Give glennon a run on the wing, rose and wilson would benefit greatly from the service he provides. Also we need to move the ball faster up the pitch, even against a less fit side like Slough we dawdled about waiting for them to get back behind the ball before we passed it a couple of times, got in trouble through a poor touch or excrement pass and lumped it to nobody.

I wonder why the temporary management duo didn't make changed in personnel and tactics for the Slough game? Given Stockwood had suggested they could be in the running if things went well, they fell at the first hurdle using the team and tactics Hurst would have used. Perhaps they thought they would just up their game.

We clearly need new ideas and quick if this is the mindset running through the coaching staff.

Managers will not be here for too long. If they are very good they will get poached  or get the sack, so I hope the board don't bore applicants to death asking their views on everything but football management.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I wonder why the temporary management duo didn't make changed in personnel and tactics for the Slough game? Given Stockwood had suggested they could be in the running if things went well, they fell at the first hurdle using the team and tactics Hurst would have used. Perhaps they thought they would just up their game.

We clearly need new ideas and quick if this is the mindset running through the coaching staff.

Managers will not be here for too long. If they are very good they will get poached  or get the sack, so I hope the board don't bore applicants to death asking their views on everything but football management.

Both Davies and Rose mentioned after the game that they have made some changes to the way we play and it will take a bit of time.

Obviously, it wasn't apparent yesterday what they have changed because of the way the game played out.

Maybe it will become clearer in time.

At least they subbed two players at half time..

Based on what we saw yesterday, albeit on the bet365 video stream, think the line up should be

Cartwright

Effete…..Rogers…..Maher…..Amos

Clifton….Green…..Konteh…..Glennon

              Rose…….Wilson

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

Based on what we saw yesterday, albeit on the bet365 video stream, think the line up should be

Cartwright

Effete…..Rogers…..Maher…..Amos

Clifton….Green…..Konteh…..Glennon

              Rose…….Wilson

Khan for Clifton.
Clifton has done nothing this season. If he wasn't a local lad, people would be screaming for him to be dropped ages ago

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

Khan for Clifton.
Clifton has done nothing this season. If he wasn't a local lad, people would be screaming for him to be dropped ages ago

However when Clifton is not playing the lack of energy is even more obvious.

Quoted from ginnywings

Both Davies and Rose mentioned after the game that they have made some changes to the way we play and it will take a bit of time.

Obviously, it wasn't apparent yesterday what they have changed because of the way the game played out.

Maybe it will become clearer in time.

How many fans see beyond the glaringly obvious? Football is far more nuanced and complicated at the professional level, than most casual fans realise or will give it credit for.
I’m not saying we’re all simpletons who cannot see such detail-far from it. With the amount of in depth analysis, stats (sorry Lew) and books on the subject of tactics it’s never been easier to get to grips with this sort of thing but I do think it’s a factor!
It’s worth considering too that as with anything new,  a different approach takes time to implement because players will revert to their dominant habits under pressure which was evident yesterday.
Whether Pearson and Davies should or will get the chance and time to cement their ideas is a different argument.
Personally I’d like to see a permanent appointment made as soon as possible.

Lack of width but don’t do anything with it anyway when we have wingers on.

Glennon at LW:

+ Glennon is our best crosser
+ you don’t need to be able to beat your man to put in a great cross

- if Glennon receives the ball in a deeper position, what’s he going to do with the ball
- Glennon would receive the ball with his back to goal more
- Sometimes playing a LB at LW ends up with the player receiving the ball in a deeper position, negating the benefit of playing them in a more offensive position.
- Usually, it’s the full-back who has more space, rather than the winger.
- It’s a bit mid-90s Martin O’Neill or early noughties England.

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

Based on what we saw yesterday, albeit on the bet365 video stream, think the line up should be

Cartwright

Effete…..Rogers…..Maher…..Amos

Clifton….Green…..Konteh…..Glennon

              Rose…….Wilson

While I'd usually agree with you. After seeing 2 serious errors from Amos that could have been both goals: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/67327602

I'd go with:

Efete…..Rodgers…..Maher…..Glennon (or Mullarkey and switch Michee, and push up Glennon instead of Khan)

Clifton….Green…..Conteh…..Khan

              Rose…….Wilson

He needs to reflect on that, and work on those errors. Andrews probably needs a private talking to about wall duties and hiding rather than trying to jump, and make it clear he won't be starting or coming on as a sub if that is seen again.

