Do you know the length of Slade's contract and are you permitted to inform us,

If not why ?

From a lifetime member l

Why don't you email them and ask?

Quoted from Cloudy

Why don't you email them and ask?

I want all fishy members to read their answer not second hand from me.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Do you know the length of Slade's contract and are you permitted to inform us,

If not why ?

From a lifetime member l

I think it has about 2 or 3 days left.

Quoted from Cloudy

Why don't you email them and ask?

They don't respond to emails. Unless it's just my emails.

In reality why does it matter?

Quoted from HertsGTFC

In reality why does it matter?

Yes it does if it's a 6 month rolling that's good he can go now,

If it's a 3 or 4 year deal we are stuck with him,

If we do get rid Fenty should not appoint the next manager.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Yes it does if it's a 6 month rolling that's good he can go now,

If it's a 3 or 4 year deal we are stuck with him,

If we do get rid Fenty should not appoint the next manager.

Bit in bold - why are we stuck with him?

When eventually Slade goes as they all do, who should pick the next manager Pete?  

Pretty sure there will be severance agreement written into the contract regardless of how long the contract is for. Mr fenty has had his fingers burnt before  and what ever your thoughts are  on the man where money is concerned he is not daft. Should the desision be made to rid ourselfs of slade I would like to think the board would consider asking Alan buckley to be on the interview panel along with perhaps Dave Moore ( he has worked with enough of them over the years )

To be honest 99% of managers will be sacked inside 3 years, theres only Fergie and Wenger who remain, so the majority of chairman (non chairman) are useless at picking managers. Even Chelsea change their manager on average every 2 years.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Bit in bold - why are we stuck with him?

When eventually Slade goes as they all do, who should pick the next manager Pete?  

We are stuck with him because it would cost too much to pay him off,

I think we know who will pick the next manager I am just hoping it will not be him.

Bump

If we dont win on tuesday, he should be gone by wednesday dinner. Should give a new yes  er i mean manager time to settle in before the next window opens

Quoted from denni266

If we dont win on tuesday, he should be gone by wednesday dinner. Should give a new yes  er i mean manager time to settle in before the next window opens

Got to be in bottom four before that happens

Quoted from Garth

Got to be in bottom four before that happens

I have a very bad feeling  it will be too late by then  :-/

Quoted from Garth

Got to be in bottom four before that happens

Too late to do much then

Pete / I am the new chairman of the Trust. I have no idea what the point of this is.

I do not know the length of anyone’s contract at the football club and nor should I. That’s not the point of the Trust. We are here to act as a liaison between fans/members and the club.

Quoted from bax

Pete / I am the new chairman of the Trust. I have no idea what the point of this is.

I do not know the length of anyone’s contract at the football club and nor should I. That’s not the point of the Trust. We are here to act as a liaison between fans/members and the club.

Not blaming you for this, but don't you think that this relationship is at its' lowest ebb. I've followed Town for nearly 50 years and can never remember (might be my age!) the atmosphere so toxic and such a lack of mutual trust & respect.

I’ve only been in position two weeks so I’m glad you’re not blaming me 😂

Quoted from bax

Pete / I am the new chairman of the Trust. I have no idea what the point of this is.

I do not know the length of anyone’s contract at the football club and nor should I. That’s not the point of the Trust. We are here to act as a liaison between fans/members and the club.

The point is Bax in the 63 years I have followed Town this is the first time we have appointed a manger but not disclosed the length of his contract,

Why is it a secrets  ? The trust have a board member so he must know yet he has not informed anybody.

Fenty dodges the question and the Trust have no idea. Thanks.

Pete - why so aggressive?

As I explained the Trust isn’t there to get involved in staff contracts. I am sure the board members know but again it’s not in my gift to ask them about the private details of peoples contracts.

I am sure if someone asks the question at the fans forum you’ll get the correct answer.

We are here to act as a liaison between fans/members and the club. [/quote]

Hi bax, It`s broke the fans have had enough of being treat with contempt by our majority shareholder and served crap by his mate the Manager.

We want to see positive change on and off the pitch to take place ASAP if has many suspect were treading water til the new ground gets the proper go ahead fine BUT spell it out FFS.

Quoted from bax

Pete - why so aggressive?

As I explained the Trust isn’t there to get involved in staff contracts. I am sure the board members know but again it’s not in my gift to ask them about the private details of peoples contracts.

I am sure if someone asks the question at the fans forum you’ll get the correct answer.

I am not aggressive Bax just frustrated if you say you do not know I believe you,

Its just make it more sinister that the information of other managers and players have always come out at the press conference when they have signed for us,

BUT

On this occasion nothing has been said even after numerous posters on here have ask the question.

Seeing you have only been in post 2 weeks I do not blame you mate,

It's all Ian's fault  ;D

Quoted from bax

We are here to act as a liaison between fans/members and the club.

We may as well pack the whole idea in then.

Quoted from grimsby pete

I am not aggressive Bax just frustrated if you say you do not know I believe you,

Its just make it more sinister that the information of other managers and players have always come out at the press conference when they have signed for us,

BUT

On this occasion nothing has been said even after numerous posters on here have ask the question.

Seeing you have only been in post 2 weeks I do not blame you mate,

It's all Ian's fault  ;D

It`s odd Pete I agree with that but it doesn`t really matter he will either go or he will stay depending on results.Despite all the moaning I think RS is safe for another couple of games at least even if we lose them? Gates will be his undoing rather than soley results people will not pay good money to watch the style of football he wants to play and the fact he isn`t getting the results playing it will only add to his woes.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

It`s odd Pete I agree with that but it doesn`t really matter he will either go or he will stay depending on results.Despite all the moaning I think RS is safe for another couple of games at least even if we lose them? Gates will be his undoing rather than soley results people will not pay good money to watch the style of football he wants to play and the fact he isn`t getting the results playing it will only add to his woes.

You are right Micky but when somebody tries to keep a secret from me it makes me more determined to find out,

And I will one day. ;)

Quoted from KingstonMariner

We may as well pack the whole idea in then.

Why? The concept of a Football Club Trust is, in my view, to represent the fans and give the fans a more powerful voice by way of being a collective rather than a lone voice.

The Trust should be trying to ensure the club shows good governance although the club is totally under the control of one man which makes life difficult

Hi bax,

Just wondering if you can find out why the Upper Findus bogs haven’t had paper towels in them for a few games this season?

Never in my 21 years following Town have I had to go without drying my hands afer using the water piped directly from the Arctic until this season.

If you can’t answer this just what am I Trust member for?

I don't see the desperate need to know the details of Slade's contract.

Yeah it's often/usually made public but only the board can actually do anything about it so it makes no difference whether the supporters know how long it is or not.

Quoted from Tommy

I don't see the desperate need to know the details of Slade's contract.

Yeah it's often/usually made public but only the board can actually do anything about it so it makes no difference whether the supporters know how long it is or not.

Well if he is kept on say in 3-4 games time if the results continue in the same vein it makes a difference cos it means we can`t or wont pay him up.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Well if he is kept on say in 3-4 games time if the results continue in the same vein it makes a difference cos it means we can`t or wont pay him up.

Yeah I get that and probably agree. All my point is, is that us as supporters knowing what contract he is on actually makes no difference to how the board/JF manage the situation.

Quoted from Tommy

Yeah I get that and probably agree. All my point is, is that us as supporters knowing what contract he is on actually makes no difference to how the board/JF manage the situation.

