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Sunderland don't mess about.

Quoted from Sky News

Michael Beale has parted company with Sunderland after just eight weeks in charge.

Beale oversaw just four wins in 12 games after succeeding Tony Mowbray.

The former QPR and Rangers boss' final game in charge was the 2-1 defeat to Birmingham on Saturday.

Source: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13075643/michael-beale-manager-leaves-sunderland-after-just-eight-weeks-in-charge

4 wins from 12 games is a disgrace (and precisely double Artell's record).

Quoted from Nelly GTFC

Sunderland don't mess about.
Source: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13075643/michael-beale-manager-leaves-sunderland-after-just-eight-weeks-in-charge

I hope it's reported in the Guardian so Jason can read it, it could give an idea of what to do with Artell.

Quoted from DB

I hope it's reported in the Guardian so Jason can read it, it could give an idea of what to do with Artell.

Very bored by these cheap childish digs. The newspaper our owner chooses to write for has absolutely no bearing on his ability to run a football club.

I saw on the highlights he subbed a player and as he was passing Beale to sit on the bench he held out his hand to shake Beale's hand and Beale just blanked him.

I bet that player is laughing his whatsits off now.

We should never have appointed Beale but I'd have given him a little longer before sacking him. Unlike Artell Beale had nothing concrete on his c.v. to suggest he could do the job. It's back to the caretakers till the season ends when it's to be hoped the owner can make a better choice.

Quoted from Vance Warner

Very bored by these cheap childish digs. The newspaper our owner chooses to write for has absolutely no bearing on his ability to run a football club.

I believe at the end of each article he has it refers to him as being Chairman of Grimsby, so he draws the club and fans into each word he writes. Jason and Andrew have already admitted they had no knowledge of how to run a football club, so in their words, it is a learning curve for them.

One prime example was the dismissal of PH, whom they had contemplated doing it earlier because of data. When they did it they had no replacement lined up. We are now in a similar situation with Artell, but at a more serious time of the season, relegation to the NL. Sunderland have sacked their manager whose record was better than that of Artell.

We now come to The Fishy. Jason said on RH that he no longer takes notice of the comments on it. So we have The Fishy in meltdown because of Artell's tactics and a chairman who is not going to read it. The Fishy is also, in my opinion, the premier fans site for Mariner supporters and Jason chooses to ignore it.

He then puts out a statement on X, not that all fans have X, stating that we should all dig in. To me a childish statement as he forgets that we have dug in for nearly 20 years. If he had chosen to read comments in The Fishy he probably would have sacked Artell by now.

Finally, if you think I am anti JS & AP, I am not. I am supportive of them but on this occasion, they are very naive, when it comes to footballing matters. So when putting in my post about the Sunderland news it was not childish nor a dig but a logical sensible post given the above.

Quoted from DB

I believe at the end of each article he has it refers to him as being Chairman of Grimsby, so he draws the club and fans into each word he writes. Jason and Andrew have already admitted they had no knowledge of how to run a football club, so in their words, it is a learning curve for them.

One prime example was the dismissal of PH, whom they had contemplated doing it earlier because of data. When they did it they had no replacement lined up. We are now in a similar situation with Artell, but at a more serious time of the season, relegation to the NL. Sunderland have sacked their manager whose record was better than that of Artell.

We now come to The Fishy. Jason said on RH that he no longer takes notice of the comments on it. So we have The Fishy in meltdown because of Artell's tactics and a chairman who is not going to read it. The Fishy is also, in my opinion, the premier fans site for Mariner supporters and Jason chooses to ignore it.

He then puts out a statement on X, not that all fans have X, stating that we should all dig in. To me a childish statement as he forgets that we have dug in for nearly 20 years. If he had chosen to read comments in The Fishy he probably would have sacked Artell by now.

Finally, if you think I am anti JS & AP, I am not. I am supportive of them but on this occasion, they are very naive, when it comes to footballing matters. So when putting in my post about the Sunderland news it was not childish nor a dig but a logical sensible post given the above.

So what do you know about running a football club to be able to give them such sage advice?

Quoted from DB

I believe at the end of each article he has it refers to him as being Chairman of Grimsby, so he draws the club and fans into each word he writes. Jason and Andrew have already admitted they had no knowledge of how to run a football club, so in their words, it is a learning curve for them.

One prime example was the dismissal of PH, whom they had contemplated doing it earlier because of data. When they did it they had no replacement lined up. We are now in a similar situation with Artell, but at a more serious time of the season, relegation to the NL. Sunderland have sacked their manager whose record was better than that of Artell.

We now come to The Fishy. Jason said on RH that he no longer takes notice of the comments on it. So we have The Fishy in meltdown because of Artell's tactics and a chairman who is not going to read it. The Fishy is also, in my opinion, the premier fans site for Mariner supporters and Jason chooses to ignore it.

He then puts out a statement on X, not that all fans have X, stating that we should all dig in. To me a childish statement as he forgets that we have dug in for nearly 20 years. If he had chosen to read comments in The Fishy he probably would have sacked Artell by now.

Finally, if you think I am anti JS & AP, I am not. I am supportive of them but on this occasion, they are very naive, when it comes to footballing matters. So when putting in my post about the Sunderland news it was not childish nor a dig but a logical sensible post given the above.

