With fans displeasure of the manager at the highest level for some time, our tree hugging Guardian writing leaders are unusually silent. Do they lack the will to do anything or are they studying data to give a measured response? A vote of confidence in their manager is normally issued in these situations.
Posted by: Croxton, October 16, 2023, 3:22pm; Reply: 1
With fans displeasure of the manager at the highest level for some time, our tree hugging Guardian writing leaders are unusually silent. Do they lack the will to do anything or are they studying data to give a measured response? A vote of confidence in their manager is normally issued in these situations.
Utter trolling tosh. a) they are usually quiet anyhow. b) a measured response would be later in the week. c) a statement today might imply undue haste and a lack of respect to a long serving manager. d) Too much bile in one post. Try being subtle for once.
Posted by: ginnywings, October 16, 2023, 3:50pm; Reply: 2
Got as far as tree hugging Guardian....
Stopped reading.
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, October 16, 2023, 3:52pm; Reply: 3
Always amazes me how caring for the environment and reading a newspaper that doesn't rely on lies or nipples for sales is seen as a stick to beat people with.
Posted by: buckstown, October 16, 2023, 4:17pm; Reply: 5
Why on earth can't people behave with just a touch of decency and decorum in these situations? It costs nothing to show respect and express yourself without resorting to juvenile sniping. I know we all feel a bit harder sitting behind a computer screen and keyboard but gracious me. The golden rule all parents teach all children - "treat people with the respect..........."
Posted by: jamesgtfc, October 16, 2023, 4:21pm; Reply: 6
Jason, Andrew and Debbie have clearly been very spineless reaching where they have their respective careers.
Posted by: Zmariner, October 16, 2023, 4:27pm; Reply: 7
Posted by: OddShapedBalls, October 16, 2023, 4:30pm; Reply: 8
Them 'spineless leaders' probably understand that they'd need to pay up Mr Hurst's contract to get rid, and then pay the same amount or more to someone else, who then wants their own backroom team too.....so even more double costing, and the players were all brought here by Hurst and the entire playing side is shaped around him and in January any new boss will be expecting funds to bring in 'his' players, all on a finite budget......so with no imminent threat of relegation I imagine they are quietly hoping Town string 4-5 results together soon and the noise will die down a bit really.
They'll know that if a change has to happen, it needs to happen before January for obvious reasons so IF they change manager, I wouldn't expect to see any changes until early December unless there's some huge boycott or town lose 23-0
Posted by: Northbank Mariner, October 16, 2023, 4:42pm; Reply: 9
Administration, shut this down please, we already have one thread that's feeding the trolls,...
Posted by: FishySmithy, October 16, 2023, 4:52pm; Reply: 10
Thank god they don’t share the same views as you ya Wally, did you panic buy loo roll and pasta by any chance.
Posted by: chaos33, October 16, 2023, 5:08pm; Reply: 11
Where is FFS when you need him?
Posted by: VinnyGTFC, October 16, 2023, 5:08pm; Reply: 12
The spineless leaders as you call them like a small child, are the ones around the club, the management team , the players and will see things we don't. If you want to be in their position and make the decisions you should have been a better boy at school. In the meantime I'm happy and confident they will not strike from a knee jerk reaction and will do the very best for the club as they see it, and when I look at other clubs going from one poor manager to the next I can live with that.
Posted by: Lincoln Mariner 56, October 16, 2023, 5:12pm; Reply: 13
They'll know that if a change has to happen, it needs to happen before January for obvious reasons so IF they change manager, I wouldn't expect to see any changes until early December unless there's some huge boycott or town lose 23-0
Personally, I think he will have the next 3 matches to show that improvement is possible and imminent. The home match v Colchester will be massive as lose that and I believe the atmosphere will be very unpleasant and once that happens it really does become just a matter of time. Said before I’m one for change now but hoping that if he stays we pick up a couple of wins in the next three games and we can all start getting more optimistic about how this season might pan out. Not particularly convinced that’s going to happen though!!!
Posted by: Dodorondon, October 16, 2023, 5:18pm; Reply: 14
First rule of public relations: Don’t respond.
Posted by: GrimPol, October 16, 2023, 5:37pm; Reply: 15
Administration, shut this down please, we already have one thread that's feeding the trolls,...
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Posted by: DaleH, October 16, 2023, 5:41pm; Reply: 16
Can't believe I am reading the rubbish.
Paul Hurst is a decent man. More than a decent man in fact. He's served our club well and continues to graft day in and day out to lead our club on the football side of things.
He's honest, hard working, and wants nothing but the best for us. The fact that we haven't had the start we would have hoped for this season is unfortunate. But the form this season over just 13 games does not make Paul Hurst a poor manager overnight. Neither does it mean that the football isn't going to come good again sometime soon.
The manner in which football supporters discuss managers is appalling and distasteful. This is a good person you are slating, with your constant unsettling speak.
And as for the comments regarding our owners, the behaviour of some of your towards them is no better. Andrew and Jason are highly professional people. They don't need to be putting out statements about their employees to appease supporters and neither should they. Frankly even public statements confirming confidence in a manager are not acceptable and not needed. I don't need to read that our owners are either satisfied or dissatisfied with Paul Hurst. The fact that they choose to employ him is good enough for me. And if there is ever a point when they sadly end his employment by their own volition, or through mutual agreement; then that would be good enough for me too. I don't need a running commentary or messages in-between any managers starting point and end point.
Football is a really weird industry. Aside from politics, I cannot think of another industry where people feel they have the right to play a part in the employment of people. I don't like it one bit.
