John Terry apology

Terry has written a letter of apology to Anton Ferdinand...

"Good golly Anton, sorry about all this monkey business, its only a little black humour really & its all gone banannas, what do you say we call a spade a spade & end all this whole dark episode between us ? Feel free to swing by for a drink sometime, John.

Quoted from scrumble

Terry has written a letter of apology to Anton Ferdinand...

"Good golly Anton, sorry about all this monkey business, its only a little black humour really & its all gone banannas, what do you say we call a spade a spade & end all this whole dark episode between us ? Feel free to swing by for a drink sometime, John.

whos his proof reader sepp

don't see what all the fuss is about.
a nice handshake will sort it out (is this right mr blatter

Quoted from scrumble

Terry has written a letter of apology to Anton Ferdinand...

"Good golly Anton, sorry about all this monkey business, its only a little black humour really & its all gone banannas, what do you say we call a spade a spade & end all this whole dark episode between us ? Feel free to swing by for a drink sometime, John.

No matter how "tongue in cheek" this post is, it just show how far we have got to go to stamp out racism in football. This is absolutely not something to be joked about, and anyone who thinks it's funny has to take a long hard look at themselves. Here's a quote from Sprots Minister Hugh Robertson on the BBC Football website : "Racism is a criminal offence in this country and anybody who's caught indulging in it will face criminal sanctions.

Just be careful what you write, it could get you into serious trouble!!

Quoted from stop_racism

No matter how "tongue in cheek" this post is, it just show how far we have got to go to stamp out racism in football. This is absolutely not something to be joked about, and anyone who thinks it's funny has to take a long hard look at themselves. Here's a quote from Sprots Minister Hugh Robertson on the BBC Football website : "Racism is a criminal offence in this country and anybody who's caught indulging in it will face criminal sanctions.

Just be careful what you write, it could get you into serious trouble!!

i can,t believe you took the trouble to register on here just to post this over-reaction to a joke!
you should of been around in the 70s/80s, don't be so fragile mate,im sure most black fellas don't take such comments to heart,so they don't need fannys like you patronising them just to make you feel better about how your people threw them in chains

Good copy and paste from Sickipedia

Quoted from stop_racism

No matter how "tongue in cheek" this post is, it just show how far we have got to go to stamp out racism in football. This is absolutely not something to be joked about, and anyone who thinks it's funny has to take a long hard look at themselves. Here's a quote from Sprots Minister Hugh Robertson on the BBC Football website : "Racism is a criminal offence in this country and anybody who's caught indulging in it will face criminal sanctions.

Just be careful what you write, it could get you into serious trouble!!

Im sorry but I think you have over reacted slightly. I found the post quite funy and yes I would say very much tongue in cheek, and no im not a racist. I am all for kicking out racism not just in football but all walks of life,  I just think some people take this to the extreame, People will always laugh and joke about others looks, hair, accent, size, skin colour, and always have done as long as its good natured banter and no one is genuinely offended then whats the problem? It will get to the point where If you speak to a black person you will be worried about saying the word black. There was a good right up in the NLP on sunday about a black player whilst playing for his team some years ago  in a bright yellow kit, decided to start the game in his bright yellow boots, at half team with his team loseing he was told by his manager to lose the boots as they made him stand out and look like a big bannana. The player in question had a good laugh in agreement and changed his boots, Years later the player was asked if he was ever offended and he said "absolutley not"or words to that affect, he went on to say he had great respect for the manager and the freindly banter th had never got personnel or offencesive which resulted in a good working relationship.

Well when I read it, I saw it as a urine-take of John Terry. If you see rascism so easily maybe you should look at yourself, he who shouts the loudest etc;

Scrumble.............humour at its lowest I'm afraid!

Funny how there's a huge thread talking about the glory days of football violence but when someone has a a tongue-in-cheek joke about the Terry/Ferdinand saga they get criticised.

Violence is ok but joking is not?

I call my young great nephew a cheeky monkey. If he was not a white caucasion would i be accused of being a racist. If so isnt that being racist against caucasions. I totally hate racism of any description but i think in some cases the term racism is used too easily.

Quoted from stop_racism

This is absolutely not something to be joked about, and anyone who thinks it's funny has to take a long hard look at themselves.

No-one condones racism but who do you think you are Mr Moral highground, lecturing people about right and wrong, telling people what they should be doing, what they should be thinking ?!!!!
Who are you ? God ? Not a GTFC fan in any case is my guess.  

Quoted from stop_racism

Here's a quote from Sprots Minister Hugh Robertson on the BBC Football website : "Racism is a criminal offence in this country and anybody who's caught indulging in it will face criminal sanctions.

Yeah we can all trust the BBC to lead the way in what's "morally right" can't we ?  
Different story when NATO are blowing overseas children with darker shades of skin to bits though is it ?  
Oh but I guess that's "morally acceptable" ?...  
Bet your bottom dollar Iran will be demonized as the evil bad guys soon.  
All for our own "protection" of course, just like Iraq with their non-existant WMD's...  

Quoted from GG

Funny how there's a huge thread talking about the glory days of football violence but when someone has a a tongue-in-cheek joke about the Terry/Ferdinand saga they get criticised.

Violence is ok but joking is not?

If so then it shows they can't be trusted on anything at all IMO.

There are some people out there with zero conscience that want to wrap us up in chains of political correctness and would like nothing better than to ban everything.  

I say be prudent but don't let the ******** grind you down.

You're such a sharp object.

You can merge both threads cos if someone racially abused me I would sort it out with a smack in the mouth not a bloody handshake and I would be more than happy to see anyone else do the same. Racism has no part in society and racists deserve what they get in response.

Quoted from Dan

You're such a sharp object.

Are you allowed to say that ?  
Someone might take offence !

Quoted from 1600

No-one condones racism but who do you think you are Mr Moral highground, lecturing people about right and wrong, telling people what they should be doing, what they should be thinking ?!!!!
Who are you ? God ? Not a GTFC fan in any case is my guess.  


Yeah we can all trust the BBC to lead the way in what's "morally right" can't we ?  
Different story when NATO are blowing overseas children with darker shades of skin to bits though is it ?  
Oh but I guess that's "morally acceptable" ?...  
Bet your bottom dollar Iran will be demonized as the evil bad guys soon.  
All for our own "protection" of course, just like Iraq with their non-existant WMD's...  


If so then it shows they can't be trusted on anything at all IMO.

There are some people out there with zero conscience that want to wrap us up in chains of political correctness and would like nothing better than to ban everything.  

I say be prudent but don't let the ******** grind you down.

Christ on a bike. You are like a flipping volcano!

OTT it may be in the eyes of some but Stop Racism made his point. Are you saying that he shouldn't be allowed? Since when has not being a GTFC fan precluded people from posting on here? The BBC were FACTUALLY reporting what the Minister of Sport said and if you want to go on about Iraq Iran etc. (a view I have a lot of sympathy with) there is a non-footie board.

[IMG]http://seppblatterwithblackpeople.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/blatter_mugabe.jpg?w=460&h=287[/IMG]
MY GOD THEY'RE EVERYWHERE

Quoted from barralad

Christ on a bike. You are like a flipping volcano!

