The Icey Post

Quoted from BiloLCFC

Some have been quick to blame to the current government, but the erosion of ethics, values and morals has been as slow and certain as coastal erosion and we now stand on a precipice. Going in hard on the rioters will offer an immediate solution but most probably exacerbate the problems in the long term if we as a society don't address the problems that caused the riots. It wasn't just the shooting of Mark Duggan that started this ball rolling after all. We can start by beginning to offer answers to the following question.

'How did this become cool, normal, justified in the minds of young people?'

Firstly, it is an uncomfortable reality for society that a significant number of the rioters are from ethnic minorities. This discomfort though is not exclusive to those communities, but to society at large. These people are marginalised in society, beginning from an early age. It's a documented fact that black male pupils begin to fall behind their white classmates around the time of starting secondary school, and this is one of the ingredients in a truly poisonous cocktail that we absolutely must address. Why do so many black teenagers fall off the rails? Whatever the answer, it leads to black boys leaving school less qualified than their white classmates; which in turn leads to higher levels of unemployment which leads to higher levels of crime and a higher chance of winding up in prison, as I'm sure you will be aware.

Preventative measures then must begin early. We must address the question of why so many black teenagers tend to end their school days badly, what is it about our culture that devalues education so much? Firstly, the media has much to answer for. We are living in the first generation where you can become famous not for any real talent or excellence, but simply for its own sake. When as a teenager living in a sink estate or decrepit flat you can switch on your TV on any given day and see the 'stars' of shows such as The Only Way is Essex become famous despite having little discernible talent, would you not see your enthusiasm to work hard on your homework decline a tad when you're led to believe that you're but one audition away and acting like a complete tool from fame, wealth and adulation? I'm reminded of an essay by Alan Sillitoe where he states that poor people learn to live in the here and now, they want immediate relief from their situation. Three years is a long way away when you live from day to day hovering above the breadline, and this may well account for the declining enjoyment and prioritisation of education for some. They may not listen to their parents because they think, 'where did working hard at school get you mum?'

When we extend this to black people, we may also wonder where they get their inspiration from. There is no British Obama, there is a dearth of articulate, intelligent black Britons in public life. When we think of successful black Britons, we think of sports personalities, dancers and musicians. David Lammy and Diane Abbott are but a very small number of British black people in any position of power. Furthermore on the issue of education, I believe the portrayal of black Britons is very flawed. Most kids get two main representations of black people in British history; slavery and post World War Two migration. They aren't taught about the contribution black Britons have made to our society over history, they aren't taught that the black presence in Britain goes right back to the times when Roman garrisons had North African divisions on British soil. Even in a footballing sense, if you were to ask most children when the first British black footballer plied his trade they would probably answer the 1970s. They wouldn't have a clue that a Walter Tull played for Tottenham in the 1900s and became the first black officer in the British army before his death at the Somme, or that Scotland had a black goalkeeper in the Edwardian era. Black people in the British school system are on the margins, either passive victims in slavery or violent rioters in the latter half of the 20th century. The number of black secondary teachers is low, the number of black university lecturers lower still. Is it any wonder that black people feel marginalised by the school system?

So for black kids who feel marginalised by the school system and ruin their education, can't get a job because they're unqualified and have no real outstanding skill, where do they turn for role models? Traditionally, it would have been the family. Increasingly, it's becoming 'gangsta' culture. Make no mistake, when we see a white person who thinks they're black, it's almost always a cringeworthy gangsta impersonation complete with 'bwoys' and 'blud,' a thoroughly negative interpretation of black people. They see people not unlike them making their parent's monthly salary in a week for very little effort and earning 'respect,' which is actually fear, from the whole community and they run with that lifestyle. This in turn leads to conflict with the authorities which feeds the notion of racism in the black person's mind which leads to the kind of anger we've seen poured out on the streets of London.

The cure for all this? I hate to quote Tony Blair, but it really is 'education, education, education.'

Shamelessly lifted from a post I made on the Leicester City forum.

Furthermore on Leicester, the rioting last night was much lower key than most other places in the country. It was pretty much confined to Granby Street; specifically Nando's which was raided for its cutlery (don't ask), Poundstretchers and Jacob's photo shop. Some of the shops in the Highcross had their windows smashed and there were fourteen arrests. There's a clean-up taking place this morning however and one or two of the rioters did get a good kicking from locals.

Quoted from supertown

if ive read that post right he has 'shamelessly lifted it from a post I made on the Leicester City forum'  does that mean he isnt the author of this actual piece and he took it from a post he had been part of, or am I reading too much into it?

