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Posted by: sonofmadeleymariner, October 16, 2023, 11:20am
Another manager gone. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67121048
Posted by: TAGG, October 16, 2023, 11:26am; Reply: 1
Would have him here tomorrow.
I can only hope.
Posted by: MuddyWaters, October 16, 2023, 11:27am; Reply: 2
Quoted from TAGG
Would have him here tomorrow.
I can only hope.


I’d prefer him here later today 😎💯
Posted by: AncientExiledMariner, October 16, 2023, 11:29am; Reply: 3
So MK Dons, a former league 1 club with higher budget, 2 points above us in the league, and some are so desperate to change, they'll take that...

Bargain bin time it looks like.

Some don't want us to succeed. They just don't want Hurst.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, October 16, 2023, 12:27pm; Reply: 4
All these ambitious clubs above us sacking their managers!!!
Posted by: Davec, October 16, 2023, 12:37pm; Reply: 5
That is now 3 clubs all above us in the league sacking their manager because they want better, and what do we do? Keep it because some fans are happy just to stay up every season
Posted by: supertown, October 16, 2023, 1:39pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from Davec
That is now 3 clubs all above us in the league sacking their manager because they want better, and what do we do? Keep it because some fans are happy just to stay up every season


It’s not the fans choice whether a manager gets sacked , that’s utter rubbish you are spouting
Posted by: arryarryarry, October 16, 2023, 1:49pm; Reply: 7
So MK Dons, a former league 1 club with higher budget, 2 points above us in the league, and some are so desperate to change, they'll take that...

Bargain bin time it looks like.

Some don't want us to succeed. They just don't want Hurst.


So what bin was Hurst in after being sacked by Scunthorpe?
Posted by: AncientExiledMariner, October 16, 2023, 2:08pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from arryarryarry


So what bin was Hurst in after being sacked by Scunthorpe?


"Scunthorpe chairman Peter Swann said Hurst was sacked because of non-footballing reasons and that the relationship between himself and Hurst had simply broken down.[41]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hurst
Posted by: arryarryarry, October 16, 2023, 2:42pm; Reply: 9


"Scunthorpe chairman Peter Swann said Hurst was sacked because of non-footballing reasons and that the relationship between himself and Hurst had simply broken down.[41]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hurst


So what he was still sacked from Scunthorpe as well as being sacked by Ipswich.

Do you know why every other manager has been sacked?
Posted by: AncientExiledMariner, October 16, 2023, 2:45pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from arryarryarry


So what he was still sacked from Scunthorpe as well as being sacked by Ipswich.

Do you know why every other manager has been sacked?


No, but when the owner (the one who does the sacking) publicly comes out and states it, you've kind of got to accept that is why. I understand you want reasons to bash on Hurst, and I'm sure there are many. I'm afraid this one isn't a good example.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, October 16, 2023, 2:50pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from supertown


It’s not the fans choice whether a manager gets sacked , that’s utter rubbish you are spouting


You say that, but let’s see how long Hurst lasts if the few chants from Saturday become more widespread and it really turns toxic. Maybe at Doncaster with over 3,000 Town fans there.
Posted by: diehardmariner, October 16, 2023, 2:53pm; Reply: 12
Think we'll take 3,000?

I think it'll need a good performance on Saturday, even if the result isn't a win, with a very good performance and win against Colchester to get a 'usual' following to Doncaster.  Closer and quicker to get to than a home game for me and I've not bothered with a ticket yet.
Posted by: arryarryarry, October 16, 2023, 3:13pm; Reply: 13


No, but when the owner (the one who does the sacking) publicly comes out and states it, you've kind of got to accept that is why. I understand you want reasons to bash on Hurst, and I'm sure there are many. I'm afraid this one isn't a good example.


So you are close to the ex Scunny chairman or do you just believe what every chairman says.

And where am I bashing Hurst? Just pointing out he has been sacked twice.