OTT it may be in the eyes of some but Stop Racism made his point. Are you saying that he shouldn't be allowed? Since when has not being a GTFC fan precluded people from posting on here? The BBC were FACTUALLY reporting what the Minister of Sport said and if you want to go on about Iraq Iran etc. (a view I have a lot of sympathy with) there is a non-footie board.

Not at all, I was clearly referring to HIS point that the intial poster shouldn't be making "tongue in cheek" jokes.

Do you believe the intial post was racist ?
I don't ! Just a bit of harmless banter.
If you disagree, then please show me which bit is "racist".

Are you trying to be a kill joy barralad or just argue the toss for the sake of it ?

Quoted from 1600

Not at all, I was clearly referring to HIS point that the intial poster shouldn't be making "tongue in cheek" jokes.

Do you believe the intial post was racist ?
I don't ! Just a bit of harmless banter.
If you disagree, then please show me which bit is "racist".

Are you trying to be a kill joy barralad or just argue the toss for the sake of it ?

Someone has made a point which they believe in. That is what we all do on forums. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make them wrong or you right. Its a sensitive issue at the moment, and people are going to disagree over where the limits are. Harmless fun to you might be quite insulting to someone else.

There clearly isnt enough going on at the club if were debating this.....Any news on the new ground???

Quoted from 1600

Not at all, I was clearly referring to HIS point that the intial poster shouldn't be making "tongue in cheek" jokes.

Do you believe the intial post was racist ?
I don't ! Just a bit of harmless banter.
If you disagree, then please show me which bit is "racist".

Are you trying to be a kill joy barralad or just argue the toss for the sake of it ?

Kill joy?

As for the definition of racist it's a subjective issue. For me it's linked to taste and in my mind there is no doubt that it's in very poor taste and deserves criticism because it is simply not funny. If you want to get your "joy" out of it then good for you. You and I have crossed swords before over racism. Perhaps you would like to tell me when "harmless banter" becomes racist?

Given your track record on here please don't have the temerity to accuse me of arguing for the sake of it.

As it happens my volcano reference was at the way over the top involvement in events in the Middle East/The BBC etc.

You are on one very short fuse.

I don't know where you find the energy Barra. I'd rather be stuck in a lift with The Grimbarian than be dragged into one of 80's specialised bottomless-pits of an argument.

when are they going to show  replays of love thi neighbour ?

Alf Garnett he knew his onions.

I have lived in many places but Grimsby is the second most racist area in which I have lived. Northern Ireland was the worst, lovely place but very racist.

I find the majority of people in this Town, blindly racist. The excuse always being, "I'm not racist, Its just a bit of fun" and "you should have been around in the 70's and 80's".
I'm not saying that these people are bad or nasty, just sometimes a bit thoughtless. IMO

Grimsby is a backward place and the initial post exemplifies this. . . joke or not

Quoted from barralad

As for the definition of racist it's a subjective issue.

I agree it's subjective but some people will try to make an issue out of nothing.

Quoted from barralad

For me it's linked to taste and in my mind there is no doubt that it's in very poor taste and deserves criticism because it is simply not funny.

What did you take from it as very poor taste ?
Maybe you're seeing something I'm not ?

The term "monkey business" might be the only questionable one and maybe I'm wrong but I honestly didn't read it with any racial intent.
Anyway if you can elaborate, I'm willing to see your view.
If you can't, forgive me for presuming it's an innocent, harmless bit of fun and you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Quoted from barralad

If you want to get your "joy" out of it then good for you.

In all honesty the only "joy" I got was from an artisitic viewpoint with reading the delightful "play on words".

In terms of whether it was racist or not, it never even crossed my mind !!!    

But of course if you think the worse, you'll see the worst in everything.

By the way I've had plenty of non-white girlfriends so you're barking up the wrong tree.
I'm strongly opposed to racism but some people (especially the media) look for any old excuse to blow things up out of all proportion on purpose to further their "now we say you can't do that" agendas.  

Quoted from barralad

Perhaps you would like to tell me when "harmless banter" becomes racist?

Good question, you tell me ?
I suppose (at a guess) it's when certain "no go" words come into the equation.

But if you don't want to protect people's right to innocent free speech without having the finger of blame being pointed at them over nothing, there must be something horribly amiss.

Quoted from barralad

As it happens my volcano reference was at the way over the top involvement in events in the Middle East/The BBC etc.

Over the top ?
Inconvenient truth more like...

If you want to be conned and believe it's all being done for your benefit whilst flushing your own rights down the toilet it's your choice, but I'm not having fake morality pushed on me to take my freedoms and the joy out of everything.

Quoted from boroughparker

Scrumble.............humour at its lowest I'm afraid!

I think you'll find it is an attempt at satire. Scrumble is slightly younger than me but I'm sure he'll remember/have heard of such TV comedy 'gems' as Mind Your Language and Love Thy Neighour; thankfully the world has moved on from such 'masterpieces'. If you think Scrumble's comments are racist look up both those shows on YouTube.

Then you'll see how we used to live.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv05zFrM52s[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vez4nInKJD8[/url]

And now we live in a world of positive discrimination (still discrimination) where social inequality has widened to unfathomable levels, and most of cabinet are all privately educated at Oxford.

Interesting that clip from "Mind your language" where the teacher is simply criticizing Ranjeef for his homework.
These days he'd probably be accused of bullying racial minorities and sacked !  

Don't tell me it's meant to be one big level playing field for everyone...

Quoted from 1054

Grimsby is a backward place and the initial post exemplifies this. . . joke or not

I don't, and never have lived in Grimsby.

I would love to congratulate everyone who has decided I am a skinheadeded, knuckle dragging rascist on the basis of one light hearted joke. I should have realised that someone would pull it apart and decide to view it in the most extreme light.

I'll also be embarking on an anti-rascism quest. I will be asking for the film "White men can't jump" to be banned, contacting the BBC to stop airing One Xtra (the music station for black music (can I still use that word, as I am using it to describe a racial group, even though it is the BBC's own description), and I will campaign to to have the MOBO's banned (again, the Music Of Black Origin awards) which is rascist towards white people by way of exclusion, and rascist towards people of afro-caribbean origin for use of the word black.

That last paragraph is of course complete and utter balderdash. I've never before chosen to look for 'rascism' but it's everywhere if I really want to, and if I look at the world in the same hypersensitive way some of you do, then I would take extreme offence in the same way you do. Many black comedians make jokes about the differences between white people and black people, and that's perfectly acceptable, but they're no less rascist than the joke I posted. I should also take offence at Family Guy, and any other american sitcom that takes the rise out of the British for having manky teeth.The difference is when they take the urine out of me I chose to  laugh at it.

As I have already said, when I read the joke I saw it as taking the urine out of John Terry.

Quoted from scrumble

I don't, and never have lived in Grimsby.

I would love to congratulate everyone who has decided I am a skinheadeded, knuckle dragging rascist on the basis of one light hearted joke. I should have realised that someone would pull it apart and decide to view it in the most extreme light.

I'll also be embarking on an anti-rascism quest. I will be asking for the film "White men can't jump" to be banned, contacting the BBC to stop airing One Xtra (the music station for black music (can I still use that word, as I am using it to describe a racial group, even though it is the BBC's own description), and I will campaign to to have the MOBO's banned (again, the Music Of Black Origin awards) which is rascist towards white people by way of exclusion, and rascist towards people of afro-caribbean origin for use of the word black.