Correct and bored though I am with the fayre on offer sadly I don`t think RS is as near to the trapdoor as many seem to think,but I have been wrong before and I live in hope ;D

It may or may not be important about the length of slades contract but as paying fans I think we are entitled to know how long the manager of our football club is appointed for. It was asked when he was appointed and we didn't get an answer. Why the secrecy?

Quoted from zorro_is_a_Mariner

It may or may not be important about the length of slades contract but as paying fans I think we are entitled to know how long the manager of our football club is appointed for. It was asked when he was appointed and we didn't get an answer. Why the secrecy?

I'm guessing the fans wouldn't be happy with the terms, especially given his history and the fact a lot didn't want him back anyway. The irony being that we have probably more than given him what he wanted at the end of his last tenure to stay here.

So basically, JF knew he was opening a can of worms bringing him back, but didn't want to take the lid off completely.

Bax
Sorry to be a pain but what do we get for the money that is paid by the Trust per year because if the fans get no info from Board level that effects club and fans then whats the point of having a seat at the top table.
Slades wages and length of contact effects the club and fans as does Stevenage come to that.
You say to Pete "We are here to act as a liaison between fans/members and the club" I cant see Mr Fenty reciprocating that in any way.

Im not getting onto you, I wouldn't want to sit across the table from Fenty trying to get the best for the fans.

Quoted from Cloudy

Why? The concept of a Football Club Trust is, in my view, to represent the fans and give the fans a more powerful voice by way of being a collective rather than a lone voice.

The Trust should be trying to ensure the club shows good governance although the club is totally under the control of one man which makes life difficult

The Trust is about more than just acting as 'liaison between fans/members and the club'. If that's all it is, we're in a hopeless situation.

I'm all for having a Trust. Have been since day one. I'm an absolute believer in them. But if the height of the ambition is to 'liaise', especially given recent history, it's time to close the book.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

The Trust is about more than just acting as 'liaison between fans/members and the club'. If that's all it is, we're in a hopeless situation.

I'm all for having a Trust. Have been since day one. I'm an absolute believer in them. But if the height of the ambition is to 'liaise', especially given recent history, it's time to close the book.

Who said that?

Totally agree that the ambition should be much higher. As stated, IMO the Trust should be about holding the club to account, to ensure we still have a club  and that JF is not allowed to further strengthen his position by simply managing his way, which has hardly proven to be a success.
Time to try something different in my view BUT not at the cost of liquidation or administration

Bottom line is that the Club/board/major shareholder want to keep the fans at arm's length (or further). Only once has JF been at the mercy of the fans/Trust members and we know what happened then.

It saddens me that all the hard work put in by the Trust doesn't allow them to have a greater say or forge a better dynamic between the fans and the club's hierarchy.

Quoted from Cloudy

Who said that?

Totally agree that the ambition should be much higher. As stated, IMO the Trust should be about holding the club to account, to ensure we still have a club  and that JF is not allowed to further strengthen his position by simply managing his way, which has hardly proven to be a success.
Time to try something different in my view BUT not at the cost of liquidation or administration

Sadly I don't think the Trust has the balls and is not prepared to go into bat for the fans and take Fenty on. Shame as they are the only ones in a position to do so albeit through a less than powerful seat on the board. I feel they are constantly on the fence and scared stiff of upsetting Fenty so if they are going to fall either way it will be on his side. Toothless.

Quoted from bax

Pete - why so aggressive?

As I explained the Trust isn’t there to get involved in staff contracts. I am sure the board members know but again it’s not in my gift to ask them about the private details of peoples contracts.

I am sure if someone asks the question at the fans forum you’ll get the correct answer.

Try Golfer before he goes completely insane ;)

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Not blaming you for this, but don't you think that this relationship is at its' lowest ebb. I've followed Town for nearly 50 years and can never remember (might be my age!) the atmosphere so toxic and such a lack of mutual trust & respect.

For a very large part of that 50 years we weren't "blessed" with Social Media. My first season was the 1968/69 re-election season and people really did vote with their feet.
As for toxicity surely your memory isn't so bad that you cannot remember Halifax away in 2015/16 when a thread which misrepresented what the manager said appeared on here? Or the atmosphere after Braintree at home in the play-offs when, 90 minutes from a Wembley appearance a director (Lee Mullen) had to go and remove a "Hurst Out" banner from the flyover and there were serious calls to have Hurst sacked before the second leg?
This football website which used to stand out head and shoulders over most others of the type (if not all) has become over the last couple of weeks a byword for what can only be described as mass hysteria. It is barely worth taking the trouble to start a new thread (unless of course it is anti-GTFC establishment). There cannot be anyone within the boundaries of North East Lincs (and well beyond that as it happens) who doesn't "get" that there is unrest about the way the club is heading. I doubt you will find one single Town fan who is remotely happy about not having seen a goal in the League at home since September 26th. I have a few health problems at the moment and couldn't make the game on Saturday but I can't exactly say that I was looking forward to the event!! I wouldn't dream of criticising people's right to express their views but the sustained misery is driving some pretty decent posters away. There is no humour on here anymore-not even gallows humour and without it the Fishy drops to the same level as those that we regularly poke fun at for me.
Next Tuesday with the Fans Forum represents the best possible chance to start building bridges. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that JF will "rig" the questions and even less that The Trust would allow it. If the situation is as bad as some think then McMenemy's should be packed to the rafters next Tuesday. At the risk of being lambasted (not that at the moment I'm really bothered) J.F. merits some credit for agreeing to take part in this event at a time when it would be so easy to hide away and pull up the drawbridge

Quoted from barralad

For a very large part of that 50 years we weren't "blessed" with Social Media. My first season was the 1968/69 re-election season and people really did vote with their feet.
As for toxicity surely your memory isn't so bad that you cannot remember Halifax away in 2015/16 when a thread which misrepresented what the manager said appeared on here? Or the atmosphere after Braintree at home in the play-offs when, 90 minutes from a Wembley appearance a director (Lee Mullen) had to go and remove a "Hurst Out" banner from the flyover and there were serious calls to have Hurst sacked before the second leg?
This football website which used to stand out head and shoulders over most others of the type (if not all) has become over the last couple of weeks a byword for what can only be described as mass hysteria. It is barely worth taking the trouble to start a new thread (unless of course it is anti-GTFC establishment). There cannot be anyone within the boundaries of North East Lincs (and well beyond that as it happens) who doesn't "get" that there is unrest about the way the club is heading. I doubt you will find one single Town fan who is remotely happy about not having seen a goal in the League at home since September 26th. I have a few health problems at the moment and couldn't make the game on Saturday but I can't exactly say that I was looking forward to the event!! I wouldn't dream of criticising people's right to express their views but the sustained misery is driving some pretty decent posters away. There is no humour on here anymore-not even gallows humour and without it the Fishy drops to the same level as those that we regularly poke fun at for me.
Next Tuesday with the Fans Forum represents the best possible chance to start building bridges. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that JF will "rig" the questions and even less that The Trust would allow it. If the situation is as bad as some think then McMenemy's should be packed to the rafters next Tuesday. At the risk of being lambasted (not that at the moment I'm really bothered) J.F. merits some credit for agreeing to take part in this event at a time when it would be so easy to hide away and pull up the drawbridge

A well thought out post Ian. Spot on!

UTM!

Quoted from barralad

when it would be so easy to hide away and pull up the drawbridge

Rather he do this than come out with his nonsense statements which started this whole chain of events in the first place!