Quoted from ska face

Lack of width but don’t do anything with it anyway when we have wingers on.

That midfield is almost as narrow as Humbercod’s mind!!

Only joking Mr Cod xxx

It’s a reverse Thermopylae

Quoted from AncientExiledMariner

While I'd usually agree with you. After seeing 2 serious errors from Amos that could have been both goals: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/67327602

I'd go with:

Effete…..Rogers…..Maher…..Glennon (or Mullarkey and switch Michee, and push up Glennon instead of Khan)

Clifton….Green…..Konteh…..Khan

              Rose…….Wilson

He needs to reflect on that, and work on those errors. Andrews probably needs a private talking to about wall duties and hiding rather than trying to jump, and make it clear he won't be starting or coming on as a sub if that is seen again.

If we’re going with that personnel, I’d switch Khan and Clifton. Khan tracks like a sharp needle and Glennon needs all the help he can get.

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

If we’re going with that personnel, I’d switch Khan and Clifton. Khan tracks like a sharp needle and Glennon needs all the help he can get.

Yeah, good point.

The problem with football these days, every team wants to play the Pep way, playing out the back, is all well and good if you have the players that can play that style, we don't.

How many times have lost possession in our own half trying to play out from the back and been punished. Possession football is excrement and boring, get the ball in oppenents half has quickly as possible, less time for them to get them shape.

It annoys me when a players starts to run at the defenders only to stop and pass backwards, its a lot harder to defend when you are having to run backwards, keep running give the defender a decision to make, draw fouls in the final third of the pitch.

Football has be made far too complicated, with all the stats available passes completed, lost in possession, fouls & tackles made, pitch coverage hot sopts, running distances etc.

If you spend less time in your own half, less chance of conceeding and spend more in their half the better chance of scoring. Two stats that I am interested in are goals for and against, the rest are pundits bullshit to keep them something to chat about.

I quote the Great Bill Shankey

“Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.

So lets make it simple.

UTM

Quoted from AncientExiledMariner

While I'd usually agree with you. After seeing 2 serious errors from Amos that could have been both goals: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/67327602

I'd go with:

Efete…..Rodgers…..Maher…..Glennon (or Mullarkey and switch Michee, and push up Glennon instead of Khan)

Clifton….Green…..Conteh…..Khan

              Rose…….Wilson

He needs to reflect on that, and work on those errors. Andrews probably needs a private talking to about wall duties and hiding rather than trying to jump, and make it clear he won't be starting or coming on as a sub if that is seen again.

He should have never played for us again after he literally gave up when he got done, which resulted in Colchester's winner. Which was arguably a big reason Hurst lost his job. He's lightweight and idle. Really unlike me to make my mind up about someone so quickly but I've seen enough with him.

I also think Rodgers, Amos, Harry, Conteh and Eisa all need taking out of the team for their own good, all are woefully low on confidence and, I think in Amos's case, just not up to it at L2.

Quoted from The Yard Dog

The problem with football these days, every team wants to play the Pep way, playing out the back, is all well and good if you have the players that can play that style, we don't.

How many times have lost possession in our own half trying to play out from the back and been punished. Possession football is excrement and boring, get the ball in oppenents half has quickly as possible, less time for them to get them shape.

It annoys me when a players starts to run at the defenders only to stop and pass backwards, its a lot harder to defend when you are having to run backwards, keep running give the defender a decision to make, draw fouls in the final third of the pitch.

Football has be made far too complicated, with all the stats available passes completed, lost in possession, fouls & tackles made, pitch coverage hot sopts, running distances etc.

If you spend less time in your own half, less chance of conceeding and spend more in their half the better chance of scoring. Two stats that I am interested in are goals for and against, the rest are pundits bullshit to keep them something to chat about.