That last paragraph is of course complete and utter balderdash. I've never before chosen to look for 'rascism' but it's everywhere if I really want to, and if I look at the world in the same hypersensitive way some of you do, then I would take extreme offence in the same way you do. Many black comedians make jokes about the differences between white people and black people, and that's perfectly acceptable, but they're no less rascist than the joke I posted. I should also take offence at Family Guy, and any other american sitcom that takes the rise out of the British for having manky teeth.The difference is when they take the urine out of me I chose to  laugh at it.

As I have already said, when I read the joke I saw it as taking the urine out of John Terry.

Welcome to modern Britain mate.

Quoted from kingofthekippers

Welcome to modern Britain mate.

You should try being English and living in Wales, bunch of nationalist illegitimates here. Oh wait, I have a sense of humour and a bit of common sense, so I actually see the banter for what it is.

Quoted from bladerunnner

i can,t believe you took the trouble to register on here just to post this over-reaction to a joke!
you should of been around in the 70s/80s, don't be so fragile mate,im sure most black fellas don't take such comments to heart,so they don't need fannys like you patronising them just to make you feel better about how your people threw them in chains

I took the time to register because it's a subject I feel very strongly about. I was around in the 70's and 80's, I was there when the pontoon threw bananas on the pitch at the Man City keeper Alex Williams, so can you tell me that racism has improved since then? 'My pepole' had nothing to do with throwing 'them' in chains, so what are you talking about there? I won't lower myself to trading insults with you and calling you a fanny, so we'll leave it at that.

80's, yes I am from Grimsby (but no longer, thank God) and yes, I am a Grimsby Town fan, and who are you to talk to me about taking the moral high ground and telling people what to think? Talk about pots and kettles!! This is a democracy my friend which gives me the right to freedom of speech.

This is not about political correctness, this is about treating all people equally, not about having fun for you own amusement.

Quoted from kingofthekippers

I think you'll find it is an attempt at satire. Scrumble is slightly younger than me but I'm sure he'll remember/have heard of such TV comedy 'gems' as Mind Your Language and Love Thy Neighour; thankfully the world has moved on from such 'masterpieces'. If you think Scrumble's comments are racist look up both those shows on YouTube.

Then you'll see how we used to live.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv05zFrM52s[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vez4nInKJD8[/url]

Eugh.

I actually cringed watching those clips.

Comedy has to be exceptionally good for it to be timeless, and it's fair to say that those two shows have aged like a bottle of milk on the windowsill. At least we've moved on in some ways culturally.

Racism in football definitely isn't dead, no matter what that deluded old fool Blatter says.

Quoted from BiloLCFC

Eugh.

I actually cringed watching those clips.

Comedy has to be exceptionally good for it to be timeless, and it's fair to say that those two shows have aged like a bottle of milk on the windowsill. At least we've moved on in some ways culturally.

Racism in football definitely isn't dead, no matter what that deluded old fool Blatter says.

The one redeeming feature for Love Thy Neighbour was that the abuse went both ways; doesn't make it right but may make it equal. Mind your Language was a different creature altogther (despite the same writer and producer). The show was made by London Weekend Television (now the home of ITV Studios) and one of the first acts of its new director of programmes Michael Grade in 1980 was to axe this programme despite its huge audience ratings.

Is it just me who is bored to tears with 'racism'? Yawn.....

Quoted from kingofthekippers

The one redeeming feature for Love Thy Neighbour was that the abuse went both ways; doesn't make it right but may make it equal. Mind your Language was a different creature altogther (despite the same writer and producer). The show was made by London Weekend Television (now the home of ITV Studios) and one of the first acts of its new director of programmes Michael Grade in 1980 was to axe this programme despite its huge audience ratings.

Apparently with Love Thy Neighbour Bill (if he was the guy played by Rudolph Walker) always ended up getting the upper hand, but the kind of language was always going to see it killed off. Very much of its time and horribly outdated now, even if it did try to (clumsily) make a point.

As much as I cringe watching it now, I cringed even more watching MYL for the simple reason it seemed to have the sole intention of laughing at 'stupid foreigners' who have little in the way of a response.

I'm glad to hear you're in favour of democracy stop_racism. How about personal liberty ?

I don't mean the liberty to be racist but I don't get what you object to in scrumbles post.
Can you (or anyone !) elaborate on what your problem with it is ?
If you're gonna complain then at least give a reason !

Quoted from scrumble

and if I look at the world in the same hypersensitive way some of you do, then I would take extreme offence in the same way you do.

Exactly, nearly made the same point myself.

Far too many misguided do-gooders get way over-sensitive and proceed to throw everyone into the same wretched boat.  

A thriving democracy used to mean it was highly tolerant one, where people were allowed their views and opinions no matter how controversial or supposedly "offensive" to others they were considered.

These days, people with little understanding of history are following the suger-coated politically correct new world order nazi super-class on their TV's and lecturing others to "watch what they say" over nothing as a result.

stop_racism, you really think the planetary elite give a toss about the rights of you, footballers, coloured skinned people or anyone else except themselves ?!!  
I respect your desire to do good, but please don't be so gullible.  
It's not about racism, it's a wider agenda about trying to deny YOUR right to free speech, by attacking it through a slippery slope of drip drip incrementalism.
Fact is, our liberties and free speech are under threat and regardless of who you are, I'm afraid that includes you my friend.  

Good last post scrumble.

Quoted from Dan

You're such a sharp object.

I would like to take issue on behalf of all bluntists everywhere.....  

pr1cks shud not have it all their own way....  

I may not agree with what Dan has to say, but I will defend his right to say it.  

sharp object.

Black used to be a term that negroes wore with pride. When Tommy Smith
and John Carlos raised their arms on the podium at the 1968 Olympics it
was in a "Black" power salute. Cassis Clay changed his name to Muhammad
Ali and became a "Black" muslim. Pele was the "Black" Pearl. James Brown
wrote a song entitled "I'm Black and I'm Proud." Far from being a dirty
word "Black" had positive connotations, embodying the emancipation of
the negro and replacing perjorative terms like "dark" or colored which
had colonial if not racist overtones. So it's not the term "black" that
causes offence but the tone in which it is said, by whom it is said, and
in what situation. Unfortunately, in the case of John Terry, the
cameras concealed more than they revealed, so we can't know the context
in which the alleged words were uttered, but it is quite possible, as
People have said, that he used the word "black" as an adjective not an insult
or that he was mirroring something Anton Ferdinand had said to him. And
let me ask you this, if Ferdinand had said of himself "I'm a black c**t
so deal with it" would that have been racist? If you're undecided then
you can see why People's semantic argument, with football attempting to
define racism by adopting a zero tolerance policy toward certain words
and phrases, would not work because racism is more complex than simple
vocabulary. So if you can't define what racism is how do you police it
on the field of play? The answer is that you can't! You can only educate
the players and fans to behave in a manner that is respectful to all
races, urge players not to see racism and prejudice at every corner, and
then hope for the best, because ultimately it's a societal problem that
football cannot be expected to solve alone. Certainly, I'm all for
punishing the guilty and appeasing the innocent, I'm just not sure how
football can reliably decide which is which

Funny that rio Ferdy responses on twitter mention the Black man with Blatter - imagine if Blatter had sais i am with this black man! Racism is POV I suppose but jokes will always be made one way or the other you just have to pick your arguments.