Quoted from Ipswin

Sadly I don't think the Trust has the balls and is not prepared to go into bat for the fans and take Fenty on. Shame as they are the only ones in a position to do so albeit through a less than powerful seat on the board. I feel they are constantly on the fence and scared stiff of upsetting Fenty so if they are going to fall either way it will be on his side. Toothless.

What you're saying is that The Trust is not fit for purpose, maybe a change at the top is required. Any takers?

Quoted from bax

Pete - why so aggressive?

As I explained the Trust isn’t there to get involved in staff contracts. I am sure the board members know but again it’s not in my gift to ask them about the private details of peoples contracts.

I am sure if someone asks the question at the fans forum you’ll get the correct answer.

Err....................... when a director makes a public statment and calls you an idiot by name yes I can see why Pete is agressive.

(boxer)(boxer)(boxer)

Quoted from pizzzza

What you're saying is that The Trust is not fit for purpose, maybe a change at the top is required. Any takers?

Good luck with that then. We are less than a month since an A.G.M. which was an ideal opportunity for new blood to bring some new ideas to the table. There has been criticism of the Trust's role on here for some time but whenever an opportunity to make things better comes along such as the Open Meeting (incidentally held on a Saturday to increase inclusivity) the response is typically lukewarm. I have a real fear that the Fans Forum will once again be reliant on what are disparagingly described on here as pointless questions about the likes of flasks because those who feel strongest cannot see that it is an opportunity to speak directly to the person (with the aid of the local arm of a national broadcaster) who allegedly makes all the decisions. The Fishy rightly or wrongly likes to see itself as being at the cutting edge of fans opinion. The role played by people on here in not only starting Operation Promotion but throughout its duration keeping it in the limelight cannot be underestimated  but the Fishy is in danger of being seen as a vehicle for people who just want to moan.
I've never hidden behind my keyboard and talk to people regularly about all things GTFC. Guess what? The only topics of conversation are about facilities, the new ground and the apparent lack of success on the pitch. There are hundreds probably thousands of fans who go nowhere near this website. I'm not defending the comments made but what I am saying is that in the rarified atmosphere that is The Fishy they have been greatly magnified. Perhaps I just don't understand social media.

Quoted from barralad

For a very large part of that 50 years we weren't "blessed" with Social Media. My first season was the 1968/69 re-election season and people really did vote with their feet.
As for toxicity surely your memory isn't so bad that you cannot remember Halifax away in 2015/16 when a thread which misrepresented what the manager said appeared on here? Or the atmosphere after Braintree at home in the play-offs when, 90 minutes from a Wembley appearance a director (Lee Mullen) had to go and remove a "Hurst Out" banner from the flyover and there were serious calls to have Hurst sacked before the second leg?
This football website which used to stand out head and shoulders over most others of the type (if not all) has become over the last couple of weeks a byword for what can only be described as mass hysteria. It is barely worth taking the trouble to start a new thread (unless of course it is anti-GTFC establishment). There cannot be anyone within the boundaries of North East Lincs (and well beyond that as it happens) who doesn't "get" that there is unrest about the way the club is heading. I doubt you will find one single Town fan who is remotely happy about not having seen a goal in the League at home since September 26th. I have a few health problems at the moment and couldn't make the game on Saturday but I can't exactly say that I was looking forward to the event!! I wouldn't dream of criticising people's right to express their views but the sustained misery is driving some pretty decent posters away. There is no humour on here anymore-not even gallows humour and without it the Fishy drops to the same level as those that we regularly poke fun at for me.
Next Tuesday with the Fans Forum represents the best possible chance to start building bridges. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that JF will "rig" the questions and even less that The Trust would allow it. If the situation is as bad as some think then McMenemy's should be packed to the rafters next Tuesday. At the risk of being lambasted (not that at the moment I'm really bothered) J.F. merits some credit for agreeing to take part in this event at a time when it would be so easy to hide away and pull up the drawbridge

I couldn’t of worded that better. 👍🏼

No humour on the fishy combined with mass hysteria ...the last twenty years have been diabolical I refuse to accept the Wembley appearances in non league as real success or any of the non league stuff. Tonight’s gate will reflect the mood,social media just gets it out there quicker what the fans are thinking / saying it doesn’t distort the facts we are a club that needs change.

Quoted from barralad

For a very large part of that 50 years we weren't "blessed" with Social Media. My first season was the 1968/69 re-election season and people really did vote with their feet.
As for toxicity surely your memory isn't so bad that you cannot remember Halifax away in 2015/16 when a thread which misrepresented what the manager said appeared on here? Or the atmosphere after Braintree at home in the play-offs when, 90 minutes from a Wembley appearance a director (Lee Mullen) had to go and remove a "Hurst Out" banner from the flyover and there were serious calls to have Hurst sacked before the second leg?
This football website which used to stand out head and shoulders over most others of the type (if not all) has become over the last couple of weeks a byword for what can only be described as mass hysteria. It is barely worth taking the trouble to start a new thread (unless of course it is anti-GTFC establishment). There cannot be anyone within the boundaries of North East Lincs (and well beyond that as it happens) who doesn't "get" that there is unrest about the way the club is heading. I doubt you will find one single Town fan who is remotely happy about not having seen a goal in the League at home since September 26th. I have a few health problems at the moment and couldn't make the game on Saturday but I can't exactly say that I was looking forward to the event!! I wouldn't dream of criticising people's right to express their views but the sustained misery is driving some pretty decent posters away. There is no humour on here anymore-not even gallows humour and without it the Fishy drops to the same level as those that we regularly poke fun at for me.
Next Tuesday with the Fans Forum represents the best possible chance to start building bridges. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that JF will "rig" the questions and even less that The Trust would allow it. If the situation is as bad as some think then McMenemy's should be packed to the rafters next Tuesday. At the risk of being lambasted (not that at the moment I'm really bothered) J.F. merits some credit for agreeing to take part in this event at a time when it would be so easy to hide away and pull up the drawbridge

The Hurst thing was about fans being drunk about being stuck in the wilderness of non league.
What you see now is more about the disconnect between the great leader and us plebs that go to the watch his team.
It is a fact that under Fentys tenure that GTFC has had nothing but failure and the fans on here can’t see any light at the end of the tunnel.
Please please Fenty go now.

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

No humour on the fishy combined with mass hysteria ...the last twenty years have been diabolical I refuse to accept the Wembley appearances in non league as real success or any of the non league stuff. Tonight’s gate will reflect the mood,social media just gets it out there quicker what the fans are thinking / saying it doesn’t distort the facts we are a club that needs change.

I'll save you a seat on the front row for next Tuesday then Dappers...
At some point sooner rather than later the club and fans are going to have to re-engage otherwise the very thing we all want to avoid becomes more a probability than merely a possibility.