Quoted from barralad

See where you are coming from but I took it that he'd written the whole thing but was saying that it wasn't unique to The Fishy...(half the work-twice the coverage...)

Quoted from barralad

See where you are coming from but I took it that he'd written the whole thing but was saying that it wasn't unique to The Fishy...(half the work-twice the coverage...)

Quoted from Dan

Can the next little feature be a way to nominate a post when we're reading it, bit like the reputation system?

Quoted from Dan

Can the next little feature be a way to nominate a post when we're reading it, bit like the reputation system?

Quoted from Dan

Haha, well I don't mean to break your ignorance, but it's a relatively simple process. You basically just check if a user has already made a nomination, and if they have, when they nominate a new post, you overwrite the previous nomination.

Essentially, each user has an ID (mine is 708 ) and each post  has an ID (this one is number 14 in thread 1312977102) so you  just create a database of nominated posts like this:

============NOMINATIONS DB============
----------------------------------------------------------------
ID - THREAD       - POST - OWNERID - NOMINATOR - WEEK
1    1312977102    14     - 708          - 708                 30

Then you put in a function under the avatar saying "nominate"

I know the forum isn't PHP, but if it was logical code when "nominate" is clicked would be something like this (if i was nominating my own post)

$week = date("W"); // get the current week of the year it is, so we can then extract all the posts for this week from the database
$query = "SELECT 'nominator' from NOMINATIONS where nominator = '708' LIMIT 1;"; // check if the user has already entered a post of the week nomination
$result = mysql_query($query);
$exists = mysql_num_rows($result); // if they have $exists will equal 1
if ($exists == 0) // if exists = 0, it means no nomination has been made so we can add it straight into the database
{
$query = "INSERT INTO 'nominations' (id,thread,post,ownerid,nominator,week) VALUES ('','1312977102','14','708','708',$week);";
mysql_query($query); // add the post of the week nomination to the database
}
else // otherwise it will mean that a nomination has been made already. So if a user clicks nominate again, amend their original nomination with the new one
{
$query = "UPDATE 'nominations' thread='132977102',post='14',ownerid='708',nominator='708',week=$week LIMIT 1;";
}

Quoted from Dan

Haha, well I don't mean to break your ignorance, but it's a relatively simple process. You basically just check if a user has already made a nomination, and if they have, when they nominate a new post, you overwrite the previous nomination.

Essentially, each user has an ID (mine is 708 ) and each post  has an ID (this one is number 14 in thread 1312977102) so you  just create a database of nominated posts like this:

============NOMINATIONS DB============
----------------------------------------------------------------
ID - THREAD       - POST - OWNERID - NOMINATOR - WEEK
1    1312977102    14     - 708          - 708                 30

Then you put in a function under the avatar saying "nominate"

I know the forum isn't PHP, but if it was logical code when "nominate" is clicked would be something like this (if i was nominating my own post)

$week = date("W"); // get the current week of the year it is, so we can then extract all the posts for this week from the database
$query = "SELECT 'nominator' from NOMINATIONS where nominator = '708' LIMIT 1;"; // check if the user has already entered a post of the week nomination
$result = mysql_query($query);
$exists = mysql_num_rows($result); // if they have $exists will equal 1
if ($exists == 0) // if exists = 0, it means no nomination has been made so we can add it straight into the database
{
$query = "INSERT INTO 'nominations' (id,thread,post,ownerid,nominator,week) VALUES ('','1312977102','14','708','708',$week);";
}
else // otherwise it will mean that a nomination has been made already. So if a user clicks nominate again, amend their original nomination with the new one
{
$query = "UPDATE 'nominations' thread='132977102',post='14',ownerid='708',nominator='708',week=$week LIMIT 1;";
}
mysql_query($query); // add  / updatethe post of the week nomination to the database

Quoted from Perkins

Education may work in a few case, but in general it won't. Unfortunately we now live in a society that has been turned on it's head by the so called liberal minded and do gooders who see no bad in anyone. Sorry but some people are bad, and no amount of namby-pambying will change them. I remember growing up in the fifties and sixties when corporal punishment (and capital punishment) was still legal, if the local copper clouted you round the ear'ole for some misdemeaner and you went home and told your dad, he'd give you another.It didn't seem like it at the time but it tought us kids growing up a bit of respect for other people and their property.
In the sixties i worked with a bloke who still bore the scars on his back of a birching he'd received on the Isle of Man for nicking a wallet, he was 19 at the time and was ordered to have 4 strokes of the birch. He only remembers the first 3 cos the pain was that bad he passed out. Never stole again, Tought him a lesson he never forgot. Before anyone quotes this and has a go saying we don't do this sort of thing in this day and age, don't bother cos i dont care, and i won't respond, because this or something damn near like it needs to be done and bloody quick. I'm in my sixties now and probably not long to go, but i'm not bothered because i  hate to think what state of disorder this country will be in in the next 20-30 years and i don't think i want to be around.