BTW here inAustralia - People from Italy Greece Croatia etc are reffered to as Wogs - even a TV show on SBS used to be called Wog Boy! We have Coon cheese (which is cheddar type stuff) and on the Cricket it is ok for sports presenters to call players from Pakistan, Pakistanis

It's a very strange thing racism.

One part of me beleives that people are WAY over the top about it (I'm sick and tired of racism being applied to anything at will in the stupid media), how is it any worse than calling a big bloke a fat b@stard or a bloke who wears glasses 4 eyes (both things that have happened to me). Saying that though I could not ever contemplate calling any black person a n***** for me that's the same as calling my own mother a c***, whereas I find it quite easy to abuse other people in other ways, e.g. you fat b@stard when a big fella cuts me up in the car. May be I've been endoctrinated by the PC brigade whilst at school. It's similar to religion - i don't beleive in God but feel guilty saying that - a direct result of religious education from the 1970s I reckon. Make of that what you will.

Bizarre.

This is just getting ridiculous.  I thought we lived in a society where free thought and speech were two of the principles, clearly not though.  I have my views so let other people have theirs is my attitude, if I don't like someone's jokes/views/opinions I don't read what they've written or listen to what they say, it's as simple as that.  If it turns into something deliberately designed to hurt then it becomes a different matter.

I have more important things in my life to worry about.  That is all.

Quoted from scrumble

You should try being English and living in Wales, bunch of nationalist illegitimates here. Oh wait, I have a sense of humour and a bit of common sense, so I actually see the banter for what it is.

You wait till they burn your house down.....

The only thing I'm surprised about is that you didn't put it on the jokes page on the non-footy.

Quoted from stop_racism

I took the time to register because it's a subject I feel very strongly about. I was around in the 70's and 80's, I was there when the pontoon threw bananas on the pitch at the Man City keeper Alex Williams, so can you tell me that racism has improved since then? 'My pepole' had nothing to do with throwing 'them' in chains, so what are you talking about there? I won't lower myself to trading insults with you and calling you a fanny, so we'll leave it at that.

80's, yes I am from Grimsby (but no longer, thank God) and yes, I am a Grimsby Town fan, and who are you to talk to me about taking the moral high ground and telling people what to think? Talk about pots and kettles!! This is a democracy my friend which gives me the right to freedom of speech.

This is not about political correctness, this is about treating all people equally, not about having fun for you own amusement.

just out of interest, what makes you think "black people" need a liberal handwringing left-wing fretter like you looking after their rights etc...?
do people like you not realise you cause them embarrassment by highlighting a problem that doesn't really exist to any real degree in this country.
have you ever been to america or spain or italy? go over there and preach to them.
this is a predominately white,working class football forum,i would say 80% of posters are center-right in their political opinions?
this doesn't mean they are all in the k.k.k does it?
get over yourself mate,the original point of the post was a lighthearted joke about thicko john terrys daft comments,but as always some "old queen" like you decides its crime of the century'the only racism in this country i see at present is against the white working classes,why don't you champion their cause? oh i forgot,its not en-vogue down the students union  

Quoted from oldludensian

It's a very strange thing racism.

One part of me beleives that people are WAY over the top about it (I'm sick and tired of racism being applied to anything at will in the stupid media), how is it any worse than calling a big bloke a fat b@stard or a bloke who wears glasses 4 eyes (both things that have happened to me). Saying that though I could not ever contemplate calling any black person a n***** for me that's the same as calling my own mother a c***, whereas I find it quite easy to abuse other people in other ways, e.g. you fat b@stard when a big fella cuts me up in the car. May be I've been endoctrinated by the PC brigade whilst at school. It's similar to religion - i don't beleive in God but feel guilty saying that - a direct result of religious education from the 1970s I reckon. Make of that what you will.

Bizarre.

I share your pain Old Ludensian

Quoted from 75

Is it just me who is bored to tears with 'racism'? Yawn.....

i never tire of reading the posts of the leftist cry babys every time the "B"   word is mentioned

Quoted from 1600

I'm glad to hear you're in favour of democracy stop_racism. How about personal liberty ?

I don't mean the liberty to be racist but I don't get what you object to in scrumbles post.
Can you (or anyone !) elaborate on what your problem with it is ?
If you're gonna complain then at least give a reason !


Exactly, nearly made the same point myself.

Far too many misguided do-gooders get way over-sensitive and proceed to throw everyone into the same wretched boat.  

A thriving democracy used to mean it was highly tolerant one, where people were allowed their views and opinions no matter how controversial or supposedly "offensive" to others they were considered.

These days, people with little understanding of history are following the suger-coated politically correct new world order nazi super-class on their TV's and lecturing others to "watch what they say" over nothing as a result.

stop_racism, you really think the planetary elite give a toss about the rights of you, footballers, coloured skinned people or anyone else except themselves ?!!  
I respect your desire to do good, but please don't be so gullible.  
It's not about racism, it's a wider agenda about trying to deny YOUR right to free speech, by attacking it through a slippery slope of drip drip incrementalism.
Fact is, our liberties and free speech are under threat and regardless of who you are, I'm afraid that includes you my friend.  

Good last post scrumble.

Yet more humbug from the king of humbug. Where's your tolerance to stop racist's post. Then you descend into patronising him. It must be fantastic on your soap box where there is clearly only room for you as you are obviously the only person who understands these things...

Whilst we are on the subject I think stop racism and others probably have a better grasp of history than you do. I don't want to bore everyone (anymore than I maybe do) so if you want to continue the debate about Hitler's motives for invading Russia in WW2 we can do it by p.m.

not sure if it has been mentioned anywhere on here, but there are other forms of racism that are deemed "acceptable"

* shouting of you cockney/scouse/yorkie (etc) barsteward
*fu ck off taffy/jock etc
*"if you all hate yorkies clap your hands"
*"stand up if you hate yorkies"

am sure you get my drift!

The "racism card" has gone way over the top in my opinion in recent years.

I've a niece who is a nursery school teacher and they wont even let the kids sing Baa Baa Black Sheep anymore in case it offends anyone. FFS, it's a sheep and it's black, how can anyone be offended by that. Also, a blackboard is now a chalkboard, and most of the time you'll find it's not the black people who say they don't like it but the general do-gooders abouts. We have a lad from Cameroon who plays for the Sunday League team I help run and even he laughs about kids having to sing Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep now. Who's ever seen a rainbow sheep.

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

not sure if it has been mentioned anywhere on here, but there are other forms of racism that are deemed "acceptable"

* shouting of you cockney/scouse/yorkie (etc) barsteward
*fu ck off taffy/jock etc
*"if you all hate yorkies clap your hands"
*"stand up if you hate yorkies"

am sure you get my drift!