I quote the Great Bill Shankey

“Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.

So lets make it simple.

UTM

Ahmen to that. The aim of the game is to score more than the opposition, and everything else is just fluff.  

Quoted from Sandford1981

How many fans see beyond the glaringly obvious? Football is far more nuanced and complicated at the professional level, than most casual fans realise or will give it credit for.
I’m not saying we’re all simpletons who cannot see such detail-far from it. With the amount of in depth analysis, stats (sorry Lew) and books on the subject of tactics it’s never been easier to get to grips with this sort of thing but I do think it’s a factor!
It’s worth considering too that as with anything new,  a different approach takes time to implement because players will revert to their dominant habits under pressure which was evident yesterday.
Whether Pearson and Davies should or will get the chance and time to cement their ideas is a different argument.
Personally I’d like to see a permanent appointment made as soon as possible.

I'll tell you what we can see from around my vantage point in the Upper.Players who can't pass can't cross and can't take set pieces including throw ins.I don't need a data analyst for that it's basics. Football is not a complicated game no matter how much the Sky generation try and brainwash the fans Buckley had it right get a system and get all the players to fit jnto a style of play.Nothing has changed Pep does the same

Quoted from ska face

It’s a reverse Thermopylae

Which brings us back to Mornington Crescent!

Quoted from ska face

Lack of width but don’t do anything with it anyway when we have wingers on.

Like that a lot.

Quoted from ginnywings

Both Davies and Rose mentioned after the game that they have made some changes to the way we play and it will take a bit of time.

Obviously, it wasn't apparent yesterday what they have changed because of the way the game played out.

Maybe it will become clearer in time.

apparently they want a more possession based game with more attacking intent.
The first 10 or 15 they were trying to play out from the back (which drove the people around me insane!) and were pinging it around quite nicely. Then it all started to go wrong and we went to pieces. imho it was completely the wrong game to try and play tippy-tappy football. Slough said that they were quite happy with it, and it was only when we went long ball that they felt under pressure

Quoted from 1mickylyons

I'll tell you what we can see from around my vantage point in the Upper.Players who can't pass can't cross and can't take set pieces including throw ins.I don't need a data analyst for that it's basics. Football is not a complicated game no matter how much the Sky generation try and brainwash the fans Buckley had it right get a system and get all the players to fit jnto a style of play.Nothing has changed Pep does the same

I think you just proved my point!

We’ve probably got to start by becoming hard to beat and setting up our defensive structure with those who have looked most competent positionally. That’s where the first problem arises. I don’t really care if we are 4 or 5 at the back, but I can’t specify any that have shown good standards. So, we’ll have to persevere. At a push, I might go with Maher, Waterfall and Rodgers as a 3. Mullarkey, Amos, Efete and Glennon have all shown glaring defensive shortcomings, and have forgotten how to do basic things correctly. Take your pick. For me, Glennon is the weakest defensively. We really need better full backs asap.

Clifton, Conteh, Eisa - I’d drop all 3, and they couldn’t complain. Ditto Andrews, although his technique is good. Everything else about his game has looked below par. All of them need it spelling out to them - you want a future here - you get your act together immediately or sit and watch. Prob leaves Green, Holohan and Hunt playing the next game as a 3. Green’s defensive quality, physical strength and energy and commitment are particularly valuable now.

Rose picks himself, and Wilson needs to raise his game after Saturday but generally has looked worth the perseverance. Guess that means I’m advocating 5-3-2 next game.

Key point is - if we don’t find some team spirit, and learn to do the things kids and amateurs can master - concentrate, pass, cross, mark, commit and anticipate, we’re f*cked whoever plays.

He needs to reflect on that, and work on those errors. Andrews probably needs a private talking to about wall duties and hiding rather than trying to jump, and make it clear he won't be starting or coming on as a sub if that is seen again.

Absolutely this, I’m surprised more didn’t notice the fact that Cartwright set his wall up fine but the wall didn’t react at all. All Andrews had to do was jump and it wouldn’t have been a goal……..