My message is this. Keep working hard Paul Hurst, and as long as you are our manager then I am fully behind you as a supporter, because I know that you are doing everything you can for our club. Just like you always have. I have every confidence in you as the manager.
Posted by: Spurn boy, October 16, 2023, 6:01pm; Reply: 17
Public statements by owners of football clubs don’t necessarily work, you only have to look down the road at Glanford Park and see the chaos and embarrassment statements made by the former owner David Hilton caused so I think a bit of discretion by our owners is not a bad thing.
Posted by: chaos33, October 16, 2023, 6:14pm; Reply: 18
Paul Hurst is a decent man. More than a decent man in fact. He's served our club well and continues to graft day in and day out to lead our club on the football side of things.
He's honest, hard working, and wants nothing but the best for us. The fact that we haven't had the start we would have hoped for this season is unfortunate. But the form this season over just 13 games does not make Paul Hurst a poor manager overnight. Neither does it mean that the football isn't going to come good again sometime soon.
The manner in which football supporters discuss managers is appalling and distasteful. This is a good person you are slating, with your constant unsettling speak.
And as for the comments regarding our owners, the behaviour of some of your towards them is no better. Andrew and Jason are highly professional people. They don't need to be putting out statements about their employees to appease supporters and neither should they. Frankly even public statements confirming confidence in a manager are not acceptable and not needed. I don't need to read that our owners are either satisfied or dissatisfied with Paul Hurst. The fact that they choose to employ him is good enough for me. And if there is ever a point when they sadly end his employment by their own volition, or through mutual agreement; then that would be good enough for me too. I don't need a running commentary or messages in-between any managers starting point and end point.
Football is a really weird industry. Aside from politics, I cannot think of another industry where people feel they have the right to play a part in the employment of people. I don't like it one bit.
My message is this. Keep working hard Paul Hurst, and as long as you are our manager then I am fully behind you as a supporter, because I know that you are doing everything you can for our club. Just like you always have. I have every confidence in you as the manager.
A good post. Most if not all supporters are concerned. Angry even. We want things to change. The prevalence of insulting, disrespectful and entitled outrage is ugly and unfair. I’m not happy; our league position, points total and performance levels are unsatisfactory. We should strive for better. It does need to be addressed, and quickly, but personal insults, hysterical and abusive exclamations, supposition, guess work and blithering victim mentality cobblers is really unsightly, unhelpful and unfair.
Posted by: Theimperialcoroner, October 16, 2023, 6:15pm; Reply: 19
With fans displeasure of the manager at the highest level for some time, our tree hugging Guardian writing leaders are unusually silent. Do they lack the will to do anything or are they studying data to give a measured response? A vote of confidence in their manager is normally issued in these situations.
What a pillock you are.
Posted by: chaos33, October 16, 2023, 6:16pm; Reply: 20
Paul Hurst is a decent man. More than a decent man in fact. He's served our club well and continues to graft day in and day out to lead our club on the football side of things.
He's honest, hard working, and wants nothing but the best for us. The fact that we haven't had the start we would have hoped for this season is unfortunate. But the form this season over just 13 games does not make Paul Hurst a poor manager overnight. Neither does it mean that the football isn't going to come good again sometime soon.
The manner in which football supporters discuss managers is appalling and distasteful. This is a good person you are slating, with your constant unsettling speak.
And as for the comments regarding our owners, the behaviour of some of your towards them is no better. Andrew and Jason are highly professional people. They don't need to be putting out statements about their employees to appease supporters and neither should they. Frankly even public statements confirming confidence in a manager are not acceptable and not needed. I don't need to read that our owners are either satisfied or dissatisfied with Paul Hurst. The fact that they choose to employ him is good enough for me. And if there is ever a point when they sadly end his employment by their own volition, or through mutual agreement; then that would be good enough for me too. I don't need a running commentary or messages in-between any managers starting point and end point.
Football is a really weird industry. Aside from politics, I cannot think of another industry where people feel they have the right to play a part in the employment of people. I don't like it one bit.
My message is this. Keep working hard Paul Hurst, and as long as you are our manager then I am fully behind you as a supporter, because I know that you are doing everything you can for our club. Just like you always have. I have every confidence in you as the manager.
Hang on a minute. Putting aside the one or two that are just daft/attention seeking/vitriolic the rest of us are discussing the manager of our club in a reasonable way.
He is a professional football manager and has seen it all before. He is not going to crying to his nearest and dearest cos we are discussing his job.
He will know more than us we have been very poor, so poor some of us just can't understand how such an experienced manager can assemble such an unbalanced squad.
If he survives till then he will have to try to put it right in January.
Posted by: Spurn boy, October 16, 2023, 6:27pm; Reply: 22
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So calling the owners spineless isn't libellous tgen?...I believe that that to be a personal attack on their character and isn't needed FFS!!...AND WE ALREADY HAVE A THREAD ON IT FFS ..
Posted by: WesternMariner, October 16, 2023, 6:39pm; Reply: 24
With fans displeasure of the manager at the highest level for some time, our tree hugging Guardian writing leaders are unusually silent. Do they lack the will to do anything or are they studying data to give a measured response? A vote of confidence in their manager is normally issued in these situations.
Aw diddums - why don’t you get yourself down the 180 a bit and join a Scunny forum their recent leaders seem a bit more aligned to your philosophy?
Posted by: MuddyWaters, October 16, 2023, 7:01pm; Reply: 25
Paul Hurst is a decent man. More than a decent man in fact. He's served our club well and continues to graft day in and day out to lead our club on the football side of things.