Racism is by definition attacking somebody because they belong to a different race. The last time I looked our Yorkshire brothers and sisters were in fact of our race despite the obvious differences in intellect and charm

Quoted from bladerunnner

just out of interest, what makes you think "black people" need a liberal handwringing left-wing fretter like you looking after their rights etc...?
do people like you not realise you cause them embarrassment by highlighting a problem that doesn't really exist to any real degree in this country.
have you ever been to america or spain or italy? go over there and preach to them.
this is a predominately white,working class football forum,i would say 80% of posters are center-right in their political opinions?
this doesn't mean they are all in the k.k.k does it?
get over yourself mate,the original point of the post was a lighthearted joke about thicko john terrys daft comments,but as always some "old queen" like you decides its crime of the century'the only racism in this country i see at present is against the white working classes,why don't you champion their cause? oh i forgot,its not en-vogue down the students union  

Top post and common sense, this country is getting too mamby pamby IMO

Quoted from barralad

Racism is by definition attacking somebody because they belong to a different race. The last time I looked our Yorkshire brothers and sisters were in fact of our race despite the obvious differences in intellect and charm

You find a dead rat and you think it's a treat - in your Yorkshire slums.

Nuff said  

Quoted from Les Brechin

The "racism card" has gone way over the top in my opinion in recent years.

I've a niece who is a nursery school teacher and they wont even let the kids sing Baa Baa Black Sheep anymore in case it offends anyone. FFS, it's a sheep and it's black, how can anyone be offended by that. Also, a blackboard is now a chalkboard, and most of the time you'll find it's not the black people who say they don't like it but the general do-gooders abouts. We have a lad from Cameroon who plays for the Sunday League team I help run and even he laughs about kids having to sing Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep now. Who's ever seen a rainbow sheep.

Wouldn't disagree with any of that Les. In fact I'd go so far as to say it's that sort of nonsense which detracts from the real issues. Such incidents as the one you describe are seized upon by the right wing press and used by people with deeper motives to rubbish what remains a very serious issue.

Quoted from Les Brechin

The "racism card" has gone way over the top in my opinion in recent years.

I've a niece who is a nursery school teacher and they wont even let the kids sing Baa Baa Black Sheep anymore in case it offends anyone. FFS, it's a sheep and it's black, how can anyone be offended by that. Also, a blackboard is now a chalkboard, and most of the time you'll find it's not the black people who say they don't like it but the general do-gooders abouts. We have a lad from Cameroon who plays for the Sunday League team I help run and even he laughs about kids having to sing Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep now. Who's ever seen a rainbow sheep.

les,this post sums up exactly what  my problem is with these idiots that post on here to lecture us on how "racist" we all are for not throwing our arms about in the air and having a fit just because we thought the original post was slightly humorous im convinced these "lefties" make an issue out of racism when really there isn't one. if anything they cause more problems just by keeping the issue simmering,we as a nation on the whole get on with each other in my experience. imagine how awkward jonny ward would feel if every time he went out someone asked him if if he was being bullied/abused etc.

Quoted from bladerunnner

les,this post sums up exactly what  my problem is with these idiots that post on here to lecture us on how "racist" we all are for not throwing our arms about in the air and having a fit just because we thought the original post was slightly humorous im convinced these "lefties" make an issue out of racism when really there isn't one. if anything they cause more problems just by keeping the issue simmering,we as a nation on the whole get on with each other in my experience. imagine how awkward jonny ward would feel if every time he went out someone asked him if if he was being bullied/abused etc.

I rather suspect Mr Ward's reaction might be a little more down to earth and rightly so. You are seriously misguided though if you think that racism isn't an issue in this country. As I said in my reply to Les's excellent post it is in the interests of the British right wing press to keep racism in the limelight-interests which they fulfil with great enthusiasm.

Quoted from barralad

I rather suspect Mr Ward's reaction might be a little more down to earth and rightly so. You are seriously misguided though if you think that racism isn't an issue in this country. As I said in my reply to Les's excellent post it is in the interests of the British right wing press to keep racism in the limelight-interests which they fulfil with great enthusiasm.

sorry mate,i've been all over this country just recently visiting universities and in my experience there is no real problems regarding racism.
this subject has been done to death on here before but i will stand by my opinion that this country is the most tolerant,friendly,multiracial land in the world,sometimes to the extent that its to the detriment of the majority white working class population. if you listen to the left-wing media you would think we are living in 1930s nazi germany! extreme religious beliefs are whats going to divide the people of britain,not skin colour.
when there are enough muslims to change the law and constitution of this country then you will see problems.
but hey this is another cans of worms altogether.(remember the plackards in luton "islam will rule britain") its not an empty threat,its what they are desperate to acheive,and we as a nation of complainers who do nothing about anything will allow it to happen.

I think the reaction has been stronger from those claiming a focus on racism has gone over the top than those claiming the original post is racist hasn't it? I know might inconvenience bladerunner and his imagination of a world of loony liberal social workers hiding on every street corner trying to ban Christmas but it's true. For me the OP isn't racist but it trivialises and makes light of something serious.

As for why is calling somebody a 'black illegitimate' worse than calling someone a 'fat illegitimate'? It all comes down to history and context doesn't it? Abusing somebody over their weight might not be pleasant but fat people have never been oppressed, enslaved, widely discriminated against etc because of their weight. At least to my knowledge.

I think this country has made massive strides forward in dealing with racism, in football and in wider society and long may it continue. If it annoys bladerunner along the way then that's just a bonus.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

I think the reaction has been stronger from those claiming a focus on racism has gone over the top than those claiming the original post is racist hasn't it? I know might inconvenience bladerunner and his imagination of a world of loony liberal social workers hiding on every street corner trying to ban Christmas but it's true. For me the OP isn't racist but it trivialises and makes light of something serious.

As for why is calling somebody a 'black illegitimate' worse than calling someone a 'fat illegitimate'? It all comes down to history and context doesn't it? Abusing somebody over their weight might not be pleasant but fat people have never been oppressed, enslaved, widely discriminated against etc because of their weight. At least to my knowledge.

I think this country has made massive strides forward in dealing with racism, in football and in wider society and long may it continue. If it annoys bladerunner along the way then that's just a bonus.

A very good point. I used to run the line on a Sunday morning until recently as I'm not able to anymore due to health reasons and I was quite often called "a fat illegitimate" by members of opposing teams (often prefixed by the word "cheating") which although not nice I can accept that as part of the passion that is generated during a football match and I can always go on a diet whenever. However if somebody was to call George a "black illegitimate" then there would quite rightly be uproar.

He says in all the time he has played for us (about 6 years now) he has only been racially abused once, which ended up in him being sent off after he chinned the offender. He was banned for 6 months initially but we appealed to The Lincs FA explaining the circumstances and got the ban reduced to 2 months.

Quoted from barralad

Racism is by definition attacking somebody because they belong to a different race. The last time I looked our Yorkshire brothers and sisters were in fact of our race despite the obvious differences in intellect and charm

well, are americans/ozzies/kiwi's the same race as us because of the colour of their skin alone?
and what your sayinhg then, is that IF JT has called AF a ***** ****, its alright, cos he's from the same country so it cant be racist!!!

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

I think the reaction has been stronger from those claiming a focus on racism has gone over the top than those claiming the original post is racist hasn't it? I know might inconvenience bladerunner and his imagination of a world of loony liberal social workers hiding on every street corner trying to ban Christmas but it's true. For me the OP isn't racist but it trivialises and makes light of something serious.

