Subs. Eastwood, Green, Rodgers, Eisa, Khan, Clifton, Hunt

Waterfall in to try and combat their big striker Smith I guess

looking for 3 points Town UTM

We really need a win today come on Town

Whichever way you look at today's game it's a 6 pointer. We need to win this to put some pints between us and the bottom of the league.

IF results went for us today, we could potentially jump up to about 16th, which would then put us within 3 points of the top half of the table. Everything to play for boys

If we don’t win today it would mean we had failed to beat the bottom two, a sign that we are in dire trouble.

However, I think we will win today and comfortably. It’s a shame that Danny Rose is suspended, but I think that with Pike and Wilson we have more than enough firepower to see off Sutton.

Going for a 3-0 win today

Has anybody seen Artell plus one other at the match?

Not again. We attack the Pontoon again, but we won against Morcambe

Quoted from DB

Not again. We attack the Pontoon again, but we won against Morcambe

Usually we attack Osmond 1st half, but it must be by agreement surely?

GET IN PYKE!!! Had a small heart attack when it got caught under his foot

Get the fook innnn

Quoted from GrimPol

Usually we attack Osmond 1st half, but it must be by agreement surely?

Not sure what agreement you mean, but the team that wins the toss gets to choose ends or to kick off.

Quoted from GrimPol

Usually we attack Osmond 1st half, but it must be by agreement surely?

If you don't win the coin toss, you pick the you want to attack

Pyke  YESssssssssssssss

Their defending is as bad as ours, get in.

Pyke is transformed.

good move wasn't it?
Stephen Wearne scores again for Gateshead and Rhys Browne puts Woking 1 up

Was a bit nervous prior to that goal. Town a bit sluggish.

Nice one! and to think that Pyke has scored more goals so far this season for Town than he did in 3 years for Shrewsbury. In fact his record on wiki says he had only scored 9 goals in his pre-Town career. Good work Rekeil 👍

Anyone else noticed Glennon seems to be doing that Man City thing where one of the wing backs comes inside as a Midfielder

Holohans passing has been shocking today

Quoted from sonofmadeleymariner

If you don't win the coin toss, you pick the you want to attack

That is wrong, the team that wins the toss can choose which way to play, OR  choose to kick off.  

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-8---the-start-and-restart-of-play

Defence is shocking again

We've been riding our luck for a few minutes now.

Definitely not a classic, Holohan has been terrible

Need to take Gav off at HT.  Not a great day at the office.

Why wasn't that a foul on Wilson, absolutely b;patent in front of the ref

Wilson unlucky there, the balls just too close to him to make proper contact with it

FFS!

Yeah get Gav off, he heads the ball and then just stands still and allows a runner to go through. Pathetic

FFS defence falls apart again, unmarked man in space

Poor goalkeeping as well

That is shocking keeping.

Down the middle again and 1  1

We are excrement  . I’d rather have decent players than less roof supports

F*ck’s sake….same old sh1t. Carved through the middle with absolutely insufficient pressure on the ball! Not a good first half performance but that’s the crowning turd on that.

Cartwright for some reason did a Shakin' Stevens impression. Terrible goal to concede.  

Gav off and Green on at half time. We need some bite in the middle.

Holohan is having a total mare and that's junk from Cartwright. Should have been a simple save but he's wrongly anticipated the shot going to his right and fallen out of the way. If our central three midfielders could string a few passes together we'd be slaughtering these.

That goal been coming for the last 15 minutes.

Sutton deserve to be level and are very much in this game.

Could go either way and we need to up it second half. Looking creaky at the back again.

Oopsie

Two shite teams playing shite. We should have had a couple, but so should they. Shambolic goal to concede with 30 seconds of the half to play.

Will we ever keep a clean sheet again??

Important 45 coming up. We have been better in the second half recently and by Christ we need to be.

WTF do our defensive coaches do?

I’d swap Holohan for Hunt and Andrews for Clifton. Several others need to get in the game.

Not to worry, we'll put em to the sword 2nd half

We need to score at least 3 goals to be certain of a win these days it seems.

Quoted from RonMariner

WTF do our defensive coaches do?