He's honest, hard working, and wants nothing but the best for us. The fact that we haven't had the start we would have hoped for this season is unfortunate. But the form this season over just 13 games does not make Paul Hurst a poor manager overnight. Neither does it mean that the football isn't going to come good again sometime soon.
The manner in which football supporters discuss managers is appalling and distasteful. This is a good person you are slating, with your constant unsettling speak.
And as for the comments regarding our owners, the behaviour of some of your towards them is no better. Andrew and Jason are highly professional people. They don't need to be putting out statements about their employees to appease supporters and neither should they. Frankly even public statements confirming confidence in a manager are not acceptable and not needed. I don't need to read that our owners are either satisfied or dissatisfied with Paul Hurst. The fact that they choose to employ him is good enough for me. And if there is ever a point when they sadly end his employment by their own volition, or through mutual agreement; then that would be good enough for me too. I don't need a running commentary or messages in-between any managers starting point and end point.
Football is a really weird industry. Aside from politics, I cannot think of another industry where people feel they have the right to play a part in the employment of people. I don't like it one bit.
My message is this. Keep working hard Paul Hurst, and as long as you are our manager then I am fully behind you as a supporter, because I know that you are doing everything you can for our club. Just like you always have. I have every confidence in you as the manager.
Football is a weird industry and Paul Hurst is a decent man. That means he’s accountable for the club’s results. He’s also not daft. He’s not got long to turn things around. No one wants to be looking at the relegation trap door again, particularly a club like ours who have been non league so recently.
Being a nice bloke in a weird industry doesn’t give you a free pass. He’s running out of time but I think you know that.
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, October 16, 2023, 7:15pm; Reply: 26
Posted by: acko338, October 16, 2023, 7:32pm; Reply: 28
Hurst is DEFINITELY unhappy with the poor form of some of the squad.
He will not slag any particular player, but you know when the axe falls on both players in one position that a statement is being made.
Players know themselves that they have lost form and need to get stuck in when selected.
We all want to see free flowing passing football, but several of the squad have certainly lost confidence.
Throw in longer term injuries and you have a worst case scenario that means players and formations are thrown to the wind !
When simple passing moves go to pot and players are not playing to their potential, then any team that plays well constructed football with good possession, width and pace are going to rip through us too easily.
Whatever formation that Hurst employs will only ever work with players having confidence, wanting to tun with a well controlled ball, and knowing where the next pass has to go.
None of these qualities are currently being shown by any of the teams that Hurst is picking.
When normally dependable players are making simple mistakes, then it's back to basics in training. It drags those who are still playing ok down to the same poor level.
Subs at any time will have very little impact when the style of play remains as it is now.
January will need to be carefully assessed for new faces that can improve what is currently being seen.
Perhaps League 2 has found some of the squad out as above their level of attainment.
Not a happy time to be a fan currently?
Posted by: grimsby pete, October 16, 2023, 7:34pm; Reply: 29
Jason Andrew and. Debbie, have my respect and I have every confidence in them to do the right thing at the right time.
Now although I have said I want Hurst to go I don't expect him to get the sack.
Our poor form and dropping down the league can not go on for much longer so it might not be a happy Christmas for Hurst and Doig.
The other staff should be safe as they are not making any decisions apart from advising the terrible two have to carry the can.
Paul can turn things round with an upturn in form and results and we might have Jason telling us he is glad he did not listen to us when we were calling sack the manager !!!!!
Posted by: ancientmariner54, October 16, 2023, 7:37pm; Reply: 30
Paul Hurst is a decent man. More than a decent man in fact. He's served our club well and continues to graft day in and day out to lead our club on the football side of things.
He's honest, hard working, and wants nothing but the best for us. The fact that we haven't had the start we would have hoped for this season is unfortunate. But the form this season over just 13 games does not make Paul Hurst a poor manager overnight. Neither does it mean that the football isn't going to come good again sometime soon.
The manner in which football supporters discuss managers is appalling and distasteful. This is a good person you are slating, with your constant unsettling speak.
And as for the comments regarding our owners, the behaviour of some of your towards them is no better. Andrew and Jason are highly professional people. They don't need to be putting out statements about their employees to appease supporters and neither should they. Frankly even public statements confirming confidence in a manager are not acceptable and not needed. I don't need to read that our owners are either satisfied or dissatisfied with Paul Hurst. The fact that they choose to employ him is good enough for me. And if there is ever a point when they sadly end his employment by their own volition, or through mutual agreement; then that would be good enough for me too. I don't need a running commentary or messages in-between any managers starting point and end point.
Football is a really weird industry. Aside from politics, I cannot think of another industry where people feel they have the right to play a part in the employment of people. I don't like it one bit.
My message is this. Keep working hard Paul Hurst, and as long as you are our manager then I am fully behind you as a supporter, because I know that you are doing everything you can for our club. Just like you always have. I have every confidence in you as the manager.
Well written, and I understand where you are coming from. However whilst putting a case forward for not disrespecting the man himself( there is no place for the nastiness), you haven't put forward a case for keeping him in office. Are you happy with the way the team is playing? Are you happy with our points and position? If not what cunning plan is in place to rectify it? Also, whilst I'm on a roll, please don't lecture fans, this is a two-way involvement. If GTFC was any other business(say a restaurant) except a club, it would have gone bust years ago, as clients (they wouldn't be fans of course) would have moved on as the poor food, bad service and indifferent owners would have killed off the business. And yet the fans have stayed, after the humiliation of several relegations, playing teams they've never heard of, in places they would struggle to find on a map. Managers and even owners are transient, most fans are for life, carrying on from the fathers, grandads, uncles etc So no, there is no need for the nastiness, but we cannot go on as we are.