None of which explains why you think him writing for the Guardian is a problem so worthy of comment that it is raised on a thread about another club. There’s also a big difference between writing a tweet and taking feedback from the fishy. We’ve had a chairman who logged on the fishy after a glass of red and it certainly didn’t help his decision making.

Quoted from Nelly GTFC

Sunderland don't mess about.
Source: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13075643/michael-beale-manager-leaves-sunderland-after-just-eight-weeks-in-charge

He was given a 2 and a half year contract the same as Dave Artell but Sunderland are obviously a much more wealthy club than we are and that is the only reason we still have Dave Artell as our manager, the owners cannot afford to pay him off if they sack him.

Quoted from MarinerMal

So what do you know about running a football club to be able to give them such sage advice?

Was DB giving advice, I read it as what has happened.

I know a few Sunderland fans, they’re still astounded the previous manager was sacked…

Quoted from Spurn boy

He was given a 2 and a half year contract the same as Dave Artell but Sunderland are obviously a much more wealthy club than we are and that is the only reason we still have Dave Artell as our manager, the owners cannot afford to pay him off if they sack him.

We might be a lot wealthier than you but our owner doesn't like spending his money or ours. I'd assume there were clauses in Beale's contract meaning he might get half a year's pay but not the other two.

Beale should never have been appointed but having been it is ridiculous to judge him on twelve matches. But our owner and Sporting Director have been taking a bit of flak recently so what better than to dump an unpopular head-coach.

David Artell is a very different man in a very different situation.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Was DB giving advice, I read it as what has happened.

Exactly. DB is not childish nor does he suggest that writing in The Guardian is a 'problem'. There is an issue, however, in that JS has sometimes conflated comments on The Fishy as 'social media'. It is much more structured and wide ranging than 'X', Facebook or podcasts. The owner's tweet does not speak to me or many other older fans.

Try not to be so easily triggered by a sentence that had the name of your favourite newspaper Vance.

Carry on with your contributions DB!

Quoted from Croxton

Exactly. DB is not childish nor does he suggest that writing in The Guardian is a 'problem'. There is an issue, however, in that JS has sometimes conflated comments on The Fishy as 'social media'. It is much more structured and wide ranging than 'X', Facebook or podcasts. The owner's tweet does not speak to me or many other older fans.

Try not to be so easily triggered by a sentence that had the name of your favourite newspaper Vance.

Carry on with your contributions DB!

If writing in the Guardian is not being portrayed as a problem why is it being raised in a thread about Sunderland sacking their manager?

Quoted from Vance Warner

If writing in the Guardian is not being portrayed as a problem why is it being raised in a thread about Sunderland sacking their manager?

I dont care if he writes for the The Guardian, Times, Mail on Sunday or the sodding Dandy and Beano, the fact he is writing articles in the press as Chairman of the football club comes across as a Vanity Project.

Quoted from Azimuth

I dont care if he writes for the The Guardian, Times, Mail on Sunday or the sodding Dandy and Beano, the fact he is writing articles in the press as Chairman of the football club comes across as a Vanity Project.

If I were a Guardian reading supporter of another EFL club, I’d be wondering why the chairman of the club placed 90th in the league was getting so much airtime, as it were.

Quoted from Azimuth

I dont care if he writes for the The Guardian, Times, Mail on Sunday or the sodding Dandy and Beano, the fact he is writing articles in the press as Chairman of the football club comes across as a Vanity Project.

If he wrote in the Dandy I'd read it.

Quoted from Azimuth

I dont care if he writes for the The Guardian, Times, Mail on Sunday or the sodding Dandy and Beano, the fact he is writing articles in the press as Chairman of the football club comes across as a Vanity Project.

Maybe it is a vanity project but so what? The last time I heard vanity project mentioned in relation to a GTFC chairman we were talking about pie in the sky stadiums which cost us a fortune in feasibility studies. At worst this is harmless and at best it is giving the club extra publicity. Fair enough to criticise JS for a managerial appointment but complaining about him writing for the Guardian comes across as petty when there are much bigger issues at stake.

Quoted from Vance Warner

Maybe it is a vanity project but so what? The last time I heard vanity project mentioned in relation to a GTFC chairman we were talking about pie in the sky stadiums which cost us a fortune in feasibility studies. At worst this is harmless and at best it is giving the club extra publicity. Fair enough to criticise JS for a managerial appointment but complaining about him writing for the Guardian comes across as petty when there are much bigger issues at stake.

The counter argument to that is that if there’s much bigger issues at stake, why is he writing articles for the Guardian? Totally depends on your opinion and it’s all good when things are going great - which to a certain extent they have.

Local kid not from a wealthy background gets himself a good education, has success in business and is later commissioned to write articles for a national newspaper. Apparently, according to some on here, he should know his place.

I suspect an hour or two spent writing an article for a newspaper and once every month or two won't materially affect his ability to make decisions about GTFC, or to do his day job, either.

That John Askey at Hartlepool was sacked having won only 3 of their previous 19 league matches, even though he had a contract until 2026.

Since Kevin Phillips took over as manager, Hartlepool have won 4, lost 1 with an 80% win rate!

Quoted from Nelly GTFC

That John Askey at Hartlepool was sacked having won only 3 of their previous 19 league matches, even though he had a contract until 2026.

Since Kevin Phillips took over as manager, Hartlepool have won 4, lost 1 with an 80% win rate!

Had missed that Phillips had gone there. Only 74 games in management and most of them below National League level, but a 60% overall win rate is still mightily impressive.