Not entirely sure you can pin that goal on the defence or their coaching. Holohan's given the ball away in midfield when we'd already committed players forward, and then although it's put us on the back foot the defenders have limited Smith to an effort from distance which should have been a comfortable save. Like many of our goals conceded this season it's come from individual mistakes and giving the ball away in dangerous areas when most of the rest of the team are further up the pitch.

Holohan has been shocking. Failing with passes that I think I could still make, even at my ripe age.

We just look so indecisive at the back and never look capable of keeping a clean sheet against anybody.

There won’t be any hiding places tonight. We’re in trouble and we are playing the bottom team at home. They have 1 point away from home all season and no win since February.  We need to win. As usual, there are 5 or 6 players who need to raise their standards significantly.

Gav still on for the 2nd half, not his day today and needed replacing.

Harry and Otis on for me, need more energy about the pitch. They're winning two many second balls

Change it and take your pick - Gav, Andrews, AG, Pyke, Wilson….

What a terrible game.

Second half performance so far worse than the first

All this , we’ve got decent players is a loud of crap . We a so so poor . This team has relegation written all over it

Too much sideways and backwards passing.  Town layers too close to each other or getting in each other's way.  Resorting to high balls which is their bread and butter.

Jesus get Gav off.

This Gav performance would be terrible on a Sunday morning at Bradley Pitches

This is awful, get Gav off and Hunt on

Gav can't complete a pass, and Hunt sits on the bench. Don't understand...

Please get Holohan off and get either Eisa or Khan on for Arthur

It is weird. Not sure why we didn't start with Green. He's not the best passer, but defensively he's crucial and he's been involved in goals. One of the first names on the team sheet for me.

We're not helping ourselves with poor decisions and suddenly reverting back to sideways passing. We keep putting ourselves under unnecessary pressure  

It's a good job Sutton are rubbish, a half decent team would destroy us today.

Good job we aren't playing anyone decent again.

Quoted from AncientExiledMariner

It is weird. Not sure why we didn't start with Green. He's not the best passer, but defensively he's crucial and he's been involved in goals. One of the first names on the team sheet for me.

Especially since we're not against a footballing team who might pass the ball around him

What a save Cartwright! Juat made himself as big as possible

Awful . Trust me , we are going down , again

How did their player miss that, shocking defending.

This is getting painful, struggling to attack and can't defend.All Sutton.

How on earth they haven't scored there second is beyond me Town have certainly stepped off the gas 2nd half

Holohan off at last, I'm generally a support of him but not today.

Their guy should have buried that x2.
At the start of the season I said I saw nothing in this team to excite me.
A few games later I said I thought we were a poor team.
A few more games and I said we were a very poor team.
Time for a revision.
We are worse than my blind optimism. We are actually excrement and in dire trouble unless we make the most of the January transfer window. 😔

Sutton not won away for nearly a year and better than us.
Hurst left us with another relegation team and JS sanctioned signing these lightweights.

I hope the new manager forms different decisions about players that can't get a game and those that do. The disconnect between what i believe is our strongest eleven compared to PH, SP and BD is huge..

Board need to appoint someone who knows what they're doing now or we are gone. Forget crying over having to fire a manager in the Guardian - less empathy and emoting and more action please

Sutton the better side. Feel a late sickener coming on.

Quoted from Yoda

Sutton not won away for nearly a year and better than us.
Hurst left us with another relegation team and JS sanctioned signing these lightweights.

I seem to recall that JS said that PH looked after the playing side and DC looked after the non-playing side.

This is a terrible performance

If you asked a neutral which of these two teams was bottom of the entire football league they wouldn't have a clue.

Quoted from Yarborough Vaults

Board need to appoint someone who knows what they're doing now or we are gone. Forget crying over having to fire a manager in the Guardian - less empathy and emoting and more action please

What a ridiculous comment.

Do you really think writing a little article for a newspaper has delayed the process of appointing a new manager?

Do you think it was a choice one day of, do I go out and interview some potential managers or shall I write this article instead? And even if it was, do you honestly think he'd delay recruiting a manager to do that?

What Sutton are offering is bare minimum. 100% effort and commitment. We are not operating at 70% . Like I said we are going down with this lot

0 urgency to even try and win this, seems like we're satisfied with a point. Taking our time over everything

Still no Green. Is he injured? Are BD and SP seeing in Hunt what Hurst saw? I'm curious what is going on in training.