You're the one with the agenda here, I bet if Hurst took us down again you would still say he did a good job.
Posted by: 1mickylyons, October 16, 2023, 3:42pm; Reply: 14


"Scunthorpe chairman Peter Swann said Hurst was sacked because of non-footballing reasons and that the relationship between himself and Hurst had simply broken down.[41]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hurst


Ahem he also said don't compare him to Fenty
Posted by: GrimPol, October 16, 2023, 3:45pm; Reply: 15
So MK Dons, a former league 1 club with higher budget, 2 points above us in the league, and some are so desperate to change, they'll take that...

Bargain bin time it looks like.

Some don't want us to succeed. They just don't want Hurst.


Are there any Managers who have not been sacked in League 1,2 ?
Posted by: AncientExiledMariner, October 16, 2023, 4:15pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from arryarryarry


So you are close to the ex Scunny chairman or do you just believe what every chairman says.

And where am I bashing Hurst? Just pointing out he has been sacked twice.

You're the one with the agenda here, I bet if Hurst took us down again you would still say he did a good job.


No, I just assumed you'd be able to click a link, find a reference and read. I guess I was mistaken. Here, let me help:

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/scunthorpe-united-peter-swann-hurst-3797430

Swann said that Hurst was not sacked for football reasons but that there was a breakdown in the relationship between the two but he was unable to elaborate on the reasons why.

“The situation is the relationship has broken down,” Hurst told Radio Humberside.

“It is not a footballing thing, it is not about how we played or how he coaches.

“We have a path we have to take at the football club and one of those paths was to get players out in the summer and what happened was we ended up with five extra.

“The budget coming into Christmas was substantially more than we started the season with.

“A big part of what we needed to do was move people on and get the budget down. That hasn’t happened and we are carrying extra players and financially that isn’t ideal.

“That isn’t the only reason, there are other reasons but breakdown is down to many things that haven’t happened.”

“We are carrying League One wages and our wages are the second biggest in League Two and we cannot sustain that,” Hurst continued.

“I need the fans to trust me. It is not an ideal situation but it is really important the club get on the straight and narrow and get themselves financially stable.

“It is frustrating but I have to make these decisions. I’ve made it and it is what it is.

“It was the best decision for the football club. We have a plan and a budget and I can’t do any more than put a manager in charge to do the job I request.

----

You're as wrong as me as you are about other stuff, and I'm assuming walking you through certain things step by step or paint by numbers won't help you see any better.

(I really don't like to play this way, but you went for the ad hominem.)
Posted by: Northbank Mariner, October 16, 2023, 4:47pm; Reply: 17


"Scunthorpe chairman Peter Swann said Hurst was sacked because of non-footballing reasons and that the relationship between himself and Hurst had simply broken down.[41]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hurst


Avsolute BS statement they reeled out...the fans hated the way that played, guess what, they didn't like his negative tactics, the players also weren't happy with his "my way or the highway attutude", and that's come from a player who now plays charity football with my son btw.
He underperformed at Ipswich and he underperformed at Scunthorpe.
Yep, he did wonders at the Shrews but don't be blinded by that, they choked at the end of the season and had a pretty poor run to boot.
Posted by: arryarryarry, October 16, 2023, 5:35pm; Reply: 18


No, I just assumed you'd be able to click a link, find a reference and read. I guess I was mistaken. Here, let me help:

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/scunthorpe-united-peter-swann-hurst-3797430

Swann said that Hurst was not sacked for football reasons but that there was a breakdown in the relationship between the two but he was unable to elaborate on the reasons why.

“The situation is the relationship has broken down,” Hurst told Radio Humberside.

“It is not a footballing thing, it is not about how we played or how he coaches.

“We have a path we have to take at the football club and one of those paths was to get players out in the summer and what happened was we ended up with five extra.

“The budget coming into Christmas was substantially more than we started the season with.

“A big part of what we needed to do was move people on and get the budget down. That hasn’t happened and we are carrying extra players and financially that isn’t ideal.

“That isn’t the only reason, there are other reasons but breakdown is down to many things that haven’t happened.”

“We are carrying League One wages and our wages are the second biggest in League Two and we cannot sustain that,” Hurst continued.