Quoted from barralad

For a very large part of that 50 years we weren't "blessed" with Social Media. My first season was the 1968/69 re-election season and people really did vote with their feet.
As for toxicity surely your memory isn't so bad that you cannot remember Halifax away in 2015/16 when a thread which misrepresented what the manager said appeared on here? Or the atmosphere after Braintree at home in the play-offs when, 90 minutes from a Wembley appearance a director (Lee Mullen) had to go and remove a "Hurst Out" banner from the flyover and there were serious calls to have Hurst sacked before the second leg?
This football website which used to stand out head and shoulders over most others of the type (if not all) has become over the last couple of weeks a byword for what can only be described as mass hysteria. It is barely worth taking the trouble to start a new thread (unless of course it is anti-GTFC establishment). There cannot be anyone within the boundaries of North East Lincs (and well beyond that as it happens) who doesn't "get" that there is unrest about the way the club is heading. I doubt you will find one single Town fan who is remotely happy about not having seen a goal in the League at home since September 26th. I have a few health problems at the moment and couldn't make the game on Saturday but I can't exactly say that I was looking forward to the event!! I wouldn't dream of criticising people's right to express their views but the sustained misery is driving some pretty decent posters away. There is no humour on here anymore-not even gallows humour and without it the Fishy drops to the same level as those that we regularly poke fun at for me.
Next Tuesday with the Fans Forum represents the best possible chance to start building bridges. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that JF will "rig" the questions and even less that The Trust would allow it. If the situation is as bad as some think then McMenemy's should be packed to the rafters next Tuesday. At the risk of being lambasted (not that at the moment I'm really bothered) J.F. merits some credit for agreeing to take part in this event at a time when it would be so easy to hide away and pull up the drawbridge

Good post, hope your feeling better soon Ian.

On reflection my view is that JF and the board do need to start doing a bit more in the way of fan engagement, feels like we've lost sight of that, maybe the Trust can help with that kind of thing on top of all the stuff they do already. I have no real problem with JF or the rest of the directors but it does feel like they do need to "earn the right" again and by that I don't mean by pumping money in..

Re the manager, clearly a nice bloke who cares but has a bit to prove to demonstrate he's not past his best, personally I don't think he'll take us forward but I very much doubt we are going down as some predict. If we get lucky and bring in someone who knows where the back of the net is then maybe who knows. Change will ultimately need to come but now would be counter productive.

Re the atmosphere I think some posters on here and other social media sites need to understand they are just as much responsible for that as the non chairman, manager and team. "Keyboard warriors"? Maybe maybe not but clearly there are a number of people who insist on calling for change when they don't even go to games which I personally find a bit odd. Lots of talk recently about the club not deserving the support etc.. etc.. but actually that "support" from some supporters might not deserve a club at times. Some of the suggestions about "investors" buying out JF and fan take overs are in reality not going to happen.

The negativity (which at times I have been part of) does not appear to be adding anything so maybe its time for a bit of unity. I am far from happy with our lot on and off the park but at about 3pm today I will get in the car make the 300 mile round trip and travel up for the game then make the trip back in time for work tomorrow.

UTM!

Quoted from barralad

For a very large part of that 50 years we weren't "blessed" with Social Media. My first season was the 1968/69 re-election season and people really did vote with their feet.
As for toxicity surely your memory isn't so bad that you cannot remember Halifax away in 2015/16 when a thread which misrepresented what the manager said appeared on here? Or the atmosphere after Braintree at home in the play-offs when, 90 minutes from a Wembley appearance a director (Lee Mullen) had to go and remove a "Hurst Out" banner from the flyover and there were serious calls to have Hurst sacked before the second leg?
This football website which used to stand out head and shoulders over most others of the type (if not all) has become over the last couple of weeks a byword for what can only be described as mass hysteria. It is barely worth taking the trouble to start a new thread (unless of course it is anti-GTFC establishment). There cannot be anyone within the boundaries of North East Lincs (and well beyond that as it happens) who doesn't "get" that there is unrest about the way the club is heading. I doubt you will find one single Town fan who is remotely happy about not having seen a goal in the League at home since September 26th. I have a few health problems at the moment and couldn't make the game on Saturday but I can't exactly say that I was looking forward to the event!! I wouldn't dream of criticising people's right to express their views but the sustained misery is driving some pretty decent posters away. There is no humour on here anymore-not even gallows humour and without it the Fishy drops to the same level as those that we regularly poke fun at for me.
Next Tuesday with the Fans Forum represents the best possible chance to start building bridges. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that JF will "rig" the questions and even less that The Trust would allow it. If the situation is as bad as some think then McMenemy's should be packed to the rafters next Tuesday. At the risk of being lambasted (not that at the moment I'm really bothered) J.F. merits some credit for agreeing to take part in this event at a time when it would be so easy to hide away and pull up the drawbridge

Very good post sir, though i disagree with elements of it. The word toxic keeps getting used but is it really toxic? No, i don't believe it is- i've seen toxic at BP and this isn't it. BP is more akin to a wake, where there is very little in the way of open and direct confrontation. I would say that apathy is the over-riding feeling around at the moment, i know it is with me. I have never been more bored and disillusioned than i am right now and i am someone who watched 99% of the non league years, hating every minute of it. I don't feel any connection with the club, the players, and especially the manager and if i hadn't bought a season ticket, i doubt i would be attending at all to be honest.

I actually think that social media dilutes the anger, because people now have an outlet they never used to have and don't have to wait for the next home game to come around for before they get a chance to vent.

As for the fans forum, i won't be attending that because as i said earlier, i'm past the point of caring personally and nothing that can be said will make me feel any different. I don't think that there is a chance to build bridges, because i feel there is not enough material left to build a bridge from. It will just be a load of talking heads, and the football, which is all i care about, will still be dire. It has been for the best part of 15 years, so i have no faith that any amount of talking is going to change that state of affairs.

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Re the atmosphere I think some posters on here and other social media sites need to understand they are just as much responsible for that as the non chairman, manager and team. "Keyboard warriors"? Maybe maybe not but clearly there are a number of people who insist on calling for change when they don't even go to games which I personally find a bit odd. Lots of talk recently about the club not deserving the support etc.. etc.. but actually that "support" from some supporters might not deserve a club at times. Some of the suggestions about "investors" buying out JF and fan take overs are in reality not going to happen.

The negativity (which at times I have been part of) does not appear to be adding anything so maybe its time for a bit of unity. I am far from happy with our lot on and off the park but at about 3pm today I will get in the car make the 300 mile round trip and travel up for the game then make the trip back in time for work tomorrow.

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I sat 10 feet away from slade when we played lincoln a game they dominated in my opinion however in the second half we did have a ten min spell a good spell tbh I heard slade shout slow it down slow it down to Dixon who looked confused as it was obvious the momentum was with us and maybe the breakthrough was coming. The crowd was revved up and like Dixon could sense a goal maybe coming but no let’s slow the game down and play for a point.  It’s just not my idea of money well spent so my point being is don’t blame the fans as their the only good things about our club

barralad is in my opinion just about the most balanced of posters on here he calls things how he sees them but objectively. His latest post is another example and I maybe wrong but I get the impression he is doing a Fenty and calling out those who are demanding change.Well I am one of them and I will go next week BUT I genuinely believe I will be wasting my time and any real questions will be ignored.The reason for this is numerous times I have sent what I considered decent proposals to improve things at the Club to both Trust and board members and despite being assured these were being looked at never heard a thing.The last 15 years have been shockingly bad for supporters of GTFC and the Wembley appearances don`t paper over that due to the level we were playing at.The games moved on and sadly Grimsby haven't and what really grates me more than anything else in the last 15 years is the missed opportunity after the FGR victory at Wembley.Lincoln City have eclipsed us and are showing what we could/should have had a sold out home game week in week out with a mediocre league 2 side.The support was there it was galvanised and ready to back the Club to the hilt and then...............................