Absolute f***ing rubbish

Now I am worried!

Terrible, that is Suttons 2nd away point this season.

Dreadful.

Looks like we are the worst team in the division.

The new manager has a hell of a task to keep us up.

Sadly the final whistle brought relief.  Shouldn't be thinking that at home to the bottom side.

Another weekend spoiled by the men in black and white.

flipping useless against the bottom side who should and would have won if they took their gilt edged chances.
Dreadful, simply dreadful.
If this is what data gets you then you can stick your numbers where the sun don't shine. 😡

Two draws against the bottom two total garbage. We need a new manager ASAP

Quoted from Tommy

What a ridiculous comment.

Do you really think writing a little article for a newspaper has delayed the process of appointing a new manager?

Do you think it was a choice one day of, do I go out and interview some potential managers or shall I write this article instead? And even if it was, do you honestly think he'd delay recruiting a manager to do that?

Weird interpretation. We need action now after that shambles.

No more pearl clutching in newspapers while the ship is sinking please.

Galling that after all that money spent and a full pre season, its pretty clear that we need a full rebuild in Jan whoever comes in.

Dont think for one minute a new manager will get much more out of this set of players  . Its going to take a very carefull jan window

Rod Jane and Freddie really got to pull a rabbit out the hat to stop this rot.

Zippy, George and Bungle would be a better midfield trio.

We look like relegation candidates. The new manager better persuade some decent defenders midfield players and a competent goalkeeper to join in January or we are sunk.

Quoted from Yarborough Vaults

Weird interpretation. We need action now after that shambles.

No more pearl clutching in newspapers while the ship is sinking please.

Weird interpretation. You appear to have completely ignored what Tommy posted.

We do require a new manager. JS knocking out a short, monthly newspaper article is not preventing that from happening.

Something has got to be done bloody quick. We are absolutely dire. I cannot name one player who played well today. We are shite from top to bottom. Whoever we get as manager will need to be a miracle worker to pull our season round with this shower of shite i

Quoted from male private Nale

Rod Jane and Freddie really got to pull a rabbit out the hat to stop this rot.

Zippy, George and Bungle would be a better midfield trio.

Always the Rainbow analogies with you. Might be time to try watching a new TV show? There’s all sorts out there you know.

We are down.

JS should start writing his column in the DM or Daily Telegraph. No one would mention it then.

Does Data factor in character, desire , determination, hunger ? Stuff your modern shite up your bottom if it does

Quoted from Yoda

We are down.

A bit negative with 27 games to go, a new manager and a transfer window. I'm not as positive as usual, after today's display, but I think we'll scrape through.

I feel physically sick to see us struggling at the shite end of the table again. What the intercourse is wrong with these players?????

Unfortunately for us fans we have so much experience in what a relegation team looks like and that looked like one. Massive job for the new manager.

Missed Rose. Not sure why Green wasn't playing. Turd.

Quoted from 140381

Always the Rainbow analogies with you. Might be time to try watching a new TV show? There’s all sorts out there you know.

Stop it, next you will be telling me the benefits of a beetroot sandwich, was speaking to the cleaner who had a nightmare getting the stains out the carpet after Friday's Fans Forum

Shocking performance from a group of players that seem to have lost the ability to create chances and know how to defend. Too many players with ability sat on the bench.

Pettit said no players in Jauary will come in until we have got rid of some. The fact is we are broke and some how have blown all the cup money on this that and the other with nothing to show for it...
Shame on them all...  

Woefully poor in midfield

Really disappointing. We are lucky that it has not damaged us as much as it could have done in terms of other results. The lower half of the division is poor and the top half is much, much better. No team just above us is pulling away and a couple of wins on the bounce would improve our position quite a bit, I would imagine.
They need to get a new manager in quickly while this situation is the case. If we contimue to throw away points then we will be marooned at the bottom and staring the dreaded Conference in the face yet again. I agree it is time for ACTION. We read that there are lots of ‘quality’ guys interested in the position of GTFC manager. So, why the hold up?

Quoted from aussiej

Pettit said no players in Jauary will come in until we have got rid of some. The fact is we are broke and some how have blown all the cup money on this that and the other with nothing to show for it...
Shame on them all...  