As for why is calling somebody a 'black illegitimate' worse than calling someone a 'fat illegitimate'? It all comes down to history and context doesn't it? Abusing somebody over their weight might not be pleasant but fat people have never been oppressed, enslaved, widely discriminated against etc because of their weight. At least to my knowledge.

I think this country has made massive strides forward in dealing with racism, in football and in wider society and long may it continue. If it annoys bladerunner along the way then that's just a bonus.

its nice to have "fans" of my rantings on here rodley. when has anyone in this country been "enslaved" or "oppressed" recentley? this is my point

Both myl and ltn and the Joke at the beginning had one thing in common  FUNNY and a urine take not some rightwing propaganda. As for the Slavery card  who sold the slaves to the white man and what about the white slavers from Turkey and North Africa dont see many appologists for them sorry but in my house i have a Blackboard, Blackbags for the bin, go to the Chinky takeaway does not mean i have a burning cross in the front yard or a Swastika flying from the chimney.

At England training John Terry dribbled the ball past Cole then past Zamora then past Bent then round Cole again
Pearce  screamed wtf you doing Terry  i said dribble round the cones

the inability of people to recognise another persons point of view is quite astounding. Whether the joke is funny, racist, or simply bad tast is a matter of opinion. If it has casued offence to someone does not mean they are wrong, and that they should be ridiculed for their views. They have only done the same as those that are ridiculing them....put their opinion into the conversation.

Racism is subjective, meaning that whether you define it as racist or not, someone else might. You would think people would be adult enough to recognise this and be able to get on with it. Freedom of speach (as atleast one person has mentioned) works both ways, and one person does not have to justify their position just because another disagrees with it.

Its amazing how naive people are to the issues that are being discussed and the fact that there is a different point of view, and that this is all that they are presenting, their point of view.

Don't forget that this is the John Terry who said in 2007 that he

"liked to spend his spare time fishing. "I had to learn from my experiences, and I like to think I've grown into a good bloke," he said.
He added: "I had to sort myself out really. I wasn't as bad as some people tried to make out."

This was after his night club escapades and cheating on his woman at least 8 times he admitted, and before he was accused of under the counter dealings and got caught out over another player's wife.

And don't forget he was born in Barking.

What he says/does is not about racism, it's about being a prat called John Terry. He's a natural. He deserves the urine takes.

"There's only one race..The Human Race"  Sepp Blatter said on the news today.

You've got to love him.

Quoted from barralad

Yet more humbug from the king of humbug.

Says the person who criticizes the initial post but can't give ONE reason why.
I suspect you resort to namecalling when you can't properly debate the issues.

Quoted from barralad

Where's your tolerance to stop racist's post.

What are you on about, the intial poster ?  
How low is that when you won't even come off the fence and give a reason why ?

Quoted from barralad

Whilst we are on the subject I think stop racism and others probably have a better grasp of history than you do. I don't want to bore everyone (anymore than I maybe do) so if you want to continue the debate about Hitler's motives for invading Russia in WW2 we can do it by p.m.

Where have I mentioned Russia in this debate ?
Anyway no thanks, debating with you on here is painful enough.

Quoted from barralad

In fact I'd go so far as to say it's that sort of nonsense which detracts from the real issues. Such incidents as the one you describe are seized upon by the right wing press and used by people with deeper motives to rubbish what remains a very serious issue.

So you agree with Les but then very quickly dismiss it as a non-issue in the same breath.
How convenient !  

Please explain to me this then barralad...

What's the difference between an innocent enough looking post on the fishy (which you still haven't given ONE reason why you so strongly object to) and a "nonsense" issue like trampling over free speech forcing kids into singing baa-baa-rainbow sheep ?

Seems you're effectively saying the right to free speech is no big deal ?!!  
Are you the one full of nonsense with "deeper motives" ?

As for the "very serious" issues, I presume you're quite happy to offer your support to an invasion of Iran ?
Maybe you're the one in agreement with the "right wing press" ?
Some would say that's a lot worse for than the mountain out of a molehill you're seemingly making over the initial thread.

To be kind, I think you're rather misguided.

Bigots on here sum up my original post.  britain has moved on gy hasn't

Quoted from 1054

Bigots on here sum up my original post.  britain has moved on gy hasn't

What do you specifically object to in the original post ?

Quoted from 1600

Says the person who criticizes the initial post but can't give ONE reason why.
I suspect you resort to namecalling when you can't properly debate the issues.


What are you on about, the intial poster ?  
How low is that when you won't even come off the fence and give a reason why ?


Where have I mentioned Russia in this debate ?
Anyway no thanks, debating with you on here is painful enough.


So you agree with Les but then very quickly dismiss it as a non-issue in the same breath.
How convenient !  

Please explain to me this then barralad...

What's the difference between an innocent enough looking post on the fishy (which you still haven't given ONE reason why you so strongly object to) and a "nonsense" issue like trampling over free speech forcing kids into singing baa-baa-rainbow sheep ?

Seems you're effectively saying the right to free speech is no big deal ?!!  
Are you the one full of nonsense with "deeper motives" ?

As for the "very serious" issues, I presume you're quite happy to offer your support to an invasion of Iran ?
Maybe you're the one in agreement with the "right wing press" ?
Some would say that's a lot worse for than the mountain out of a molehill you're seemingly making over the initial thread.

To be kind, I think you're rather misguided.

Your a bit of a pain aren't you. Why does someone need to justify their opinion? you do not appear to need to justify your own. Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them wrong. You have to accept that people have different views on what is racist, and if you offend someone, no matter what you think, they have considered you to have made a racist remark. Its SUBJECTIVE. You dont need to justify your position on why something is not racist, other people do not need to justify why they think it is.

luckily not everyone is the same, but you have to accept that somethhing that does not offend you might offend someone else.

Quoted from 1600

Says the person who criticizes the initial post but can't give ONE reason why.
I suspect you resort to namecalling when you can't properly debate the issues.


What are you on about, the intial poster ?  
How low is that when you won't even come off the fence and give a reason why ?


Where have I mentioned Russia in this debate ?
Anyway no thanks, debating with you on here is painful enough.


So you agree with Les but then very quickly dismiss it as a non-issue in the same breath.
How convenient !  

Please explain to me this then barralad...

What's the difference between an innocent enough looking post on the fishy (which you still haven't given ONE reason why you so strongly object to) and a "nonsense" issue like trampling over free speech forcing kids into singing baa-baa-rainbow sheep ?

Seems you're effectively saying the right to free speech is no big deal ?!!  
Are you the one full of nonsense with "deeper motives" ?

As for the "very serious" issues, I presume you're quite happy to offer your support to an invasion of Iran ?
Maybe you're the one in agreement with the "right wing press" ?
Some would say that's a lot worse for than the mountain out of a molehill you're seemingly making over the initial thread.

To be kind, I think you're rather misguided.

1. I didn't say it was racist I said it's in poor taste and in my opinion unfunny. The "humour" of it just doesn't rock my boat as it were.