Quoted from Citymariner

Biccys usually reply to gobbledy-Asian is "I like cowbell" - I'm with him on this one!

Quoted from Dan

Haha, well I don't mean to break your ignorance, but it's a relatively simple process. You basically just check if a user has already made a nomination, and if they have, when they nominate a new post, you overwrite the previous nomination.

Essentially, each user has an ID (mine is 708 ) and each post  has an ID (this one is number 14 in thread 1312977102) so you  just create a database of nominated posts like this:

============NOMINATIONS DB============
----------------------------------------------------------------
ID - THREAD       - POST - OWNERID - NOMINATOR - WEEK
1    1312977102    14     - 708          - 708                 30

Then you put in a function under the avatar saying "nominate"

I know the forum isn't PHP, but if it was logical code when "nominate" is clicked would be something like this (if i was nominating my own post)

$week = date("W"); // get the current week of the year it is, so we can then extract all the posts for this week from the database
$query = "SELECT 'nominator' from NOMINATIONS where nominator = '708' LIMIT 1;"; // check if the user has already entered a post of the week nomination
$result = mysql_query($query);
$exists = mysql_num_rows($result); // if they have $exists will equal 1
if ($exists == 0) // if exists = 0, it means no nomination has been made so we can add it straight into the database
{
$query = "INSERT INTO 'nominations' (id,thread,post,ownerid,nominator,week) VALUES ('','1312977102','14','708','708',$week);";
}
else // otherwise it will mean that a nomination has been made already. So if a user clicks nominate again, amend their original nomination with the new one
{
$query = "UPDATE 'nominations' thread='132977102',post='14',ownerid='708',nominator='708',week=$week LIMIT 1;";
}
mysql_query($query); // add  / updatethe post of the week nomination to the database

Quoted from siy2k5

Huh huh ha huh huh he said sexist huh huh ha huh huh

Quoted from Biccys

Which part of "I'm happy in my ignorance" and "Rob's your man" confused you into thinking I'd give a rats bottom about your programming abilities...?

Quoted from Dan

And what makes you think I was talking to you? Just demonstrating it's not a big issue to do, and would really benefit something which should have so much more of an uptake.

Quoted from Marinerz93

I would like to nominate MarinerMatt's cancer Journey, a brave and honest lad.

Quoted from Marinerz93

I would like to nominate MarinerMatt's cancer Journey, a brave and honest lad.

Quoted from Marinerz93

I would like to nominate MarinerMatt's cancer Journey, a brave and honest lad.

Quoted from grimsby pete

My vote goes to moosey as well,

BUT

Not that one, its the one were he replies to  Hearn does everything but score, very funny,

Sorry do not know how to show the thread ,

Maybe some kind soul will help me out.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Thanks Biccys ,

BUT

I am too old to learn new tricks.

Quoted from upthestripes

Why not just copy the post Pete and paste it here?

But all you have to do, easier than what Biccys said, is to copy the address of the page that the post is on, and put "#num" at the end of it, followed by whatever number the post is (it says eg. 12 of 23 under the post, so just put #num12 at the end of the link and then you'll be taken straight to the post).

Quoted from grimsby pete

Thanks Ian, but my brain is a bit muddled at the moment,

I have got an infection from my bum op.

Quoted from upthestripes

Do you really Pete or are you joking? (sorry bit tick)

It is all a bit of a faff about tbf however you do it really. Maybe there should be a button for linking directly to posts? Know Rob is a busy man though.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Its no joke Ian, My bum is burning,

BUT

Antibioctics are starting to work + pain killers , so not too bad at moment,

I should be fit to play next week ( for town )   if selected.

Quoted from cardiffmariner

Utterly unnecessary from Fenty - as is usually the case with his public statements.

It says a lot about the club and the man himself that he cannot rise above such childish internet drivel and feels the need to take such a threatening and heavy-handed approach.

People on here talk about the potential death of GTFC but as far as I am concerned that has already happened.  I still support them (I'll be there tomorrow) but the fire and passion has been wiped away by the misery of the last ten years.  Rightly or wrongly, I blame JF for that, and I for one hope the man never gets near the chairmanship again.

Feel free to pass that on to John, Rob.