Precisely this, shame on the cranks that have come in and treat this club like a left wing vanity project, B-Corp, Diversity and wooing the Guardianistas meanwhile expecting the paying public to keep turning up to watch a turgid squad that has been assembled under their stewardship.

But there will be hell to pay should anyone call them out on Social Media.

Quoted from aussiej

Pettit said no players in Jauary will come in until we have got rid of some. The fact is we are broke and some how have blown all the cup money on this that and the other with nothing to show for it...
Shame on them all...  

I think come January JS & AP will have to dig into their pockets. Players with 3-year contracts won't be keen on moving, and neither will those on 2 year deals, unless they get the same wages (or more  ;D ;D ;D). Te new manager will have to put his foot on the gas from day1 and hit the club running.

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

Weird interpretation. You appear to have completely ignored what Tommy posted.

We do require a new manager. JS knocking out a short, monthly newspaper article is not preventing that from happening.

With respect it opens a window into JS's thinking process. I'm sure Polani Paradox helps him be an entrepreneur in the dating business, I'm not sure how it helped him in keeping an eye on PH on how he recruited players for this season. If you believe in just Data-Driven Recruitment, then we have what we had on show just now.
I actually thought that the team was OK, and just needed better guidance and a plan for every team we encountered. I think now the problem is much deeper than I first thought. The team are basically mis-fits that, whilst good players in their own right, cannot play together as a team. They would fit in as individuals in other teams, but not all in the same team.
Take Clifton as an example. Up and coming lad, with a great future ahead and yet struggling in this team.
We are so lucky we have some buffer points and not in the drop position. The new guy has some work on his plate.

Quoted from male private Nale

Precisely this, shame on the cranks that have come in and treat this club like a left wing vanity project, B-Corp, Diversity and wooing the Guardianistas meanwhile expecting the paying public to keep turning up to watch a turgid squad that has been assembled under their stewardship.

But there will be hell to pay should anyone call them out on Social Media.

intercourse me your name really is accurate, embarrassing conclusion. If they were happy watching that they wouldn't of sacked a manager... that costs them money btw.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Woefully poor in midfield

Glad somebody else knows the game , unreal how poor we are in there

Quoted from fishcake63

Glad somebody else knows the game , unreal how poor we are in there

We were crying out for someone to come on and pass the ball at pace so our more mobile forward line could make some runs. Instead we got Harry.

Quoted from LocalLadGTFC

intercourse me your name really is accurate, embarrassing conclusion. If they were happy watching that they wouldn't of sacked a manager... that costs them money btw.

The amount of people that get personal because my name is Richard, baffling.

Where did I say they were happy watching that ? The squad is shite, there is no money for any new manager, they blown their load on a left wing vanity project.

Quoted from male private Nale

The amount of people that get personal because my name is Richard, baffling.

Where did I say they were happy watching that ? The squad is shite, there is no money for any new manager, they blown their load on a left wing vanity project.

We haven't spent the whole budget, you can't do that in L2. You submit a budget at the start of the season which you are happy with, you can then add to that budget at any point as long as you stay within SMCP Calculation. You can lose as much as you like in transfer fees. We are quite a way under our SMCP calculation meaning there is significant movement in the budget for any new manager coming in.

Do I need to point out that it wasn't JS and AP who signed these players?

They have removed the guy who did sign them but couldn't get a tune out of them, so let's wait and see what a new manager can do with them and some January additions before we have them burnt at the stake. Their politics isn't relevant at all.

It was only a few weeks ago that Pyke was labelled as useless, and he's been one of our better players under the temporary management team.

Quoted from LocalLadGTFC

We haven't spent the whole budget, you can't do that in L2. You submit a budget at the start of the season which you are happy with, you can then add to that budget at any point as long as you stay within SMCP Calculation. You can lose as much as you like in transfer fees. We are quite a way under our SMCP calculation meaning there is significant movement in the budget for any new manager coming in.

Where did you learn "We haven't spent the whole budget" and "We are quite a way under our SMCP calculation", it would be interesting to follow that.

Quoted from hampshiremariner

Really disappointing. We are lucky that it has not damaged us as much as it could have done in terms of other results. The lower half of the division is poor and the top half is much, much better. No team just above us is pulling away and a couple of wins on the bounce would improve our position quite a bit, I would imagine.
They need to get a new manager in quickly while this situation is the case. If we contimue to throw away points then we will be marooned at the bottom and staring the dreaded Conference in the face yet again. I agree it is time for ACTION. We read that there are lots of ‘quality’ guys interested in the position of GTFC manager. So, why the hold up?