Posted by: grimps, October 17, 2023, 6:02am; Reply: 34
Well written, and I understand where you are coming from. However whilst putting a case forward for not disrespecting the man himself( there is no place for the nastiness), you haven't put forward a case for keeping him in office. Are you happy with the way the team is playing? Are you happy with our points and position? If not what cunning plan is in place to rectify it? Also, whilst I'm on a roll, please don't lecture fans, this is a two-way involvement. If GTFC was any other business(say a restaurant) except a club, it would have gone bust years ago, as clients (they wouldn't be fans of course) would have moved on as the poor food, bad service and indifferent owners would have killed off the business. And yet the fans have stayed, after the humiliation of several relegations, playing teams they've never heard of, in places they would struggle to find on a map. Managers and even owners are transient, most fans are for life, carrying on from the fathers, grandads, uncles etc So no, there is no need for the nastiness, but we cannot go on as we are.
Well said
It seems that these days our expectations as a club are rock bottom , If people are happy to continue as we are then I really doubt we'll ever get back up the leagues. We have spent more money than ever , we're getting the best crowds for 40 years and we have a team that can't string two passes together. Continuing to accept this dross has been part of our downfall over the years.
I have nothing against Hurst and have great respect for his achievements here, but playing one striker upfront while at home which was dross all last season and has continued this season without the away form to paper it over. I expected better this season and it looks like I'm not going to see that
Posted by: MuddyWaters, October 17, 2023, 6:26am; Reply: 35
It seems that these days our expectations as a club are rock bottom , If people are happy to continue as we are then I really doubt we'll ever get back up the leagues. We have spent more money than ever , we're getting the best crowds for 40 years and we have a team that can't string two passes together. Continuing to accept this dross has been part of our downfall over the years.
I have nothing against Hurst and have great respect for his achievements here, but playing one striker upfront while at home which was dross all last season and has continued this season without the away form to paper it over. I expected better this season and it looks like I'm not going to see that
I think I remember the chairman saying that one of his objectives was to communicate better with the fans. Seems that’s slipped by the wayside.
Posted by: DaleH, October 17, 2023, 6:46am; Reply: 36
Well written, and I understand where you are coming from. However whilst putting a case forward for not disrespecting the man himself( there is no place for the nastiness), you haven't put forward a case for keeping him in office. Are you happy with the way the team is playing? Are you happy with our points and position? If not what cunning plan is in place to rectify it? Also, whilst I'm on a roll, please don't lecture fans, this is a two-way involvement. If GTFC was any other business(say a restaurant) except a club, it would have gone bust years ago, as clients (they wouldn't be fans of course) would have moved on as the poor food, bad service and indifferent owners would have killed off the business. And yet the fans have stayed, after the humiliation of several relegations, playing teams they've never heard of, in places they would struggle to find on a map. Managers and even owners are transient, most fans are for life, carrying on from the fathers, grandads, uncles etc So no, there is no need for the nastiness, but we cannot go on as we are.
Where have I suggested that I want the club to go on as we are? I haven’t.
What I’ve asked for is that we show a little patience, back the manager, and be more understanding that sometimes even the best managers have to go through some difficult and testing times before things improve again.
Prior to Hust going first time around, I asked people to be careful what they wished for. It became my static sign off in my Fishy signature. And look what happened to our club when certain supporters got their way. I’ve a feeling it might be time to remind people again to “be careful what you wish for”.
Posted by: MuddyWaters, October 17, 2023, 6:50am; Reply: 37
Where have I suggested that I want the club to go on as we are? I haven’t.
What I’ve asked for is that we show a little patience, back the manager, and be more understanding that sometimes even the best managers have to go through some difficult and testing times before things improve again.
Prior to Hust going first time around, I asked people to be careful what they wished for. It became my static sign off in my Fishy signature. And look what happened to our club when certain supporters got their way. I’ve a feeling it might be time to remind people again to “be careful what you wish for”.
Hurst walked out on us first time around.
Posted by: aldi_01, October 17, 2023, 6:54am; Reply: 38
I think I remember the chairman saying that one of his objectives was to communicate better with the fans. Seems that’s slipped by the wayside.
What exactly do you want them to communicate? I for one like the fact we only hear from them when absolutely necessary, from a club perspective anyway. If this was the old regime we’d have had two merlot soaked, midnight woe is me statements that rattle on about intercourse all by now, making us an embarrassment.
Nobody is saying the football is great, even the manager and players would tel you that. In the leaked documentary they even talk about the poor spell we had the year we went up (a spell much worse than this) and what they did to get out of it.
However, most realise that sacking managers was the cycle in which we found ourselves several times in our recent history and with the exception of Hurst, it almost always ended up being a bit of a failure, it just seems many of our fans have forgotten that. I keep hearing that fans wanting to keep Hurst lack ambition, weird really, I’d argue entering a cycle of sacking shows lack of ambition. Surely it’s about thick and thin and all that jazz…
What’s even more weird is this sly dig at owners etc when things don’t go well, mainly towards their political leanings, like that’s somehow a negative. Odd that the right leaning members of our fan base use that as a stick to beat them yet the left leaning didn’t go after Fenty the same way. I mean we could’ve, and probably should’ve after he let the likes of Johnson wear s town hat or Farij speak his bollcoks, but people didn’t, other than to say it was a silly move and not an ideal piece of PR.