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

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Re the atmosphere I think some posters on here and other social media sites need to understand they are just as much responsible for that as the non chairman, manager and team. "Keyboard warriors"? Maybe maybe not but clearly there are a number of people who insist on calling for change when they don't even go to games which I personally find a bit odd. Lots of talk recently about the club not deserving the support etc.. etc.. but actually that "support" from some supporters might not deserve a club at times. Some of the suggestions about "investors" buying out JF and fan take overs are in reality not going to happen.

The negativity (which at times I have been part of) does not appear to be adding anything so maybe its time for a bit of unity. I am far from happy with our lot on and off the park but at about 3pm today I will get in the car make the 300 mile round trip and travel up for the game then make the trip back in time for work tomorrow.

UTM!

I sat 10 feet away from slade when we played lincoln a game they dominated in my opinion however in the second half we did have a ten min spell a good spell tbh I heard slade shout slow it down slow it down to Dixon who looked confused as it was obvious the momentum was with us and maybe the breakthrough was coming. The crowd was revved up and like Dixon could sense a goal maybe coming but no let’s slow the game down and play for a point.  It’s just not my idea of money well spent so my point being is don’t blame the fans as their the only good things about our club
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I was not blaming the supporters but "some supporters" and "a number of people" (quotes from my post) are not getting behind the side or club and their "rhetoric" it generating a degree of negativity that actually at this point in time may only be confined to message boards but could easily spread like wild fire. Like I say I'm not happy about where we are on and off the park.  

I have similar feelings to ginny in that I just dont care much anymore.

I will be there tonight but have little interest.

The call for the fans to reach out in the search of more unity is admirable but for me, it has been destroyed by JF. I see no chance of feeling any sympathy or admiration for the man who has driven a wedge between me and ( what i still consider) my club!

There is now little chance of reconciliation for me and after 50 years i honestly thing the 'marriage' is over.

I won't be going to watch Scunny or anywhere else. Not looking for sympathy  or an argument, just feel I am at the end which saddens me greatly.

Quoted from Cloudy

I have similar feelings to ginny in that I just dont care much anymore.

I will be there tonight but have little interest.

The call for the fans to reach out in the search of more unity is admirable but for me, it has been destroyed by JF. I see no chance of feeling any sympathy or admiration for the man who has driven a wedge between me and ( what i still consider) my club!

There is now little chance of reconciliation for me and after 50 years i honestly thing the 'marriage' is over.

I won't be going to watch Scunny or anywhere else. Not looking for sympathy  or an argument, just feel I am at the end which saddens me greatly.

Same that, after such a long time :(

Quoted from barralad

I'll save you a seat on the front row for next Tuesday then Dappers...
At some point sooner rather than later the club and fans are going to have to re-engage otherwise the very thing we all want to avoid becomes more a probability than merely a possibility.

Tell that to ye mate Fenty

Much maligned as the Fishy may be from some quarters, the directors do view the site and read the posts, even to the point of printing some of them out and keeping them. There can't be many clubs where that is the case, and where there is such a direct route to the gaze of the decision makers. They don't really need the trust to tell them questions like the one raised by the OP because doubtless they have read the topic for themselves and are perfectly aware that it is an issue that is being debated at length.

Quoted from TAGG

Tell that to ye mate Fenty

Which part of "The club and fans" are you struggling with?

"I actually think that social media dilutes the anger, because people now have an outlet they never used to have and don't have to wait for the next home game to come around for before they get a chance to vent".

I think this is a really good point TBH, but social media accounts for a small proportion of attendees. Maybe the apathy that we feel at BP is a reflection of the lack of excitement being generated from the top as well as on the park, like I say our board need to work harder to earn the right to their seats. Not sure they understand buying shares gets you access but it's what you do afterwards that counts............ This is not the time for grey men in the background or defensive fans forums we need energy and we need it now.  

  

Quoted from Cloudy

I have similar feelings to ginny in that I just dont care much anymore.

I will be there tonight but have little interest.

The call for the fans to reach out in the search of more unity is admirable but for me, it has been destroyed by JF. I see no chance of feeling any sympathy or admiration for the man who has driven a wedge between me and ( what i still consider) my club!

There is now little chance of reconciliation for me and after 50 years i honestly thing the 'marriage' is over.

I won't be going to watch Scunny or anywhere else. Not looking for sympathy  or an argument, just feel I am at the end which saddens me greatly.

Yep, feels like the end of my marriage did. When it's over it's over and all the marriage counselling in the world won't fix it. The spark eventually goes and you look for something to bring that spark back. The only way that can happen with your team is a complete regime change.

I feel lucky to call barralad a friend, and whenever I go to a game I always try and get a seat with him.

I respect his views immensely, and think his post on the subject of fan engagement to be spot on, but as it is written in conciliatory tones it has attracted some criticism, much the same as one of my posts re fan ownership did when I talked about conciliation and engaging with JF. It's a difficult path to tread, you go banging on the door saying "we want this, we want that, or else" and the drawbridges go up.

The Trust are in such a position. They have to work with the club, not against it, or they get nothing. It's the real world, although the actions of the man at the helm do not make for an easy working relationship I would imagine. I would imagine the Trust suffer the same kind of despair we all did when we saw the "ten rounds" letter, so let's not go bashing the trust, or it's messengers, they're there to do a difficult job, in difficult times and am sure they represent the views of the vast majority of the fans. We may not always like what we hear from them, because of the circumstances they have to work in,  but they do represent our views and that is such an important link to have.

I have met Barralad, done some work at his house in fact, and yes he is a top bloke. I'm not criticising him in any way, i just disagree with some of what he said. The Trust have a thankless task and are in danger of becoming stuck in the middle of the war of words currently happening. I did seriously consider becoming more involved with the Trust and volunteering what little skill set i have to them, but i decided it wasn't worth the grief and i now find myself in a position where i don't even want to watch the team, never mind anything else involving GTFC.

Quoted from GrimRob

Much maligned as the Fishy may be from some quarters, the directors do view the site and read the posts, even to the point of printing some of them out and keeping them. There can't be many clubs where that is the case, and where there is such a direct route to the gaze of the decision makers. They don't really need the trust to tell them questions like the one raised by the OP because doubtless they have read the topic for themselves and are perfectly aware that it is an issue that is being debated at length.

Fair point, the worrying thing for me though is that some posters and guests believe  that this site is the barometer for all of Town's support and that they represent the masses when in reality they are just a vocal minority, some of whom have not set foot in BP for ages.  

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Fair point, the worrying thing for me though is that some posters and guests believe  that this site is the barometer for all of Town's support and that they represent the masses when in reality they are just a vocal minority, some of whom have not set foot in BP for ages.  

Not true in my experience. Of my regular group of four at BP, all season ticket holders, i am the only one who posts on here, my brother doesn't have a computer or smartphone even. All four feel the same way and my brother has already given up going. Two other members of my family sit in other parts of the ground and they also feel this way.

Quoted from barralad

talk to people regularly about all things GTFC. Guess what? The only topics of conversation are about facilities, the new ground and the apparent lack of success on the pitch.  

Sorry, I have to pull you up on this as it is just plain wrong. Maybe you are only speaking to a small band of happy clappers but the conversations that I have been having in the past few weeks (both at games and away from BP) people (from all walks of life - not just on social media) ARE talking about the lack of entertainment and wanting rid of RS and having a change in the boardroom.

Disagree that it is a vocal minority,those who are voice their concerns are not the ones to worry about,it is those who through apathy have given up altogether.