Quoted from ska face

Lack of width but don’t do anything with it anyway when we have wingers on.

Didn't someone put some stats (I know, I know) on here the other day that said something about us using the middle one of the least of teams in league 2?

i think the two temporary managers have no chance now of the job after that performance.

Quoted from oochiad

He needs to reflect on that, and work on those errors. Andrews probably needs a private talking to about wall duties and hiding rather than trying to jump, and make it clear he won't be starting or coming on as a sub if that is seen again.

Absolutely this, I’m surprised more didn’t notice the fact that Cartwright set his wall up fine but the wall didn’t react at all. All Andrews had to do was jump and it wouldn’t have been a goal……..

For me, Amos was closest. He seemed to move his head slightly to the left, and if he moved it slightly to the right, he might have connected. The jump looked half assed and more like he jumped because it was expected rather than to try and win the ball. I'm a fan of Amos, and really thought he had potential, but the game was shocking, and he really needs to analyse this and eradicate it from his game.

Andrews didn't necessarily cost us here, but it was pathetic, and on another day would have been a goal. You simply cannot do that as a professional footballer. Can a manager really take a player off set piece defensive duty because they don't have the bottle? You're effectively carrying them for their attacking skills, and you'd have to be pretty special to overcome that.

I don't usually like bashing players, and I really hope the coaching staff address these things, and regardless, fans get behind them. We have the players we have for now, and we need to get the best out of them.

Quoted from ska face

Lack of width but don’t do anything with it anyway when we have wingers on.

Weird, I was thinking just yesterday morning that I'd quite like to see a Hunt tipped diamond midfield. I've never got why hes only ever been deployed as a standard CM or a deep lying midfielder.

I don’t really know anything about tactics, and there’s a lot more to management than putting 11 names on a template and thinking “that should do a job”, but I reckon that would do a job.

Would that job be a solid defensive performance, but with no width and little attacking intent? Teams which field 4 central midfielders don't tend to be the most creative.

Am I crazy to think that we’ve already done this at some point last season? I’m 99% sure that Glennon and Amos played quite a few games together

Why isnt anyone advocating for Athur Ghnua to start on the right?   Clifton is no winger. surely Ghnua has done sod all wrong really and is overlooked.

Surely, we’re at a point in which we might as well try something like this?

It is probably different for Davies & Pearson personally but I’m viewing anything pre-new manager as a free hit.

Glennon’s set piece delivery is worth having him on the pitch for me

If Eisa isn't going to be trusted (or isn't fit), then why not just stick Clifton out on the left? He's a grafter, will track back to support the left-back defensively (which is very necessary given the players we have available), has a lot more pace than Glennon and has had a knack of popping up with important goals when playing on the left over the past year or two.

Seems a 'no-brainer' to me, given than he's hardly flourished in the centre in any case. If Green or Holohan are fit, they can certainly provide some vim and vigour in the centre.

Quoted from LocalLadGTFC

Am I crazy to think that we’ve already done this at some point last season? I’m 99% sure that Glennon and Amos played quite a few games together

They have and it worked well imo, giving each the freedom to get forward but covering each other in defence. If we can get more quality balls into the box we have rose n wilson now who are both good finishers and rose can win it in the air too for wilson to play off. Loads of goals in this team if we set up differently, passing sideways slowly in our own half is doing side all apart from allowing the opposition time to re group and get behind the ball. We need to counter attack by moving the ball forward quicker and get players running at thier opposition and trying to beat them.

Quoted from Maringer

If Eisa isn't going to be trusted (or isn't fit), then why not just stick Clifton out on the left? He's a grafter, will track back to support the left-back defensively (which is very necessary given the players we have available), has a lot more pace than Glennon and has had a knack of popping up with important goals when playing on the left over the past year or two.

Seems a 'no-brainer' to me, given than he's hardly flourished in the centre in any case. If Green or Holohan are fit, they can certainly provide some vim and vigour in the centre.

Clifton would do a job there, problem is his final ball isn't threatening enough usually.  I think that was one of hurstys downfalls, playing players out of position and getting them to 'do a job'    

Quoted from monkeyboy

Why isnt anyone advocating for Athur Ghnua to start on the right?   Clifton is no winger. surely Ghnua has done sod all wrong really and is overlooked.