“I need the fans to trust me. It is not an ideal situation but it is really important the club get on the straight and narrow and get themselves financially stable.

“It is frustrating but I have to make these decisions. I’ve made it and it is what it is.

“It was the best decision for the football club. We have a plan and a budget and I can’t do any more than put a manager in charge to do the job I request.

----

You're as wrong as me as you are about other stuff, and I'm assuming walking you through certain things step by step or paint by numbers won't help you see any better.

(I really don't like to play this way, but you went for the ad hominem.)


I haven't a friggin idea what you are on about but again, do you believe everything a chairman says considering he is hated by Scunny fans for what he hàs done to their club.
Posted by: headingly_mariner, October 16, 2023, 5:56pm; Reply: 19
Some times the right move is to hold your nerve and stick with the process. Hurst's teams have often been streaky, a bad run followed by a good run.

It was excrement Saturday and has been a few times this season. But we've also played well quite a few times and not got what we deserved.

I think he's earned more credit than the patience he's getting.

If he stays I expect us to get much better as the season goes on.
Posted by: It Bites, October 16, 2023, 5:57pm; Reply: 20
I’d rather stick with PH if Alexander is our choice
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, October 16, 2023, 6:08pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from Northbank Mariner


Avsolute BS statement they reeled out...the fans hated the way that played, guess what, they didn't like his negative tactics, the players also weren't happy with his "my way or the highway attutude", and that's come from a player who now plays charity football with my son btw.


Just to check, is this the same source who told you that S&P were going to ‘pull the plug’ on Hurst last season?

I’m not involved with Town, other than being a fan, but I do speak to a lot of owners, agents, current and ex-footballers and others in the industry. I have never heard anything negative about Hurst.

Obviously, that doesn’t mean to say that we have not been great this season and we can’t continue defending like this or we will be in danger of relegation.
Posted by: Northbank Mariner, October 16, 2023, 6:41pm; Reply: 22


Just to check, is this the same source who told you that S&P were going to ‘pull the plug’ on Hurst last season?

I’m not involved with Town, other than being a fan, but I do speak to a lot of owners, agents, current and ex-footballers and others in the industry. I have never heard anything negative about Hurst.

Obviously, that doesn’t mean to say that we have not been great this season and we can’t continue defending like this or we will be in danger of relegation.


I've said it came a player who now plays charity football, he was in the Scunny squad under Hurst and another I do know personally, also said that if your face didn't fit you had no chance with him.
And as for the source re JS, that came from Debbie Cooks mouth, happy now??..
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, October 16, 2023, 6:46pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from Northbank Mariner


I've said it came a player who now plays charity football, he was in the Scunny squad under Hurst and another I do know personally, also said that if your face didn't fit you had no chance with him.
And as for the source re JS, that came from Debbie Cooks mouth, happy now??..


I am - thanks

Keep my wife’s mouth out of your fookin mouth 😊
Posted by: ginnywings, October 16, 2023, 7:05pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from Northbank Mariner


I've said it came a player who now plays charity football, he was in the Scunny squad under Hurst and another I do know personally, also said that if your face didn't fit you had no chance with him.
And as for the source re JS, that came from Debbie Cooks mouth, happy now??..


Isn't that the very definition of being a manager?

Posted by: grimsby pete, October 16, 2023, 7:15pm; Reply: 25
There are plenty of players whos face does not fit.

Maguire at Man Utd is a good example.

Not in the team because he not good enough but because his face does not fit with the Dutch manager but still gets picked for England.

He is not too bothered because of the silly money he gets every week.
Posted by: aldi_01, October 16, 2023, 7:59pm; Reply: 26
Imagine wanting to sack your own manager for one that has literally just been sacked, and sacked by a made up bunch of girl privates at that…flipping mind blowing.

This place really is a cesspit at times…
Posted by: WOZOFGRIMSBY, October 16, 2023, 11:09pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from grimsby pete
There are plenty of players whos face does not fit.

Maguire at Man Utd is a good example.