The Trust has to make a decision what it wants to be,a body to represent the views of the fans,or being content at sitting at the big boys table and being content with what scraps J.F. deigns to feed it.

Quoted from Mariner Ronnie

I couldn’t of worded that better. 👍🏼

I disagree, you certainly could HAVE worded it better

Quoted from pizzzza

Sorry, I have to pull you up on this as it is just plain wrong. Maybe you are only speaking to a small band of happy clappers but the conversations that I have been having in the past few weeks (both at games and away from BP) people (from all walks of life - not just on social media) ARE talking about the lack of entertainment and wanting rid of RS and having a change in the boardroom.

Always thought the Fishy only represented a small, mad, lunatic minority as I believe JF does.

I now find that virtually everyone i speak to home and away, across the age spectrum, to a man are angry about the leadership of the club and the football on offer. TBH, the football isnt as bad as some make out IMO  :P

Quoted from Cloudy

I have similar feelings to ginny in that I just dont care much anymore.

I will be there tonight but have little interest.

The call for the fans to reach out in the search of more unity is admirable but for me, it has been destroyed by JF. I see no chance of feeling any sympathy or admiration for the man who has driven a wedge between me and ( what i still consider) my club!

There is now little chance of reconciliation for me and after 50 years i honestly thing the 'marriage' is over.

I won't be going to watch Scunny or anywhere else. Not looking for sympathy  or an argument, just feel I am at the end which saddens me greatly.

Frankly I don`t see why I should give an inch I had to endure  6 years of watching my beloved team in non league.When we finally escaped that hell I was full of optimism and it was all there for the taking.The powers that be at Club failed to grab the bull by the horns and they have let me and all the other supporters down and they appear to be back where they were prior to relegation last time it stinks.

I honestly think the Directors have no idea that dwindling crowds lead to a percentage of regular supporters, never coming back.
This has happened in my case. After relegation to the Conference, I vowed not to return until we were back in the Football League. I'm still waiting for the enthusiasm to get me to return.

Quoted from ginnywings

I have met Barralad, done some work at his house in fact, and yes he is a top bloke. I'm not criticising him in any way, i just disagree with some of what he said. The Trust have a thankless task and are in danger of becoming stuck in the middle of the war of words currently happening. I did seriously consider becoming more involved with the Trust and volunteering what little skill set i have to them, but i decided it wasn't worth the grief and i now find myself in a position where i don't even want to watch the team, never mind anything else involving GTFC.

I agree with what you are saying Ginny.

A few months back I was going on and on about not getting my lifetime membership card from the Trust,

I just wanted in my wallet as I travel round Suffolk,

Now I am not bothered if they send me it or not.

Very poor Trust  :B

Jesus Pete you really are flipping boring.

I agree that the Fishy doesn't represent the vast majority of Town fans but that is not to say that the majority aren't drunk off with what they see on the pitch.

Quoted from gtfc98

Jesus Pete you really are flipping boring.

You are not the first person to say that nor will you be the last. :P

Quoted from grimsby pete

I agree with what you are saying Ginny.

A few months back I was going on and on about not getting my lifetime membership card from the Trust,

I just wanted in my wallet as I travel round Suffolk,

Now I am not bothered if they send me it or not.

Very poor Trust  :B

Great sense of perspective Pete, sack em all ;)

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Great sense of perspective Pete, sack em all ;)

Just a bit drunk off today mate who should I pick on next ?

I know that gtfc98 bloke is not very nice is he ?

Quoted from grimsby pete

Just a bit drunk off today mate who should I pick on next ?

I know that gtfc98 bloke is not very nice is he ?

:) :) :)

Quoted from grimsby pete

I agree with what you are saying Ginny.

A few months back I was going on and on about not getting my lifetime membership card from the Trust,

I just wanted in my wallet as I travel round Suffolk,

Now I am not bothered if they send me it or not.

Very poor Trust  :B

Seriously Pete, how many times have we contacted you on this issue?!

If Fenty and board members read the Fishy regularly then they'll know how the majority of us feel about a whole range of stuff. They'll know our concerns and fears.

It's what they do with that information that concerns me most.

Because right now it feels like they just sit on it until they get really angry and then they come bursting on here with passive aggressive nonsense like last week.

That achieves absolutely nothing.

It explains why the fans feel like they don't listen. Fenty says he's open and honest but he really isn't. We only hear from him when he's trying to rectify something.

Things wouldn't need rectifying if he was as honest and open as he thinks he is. If us fans had a better grasp of the true difficulties that come with running a football club then maybe we'd be more sympathetic to his cause.

But because he's a closed book - voting for things without consulting us first, not speaking up for fans that needed his support in the Stevenage case, being aggressive on here, etc - he'll simply continue driving a wedge between him and the fans.

Barralad's comments echo what I could say. Historically, whenever people are given the chance to affect change they haven't taken it. The Fishy is only a snapshot of a few supporters, it's not the voice of a majority. In the last two weeks I've had one private message and one email about the future of the Trust and/or the club. That's two people. We had about 20 at the AGM and a similar number at the open meeting.

We've already committed to surveying all fans and finding out what people want the Trust to do. You can go to the fans forum next week, watch it on YouTube or listen on RH. Get involved. You can't and won't get change from moaning on here. I'll be the Trust rep on the panel so ask away.

Quoted from ginnywings

I have met Barralad, done some work at his house in fact, and yes he is a top bloke. I'm not criticising him in any way, i just disagree with some of what he said. The Trust have a thankless task and are in danger of becoming stuck in the middle of the war of words currently happening. I did seriously consider becoming more involved with the Trust and volunteering what little skill set i have to them, but i decided it wasn't worth the grief and i now find myself in a position where i don't even want to watch the team, never mind anything else involving GTFC.

Fook me! If I was a catholic I'd be having a word about the possibility of sainthood. I'm a Town fan and a Socialist which surprisingly makes me used to being disagreed with! I will debate with anyone and will defend anyone's right to express a view

Quoted from bax

Seriously Pete, how many times have we contacted you on this issue?!

That's what I meant I still have not got it but it does not matter now I have lost interest in all things Grimsby Town at the moment.

The apathy from long term and previously passionate supporters is extremely concerning. Do these people who feel that way think that a regime change could bring the spark back? Purely hypothetical but I'm interested because if not then the long term future of the club is not good.

Quoted from Ipswin

I disagree, you certainly could HAVE worded it better

Where’s your full stop?

Quoted from GrimRob

Much maligned as the Fishy may be from some quarters, the directors do view the site and read the posts, even to the point of printing some of them out and keeping them. There can't be many clubs where that is the case, and where there is such a direct route to the gaze of the decision makers. They don't really need the trust to tell them questions like the one raised by the OP because doubtless they have read the topic for themselves and are perfectly aware that it is an issue that is being debated at length.

The bit in bold is the frustrating thing for me.

I don't believe that JF posting on here (or any other GTFC forum) is a good idea personally but he does and that's 100% his choice to do so.

When he does, as he did last week (Friday?), he has the opportunity to engender some respect from the fans by answering the actual questions that he knows the fans are asking on here.

Instead though, he decides to make a post that is designed to do one thing and one thing only - to intimidate certain sections of the support from not attending the fans forum and asking these questions.  

"I know exactly what questions you want answers to but I dare you to come and ask me them to my face, you're all keyboard warriors"

It's bully-boy intimidation tactics.

Instead of spending the time he did last week writing that post he could have actually answered the questions posed here - but all we got was an aggressive post that doesn't do anything other than turn more people against him (plus his primary objective of trying to put certain people off attending the fans forum).

