Thoughts?

I don't think he's an improvement on Eastwood if I'm honest.

He’s been rubbish too in the games he’s played

Why not, never know might work out like it did with Henderson, if it doesn't I don't think its going to greatly effect the results going forward at the moment

Today was not eastwoods fault

It's irritating that we are in this position with goalkeepers, neither look good enough, given all the publicity last season and the extra income.

You can't really build a successful side with a shaky keeper who doesn't inspire confidence.

Quoted from fishcake63

Today was not eastwoods fault

I don't think today was Eastwoods fault either but it's not just this game. There's been plenty of goals this season where I think he could have done better. He's been fairly poor at commanding his area and isn't pulling off the kind of saves that Mckeown used to make which made up for him not commanding his area well. I honestly think we either need to try Cartwright of send him back and look for a new keep in January

Noooooooooooo!

Meanwhile in League One, Max Crocombe is 9th in the league after his Burton side spanked Bristol Rovers 4-1. Been quite a remarkable couple of years for the lad, having signed for us as a 2nd choice stopper in the National League, with Boston seemingly his other option.

Fair play to him.

3 clean sheets across 18 games in all competitions for this squad. Averaging 1.78 goals a game conceded across the season, or 2.1 a game since our last clean sheet at the start of September. Completely unsustainable.

Was interesting to hear Matt Dean explain that Hurst was definitely in for Murphy at Newcastle through the whole summer & came really close. Ultimately counts for frig all now though, how costly that seems to be.

In those 18 games, we’ve only put out the same starting 11 in consecutive games once. Some of that enforced, some not. The back line changes weekly. Conceding goals is a habit that a few of our players have slipped into, and I’m not sure we have it in us to change that mindset.

Hull won’t have lent him to us with the expectation he sat on the bench all season and with Eastwood mediocre at best there must be some pressure to give him a few games or the loan will probably be cut short.

Quoted from ska face

3 clean sheets across 18 games in all competitions for this squad. Averaging 1.78 goals a game conceded across the season, or 2.1 a game since our last clean sheet at the start of September. Completely unsustainable.

Was interesting to hear Matt Dean explain that Hurst was definitely in for Murphy at Newcastle through the whole summer & came really close. Ultimately counts for frig all now though, how costly that seems to be.

In those 18 games, we’ve only put out the same starting 11 in consecutive games once. Some of that enforced, some not. The back line changes weekly. Conceding goals is a habit that a few of our players have slipped into, and I’m not sure we have it in us to change that mindset.

I'm not certain that a left back would have solved all of our defensive problems. It's great that we were chasing someone so highly rated, but it's also frustrating that we seemingly never had an alternative plan.

In isolation, it's great that we have seen fight to bring it back to 2-2, but it's frustrating that it's yet another loss.

Across the 14 games, our current league position is unacceptable and needs improving over the next 7 days.

the two of them are crap

there must be a out of contract goalkeeper out there some were

From what I've seen of Cartwright he's nowhere near ready for being a number 1 in an EFL club..
Contrast and compare to Henderson who, at the same age, looked a class above.
I'm now seeing though what Rochdale fans saw in Eastwood, and quite frankly I'm a little disappointed as he looked decent on the first few games, but like most of the players, seems to have regressed aa the seasons moved on.

Cartwright is the equivalent of any youth keeper who isn’t good enough. Eastwood looked good but much like his defence has gone backwards very fast .

Quoted from ska face

3 clean sheets across 18 games in all competitions for this squad. Averaging 1.78 goals a game conceded across the season, or 2.1 a game since our last clean sheet at the start of September. Completely unsustainable.

Was interesting to hear Matt Dean explain that Hurst was definitely in for Murphy at Newcastle through the whole summer & came really close. Ultimately counts for frig all now though, how costly that seems to be.

In those 18 games, we’ve only put out the same starting 11 in consecutive games once. Some of that enforced, some not. The back line changes weekly. Conceding goals is a habit that a few of our players have slipped into, and I’m not sure we have it in us to change that mindset.

Probably enough games played to say that we're short of a good keeper, other than Efete, our full backs are too slow, Mullarkey got rinsed first 30 minutes today, another decent centre back needed and the midfield is relatively weak apart from Conteh. I actually think the wide men and forwards would benefit from a better spine. I'm not sure Hurst has spent the extra money wisely and is already on "negate the opposition mode". We weren't too bad today, but we're a long way off 1878's publicly stated target.. for which I don't think PH has it in him to achieve

The last thing a defence leaking goals and low on confidence needs is to have a young, inexperienced keeper who frankly hasn’t looked very good behind them.

