Jason do all the corporate spreadsheets you like even an imbecile can see 3 wins in 17 is not acceptable.
As the Ipswich fans said Hurst is an anagram of Hurts.

Back to school on Monday.

Don't think he will be getting sacked, but certainly needs to be in Stockwood's office explaining himself and asking for help.

Why do you have to get personal? In what way is he a loser. He’s given the club more success and exposure in 18 months than others have given us in 25 years.

Business = spreadsheets

Quoted from LH

Business = spreadsheets

I'm sure Stockwood Excels in Spreadsheets  8)

He’s no good at football budgets blows it all on no mark players on 3 years deals.

Quoted from Yoda

He’s no good at football budgets blows it all on no mark players on 3 years deals.

No mark players such as Kamil Conteh that will probably make the club millions?

Quoted from LocalLadGTFC

No mark players such as Kamil Conteh that will probably make the club millions?

He will need to up his game after the last few games.

Quoted from Yoda

Jason do all the corporate spreadsheets you like even an imbecile can see 3 wins in 17 is not acceptable.
As the Ipswich fans said Hurst is an anagram of Hurts.

Instead of childish, ill thought out statements like this, why not try to offer your opinion or suggestions on how we improve? Why are there always some people who have to turn any situation into a slanging match?

Quoted from LocalLadGTFC

No mark players such as Kamil Conteh that will probably make the club millions?

There is zero chance that a defensive midfielder in L2 is getting sold for millions.

Quoted from Yoda

Jason do all the corporate spreadsheets you like even an imbecile can see 3 wins in 17 is not acceptable.
As the Ipswich fans said Hurst is an anagram of Hurts.

See the village has let the idiot out on day release!..

Quoted from pen penfras

There is zero chance that a defensive midfielder in L2 is getting sold for millions.

What we sell him for is one thing , how much we make longer term is another.

Thanks Yoda lad. Whenever I start having doubts about the management and the squad I read your wisdom and give my head a wobble.

Quoted from LocalLadGTFC

No mark players such as Kamil Conteh that will probably make the club millions?

Conteh certainly has potential but at the minute he isn't looking anything special, which I would say is because of where he is being played.
He was that far back yesterday, he was nearly stood at the dock tower in the first half.

Conteh needs to be centre midfield driving forward, like he was when he played for Gateshead.
Currently hes being wasted in defensive midfielder and doing nothing but picking up bookings.

Quoted from Corkyefes

Conteh certainly has potential but at the minute he isn't looking anything special, which I would say is because of where he is being played.
He was that far back yesterday, he was nearly stood at the dock tower in the first half.

Conteh needs to be centre midfield driving forward, like he was when he played for Gateshead.
Currently hes being wasted in defensive midfielder and doing nothing but picking up bookings.

Gateshead manager will now how to get the best out of him when he is appointed
Well you have to have dreams in life don’t you

Quoted from Corkyefes

Conteh certainly has potential but at the minute he isn't looking anything special, which I would say is because of where he is being played.
He was that far back yesterday, he was nearly stood at the dock tower in the first half.

Conteh needs to be centre midfield driving forward, like he was when he played for Gateshead.
Currently hes being wasted in defensive midfielder and doing nothing but picking up bookings.

I totally agree but I know there's already teams sniffing around, we'll be lucky to have him here next season.

Judging by the number of staff that have left since JS & AP took over, I don't think they are afraid to move people out if they don't perform.
They also believe in stability so I would imagine they will be looking at the big picture to try to find a solution. If it turns out that Hurst and his team are the problem, then they won't hesitate to remove them.
They are very clever people who will look at problems and work out a solution. Give them credit and let them work it out. Name calling and foaming at the mouth is not the solution.

Quoted from mimma

Judging by the number of staff that have left since JS & AP took over, I don't think they are afraid to move people out if they don't perform.
They also believe in stability so I would imagine they will be looking at the big picture to try to find a solution. If it turns out that Hurst and his team are the problem, then they won't hesitate to remove them.
They are very clever people who will look at problems and work out a solution. Give them credit and let them work it out. Name calling and foaming at the mouth is not the solution.

Disagree, theres a big difference between getting rid of a few office staff, than getting rid of a football manager.

Quoted from mimma

Judging by the number of staff that have left since JS & AP took over, I don't think they are afraid to move people out if they don't perform.
They also believe in stability so I would imagine they will be looking at the big picture to try to find a solution. If it turns out that Hurst and his team are the problem, then they won't hesitate to remove them.
They are very clever people who will look at problems and work out a solution. Give them credit and let them work it out. Name calling and foaming at the mouth is not the solution.

There's an awful lot of gumf, on here, Twitter and FB, with very little rationality shown, but occasionally you come across a little bit of clarity, like this, so thank you.