I'd like to think that the Trust could canvas the supporters for questions to ask at the forum for those fans that are unable to attend.

Quoted from barralad

Fook me! If I was a catholic I'd be having a word about the possibility of sainthood. I'm a Town fan and a Socialist which surprisingly makes me used to being disagreed with! I will debate with anyone and will defend anyone's right to express a view

St. Barra ov Scaffa.

Being a socialist GTFC fan myself, i get what you say.

Unfortunately it isn't just one thing to get the fans back.
Entertainment goes a good way.

Quoted from grimsby pete

That's what I meant I still have not got it but it does not matter now I have lost interest in all things Grimsby Town at the moment.

Then I'll guess you'll restrict yourself to the non football board then?

Quoted from Quagmire

The bit in bold is the frustrating thing for me.

I don't believe that JF posting on here (or any other GTFC forum) is a good idea personally but he does and that's 100% his choice to do so.

When he does, as he did last week (Friday?), he has the opportunity to engender some respect from the fans by answering the actual questions that he knows the fans are asking on here.

Instead though, he decides to make a post that is designed to do one thing and one thing only - to intimidate certain sections of the support from not attending the fans forum and asking these questions.  

"I know exactly what questions you want answers to but I dare you to come and ask me them to my face, you're all keyboard warriors"

It's bully-boy intimidation tactics.

Instead of spending the time he did last week writing that post he could have actually answered the questions posed here - but all we got was an aggressive post that doesn't do anything other than turn more people against him (plus his primary objective of trying to put certain people off attending the fans forum).

I'd like to think that the Trust could canvas the supporters for questions to ask at the forum for those fans that are unable to attend.

He's moved the debate to his territory. Classic tactic.

Quoted from pizzzza

Sorry, I have to pull you up on this as it is just plain wrong. Maybe you are only speaking to a small band of happy clappers but the conversations that I have been having in the past few weeks (both at games and away from BP) people (from all walks of life - not just on social media) ARE talking about the lack of entertainment and wanting rid of RS and having a change in the boardroom.

Don't apologise. Anyway it's only partly wrong because the first two of your points are encompassed in my point about lack of success on the pitch. You are as likely to mix in circles which broadly agree with your opinion as I am to mix with people who broadly agree with mine. I'm talking about people engaging me in conversation because of my role with the Trust not particularly friends. It would greatly assist in debate if the term "happy clappers" for someone who doesn't share in the dystopian view about the club could be dispensed with but there we go.  

Quoted from grimsby pete

I agree with what you are saying Ginny.

A few months back I was going on and on about not getting my lifetime membership card from the Trust,

I just wanted in my wallet as I travel round Suffolk,

Now I am not bothered if they send me it or not.

Very poor Trust  :B

Which is a great shame Pete as you have now ruined the surprise.

John Fenty was going to present you with it when you are having Christmas dinner with him  ;)

Quoted from Mariner Ronnie

Where’s your full stop?

I haven't finished the sentence yet. The full stop would have come after 'you thick twit'.

You misspelt "twit" surely?

Quoted from Ipswin

I haven't finished the sentence yet. The full stop would have come after 'you thick twit'.

Where’s your comma?

Quoted from barralad

Don't apologise. Anyway it's only partly wrong because the first two of your points are encompassed in my point about lack of success on the pitch. You are as likely to mix in circles which broadly agree with your opinion as I am to mix with people who broadly agree with mine. I'm talking about people engaging me in conversation because of my role with the Trust not particularly friends. It would greatly assist in debate if the term "happy clappers" for someone who doesn't share in the dystopian view about the club could be dispensed with but there we go.  

Away from the terminology I have always been interested to understand if the club use the Trust as a consultative body away from any board meetings? e.g.lets say away at Lincoln this season we get an allocation of 400 tickets does the Trust get asked it's view on how the ticketing would work?    

Quoted from bax

Barralad's comments echo what I could say. Historically, whenever people are given the chance to affect change they haven't taken it. The Fishy is only a snapshot of a few supporters, it's not the voice of a majority. In the last two weeks I've had one private message and one email about the future of the Trust and/or the club. That's two people. We had about 20 at the AGM and a similar number at the open meeting.

We've already committed to surveying all fans and finding out what people want the Trust to do. You can go to the fans forum next week, watch it on YouTube or listen on RH. Get involved. You can't and won't get change from moaning on here. I'll be the Trust rep on the panel so ask away.

I don't know where you go after the games but if you pop in the Cons or Blundell you will get a clear vision of what the fans think.
Six of us go to the game and I'm the only one on the fishy. Out of the six we all want Slade out (never wanted him in the first place) and five want Fenty out.
Five are agreed that no matter what Fenty will do just what he wants to do and that's where the apathy comes from with the fans.

Cod Almighty diary today:

“So to show the club really is open, that it wants a good dialogue with its most committed supporters, and to remove all scope for cynicism about the fans' forum, let me suggest this.

Set up a public forum in which people can post their questions in advance to be read by all. Publish criteria showing any kinds of question that cannot be raised. Have a neutral moderator apply those criteria to filter out any unacceptable questions. Add voting buttons to allow readers to prioritise the questions we most want answered. Then use the votes to help decide which questions are heard next Tuesday. The panel will have time to prepare considered answers and those attending will have time to consider follow-up questions. The club, in short, would be seen to be open and transparent.  

It is not the keyboard warriors the club needs to worry about. It is the 300 or so fans who, after watching the 0-0 draw with Cambridge, decided not to bother last Saturday.”

http://www.codalmighty.com/site/ca.php?article=6506

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Away from the terminology I have always been interested to understand if the club use the Trust as a consultative body away from any board meetings? e.g.lets say away at Lincoln this season we get an allocation of 400 tickets does the Trust get asked it's view on how the ticketing would work?    

If we only get 400 tickets for Lincoln I'll be chaining myself to the door of the big church in protest.
Seriously though cast your mind back to the Doncaster away last year bunfight. The decisions on tickets are made by the office staff not the club board. We hold regular meetings with the office people and strong representations were made about the decisions on ticketing for that match. I guess the proof of the pudding is in the eating but I believe it is significant that the club haven't adopted that policy since. It would be unfair of me not to say though that there is considerable hassle attached to selling tickets on behalf of another club and especially for local derbies but we (including me) can forget what an advantage it is that we can simply roll up to B.P. to get a ticket rather than deal with another club's idiosyncracys...remember Wembley tickets/booking fees etc.?

Quoted from barralad

If we only get 400 tickets for Lincoln I'll be chaining myself to the door of the big church in protest.
Seriously though cast your mind back to the Doncaster away last year bunfight. The decisions on tickets are made by the office staff not the club board. We hold regular meetings with the office people and strong representations were made about the decisions on ticketing for that match. I guess the proof of the pudding is in the eating but I believe it is significant that the club haven't adopted that policy since. It would be unfair of me not to say though that there is considerable hassle attached to selling tickets on behalf of another club and especially for local derbies but we (including me) can forget what an advantage it is that we can simply roll up to B.P. to get a ticket rather than deal with another club's idiosyncracys...remember Wembley tickets/booking fees etc.?

Cheers for the detailed, I guess that wasn't a great example I gave so to simplify do the Trust get consulted on board/exec level decisions? Apologies if this has been covered does the board rep also get a vote on board motions?

Quoted from gtfc98

Jesus Pete you really are flipping boring.