By the time the ball has passed the keeper it has also passed 10 outfield players who combined to let the opposition go past them. I don't think Eastwood is brilliant by any means but you couldn't fault him for today's perforance.

Quoted from Bigdog

Probably enough games played to say that we're short of a good keeper, other than Efete

That’s a left field suggestion but I’m prepared to give it a go at this stage.

Given that Cartwright has the No. 1 shirt, I think it's pretty obvious he was signed in the expectation of being first choice? Never seen him play, so I can't comment on his abilities, but he looks like a bit of a skinny kid at the moment and you don't get too many slight keepers. De Gea is pretty much the only one I can think of and he's a bit of an outlier.

did not  make a save till after h e let three in+

Don't know about today because I didn't see the game, but the first from Accrington last week was poor keeping for me. Wasn't in the top corner and I thought it was a shot that should have been palmed around or over.

The second didn't look much better either. He is a tall striker, but Eastwood is as tall and has the advantage of his arms as well, so should have cleaned out the ball I reckon.

Cartwright back to Hull in Jan, and bring in another stopper?

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Given that Cartwright has the No. 1 shirt, I think it's pretty obvious he was signed in the expectation of being first choice?

Shirt numbers count for little these days. Having the no.1 is not a sign of being first choice.  Players are tending to keep the same number throughout their careers.

Quoted from 141269

Shirt numbers count for little these days. Having the no.1 is not a sign of being first choice.  Players are tending to keep the same number throughout their careers.

Going to be a short career then

For my sins I went to the Mansfield and Barnsley cup games. Despite Eastwood's failings, he is way better than Cartwright. It would signal a massive lack of confidence in Eastwood when he simply needs coaching out of bad habits. Cartwright would be crushed. Not as good as the lad we loaned out.

Eastwood doesn't look comfortable with the ball at his feet and the defenders know it so are always slightly on edge. When he actually kicks it clear, he generally does OK, but it's the lack of confidence which is the issue. McKeown was always the same, though he was also a really good shot-stopper in his prime. I don't think Eastwood has shown the same.

A pity Crocombe didn't stay, as I suspect we'd have a few more points on the board if he had re-signed.

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For my sins I went to the Mansfield and Barnsley cup games. Despite Eastwood's failings, he is way better than Cartwright. It would signal a massive lack of confidence in Eastwood when he simply needs coaching out of bad habits. Cartwright would be crushed. Not as good as the lad we loaned out.

Cartwright’s a strange one, that based on what I’ve seen of the lad, I’m unable to reach a more positive summation of his abilities than you. Likewise, whenever he’s been loaned out to other EFL clubs, he’s ended up playing much less football than he seemed to anticipate, which suggests we’re not the only ones to have sight of his flaws.

But he has been a part of the England set-up through to under-20 level, and you presumably don’t do that without a modicum of potential. So what’s the deal? Does he lack the psychological chops to play men’s football in front of a crowd, or is it something else? Perhaps he’ll come good if given the time to get to grips with things, but it’s hard to make a case for it not feeling like a risk as we stand today.

I think Young Cartwright’s performance in the first team games he has played in does nothing to suggest he is ready for League 2.

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

I think Young Cartwright’s performance in the first team games he has played in does nothing to suggest he is ready for League 2.

Which begs the question as to why the recruitment team didn't know that? If I remember rightly it was a bit cloak and dagger getting him announced wasn't it, like it was a major coup for Hull to agree?

An awful lot of questions mounting up about the summer recruitment altogether.

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Which begs the question as to why the recruitment team didn't know that? If I remember rightly it was a bit cloak and dagger getting him announced wasn't it, like it was a major coup for Hull to agree?

An awful lot of questions mounting up about the summer recruitment altogether.

The summer recruitment is looking like money down the drain at this point .Every single player we signed has gone rapidly downhill except Wilson/Rose . The decision to let Crocombe go and replace him with these two a particularly poor bit of judgement.

I can't deny that most the summer recruits have seen a downturn in form. But then so have most of last year's squad.
Waterfall, Clifton, Holohan to name 3 who aren't performing as well as we'd like.