And I Don't think there is Corky, the principle is the same, Don't perform and you get replaced. The only difference is the criteria used to measure performance, it's different for office staff and managers, but if you under perform you are out

One more point, JS and AP see first hand what's 'sgoing on every day.at the club where as us fans only see 90 minutes on a Saturday. Leaving the ground I heared all sorts of stuff from fans on what is going on inside the club. How do they know what is said in the dressing room, or what happened in training? It's really ridiculous some of the things that was said.

Quoted from jimgtfc

Instead of childish, ill thought out statements like this, why not try to offer your opinion or suggestions on how we improve? Why are there always some people who have to turn any situation into a slanging match?

Whilst Yoda may go over the top a bit, I am sure his suggestion for how we improve is to sack Paul Hurst.

Quoted from mimma

And I Don't think there is Corky, the principle is the same, Don't perform and you get replaced. The only difference is the criteria used to measure performance, it's different for office staff and managers, but if you under perform you are out

One more point, JS and AP see first hand what's 'sgoing on every day.at the club where as us fans only see 90 minutes on a Saturday. Leaving the ground I heared all sorts of stuff from fans on what is going on inside the club. How do they know what is said in the dressing room, or what happened in training? It's really ridiculous some of the things that was said.

Pretty sure if you stand in the right spot at the back of the mainstand you can hear what's being said in the dressing room .

Ooh there's some major troll feeding going on in this thread.

Quoted from barralad

Ooh there's some major troll feeding going on in this thread.

There is, and ik not sure getting personal in the thread title is helpful either.

Just to add fuel to the fire, Stockwood has been seen leaving early at the last few home games. If we take away the fact of him being the co-owner and chairman and remember he is a massive Grimsby Town fan, I doubt he's enjoying the games as much as we aren't now.
Also, JS&AP approached Hurst before the take over was completed, he was their "man of choice" and initially it looked like Hurst let them down with the relegation, they showed faith and he repaid that with a play off of play offs and an FA Cup quarter final along with a mini football fortune.
Again, a slump in the NL, a slump in Lg2 last season, they stood by him and showed faith once more.
So, the board have a decision to make, stand by Hurst and show faith for a fourth time, hope he can turn it around, or bite the bullet, take it on the chin that Hurst has taken us as far as he can, shake his hand, sign the cheque and thank him for his services rather than risk of getting involved in a relegation scrap once more.
Also, as a side note, we were tarnished as perennial losers, that play off campaign and FA Cup run did so much good in healing our reputation, we carry on our current trajectory and that reputation will come back to haunt us

A catastrophe this far out from Christmas, do me a favour. This is L2 and generally rubbish anyway. As long as we don't get stuck in the bottom two I don't see why anyone has a decision to make.

Quoted from Yarborough Vaults

As long as we don't get stuck in the bottom two I don't see why anyone has a decision to make.

If we are stuck in the bottom two then the time for decision is coming far too late.

How bad does it need to get?

Quoted from Yarborough Vaults

A catastrophe this far out from Christmas, do me a favour. This is L2 and generally rubbish anyway. As long as we don't get stuck in the bottom two I don't see why anyone has a decision to make.

If not being in the bottom two is the full extent of our ambition then we might as well quit now. I’m not one that thinks we have a divine right to be L1 or higher, the majority of my lifetime we haven’t been and I’m in my 30s. But if we can’t at least compete in L2 averaging over 6000 in attendances and with a once in a century FA cup run boosting the coffers then what’s the point?

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

There is, and ik not sure getting personal in the thread title is helpful either.

Just to add fuel to the fire, Stockwood has been seen leaving early at the last few home games. If we take away the fact of him being the co-owner and chairman and remember he is a massive Grimsby Town fan, I doubt he's enjoying the games as much as we aren't now.
Also, JS&AP approached Hurst before the take over was completed, he was their "man of choice" and initially it looked like Hurst let them down with the relegation, they showed faith and he repaid that with a play off of play offs and an FA Cup quarter final along with a mini football fortune.
Again, a slump in the NL, a slump in Lg2 last season, they stood by him and showed faith once more.
So, the board have a decision to make, stand by Hurst and show faith for a fourth time, hope he can turn it around, or bite the bullet, take it on the chin that Hurst has taken us as far as he can, shake his hand, sign the cheque and thank him for his services rather than risk of getting involved in a relegation scrap once more.
Also, as a side note, we were tarnished as perennial losers, that play off campaign and FA Cup run did so much good in healing our reputation, we carry on our current trajectory and that reputation will come back to haunt us

He could be leaving games early for a majority of reasons, he lives in Manchester doesn't he?  I can't blame him for wanting to skip the last 5 minutes to save half-an-hour in traffic.  