I'd damn near forgot about arthur tbh, when he was playing earlier in the season we looked a better side with him in it.

Quoted from chaos33

We’ve probably got to start by becoming hard to beat and setting up our defensive structure with those who have looked most competent positionally. That’s where the first problem arises. I don’t really care if we are 4 or 5 at the back, but I can’t specify any that have shown good standards. So, we’ll have to persevere. At a push, I might go with Maher, Waterfall and Rodgers as a 3. Mullarkey, Amos, Efete and Glennon have all shown glaring defensive shortcomings, and have forgotten how to do basic things correctly. Take your pick. For me, Glennon is the weakest defensively. We really need better full backs asap.

Clifton, Conteh, Eisa - I’d drop all 3, and they couldn’t complain. Ditto Andrews, although his technique is good. Everything else about his game has looked below par. All of them need it spelling out to them - you want a future here - you get your act together immediately or sit and watch. Prob leaves Green, Holohan and Hunt playing the next game as a 3. Green’s defensive quality, physical strength and energy and commitment are particularly valuable now.

Rose picks himself, and Wilson needs to raise his game after Saturday but generally has looked worth the perseverance. Guess that means I’m advocating 5-3-2 next game.

Key point is - if we don’t find some team spirit, and learn to do the things kids and amateurs can master - concentrate, pass, cross, mark, commit and anticipate, we’re f*cked whoever plays.

I think a good number do need a reality check , Saturday should have been a good wake up call - I suggest a good few will be playing at the likes of Slough on a weekly basis if they don't improve .

Quoted from Mappers

I think a good number do need a reality check , Saturday should have been a good wake up call - I suggest a good few will be playing at the likes of Slough on a weekly basis if they don't improve .

They won't worry too much with a 3 year contract.

Quoted from DB

They won't worry too much with a 3 year contract.

Do you remember the good old days when it was fashionable to hammer the club for loans and one year deals?

Something to do with penny pinching and  it not allowing players to settle or have any security and therefore we had no continuity in playing staff from one season to the next. What times they were!

Quoted from The Yard Dog

The problem with football these days, every team wants to play the Pep way, playing out the back, is all well and good if you have the players that can play that style, we don't.

How many times have lost possession in our own half trying to play out from the back and been punished. Possession football is excrement and boring, get the ball in oppenents half has quickly as possible, less time for them to get them shape.

It annoys me when a players starts to run at the defenders only to stop and pass backwards, its a lot harder to defend when you are having to run backwards, keep running give the defender a decision to make, draw fouls in the final third of the pitch.

Football has be made far too complicated, with all the stats available passes completed, lost in possession, fouls & tackles made, pitch coverage hot sopts, running distances etc.

If you spend less time in your own half, less chance of conceeding and spend more in their half the better chance of scoring. Two stats that I am interested in are goals for and against, the rest are pundits bullshit to keep them something to chat about.

I quote the Great Bill Shankey

“Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.

So lets make it simple.

UTM

Spot on Yard Dog.  I know a lot of Town fans hate Mullin but he runs at defenders.  Of course, he usually goes down under the defenders challenge but we can't even play that game if we stop and play it back. What makes it worse, is the recipient of the back pass is a tight position or under pressure.

Quoted from Mayaman

Spot on Yard Dog.  I know a lot of Town fans hate Mullin but he runs at defenders.  Of course, he usually goes down under the defenders challenge but we can't even play that game if we stop and play it back. What makes it worse, is the recipient of the back pass is a tight position or under pressure.

When Mr J Lester was a resident of this parish that tactic was seen as legitimate and part of our game. I don't recall any Town fans on their high horse as Jack got another penalty or free kick.

Quoted from Sandford1981

Do you remember the good old days when it was fashionable to hammer the club for loans and one year deals?

Something to do with penny pinching and  it not allowing players to settle or have any security and therefore we had no continuity in playing staff from one season to the next. What times they were!

That’s a strong point.