Not in the team because he not good enough but because his face does not fit with the Dutch manager but still gets picked for England.

He is not too bothered because of the silly money he gets every week.


Phil jones for me is the prime example. Was at Man Utd for 10 years (give or take) and must’ve been on in the region of £250k per month. Now, that’s not bad is it!

Edit : 😳😳😳😳😳

https://www.thesportsman.com/articles/the-phil-jones-era-is-ending-a-13-6m-error-both-he-and-man-utd-will-regret
Posted by: aldi_01, October 17, 2023, 7:26am; Reply: 28
Saying a footballers managers job is under threat following a bad spell and claiming it as some insider knowledge is like claiming you figured night follows day before anyone else…
Posted by: GrimPol, October 17, 2023, 9:33am; Reply: 29
Quoted from aldi_01
Imagine wanting to sack your own manager for one that has literally just been sacked, and sacked by a made up bunch of girl privates at that…flipping mind blowing.

This place really is a cesspit at times…


I've asked this question before, but no answers.
Are there any managers in League 1, 2 that haven't been sacked in their career?
Posted by: buckstown, October 17, 2023, 9:47am; Reply: 30
Understand the odds aren't an accurate guide, but Mike Williamson the Gateshead manager is 1-3 for next franchise manager.
His reputation seems to be growing strongly
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, October 17, 2023, 9:49am; Reply: 31
Quoted from GrimPol


I've asked this question before, but no answers.
Are there any managers in League 1, 2 that haven't been sacked in their career?


Plenty I would imagine.

Mousinho and Evatt for starters.
Posted by: Poojah, October 17, 2023, 10:17am; Reply: 32


Plenty I would imagine.

Mousinho and Evatt for starters.


Mark Bonner. Paul Warne. Mark Kennedy. Matt Bloomfield. Pete Wild. Scott Lindsey. Simon Weaver. Neil Wood.

It’s quite a good number tbf, even when you exclude those who’ve only been in managerial roles for 10 minutes.
Posted by: LocalLadGTFC, October 17, 2023, 1:35pm; Reply: 33
Mike Williamson taking the job, they'll be a team to fear when he gets there stamp on them. One of the most promising managers around.
Posted by: aldi_01, October 17, 2023, 4:32pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from LocalLadGTFC
Mike Williamson taking the job, they'll be a team to fear when he gets there stamp on them. One of the most promising managers around.


Not a reflection on him necessarily but I hope it’s a fuckinh disaster and the whole thing blows up…
Posted by: moosey_club, October 17, 2023, 6:51pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from aldi_01
Saying a footballers managers job is under threat following a bad spell and claiming it as some insider knowledge is like claiming you figured night follows day before anyone else…


Pfffffttttt.......you clown ....day follows night 🙄
Posted by: WOZOFGRIMSBY, October 17, 2023, 7:13pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from moosey_club


Pfffffttttt.......you clown ....day follows night 🙄


In the words of Zoe:

I wanna see the sunshine after the rain
Posted by: 137 (Guest), October 18, 2023, 4:36am; Reply: 37
Mike Williamson appointed:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67131976
Posted by: paramariner, October 18, 2023, 6:46pm; Reply: 38
Lincoln have sacked manager and assistant
Posted by: Poojah, October 18, 2023, 7:01pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from paramariner
Lincoln have sacked manager and assistant


Hadn’t realised Danny Butterfield was the assistant there. Gone too.
Posted by: 1mickylyons, October 18, 2023, 7:07pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from Poojah


Hadn’t realised Danny Butterfield was the assistant there. Gone too.


Imagine getting the boot for being midtable in League 1.
Posted by: HerveJosse, October 18, 2023, 7:13pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from 1mickylyons


Imagine getting the boot for being midtable in League 1.


Started well had a  4 match wobble and the bullet is delivered.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, October 18, 2023, 7:15pm; Reply: 42
To be fair to Lincoln 15 points from 11 and 16th is a poor return for an ambitious L1 club.
Posted by: ancientmariner54, October 18, 2023, 7:20pm; Reply: 43
Quoted from TAGG
Would have him here tomorrow.
I can only hope.