Apparently, Steve Morison has turned Grimby down today.                 https://insidefutbol.com/2023/11/25/former-cardiff-city-boss-turns-down-grimsby-town-job/627351/

Quoted from MuddyWaters

We were crying out for someone to come on and pass the ball at pace so our more mobile forward line could make some runs. Instead we got Harry.

Hunt our best passer but not popular to pass the ball to a team mate

Quoted from male private Nale

The amount of people that get personal because my name is Richard, baffling.

Where did I say they were happy watching that ? The squad is shite, there is no money for any new manager, they blown their load on a left wing vanity project.

Left wing vanity project?!?! WTF.  Are you ill?

Could be right  :)

Could be right  :)

Quoted from 140381

Always the Rainbow analogies with you. Might be time to try watching a new TV show? There’s all sorts out there you know.

Mary, Mungo and Midge?  Midge on the right of course.

I don't  dip on to the site to often, but sick to of hearing about this million pound cup dividend wasted.  I  have a couple of friends involved professionally offering services to the club,  they' re  take is the club raised  850k after tax from the cup run, and the club took 400k of this to do the structural alterations to the main stand roof and  posts. so all PH received was an additional 450k to budget;  sodomist all considering Nat. insurance and wages.  All they hear from the owners is SUSTAINABILITY  ,  so it sounds to me there's no dipping their hands in their pockets, so will have to wait and see what the new manager has,  but unless I'm hard of hearing, did Pettit not say on Friday's forum, no signings, without moving some players .    

Quoted from BS baffles brains

I don't  dip on to the site to often, but sick to of hearing about this million pound cup dividend wasted.  I  have a couple of friends involved professionally offering services to the club,  they' re  take is the club raised  850k after tax from the cup run, and the club took 400k of this to do the structural alterations to the main stand roof and  posts. so all PH received was an additional 450k to budget;  sodomist all considering Nat. insurance and wages.  All they hear from the owners is SUSTAINABILITY  ,  so it sounds to me there's no dipping their hands in their pockets, so will have to wait and see what the new manager has,  but unless I'm hard of hearing, did Pettit not say on Friday's forum, no signings, without moving some players .    

It could be very expensive if we get relegated, so they better hope they pick the right guy who can do something with this squad.

I don't personally think the squad is that bad, but we definitely need some signings. CB, and possibly CM as a minimum. Not doing so, would leave a very elaborate icing structure without the cake supporting it.

I bet a lot of teams would love an additional 450k to their playing budget.
And i bet they would be higher than us in the league.

Smith’s goal took a deflection off Waterfall. That was why Cartwright was wrong-footed.

Understandably, Glennon’s been told to get forward to use his attacking attributes.

Mullarkey has surely been told to play narrower when Glennon is forward. Our midfield has surely been told to cover for Glennon when he is up the pitch.

Why on earth then has Holohan just stood around after his header and let players run past him, Mullarkey has remained too wide, Maher gets drawn out as usual because our midfield is having an existential crisis, and somehow, a 2m lamppost is allowed time and space to shuffle forward to equalise.

It’s the same mistakes again. What is wrong with them?

Did their goal take a deflection? Didn't look to be the case from my angle. Are highlights up yet?

Quoted from Maringer

Did their goal take a deflection? Didn't look to be the case from my angle. Are highlights up yet?

Looks like it might have done. Holohan heads the ball backwards then stands and watches as the goal unfolds. Looks even worse on a second watch.

I thought it took a deflection.

But now I’m not too sure.

I don’t know if Waterfall gets close enough to actually touch it.

It’s a weird one because Cartwright’s movement suggests it took a deflection. But if you pause it when Smith takes the shot it looks like the ball is going towards the centre rather than to Cartwright’s right.

I don’t know now. Needs a snickometer.

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Quoted from ginnywings

Do I need to point out that it wasn't JS and AP who signed these players?

They have removed the guy who did sign them but couldn't get a tune out of them, so let's wait and see what a new manager can do with them and some January additions before we have them burnt at the stake. Their politics isn't relevant at all.