It’s all a bit weird and right now, the reason that’s makes going to the match hard isn’t the team or performances, it’s the attitudes and behaviours of some of our fans, that’s for me personally, others will disagree but it’s flipping tiring sitting there just listening to people talk absolute flipping nonsense from KO and then blowing a gasket over something, which in truth isn’t really that important is it?
Posted by: chaos33, October 17, 2023, 7:20am; Reply: 39
So we had two managers who, following decent seasons walked out, without really wanting to, says more about the odious girl private running the club at the time than the two that walked…
Posted by: MuddyWaters, October 17, 2023, 7:28am; Reply: 41
So we had two managers who, following decent seasons walked out, without really wanting to, says more about the odious girl private running the club at the time than the two that walked…
Agreed. My response was to the point about ‘being careful what we wished for’ the first time he left.
Posted by: aldi_01, October 17, 2023, 7:32am; Reply: 42
Agreed. My response was to the point about ‘being careful what we wished for’ the first time he left.
What most of the idiots desperate to see him fail don’t see is that the worst decision ever, under Fenty was allowing Hurst to leave. The club/Fenty killed any sense of momentum after that promotion but Hurst was somehow getting a tune out of a far worse side than the one we came up with, and in truth, his departure started the slow cycle back to non league…
Posted by: 1mickylyons, October 17, 2023, 7:36am; Reply: 43
What most of the idiots desperate to see him fail don’t see is that the worst decision ever, under Fenty was allowing Hurst to leave. The club/Fenty killed any sense of momentum after that promotion but Hurst was somehow getting a tune out of a far worse side than the one we came up with, and in truth, his departure started the slow cycle back to non league…
Not sure how you work out the side was worse? £1 M striker in Bogle his hatrick home to Stevenage season highlight Henderson in goal Solid back 4
Posted by: MuddyWaters, October 17, 2023, 7:38am; Reply: 44
What most of the idiots desperate to see him fail don’t see is that the worst decision ever, under Fenty was allowing Hurst to leave. The club/Fenty killed any sense of momentum after that promotion but Hurst was somehow getting a tune out of a far worse side than the one we came up with, and in truth, his departure started the slow cycle back to non league…
I don’t disagree but Fenty isn’t here anymore, we are a better club and have a better budget yet the results and performances are still pish.
As was pointed out to me yesterday, we might, under different circumstances, have only won once this season had Barrow brought their shooting boots and Salford kept eleven on the pitch.
I know that’s ifs and buts but he did have a point.
Posted by: ginnywings, October 17, 2023, 11:54am; Reply: 45
I don’t disagree but Fenty isn’t here anymore, we are a better club and have a better budget yet the results and performances are still pish.
As was pointed out to me yesterday, we might, under different circumstances, have only won once this season had Barrow brought their shooting boots and Salford kept eleven on the pitch.
I know that’s ifs and buts but he did have a point.
And we might have won Saturday if we had eleven on the pitch and had our shooting boots on. We might also have also won at Bradford, Walsall, Tranmere and got a point at Swindon and home to Crawley.
It's not really a credible argument is it?
Posted by: MuddyWaters, October 17, 2023, 12:05pm; Reply: 46
And we might have won Saturday if we had eleven on the pitch and had our shooting boots on. We might also have also won at Bradford, Walsall, Tranmere and got a point at Swindon and home to Crawley.
It's not really a credible argument is it?
I did actually say that in my conversation. It's all ifs and buts.
Posted by: Dodorondon, October 17, 2023, 12:12pm; Reply: 47
It seems Scunny fans are a lot happier than us…… as previously mentioned our armchair critics rule…. Apparently :(
Posted by: DB, October 17, 2023, 3:31pm; Reply: 48
What most of the idiots desperate to see him fail don’t see is that the worst decision ever, under Fenty was allowing Hurst to leave. The club/Fenty killed any sense of momentum after that promotion but Hurst was somehow getting a tune out of a far worse side than the one we came up with, and in truth, his departure started the slow cycle back to non league…
I don't think it is a matter of wanting him to fail, but his decisions seem to be failing. Team selection, tactics and lack of attacking at home. I would like him to succeed but it is up to him to change his ways. If plan A doesn't work use plan B, C, D or whatever will work.
Posted by: Norseman, October 18, 2023, 12:26am; Reply: 49
What most of the idiots desperate to see him fail don’t see is that the worst decision ever, under Fenty was allowing Hurst to leave. The club/Fenty killed any sense of momentum after that promotion but Hurst was somehow getting a tune out of a far worse side than the one we came up with, and in truth, his departure started the slow cycle back to non league…
So those that want him gone and a change from this crap style { if you can call it a style of play } in your words are idiots ???? Yer right
Posted by: GrimPol, October 18, 2023, 7:46am; Reply: 51
What most of the idiots desperate to see him fail don’t see is that the worst decision ever, under Fenty was allowing Hurst to leave. The club/Fenty killed any sense of momentum after that promotion but Hurst was somehow getting a tune out of a far worse side than the one we came up with, and in truth, his departure started the slow cycle back to non league…
Can I ask a question? Is there a time limit on "It's All Fenty's Fault" I mean when The New Fishy ( or it could be The New New New Fishy by then) is still going strong in 2053, there will need to be Explanatory Notes and Trigger Warnings supplied about who Fenty was.
I'm just asking like, as some on this site are harbouring deep-seated emotional trauma about that era. The NHS will need to set aside some spaces and chuck out malingering Ukrainian kids who have only seen their parents annihilated to make way for Mariner Fans suffering from the much more debilitating Fenty Syndrome.
Do get a grip.