But that's the life of a pro footballer, you'll have good and bad games.
Can't be a 9 out of 10 every game.
It's exacerbated by the low confidence in the camp.

I disagree that the summer recruitment is money down the drain. Man for man they're better players than those they replaced although admittedly some are not showing that.

Mistakes are always made worse in a defeat.
Take their keeper yesterday.  Poor decision to come out and bring down Clifton.  I dare say it's all forgotten about now and nobody will be calling for him to be replaced on their fans forum.

Quoted from 141269

I can't deny that most the summer recruits have seen a downturn in form. But then so have most of last year's squad.
Waterfall, Clifton, Holohan to name 3 who aren't performing as well as we'd like.

But that's the life of a pro footballer, you'll have good and bad games.
Can't be a 9 out of 10 every game.
It's exacerbated by the low confidence in the camp.

I disagree that the summer recruitment is money down the drain. Man for man they're better players than those they replaced although admittedly some are not showing that.

Mistakes are always made worse in a defeat.
Take their keeper yesterday.  Poor decision to come out and bring down Clifton.  I dare say it's all forgotten about now and nobody will be calling for him to be replaced on their fans forum.

Personally think Gav’s been our best central midfielder

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The summer recruitment is looking like money down the drain at this point .Every single player we signed has gone rapidly downhill except Wilson/Rose . The decision to let Crocombe go and replace him with these two a particularly poor bit of judgement.

Not sure you can say Conteh will be money down the drain or poor recruitment, definitely a decent profit to be made on him.

I agree about Crocombe though, he didn't perform as well second half of the season but was still a decent keeper for this level.

What has Holohan done wrong? Dropped at the start of the season for no clear reason and has largely proven Hurst wrong whenever he’s played.

Crocombe didn't want to stay. We didn't let him go, he went to a club in the division above where he seems to be doing quite well.

Quoted from Maringer

Crocombe didn't want to stay. We didn't let him go, he went to a club in the division above where he seems to be doing quite well.

Hurst thought he only deserved a 1 year deal and signed Eastwood on a 2 year deal. The fact Crocombe is doing well in League 1 suggests Crocombe definitely was worth a 2 year deal.

Crocombe was offered a deal but Burton offered more.  Simple economics I'm afraid.  Plus the option of playing at a higher level.

Remember he started on the bench for Burton but got his chance owing to injury to their first choice.  Sob far he's done nothing wrong to warrant being dropped. He was signed as 2nd choice.

Reference my comment regards Holohan not playing at his best. Can anybody say he's showing the same form as last year?

We’ve signed relegation players with that mentality fresh in their head . It takes time to shake it off .

For the first few games of the season Eastwood looked absolutely fine and dare I say an upgrade on the final few games of Crocombe.  

Since then we've chopped and changed at the back (some enforced), completely changed our style of play and all in looked a completely different side altogether.

That spine of Eastwood, Maher/Rodgers and Conteh were working so well together in possession of the ball that I think that spread confidence amongst all four.  

I'm not saying Eastwood's drop in form is due to the fact that he isn't passing the ball out to Conteh directly ahead of him, but I think collectively all the differences from August have just chipped away at the lads confidence.  He looks completely devoid of any sense of belief and was largely glued to his line on Saturday, as opposed to the early games when he looked big, strong and brave on crosses.

From what I've seen of Cartwright he looks well away from what we would expect.  

It's a really worrying situation because I wouldn't feel confident with either named between the sticks at the minute.  Only hope is that we can somehow build Eastwood's confidence back up or Cartwright becomes a different beast when he's in the proper first team, his pedigree definitely doesn't match up with the few games I've seen of him.

It was pretty much unanimous on here at the back end of last season that we needed to replace Crocombe as he wasn't good enough...

Quoted from 140381

It was pretty much unanimous on here at the back end of last season that we needed to replace Crocombe as he wasn't good enough...

The replacements are good enough either, in fact, they make Crocombe very good, including his 'cramp'.

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Not sure you can say Conteh will be money down the drain or poor recruitment, definitely a decent profit to be made on him.

I agree about Crocombe though, he didn't perform as well second half of the season but was still a decent keeper for this level.

Agree Conteh looks to have good resale value but we’re rumoured to have beaten some big spenders (Wrexham/Stockport mentioned) to his signature so we don’t know if it will be as big a profit as we’d hope for.