Well has he got it or not would be the question that determines whether he's got valid point.

Quoted from barralad

Don't apologise. Anyway it's only partly wrong because the first two of your points are encompassed in my point about lack of success on the pitch. You are as likely to mix in circles which broadly agree with your opinion as I am to mix with people who broadly agree with mine. I'm talking about people engaging me in conversation because of my role with the Trust not particularly friends. It would greatly assist in debate if the term "happy clappers" for someone who doesn't share in the dystopian view about the club could be dispensed with but there we go.  

There are people on here whose views on most other issues I can't stand (nor they mine) but we agree on Fenty.

I speak to people at games who I've got little in common with other than the fact they're Town fans, but most think enough is enough.

I think the term 'happy clappers' can be consigned to the dustbin at the same time as 'toxic' and 'keyboard warriors'. The fact people are cynical about the forum is largely to do with the latest outpourings from Fenty. He could have quite easily set the record straight on those questions instead of stirring up more bad feeling with ill-judged comments.

“The fact people are cynical about the forum is largely to do with the latest outpourings from Fenty”

I am not sure I get that logic, are you suggesting if JF keeps his trap shut everyone will be happy?

Not sure how he can be blamed for people getting p1ssed off with the same old regurgitated arguments, unfounded attacks and unrealistic solutions on a message board.

Jesus I hope we score tonight 🙏

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Cheers for the detailed, I guess that wasn't a great example I gave so to simplify do the Trust get consulted on board/exec level decisions? Apologies if this has been covered does the board rep also get a vote on board motions?

I should apologise. I got a bit carried away there!

The concise answer is Yes.

When GTFC offered the Trust a place on the Board it was a "full" place with all the associated voting rights. I hope that answers your questions. Personally speaking I find our relationship with the office staff to be of more value. We are listened to at a day to day level and it is the decisions made by Ian and the staff that tend to affect fans more directly.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

I am not sure I get that logic, are you suggesting if JF keeps his trap shut everyone will be happy?

I'd love to try it as an experiment!

Quoted from mariner91

The apathy from long term and previously passionate supporters is extremely concerning. Do these people who feel that way think that a regime change could bring the spark back? Purely hypothetical but I'm interested because if not then the long term future of the club is not good.

One individual's opinion I know but I'm going tonight because my two lads want to go and we've got season tickets - I wouldn't be going out of my own choice.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

There are people on here whose views on most other issues I can't stand (nor they mine) but we agree on Fenty.

I speak to people at games who I've got little in common with other than the fact they're Town fans, but most think enough is enough.

I think the term 'happy clappers' can be consigned to the dustbin at the same time as 'toxic' and 'keyboard warriors'. The fact people are cynical about the forum is largely to do with the latest outpourings from Fenty. He could have quite easily set the record straight on those questions instead of stirring up more bad feeling with ill-judged comments.

I talk to a lot of people who are absolutely bewildered as to why I stick up for the Fishy. It has a dreadful reputation amongst a sizeable chunk of the fanbase.  To people like us it is important but I sometimes think we are in a bubble. I daren't even look at the stats for how long I spend logged on here! If you think this reputation has been "gained" over the last few weeks then you can be Dr Townsend's first patient in "Fishies Anonymous" and work to wean ourselves out of the bubble and back into the real world. Together we can do it...
Toxic is one of those in vogue sayings. I used it because it was the title of the thread. Needless to say I didn't start the thread.
I don't particularly like the term "keyboard warrior" and try not to use it.
I am delighted to say though that purely by chance I've spoken to two regular posters on here today in person (within 30 minutes of each other in Town) and they are both going to attend next Tuesday. If they are as prepared as they appear to be then we are in for a very good night.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Well has he got it or not would be the question that determines whether he's got valid point.

Well at the risk of prolonging even further this issue I can answer that. No he hasn't but neither have we reached the deadline that I offered him in a P.M. I sent him some time ago.

Quoted from RoboCod

I'd love to try it as an experiment!

Less than 24 hours after I bemoan the loss of humour on the Fishy and along comes Robo Cop. Brilliant response!

Quoted from HertsGTFC

“The fact people are cynical about the forum is largely to do with the latest outpourings from Fenty”

I am not sure I get that logic, are you suggesting if JF keeps his trap shut everyone will be happy?

Not sure how he can be blamed for people getting p1ssed off with the same old regurgitated arguments, unfounded attacks and unrealistic solutions on a message board.

Jesus I hope we score tonight 🙏

What I'm saying is if he didn't come on here with aggressive statements like last Friday, and simply answered questions people'd be less cynical about the forum. If he'd simply answered Pete's questions when he invited him to contact him instead of being rude. If he'd spoken up about Bragate when all and sundry were asking the club to say something. If instead of lecturing other people (remember the think 3 times before you post video) he followed his own advice, things might be a lot calmer.

So no, I'm not asking him to keep his trap shut.

If you want to point out the regurgitated arguments and unfounded attacks go ahead. Unrealistic solutions - well isn't a message board like this for discussing ideas, good bad or indifferent, or can we only discuss those approved by certain people?

I too hope we score tonight, but if we win 6-0 it will only paper over the cracks in the relationship between fans and the club.

Quoted from barralad

When GTFC offered the Trust a place on the Board it was a "full" place with all the associated voting rights. I hope that answers your questions. Personally speaking I find our relationship with the office staff to be of more value.  

Shouldn't this be other way around? I know you said its your personal opinion but surely the Trust should be getting more value out of the position that cost them all those shares and 30k a year! Otherwise, what's the point?

Quoted from pizzzza

Shouldn't this be other way around? I know you said its your personal opinion but surely the Trust should be getting more value out of the position that cost them all those shares and 30k a year! Otherwise, what's the point?

Are we at cross-purposes here? What more can you legitimately get than full representation, a vote and inclusivity in all decision making?

Quoted from barralad

Are we at cross-purposes here? What more can you legitimately get than full representation, a vote and inclusivity in all decision making?

I was referring to you saying that you find more value in the relationship with the office staff than from the seat on the board. I thought that somewhat strange.

Quoted from pizzzza

I was referring to you saying that you find more value in the relationship with the office staff than from the seat on the board. I thought that somewhat strange.

Probably fill his flask.

Quoted from pizzzza

I was referring to you saying that you find more value in the relationship with the office staff than from the seat on the board. I thought that somewhat strange.

Oh I see. Apologies. It was me who misread it. My opinion is based solely really on the fact that despite my profile on here I'm strictly low level/backroom staff. I see the GTFC Board as having an important role strategically but the day to day stuff is what affects ordinary fans...I'm sure my Trust Board colleagues are more likely to have your view.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

“The fact people are cynical about the forum is largely to do with the latest outpourings from Fenty”

I am not sure I get that logic, are you suggesting if JF keeps his trap shut everyone will be happy?

Not sure how he can be blamed for people getting p1ssed off with the same old regurgitated arguments, unfounded attacks and unrealistic solutions on a message board.

Jesus I hope we score tonight 🙏

Good job the Civil Rights movement regurgitated their same old arguments..

Quoted from barralad

Oh I see. Apologies. It was me who misread it. My opinion is based solely really on the fact that despite my profile on here I'm strictly low level/backroom staff. I see the GTFC Board as having an important role strategically but the day to day stuff is what affects ordinary fans...I'm sure my Trust Board colleagues are more likely to have your view.

So only extraordinary fans are concerned with what goes on in the boardroom?