Posted by: Sandford1981, October 18, 2023, 8:58am; Reply: 53
Can I ask a question? Is there a time limit on "It's All Fenty's Fault" I mean when The New Fishy ( or it could be The New New New Fishy by then) is still going strong in 2053, there will need to be Explanatory Notes and Trigger Warnings supplied about who Fenty was.
I'm just asking like, as some on this site are harbouring deep-seated emotional trauma about that era. The NHS will need to set aside some spaces and chuck out malingering Ukrainian kids who have only seen their parents annihilated to make way for Mariner Fans suffering from the much more debilitating Fenty Syndrome.
Do get a grip.
If only there was a suitable quote about those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it…
If you’re a failure and a cretin to boot, it tends to stick in the memory and isn’t easily eradicated.
He who shall not be named’s tenure will forever be used as a barometer for failure and be used as a marker to ensure we don’t return to it.
Posted by: GrimPol, October 18, 2023, 10:09am; Reply: 54
If only there was a suitable quote about those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it…
If your a failure and a cretin to boot, it tends to stick in the memory and isn’t easily eradicated.
He who shall not be named’s tenure will forever be used as a barometer for failure and be used as a marker to ensure we don’t return to it.
As usual, if you don't have an argument, a riposte or can't string together a coherent viewpoint, then calling a fellow man "If your a failure and a cretin to boot" will have to do I suppose. Sad really.
Posted by: Sandford1981, October 18, 2023, 11:08am; Reply: 55
As usual, if you don't have an argument, a riposte or can't string together a coherent viewpoint, then calling a fellow man "If your a failure and a cretin to boot" will have to do I suppose. Sad really.
If you are going to call me out for coherence then at least make sure your reply makes sense too. I didn’t call him a ‘if your a failure and a cretin to boot’ I called him a ‘failure ‘ and a ‘cretin’ but obviously I’m being pedantic and tongue in cheek!
I take the point you’re trying to make though and perhaps I could have listed the many failures and cretinous things he did to support what I was saying but they’ve been covered so often and there have been so many that I didn’t want to repeat them all. Perhaps I should have just expressed the sentiment that we should not forget the past so that we are not doomed to repeat it.
Posted by: HerveJosse, October 18, 2023, 11:24am; Reply: 56
Ffs another Fenty thread
Posted by: forza ivano, October 18, 2023, 7:24pm; Reply: 57
not quite as boring as another anti Hurst thread, or the sly anti 1878 digs whenever certain posters get a chance. You know the sort Herve, don't you? ;)
Posted by: Phil the cod, October 20, 2023, 11:11am; Reply: 58
None on this site has the right to ask to shut down the post. (Assuming they are not libellous, or downright insulting-various) If you don't like it, ignore it and don't reply to it. Cancel Culture is corrosive to democracy, be it on the outside world or The Fishy.
Well said, I don't agree with his post but utterly respect his right to an opinion. In a fair and free society, opinions you don't like made by people you don't like are the fuel of intelligent debate.
Posted by: GrimPol, October 20, 2023, 6:49pm; Reply: 59
If you are going to call me out for coherence then at least make sure your reply makes sense too. I didn’t call him a ‘if your a failure and a cretin to boot’ I called him a ‘failure ‘ and a ‘cretin’ but obviously I’m being pedantic and tongue in cheek!
I take the point you’re trying to make though and perhaps I could have listed the many failures and cretinous things he did to support what I was saying but they’ve been covered so often and there have been so many that I didn’t want to repeat them all. Perhaps I should have just expressed the sentiment that we should not forget the past so that we are not doomed to repeat it.
Getting easy ticks by dissing the last regime is great as far as it goes, but actually solves nothing. Your view is that you are doing us all a favour and reminding us "Lest we forget" how bad things were. And yet here we are struggling, with a Manager employed by the last regime, who took us down (he had his work cut out tbf) an insipid L2 finishlast season (again tbf a short time to get his team together) and when all the pieces are in place, we have a bad start. We have DaleH coming in moaning that his mate has beastly things said on this site, but doesn't even mention our problem, but "he is sure" that PH will sort it, without actually saying how. Others of course think the 21st Group has the answers on their spreadsheets, and people believe them. Yes they may extract the last 5% but now we need 50% uplift to save this season. The best input is from someone that PH should recruit to play his system or play the system for players he's recruited. It's probably correct. So keep wallawing in the past, getting oodles of upticks whilst adding nothing of value to the discussion in hand. What are we going to do?
Posted by: 1mickylyons, October 20, 2023, 8:18pm; Reply: 60
Getting easy ticks by dissing the last regime is great as far as it goes, but actually solves nothing. Your view is that you are doing us all a favour and reminding us "Lest we forget" how bad things were. And yet here we are struggling, with a Manager employed by the last regime, who took us down (he had his work cut out tbf) an insipid L2 finishlast season (again tbf a short time to get his team together) and when all the pieces are in place, we have a bad start. We have DaleH coming in moaning that his mate has beastly things said on this site, but doesn't even mention our problem, but "he is sure" that PH will sort it, without actually saying how. Others of course think the 21st Group has the answers on their spreadsheets, and people believe them. Yes they may extract the last 5% but now we need 50% uplift to save this season. The best input is from someone that PH should recruit to play his system or play the system for players he's recruited. It's probably correct. So keep wallawing in the past, getting oodles of upticks whilst adding nothing of value to the discussion in hand. What are we going to do?
Might I suggest clapping along in a rather happy manner it seems the go to for many.