Why?
Posted by: SpiritOf98, October 18, 2023, 7:23pm; Reply: 44
Quoted from 1mickylyons


Imagine getting the boot for being midtable in League 1.


They only brought in a new loanee, Jack Vale yesterday. Odd move to make with a sacking looming, unless somethings gone off very suddenly.
Posted by: Abdul19, October 18, 2023, 7:28pm; Reply: 45
He signed on deadline day, but was injured.
Posted by: diehardmariner, October 18, 2023, 7:28pm; Reply: 46
Lot of discontent with Kennedy last few weeks. Talk of losing the dressing room, player fall-outs.... Even splits amongst the fan base.

Familiar, eh?

Spoke to a couple of Imps fans tonight and they were frothing at the mouth for the Cowley's to come back.

As a sidenote, there's a DN35 interview with Danny Butterfield a few years back. He comes across superbly and mentioned that he applied for the job in 2019 when Holloway got it. Can't be certain without re-listening, but sure he said something along the lines that Fenty didn't even give him the time of day and from the outside looking in, it was clear Holloway was a disaster in waiting.
Posted by: BobbyCummingsTackle, October 18, 2023, 7:36pm; Reply: 47
Quoted from Poojah


Mark Bonner. Paul Warne. Mark Kennedy. Matt Bloomfield. Pete Wild. Scott Lindsey. Simon Weaver. Neil Wood.

It’s quite a good number tbf, even when you exclude those who’ve only been in managerial roles for 10 minutes.


Not. Aged. Well. ;D
Posted by: WOZOFGRIMSBY, October 18, 2023, 8:07pm; Reply: 48
Quoted from ancientmariner54


Why?


Apart from the scunts rivalry, I wouldn’t exactly be disappointed if he was chosen to follow on from PH (if/when he leaves the club), mainly because the bar has been set so low previously

He got manager of the month for august this season where neil Harris, sacked a couple of weeks ago, was nominated also. And, his stats aren’t actually that bad.

Liam Richardson or David artell would probably be names linked too (IF hurst goes)
Posted by: pontoonlew, October 18, 2023, 9:55pm; Reply: 49
You have to imagine we’d have had a good chance at tempting Williamson here had we had a vacancy…
Posted by: It Bites, October 19, 2023, 7:57pm; Reply: 50
I see Gatesheads young and hungry boss is headed to mK
Posted by: GrimPol, October 19, 2023, 8:36pm; Reply: 51


Plenty I would imagine.

Mousinho and Evatt for starters.


Good shot, but Mousinho just started his first managerial job in 2023, and Evatt was caretaker (incidentally taking over from Jack Lester at Chesterfield) but wasn't made permanent as they went down. Ist that a "sacking"?   Bolton did approach him whilst at Barrow so yes I suppose you are technically "right" but your bending the rules a bit. :)
Talking about Jack Lester, if a vacancy occurred at GTFC, why not him? At least he could teach young Rose how to dive properly. ;D
Posted by: GrimPol, October 19, 2023, 8:39pm; Reply: 52
Quoted from moosey_club


Pfffffttttt.......you clown ....day follows night 🙄


Did the chicken follow the egg at the same time?
Posted by: GrimPol, October 19, 2023, 8:46pm; Reply: 53
Quoted from Poojah


Mark Bonner. Paul Warne. Mark Kennedy. Matt Bloomfield. Pete Wild. Scott Lindsey. Simon Weaver. Neil Wood.

It’s quite a good number tbf, even when you exclude those who’ve only been in managerial roles for 10 minutes.


Most 1 team managers on the start, your not playing to the "rules"  :)
Posted by: Poojah, October 19, 2023, 10:03pm; Reply: 54
Quoted from GrimPol


Most 1 team managers on the start, your not playing to the "rules"  :)


Nope, “most” of them have had at least two jobs in senior men’s football. Warne. Kennedy. Bloomfield. Wild. Lindsey.

You can add John Brady and Neil Collins to your list if you like. :)
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