It was only a few weeks ago that Pyke was labelled as useless, and he's been one of our better players under the temporary management team.

When they took over they pointed lots of fingers at the old board for the players that we had. Seems fair that fingers get pointed at them for having this shower of shite and most of it is here next season too.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Looks like it might have done. Holohan heads the ball backwards then stands and watches as the goal unfolds. Looks even worse on a second watch.

When you watch Holohan he’s looking a bit lazy passes the ball (often sloppy) and then either stands still or starts walking.

When we’ve not got the ball his work ethic looks light, maybe the data thingy in his vest is proving me wrong but generally good midfield players keep moving with or without the ball.

I’ll get slaughtered for the above as I know he’s popular with a lot of the supporters. Again won’t be popular but if one has to go out for one to come in I think he’d be a consideration.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

When you watch Holohan he’s looking a bit lazy passes the ball (often sloppy) and then either stands still or starts walking.

When we’ve not got the ball his work ethic looks light, maybe the data thingy in his vest is proving me wrong but generally good midfield players keep moving with or without the ball.

I’ll get slaughtered for the above as I know he’s popular with a lot of the supporters. Again won’t be popular but if one has to go out for one to come in I think he’d be a consideration.

We all appreciate Gav but yesterday he seemed to spend most of the match with his hand up apologising to team mates, and even the crowd at one point. When he does make a mistake it really sets him back on his heels instead of trying to make amends.

I've rarely seen a player who is so up and down with his performances. He can have a really good influential game, be the main goal threat and then look like a competition winner in subsequent games.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

When you watch Holohan he’s looking a bit lazy passes the ball (often sloppy) and then either stands still or starts walking.

When we’ve not got the ball his work ethic looks light, maybe the data thingy in his vest is proving me wrong but generally good midfield players keep moving with or without the ball.

I’ll get slaughtered for the above as I know he’s popular with a lot of the supporters. Again won’t be popular but if one has to go out for one to come in I think he’d be a consideration.

I agree with you, it was a bad day for Gav. He was off most of the match for some reason and, to me, was to blame for the goal. There No9 was the man for Gav to mark, being nearest to him but he failed to track back with him, leaving him in open spaces. It's hard to tell from the vid if Waterfall deflect it or not, if he did you can excuse Cartwright, if it wasn't a deflection then it was poor goalkeeping.

When is the player rating going to be posted for this match? I need to give Holohan a 1!

Quoted from DB

I agree with you, it was a bad day for Gav. He was off most of the match for some reason and, to me, was to blame for the goal. There No9 was the man for Gav to mark, being nearest to him but he failed to track back with him, leaving him in open spaces. It's hard to tell from the vid if Waterfall deflect it or not, if he did you can excuse Cartwright, if it wasn't a deflection then it was poor goalkeeping.

It’s not a new thing though DB, to his credit he pops up with the odd goal, some again to his credit have been important ones as were “those” penalties in “that” game but he just doesn’t have the passing ability to play the role he was picked for yesterday.

Thought we played well in the first half ,Holoran had a poor game by his standards . Our goal came about through some good one touch football  but conceded a goal at the worst possible time .Onwards and upwards ,stick with the management team we have . If these two had started the season in charge with their present points per game ratio we would be in playoff contention.   U.T.M.

Quoted from ancientmariner54

Thought we played well in the first half ,Holoran had a poor game by his standards . Our goal came about through some good one touch football  but conceded a goal at the worst possible time .Onwards and upwards ,stick with the management team we have . If these two had started the season in charge with their present points per game ratio we would be in playoff contention.   U.T.M.

Lol, you just don't give up, do you?  There is not a chance in hell that those two will be managing GTFC any time soon.

Just hope there are two sides worse than us. Not sure who!

Quoted from pen penfras

When they took over they pointed lots of fingers at the old board for the players that we had. Seems fair that fingers get pointed at them for having this shower of shite and most of it is here next season too.

Shower of sh1te?

They aint that bad, just not performing to the levels they should be would be my take on it, but if you want to keep grinding that axe for the glory days of JF, carry on.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

When you watch Holohan he’s looking a bit lazy passes the ball (often sloppy) and then either stands still or starts walking.

When we’ve not got the ball his work ethic looks light, maybe the data thingy in his vest is proving me wrong but generally good midfield players keep moving with or without the ball.