Posted by: MuddyWaters, October 20, 2023, 8:29pm; Reply: 61
Getting easy ticks by dissing the last regime is great as far as it goes, but actually solves nothing. Your view is that you are doing us all a favour and reminding us "Lest we forget" how bad things were. And yet here we are struggling, with a Manager employed by the last regime, who took us down (he had his work cut out tbf) an insipid L2 finishlast season (again tbf a short time to get his team together) and when all the pieces are in place, we have a bad start. We have DaleH coming in moaning that his mate has beastly things said on this site, but doesn't even mention our problem, but "he is sure" that PH will sort it, without actually saying how. Others of course think the 21st Group has the answers on their spreadsheets, and people believe them. Yes they may extract the last 5% but now we need 50% uplift to save this season. The best input is from someone that PH should recruit to play his system or play the system for players he's recruited. It's probably correct. So keep wallawing in the past, getting oodles of upticks whilst adding nothing of value to the discussion in hand. What are we going to do?
What worries me is that PH is reverting to type in his pre match interviews. Today he alluded to the players lack of confidence being due to the pressure from the fans. Alienating the fan base isn’t the wisest way forward.
Posted by: Hagrid, October 20, 2023, 8:39pm; Reply: 62
What worries me is that PH is reverting to type in his pre match interviews. Today he alluded to the players lack of confidence being due to the pressure from the fans. Alienating the fan base isn’t the wisest way forward.
I listened to the RH One and heard nothing of the sort?
Posted by: Sandford1981, October 20, 2023, 8:42pm; Reply: 63
Getting easy ticks by dissing the last regime is great as far as it goes, but actually solves nothing. Your view is that you are doing us all a favour and reminding us "Lest we forget" how bad things were. And yet here we are struggling, with a Manager employed by the last regime, who took us down (he had his work cut out tbf) an insipid L2 finishlast season (again tbf a short time to get his team together) and when all the pieces are in place, we have a bad start. We have DaleH coming in moaning that his mate has beastly things said on this site, but doesn't even mention our problem, but "he is sure" that PH will sort it, without actually saying how. Others of course think the 21st Group has the answers on their spreadsheets, and people believe them. Yes they may extract the last 5% but now we need 50% uplift to save this season. The best input is from someone that PH should recruit to play his system or play the system for players he's recruited. It's probably correct. So keep wallawing in the past, getting oodles of upticks whilst adding nothing of value to the discussion in hand. What are we going to do?
My post was not driven by the desire to get ticks nor was it my view that I was doing everyone a favour. I was merely expressing a personal and superficial viewpoint and not a particularly outlandish one at that. You don’t agree with it and that’s fine by me!
Posted by: MuddyWaters, October 20, 2023, 8:52pm; Reply: 64
I listened to the RH One and heard nothing of the sort?
He said that he understood that the fans want the team to be winning games and that it affects confidence if they don’t. I wouldn’t have said it if I hadn’t heard it.
Posted by: Hagrid, October 20, 2023, 9:04pm; Reply: 65
He said that he understood that the fans want the team to be winning games and that it affects confidence if they don’t. I wouldn’t have said it if I hadn’t heard it.
So he didnt say anything about pressure from the fans like you first stated?
He’s actually just said it how it is, that when you dont win, of course it isnt going to help confidence. Bloke cant flipping win
Posted by: MuddyWaters, October 20, 2023, 9:06pm; Reply: 66
Getting easy ticks by dissing the last regime is great as far as it goes, but actually solves nothing. Your view is that you are doing us all a favour and reminding us "Lest we forget" how bad things were. And yet here we are struggling, with a Manager employed by the last regime, who took us down (he had his work cut out tbf) an insipid L2 finishlast season (again tbf a short time to get his team together) and when all the pieces are in place, we have a bad start. We have DaleH coming in moaning that his mate has beastly things said on this site, but doesn't even mention our problem, but "he is sure" that PH will sort it, without actually saying how. Others of course think the 21st Group has the answers on their spreadsheets, and people believe them. Yes they may extract the last 5% but now we need 50% uplift to save this season. The best input is from someone that PH should recruit to play his system or play the system for players he's recruited. It's probably correct. So keep wallawing in the past, getting oodles of upticks whilst adding nothing of value to the discussion in hand. What are we going to do?
I thought he came with the full backing of the current regime?
Posted by: GibMariner, October 21, 2023, 8:13am; Reply: 72
He did have their backing according to what I was told, they, the new regime were actually in the interview with PH, which was months before they finally took over the club.
Posted by: Rick12, October 21, 2023, 8:25am; Reply: 73
Why on earth can't people behave with just a touch of decency and decorum in these situations? It costs nothing to show respect and express yourself without resorting to juvenile sniping. I know we all feel a bit harder sitting behind a computer screen and keyboard but gracious me. The golden rule all parents teach all children - "treat people with the respect..........."
One of the best posts I've read on here for a long time. Both left and right of the political divide and middle of the road ( me ) can do well to be reminded of the above.
Posted by: 1mickylyons, October 21, 2023, 9:50am; Reply: 74
Can I ask a question? Is there a time limit on "It's All Fenty's Fault" I mean when The New Fishy ( or it could be The New New New Fishy by then) is still going strong in 2053, there will need to be Explanatory Notes and Trigger Warnings supplied about who Fenty was.
I'm just asking like, as some on this site are harbouring deep-seated emotional trauma about that era. The NHS will need to set aside some spaces and chuck out malingering Ukrainian kids who have only seen their parents annihilated to make way for Mariner Fans suffering from the much more debilitating Fenty Syndrome.
Do get a grip.
I suppose another question -is how much damage of Fenty's inadequecy is still being felt today ?