2. You preach free speech and then slag off something you don't agree with.

3. Your continued use of the if you can't think of a reason blah blah is getting boring...

4. I didn't say you'd mentioned Russia in this debate. Thanks for saving me the time in having to put you right....

5. At the risk of repeating myself I've stated why I object to it.

6. If you cannot see that the issue isn't one of trampling over free speech it's about over zealous people not knowing where the boundaries of sense lie then you are more blinkered than even I thought possible. Your moral crusade over this is absolutely ridiculous.

7. If you take a minute or two off your soap box you'll see on re-referring to the post that I have no real issues with your stance on Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. etc. What I have an issue with is your inclusion of it on a thread on the football forum when you could give full vent to your feelings on the non-footie forum and people could agree with you or not as the case may be.

8. Where have I said that the right to freedom of speech is no big deal.

Quoted from 1054

Bigots on here sum up my original post.  britain has moved on gy hasn't

Up pops the predictable meercat with his searchlight on full beam ...... off to the Gulag's for anyone who dare have an opinion that remotely differs to roundmybumhole  

Whilst I agree that it is possible to be hyper-sensitive in reaction to what is deemed to be racist these days,  a 'joke' that uses the lynching/murder of innocent people as a basis of its humour is, in my mind, tasteless at best.

The fact some on here can't distinguish between calling someone a fat b@st@rd and racism is depressing.

Just waiting for the post that cries that its the white working class male that has become the ethnic minority in this country.

barralad...

1. Fair enough.
2. That's what free speech is all about !
3. I find it extraordinary people can object to something yet offer no concrete reason why.
4. So why drag it into this one ?
5. I was hoping you might elaborate on what you find distasteful but up to you.
6. I can't see it personally, think you're making a big deal over nothing. Maybe other people do get "humour" out of it from a racial point of view, but who is to judge and say they do ? You obviously think it's ok to judge the morality of others because of YOUR own view.
7. Unfortunately the race issues throws up other moral questions about how we treat people of other races. You're happy enough to bring "right wing papers" etc into it, so I'm not feeling guilty about it.
8. You said the issue was "nonsense" so I presumed you thought it's no big deal. I posed you another question and you chose not to answer.

Quoted from Keelbysaint

Your a bit of a pain aren't you.

Don't you like the tough questions ?

Quoted from Keelbysaint

Why does someone need to justify their opinion?

They don't but it normally helps in a "debate"  

Quoted from Keelbysaint

you do not appear to need to justify your own.

I'm happy to justify anything you want me to.
What are you referring to ?
Or would you prefer not to say ?  

Quoted from Keelbysaint

Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them wrong. You have to accept that people have different views on what is racist, and if you offend someone, no matter what you think, they have considered you to have made a racist remark. Its SUBJECTIVE. You dont need to justify your position on why something is not racist, other people do not need to justify why they think it is.

A load of rubbish IMO.

So using YOUR logic of "I can label anything I want as whatever I want without offering any reason" I could label you or your post whatever I like too.
Can someone label someone racist if somone says hello to them ?

Using YOUR logic, if people have different views then why should people object to others(who they consider are "wrong") in the first place if they can't accept the person they're accusing may disagree and it "does not make them wrong".

Your arguments are contradictory and completely and utterly ridiculous (IMHO).

Quoted from Keelbysaint

luckily not everyone is the same, but you have to accept that somethhing that does not offend you might offend someone else.

So they're offended but over what, they can't say.
No wonder the country is in such a state !  

Imagine the courtroom setting, "the defendant is charged with causing offence but over what, we're not willing to say".
Not that causing offence should be a crime anyway, it's completely ridiculous...

Quoted from cardiffmariner

Whilst I agree that it is possible to be hyper-sensitive in reaction to what is deemed to be racist these days,  a 'joke' that uses the lynching/murder of innocent people as a basis of its humour is, in my mind, tasteless at best.

The fact some on here can't distinguish between calling someone a fat b@st@rd and racism is depressing.

Just waiting for the post that cries that its the white working class male that has become the ethnic minority in this country.

The group and clan instinct is, some would say, a natural part of being human. It's simply about differences and it doesn't matter whether the difference is racial, colour, nationality, hair colour, big ears, weight or the lack of it, size etc ......... and it doesn't matter either whether the difference is natural or artificial. In that respect there is no difference between a Goth girl having her face stamped on this week and the Stephen Lawrence murder. If your name is Terry from Barking then including that difference in any argument, just as the Italians did to the Irish in New York or the Germans to the Jews and gypsies or everybody to the mentally deficient, seems pretty normal.

So really it doesn't matter whether people can distinguish between racism and calling a fat b@st@rd - the motive and the end result is exactly the same.

To a point, I agree with you Ron, and it's all a sad indictment on how far we havent managed to come as a race.

However, to simplify it to the degree of motive and end result chooses to ignore much of what feeds, and has fed, into racism.  

The op is not racist well not to me anyway its just a joke doing the rounds a harmless one at that, come on us 'normal people' need a sense of humour while we are being bleed dry by our government and the media. We are getting poorer while these are getting richer being fed pages full of crap in the papers and on the news on a daily basis to try and scare us even brain wash, creating a false economy, taking part in unwinnable wars for reasons I will not state. Innocent people being killed and tortured.

We live in a wicked world where money greed and criminals rule it..

Btw I ain't racist my mums in a wheelchair ffs  

Ok 80's just to satisfy your need for the justification of my post, I disagree the the language used to refer to Anton Ferdinand.

It seems that opinion on racism is split either one way or the other with no in between, interesting to say the least. I am not on any sort of crusade here, just stating my opinion as many of you on this board do week in week out. I have not resorted to name calling or ridicule as some of you have in my direction. I respect your opinions to my post, just doesn't mean I agree with you or ever will.

A question for you now 80's. How is the original post 'harmless banter'? Harmless to who, to you? Is it harmless to other ethnic groups? Do you have any evidence, have you asked anyone? I have, and it's not a positive response that I got.

Aryan. . . you are called 'aryan' ffs. . . the only people to ever use that word were nazis and white supremacists from the southern usa. . . and you call me predictable you stupid little bigot. . . now, crawl back to your swamp!

Quoted from stop_racism

Ok 80's just to satisfy your need for the justification of my post, I disagree the the language used to refer to Anton Ferdinand.

It seems that opinion on racism is split either one way or the other with no in between, interesting to say the least. I am not on any sort of crusade here, just stating my opinion as many of you on this board do week in week out. I have not resorted to name calling or ridicule as some of you have in my direction. I respect your opinions to my post, just doesn't mean I agree with you or ever will.

A question for you now 80's. How is the original post 'harmless banter'? Harmless to who, to you? Is it harmless to other ethnic groups? Do you have any evidence, have you asked anyone? I have, and it's not a positive response that I got.

No offence meant Mr racism! but I think people like yourself take this country backwards, with your namby pamby lefty lily livered librel views. Banter and jokes amongs us humans of different races are as much a part of life as eating and drinking, You will find this anywhere from the school playground to old folks home. And yes some people will always take offence so what! this Is the world we live in.

Look we have come a long way since the 70s and things have moved on for the better (although I do admit I do enjoy the old political
incorrect sitcoms of that era) people of all races in our multicultural country are now equal and have been for a long time, It could be said the white populaion is now the race of today in this countr,y that is dicriminated through positive dicrimination, But thats another argument.

