAT’S the benefit of being in the EU, as that money saved CAN be spent “looking after our own”, as people like to say.

And that’s just one tiny example from an innumerable amount.

So we are reliant on the 63000 medical people from the EU? tell you what if we get rid of all the Immigrants then im sure there would not be this burden on the NHS. racist No im not. just dont like bullshit figures banded around to justify someones point when its inaccurate

Quoted from monkeyboy

So we are reliant on the 63000 medical people from the EU? tell you what if we get rid of all the Immigrants then im sure there would not be this burden on the NHS. racist No im not. just dont like bullshit figures banded around to justify someones point when its inaccurate

Nobody said you were a racist, but interesting that that’s what you’ve immediately jumped to defend (whilst screaming “get rid of the immigrants).

You may not be a racist, but you are a div. Bullshit figures is it? Here you go, read it for yourself.

https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7783

Are we reliant on them? Well reduce your workforce overnight by 63,000 and see how you get on. Obviously not reliant on 6% of your staff, but it’s going to be a problem if they all disappear, which is an issue when their job is to keep people alive.

When you go to a hospital do you generally see if full of migrants? No, it’s full of old people, fat people, smokers, urine cans and chronics. Not many poles who spend their days slogging their balderdash off in factories and becoming net contributors to the economy. Get rid of the migrants and say goodbye to their tax contributions which help keep the NHS running for everyone.

Quoted from monkeyboy

So we are reliant on the 63000 medical people from the EU? tell you what if we get rid of all the Immigrants then im sure there would not be this burden on the NHS. racist No im not. just dont like bullshit figures banded around to justify someones point when its inaccurate

I work for the NHS and can tell you from first hand experience that immigrants put far more into the NHS than they take out. If they all go, we're up shitcreek.

Quoted from mariner91

I work for the NHS and can tell you from first hand experience that immigrants put far more into the NHS than they take out. If they all go, we're up shitcreek.

As a regular customer of West Suffolk Hospital I can confirm that is true,

We would be lost without them.

Quoted from grimsby pete

As a regular customer of West Suffolk Hospital I can confirm that is true,

We would be lost without them.

But my point being is it is relative to the amount of Immigrants in the country now, if there wasnt such a huge influx then the service would not be as stretched.
Obviously the Goverment play the biggest role by budget cutting.

My main moan about the discussions was highlighted in question time the other night,

The main sticking block for most is the Irish backstop,

The lady from the Telegraph (  not the Grimsby one )  

Said, " if a no deal was the result the EU would use technology to prevent a hard border so why don't they just do that anyway so a deal could be agreed, "  ?

Common sense might appear before the end of March,

BUT

I will not hold my breath.

So Nissan has decided not to build their X-Trail here largely because of the brexit debacle.

1. The UK decides decides to leave the EU, the world's leading free-trade arrangements, and instead put up trade, customs and tariff barriers for goods, including cars.
2. Japan sets up a free trade deal with the EU meaning zero tarriffs on cars
3. Japan decides that it is therefore easier to supply cars to Europe direct from Japan rather than from the UK.
4. By leaving the EU the UK won't even have the trade deal with Japan either.
5. Multiply this effect across the economy and all our over the next ten years+

Other firms are moving their HQ's to mainland Europe so they maintain full access to the EU and even Brexiteer James Dyson has moved his company HQ to Singapore (so he doesn't have to pay as much tax but please keep listening to him about how good Brexit will be for the UK).

All this is simply dismissed by the Brexiteers as scaremongering.

Well, I suppose, reality can be touch scary.

If you are a leaver or a  remainer one thing I think we can all agree on is,

The government and May have made a right useless mess of negotiating  any type of deal.