I would probably suggest quite a lot , still at BP in division 4 seemingly left behind by historically at least smaller clubs.
We have moved on , but turning around our footballing equivalent of the titanic will take time and Captain Birdseye has to be accountable for so much disrepair , for a lifetime IMO.
Posted by: GrimPol, October 21, 2023, 9:59am; Reply: 76
My post was not driven by the desire to get ticks nor was it my view that I was doing everyone a favour. I was merely expressing a personal and superficial viewpoint and not a particularly outlandish one at that. You don’t agree with it and that’s fine by me!
Then let's part on a handshake, and see how we fair at Stockport. UTM
Posted by: Sandford1981, October 21, 2023, 10:04am; Reply: 77
Why on earth can't people behave with just a touch of decency and decorum in these situations? It costs nothing to show respect and express yourself without resorting to juvenile sniping. I know we all feel a bit harder sitting behind a computer screen and keyboard but gracious me. The golden rule all parents teach all children - "treat people with the respect..........."
My sentiments exactly, only when you call somebody out for it the spotlight gets turned on you.
I just wish people would think before they speak or type. People aren't robots, they have feelings. The players don't go out to lose and the manager does care.
If you wouldn't say it to somebody's face then don't say it at all.
Posted by: GrimPol, October 21, 2023, 10:33am; Reply: 79
I thought he came with the full backing of the current regime?
He was employed by the last regime. As to was the new regime on the employment committee some on this site seem to know more.
Posted by: pontoonlew, October 21, 2023, 10:44am; Reply: 80
I’ve got to say the pre & post match interviews this season have really worried me. I’ve not heard Hurst ever blame refs before to the level he has (he’s right, but it’s very unlike him) and the excuses for the performances this season really don’t seem to reflect what I’m seeing every week.
He was also asked if he can understand why fans don’t see this season as progress, instead of answering he went on some weird tangent about Saudi owners & how great everybody else is.
I really want it to work for him and especially us, but something feels off and he seems to be really struggling to address it. Even if we do something against the odds (and it riles me that it’s so unlikely), I still think we’ve got some big issues that aren’t very fixable unless he completely changes his style.
Posted by: 141269 (Guest), October 21, 2023, 10:58am; Reply: 81
Clearly he'll be low on confidence and be all too aware of the mounting pressure on him. As a manager he's got to be diplomatic in his answers and that's where it can come across as a lack of enthusiasm.
He's more of a calm nature.
And let's face it, our last venture with a larger than life media dream manager didn't do us any favours.
Posted by: MuddyWaters, October 21, 2023, 12:06pm; Reply: 82
Quoted from 141269
My sentiments exactly, only when you call somebody out for it the spotlight gets turned on you.
I just wish people would think before they speak or type. People aren't robots, they have feelings. The players don't go out to lose and the manager does care.
If you wouldn't say it to somebody's face then don't say it at all.
My thoughts are that he always has to make a pointed remark about someone, whether it’s the fans or the players. He says he’s an experienced manager - he is - so he should be looking to get the best out of everyone, from the fans to the coaches.
Posted by: Lincoln Mariner 56, October 21, 2023, 12:37pm; Reply: 83
Just wish he would be a little more honest about the previous match. I would feel more confident in him if he had said it was a poor game played by two poor sides on the day and had Eisa scored we may have gone on to win, deserved or not.
His suggestion that we had played quite well and we reacted well to going one down are just not an accurate reflection of what most of the fans thought they had witnessed. Not sure how he can address our poor form if he believes we are playing ok?
Anyway let’s just hope we see a sea change in the next three games and we can start breathing a little easier rather than looking how close to the bottom two we are getting!!
Posted by: Chrisblor, October 21, 2023, 1:33pm; Reply: 84
I don't think he's ever going to front up in a pre or post match interview and admit "yeah we've been shite and keep continually conceding rubbish goals" because of concerns about the impact of publicly admitting that on the players. He'll occasionally make shrouded references about players not doing what he wants and I'm sure behind closed doors he's been very clear about how unacceptable many of our performances have been this season, but he's always been very guarded with both his public praise and criticism of his players.
Now I'd argue that on occasion as a manager there are times when it does pay to be honest about individual and collective performances by the players (as well as your own as their manager), and now would be one of those times if only to keep the fans on board a bit more, but he's not that sort of manager and we'll just have to put up with his approach (unless he can't turn it around and does eventually get the sack).
Posted by: 141269 (Guest), October 21, 2023, 1:41pm; Reply: 85
What we forget is that managers at high level have a trained eye for things. They see things differently to armchair managers like you or I. They have the knowledge of statistical analysis of the opposition and set the team up essentially to counter them.
We just think it's a case of selecting the best 11, picking a formation and sending them out to play. It's far more intense, it's reacting to changes in opposition tactics, substitutions, injuries etc..
So whilst we might say the team were poor today, the manager might say they performed as he asked so therefore thinks they were ok. Judging a manager on his media appearance would be way down my list of priorities.
From an elevated position we see the game differently to a manager at touchline level too.
He knows the players inside out, knows their capabilities and sees them on the training pitch so I have to concede he knows far better than me when it comes to being a football league manager.
Of course there are better managers out there and inevitably at some point we are going to have to make a change. But like that big striker we are all clambering for you can't just pick a manager off the shelf. They have to be available, affordable and want to come to us.
Until then it's a case of supporting what we have and hoping it'll get turned around soon.
Posted by: exiledmeggie, October 21, 2023, 3:15pm; Reply: 86
It never happened when John ran the place!
Posted by: dapperz fun pub, October 21, 2023, 3:43pm; Reply: 87