If an alien popped down to the UK for the day he would see equality amongst us, But if you had your way in a few years with your bleats, and over the top media outrage from the loony left, and not being challanged, you would cause race cards to tenfold, mr alien would witness a non black population walking on eggshells around any non white, being alone in a room with a vunerable black woman would put men at risk, The old rape cry would now become the new black cry.

Il just say as a kid growing up in the mid 80s at my school we had just the one black kid, who at the time was a good freind of mine and was very popular amongst his peers. Yes he got some racial abuse no question usually from the older kids, and thinking back this must of been really excrement for him at the time, But amongst us his mates he got the black jokes and black nicknames and would  certainly stand up and say if one of us overstepped the mark, but he knew this was banter and this was the difference. Now the kid who suffered the most, the most cruel and vile abuse was the poor ginger kid he proberley went on to commit harry karry but no ones bothered about them are the mr racist? is it cos he's white?

Quoted from stop_racism

Ok 80's just to satisfy your need for the justification of my post, I disagree the the language used to refer to Anton Ferdinand.

So you thought you'd blame the initial poster for what John Terry had allegedly done ?
As I said, it's very easy to put everyone into the same boat.  
I suspect what you've done is let your emotions blind your objectivity.

My advice would be to re-consider your priorities and find something more important in the world to get wound up by about than ongoing TV soap operas concerning the antics of celebrity footballers.  

How many people that suffer abuse all over the world never even get a mention on the news ?
Are you getting wound up about them ?
Out of sight out of mind...  
There's a lesson to be learnt somewhere - I'll leave you to ponder over it.

Quoted from stop_racism

A question for you now 80's. How is the original post 'harmless banter'? Harmless to who, to you? Is it harmless to other ethnic groups? Do you have any evidence, have you asked anyone? I have, and it's not a positive response that I got.

Seems harmless enough to me.

When you or others you've spoken to (whoever they are) can come up with a reason you think it's not, I'll listen to your objections.

Quoted from 2578

No offence meant Mr racism! but I think people like yourself take this country backwards, with your namby pamby lefty lily livered librel views. Banter and jokes amongs us humans of different races are as much a part of life as eating and drinking, You will find this anywhere from the school playground to old folks home. And yes some people will always take offence so what! this Is the world we live in.

Look we have come a long way since the 70s and things have moved on for the better (although I do admit I do enjoy the old political
incorrect sitcoms of that era) people of all races in our multicultural country are now equal and have been for a long time, It could be said the white populaion is now the race of today in this countr,y that is dicriminated through positive dicrimination, But thats another argument.

If an alien popped down to the UK for the day he would see equality amongst us, But if you had your way in a few years with your bleats, and over the top media outrage from the loony left, and not being challanged, you would cause race cards to tenfold, mr alien would witness a non black population walking on eggshells around any non white, being alone in a room with a vunerable black woman would put men at risk, The old rape cry would now become the new black cry.

Il just say as a kid growing up in the mid 80s at my school we had just the one black kid, who at the time was a good freind of mine and was very popular amongst his peers. Yes he got some racial abuse no question usually from the older kids, and thinking back this must of been really excrement for him at the time, But amongst us his mates he got the black jokes and black nicknames and would  certainly stand up and say if one of us overstepped the mark, but he knew this was banter and this was the difference. Now the kid who suffered the most, the most cruel and vile abuse was the poor ginger kid he proberley went on to commit harry karry but no ones bothered about them are the mr racist? is it cos he's white?

√ Lefty

√ Taking the country backwards

√ Got a black mate

√ Loony Left

√ Whites are being discriminated against

√ We are all equal today

X Gives you cancer

X Princess Diana



flipping hell mate, you've outdone yourself there.

Quoted from 1600

So you thought you'd blame the initial poster for what John Terry had allegedly done ?
As I said, it's very easy to put everyone into the same boat.  
I suspect what you've done is let your emotions blind your objectivity.

My advice would be to re-consider your priorities and find something more important in the world to get wound up by about than ongoing TV soap operas concerning the antics of celebrity footballers.  

How many people that suffer abuse all over the world never even get a mention on the news ?
Are you getting wound up about them ?
Out of sight out of mind...  
There's a lesson to be learnt somewhere - I'll leave you to ponder over it.


Seems harmless enough to me.

When you or others you've spoken to (whoever they are) can come up with a reason you think it's not, I'll listen to your objections.

80's, I have given a reason, if you choose not to see it then that's your prerogative. I bow down to your superior knowledge and understanding of this issue. I hope you will continue to find humour in the derogatory terms used to describe other human beings. Good on you mate!

Quoted from 1054

Aryan. . . you are called 'aryan' ffs. . . the only people to ever use that word were nazis and white supremacists from the southern usa. . . and you call me predictable you stupid little bigot. . . now, crawl back to your swamp!

..... every single time!

Quoted from stop_racism

Ok 80's just to satisfy your need for the justification of my post, I disagree the the language used to refer to Anton Ferdinand.

It seems that opinion on racism is split either one way or the other with no in between, interesting to say the least. I am not on any sort of crusade here, just stating my opinion as many of you on this board do week in week out. I have not resorted to name calling or ridicule as some of you have in my direction. I respect your opinions to my post, just doesn't mean I agree with you or ever will.

A question for you now 80's. How is the original post 'harmless banter'? Harmless to who, to you? Is it harmless to other ethnic groups? Do you have any evidence, have you asked anyone? I have, and it's not a positive response that I got.

I think you'll find that 80's understands this perfectly well despite his bleatings to the contrary.

Quoted from ska face

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√ Lefty

√ Taking the country backwards

√ Got a black mate

√ Loony Left

√ Whites are being discriminated against

√ We are all equal today

X Gives you cancer

X Princess Diana

My personal post of the week

Quoted from RoboCod

My personal post of the week

That officially a vote RC?

Just back from holiday or would have undoubtedly joined in the debate much earlier. I find it depressing that people can't accept that some individuals actually believe that people should be allowed to live their lives without fear from their skin colour. To mock and belittle racism wherever it occurs actually involves those people perpetuating racism. Isn't it time we all grew up a little bit and actually accepted that we most definitely live in a multi cultural society that is mutually beneficial for all?

Quoted from jock dock tower

Just back from holiday or would have undoubtedly joined in the debate much earlier. I find it depressing that people can't accept that some individuals actually believe that people should be allowed to live their lives without fear from their skin colour. To mock and belittle racism wherever it occurs actually involves those people perpetuating racism. Isn't it time we all grew up a little bit and actually accepted that we most definitely live in a multi cultural society that is mutually beneficial for all?

Where'd you go on your hols Jock?

Quoted from ska face

Daily Mail Checklist

√ Lefty

√ Taking the country backwards

√ Got a black mate

√ Loony Left

√ Whites are being discriminated against

√ We are all equal today

X Gives you cancer

X Princess Diana



flipping hell mate, you've outdone yourself there.

Ha ha not read a tabloid in years mate, NLP only paper for me these days. good reply tho.

Quoted from upthestripes

That officially a vote RC?

That officially a vote RC?[/quote]

Erm, yes. Is it post of the week, or month ? Should make it official I guess:

POTM (or month)