I’ll get slaughtered for the above as I know he’s popular with a lot of the supporters. Again won’t be popular but if one has to go out for one to come in I think he’d be a consideration.

The goalkeeper copulated up here. Waterfall rightly showed him outside, and Cartwright from that distance should have had his near post. IMHO, even before that Holahan should have seen the space appear as the ball was attacked (by Maher?) and dropped into it. He kind of stopped running until it was too late and he bitched at Cartwright. Hurst usually said behind goals there was usually multiple mistakes, and that certainly was the case here.

Often, his body language sucks after he loses the ball. I've seen it multiple times this season, and it has cost us on multiple occassions. Some days he puts in a shift and works his balderdash off, but there is part of the temperament that is not good and when he's not on guard and doesn't catch himself, you often see that "ah intercourse it, not gonna make it anyway". It's painful because it's not like he's droppable, because we don't have much better options than him on the bench. With the state of our defence right now, we need Green and Clifton deep as cover, you'd probably want Conteh further forward, but we'll certainly need Holahan in rotation and to change matches. I'm one of the few who'd go with Clifton over Holahan, because he does not give up running and we really need that off the ball right now until the morale improves and standards have been set. Players have to know that if you give up running, or don't give your all, you'll be off the pitch and not starting.

I think one problem we have at the moment, is when someone isn't on it, we can do very little about it, and if you cannot punish that sort of behaviour, it keeps happening.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

When you watch Holohan he’s looking a bit lazy passes the ball (often sloppy) and then either stands still or starts walking.

When we’ve not got the ball his work ethic looks light, maybe the data thingy in his vest is proving me wrong but generally good midfield players keep moving with or without the ball.

I’ll get slaughtered for the above as I know he’s popular with a lot of the supporters. Again won’t be popular but if one has to go out for one to come in I think he’d be a consideration.

I've thought similarly watching him out of possession lately and yeah he certainly doesn't often quickly track back and reset his position when attacking moves break down. There have though been a number of occasions where we've gone on to quickly regain possession and his advanced position has been beneficial in the subsequent attack, so there is a trade off to his style of play. I can't say i'm a massive fan of it but I've held off on criticising him for it because I don't know if him remaining in those advanced positions is down to laziness or our tactics.

Quoted from Chrisblor

I've thought similarly watching him out of possession lately and yeah he certainly doesn't often quickly track back and reset his position when attacking moves break down. There have though been a number of occasions where we've gone on to quickly regain possession and his advanced position has been beneficial in the subsequent attack, so there is a trade off to his style of play. I can't say i'm a massive fan of it but I've held off on criticising him for it because I don't know if him remaining in those advanced positions is down to laziness or our tactics.

I think you have to earn your attacks. You defend as a team, and attack as a team. Some players justify being included solely for their attacking abilities. They are luxury players and they certainly help convert chances, but out of it and you're carrying them. IMHO if Holahan wants to be in the team, he's got to get the basic off the ball out of possession down first, then build on it with attacks if we earn it.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

We all appreciate Gav but yesterday he seemed to spend most of the match with his hand up apologising to team mates, and even the crowd at one point. When he does make a mistake it really sets him back on his heels instead of trying to make amends.

I've rarely seen a player who is so up and down with his performances. He can have a really good influential game, be the main goal threat and then look like a competition winner in subsequent games.

He’s a player who didn’t play his first game in the EFL until nearly 30 and is shortly to be 32 an age when midfielders start to run out of gas. His passing has always been inexplicably bad even when not under pressure. Short answer is we need better quality players if we are going to get anywhere. Same goes for at least half a dozen others who are in and out the side

After looking at the highlights, definitely no touch for their goal. It was just a bizarre piece of goalkeeping from Cartwright who thought the shot was going to his right, even though a shot in that direction would have had to go through Waterfall and there was a massive gap to his left. As others have mentioned, it was incredibly poor from Holohan as well. He just didn't even attempt to get back. Something odd going on with him yesterday as he was so terribly poor. Must have been about his worst performance for us. I'm normally happy enough to see him in the starting line-up as well.

Quoted from GrimRob

Just hope there are two sides worse than us. Not sure who!

If there is 2 teams worse than us  I haven't seen them yet