I agree with what you're saying though, we've made progress under this current set-up of 1878 and Hurst.  Improvement is never a consistent upward line, but there has to be a point where you look at the bigger picture and see what's coming up ahead of you.  If we're not careful all the good work of the last 2 years could easily be undone.  I still think the appetite for people coming through the gates is the thing that will either save Hurst or cost him his job.  It's all well that we've got £100,000's of money in the bank from season ticket sales already for this season, but if in October and November we already see numbers of those ST holders not attending, that's a bloody good indication they won't renew next season.   Colchester at home in 8 days time could be a hammer blow.  Weather turning, Champions League on the box, uninspiring football, bad results, be very limited away following.  Could be comfortably under 4,000.  I think Barrow at home a few weeks ago was 4,800ish.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

There is, and ik not sure getting personal in the thread title is helpful either.

Just to add fuel to the fire, Stockwood has been seen leaving early at the last few home games. If we take away the fact of him being the co-owner and chairman and remember he is a massive Grimsby Town fan, I doubt he's enjoying the games as much as we aren't now.
Also, JS&AP approached Hurst before the take over was completed, he was their "man of choice" and initially it looked like Hurst let them down with the relegation, they showed faith and he repaid that with a play off of play offs and an FA Cup quarter final along with a mini football fortune.
Again, a slump in the NL, a slump in Lg2 last season, they stood by him and showed faith once more.
So, the board have a decision to make, stand by Hurst and show faith for a fourth time, hope he can turn it around, or bite the bullet, take it on the chin that Hurst has taken us as far as he can, shake his hand, sign the cheque and thank him for his services rather than risk of getting involved in a relegation scrap once more.
Also, as a side note, we were tarnished as perennial losers, that play off campaign and FA Cup run did so much good in healing our reputation, we carry on our current trajectory and that reputation will come back to haunt us

Hardly a slump finishing 11th in our first season back in the EFL

Yep.

Just those 13 games mid-season when we picked up 7 points...

Quoted from diehardmariner

He could be leaving games early for a majority of reasons, he lives in Manchester doesn't he?  

Near-ish.

Prestbury - b/w Stockport & Macclesfield.

Popular with footballers and the Cheshire set.

Quoted from 123614

Hardly a slump finishing 11th in our first season back in the EFL

Think he means the poor league run around this time last year.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

There is, and ik not sure getting personal in the thread title is helpful either.

Just to add fuel to the fire, Stockwood has been seen leaving early at the last few home games. If we take away the fact of him being the co-owner and chairman and remember he is a massive Grimsby Town fan, I doubt he's enjoying the games as much as we aren't now.
Also, JS&AP approached Hurst before the take over was completed, he was their "man of choice" and initially it looked like Hurst let them down with the relegation, they showed faith and he repaid that with a play off of play offs and an FA Cup quarter final along with a mini football fortune.
Again, a slump in the NL, a slump in Lg2 last season, they stood by him and showed faith once more.
So, the board have a decision to make, stand by Hurst and show faith for a fourth time, hope he can turn it around, or bite the bullet, take it on the chin that Hurst has taken us as far as he can, shake his hand, sign the cheque and thank him for his services rather than risk of getting involved in a relegation scrap once more.
Also, as a side note, we were tarnished as perennial losers, that play off campaign and FA Cup run did so much good in healing our reputation, we carry on our current trajectory and that reputation will come back to haunt us

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be bad form if the Chairman of the club left home games early therefore not entertaining the opponents Chairman and Board?  I'm pretty sure that JS is not that kind of person.

Quoted from Yarborough Vaults

A catastrophe this far out from Christmas, do me a favour. This is L2 and generally rubbish anyway. As long as we don't get stuck in the bottom two I don't see why anyone has a decision to make.

That's a bit naive. We are 3 games away from being bottom, or in 8 days times at 5 pm.  Some 5 games back I was laughing as it was inconceivable. I'm not laughing now.
We have been demoted and hence twice as shy.

Quoted from GrimPol

That's a bit naive. We are 3 games away from being bottom, or in 8 days times at 5 pm.  Some 5 games back I was laughing as it was inconceivable. I'm not laughing now.
We have been demoted and hence twice as shy.

Exactly. At half time in the Bradford game, we were 2nd in the live table.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

There is, and ik not sure getting personal in the thread title is helpful either.

Just to add fuel to the fire, Stockwood has been seen leaving early at the last few home games. If we take away the fact of him being the co-owner and chairman and remember he is a massive Grimsby Town fan, I doubt he's enjoying the games as much as we aren't now.
Also, JS&AP approached Hurst before the take over was completed, he was their "man of choice" and initially it looked like Hurst let them down with the relegation, they showed faith and he repaid that with a play off of play offs and an FA Cup quarter final along with a mini football fortune.
Again, a slump in the NL, a slump in Lg2 last season, they stood by him and showed faith once more.
So, the board have a decision to make, stand by Hurst and show faith for a fourth time, hope he can turn it around, or bite the bullet, take it on the chin that Hurst has taken us as far as he can, shake his hand, sign the cheque and thank him for his services rather than risk of getting involved in a relegation scrap once more.
Also, as a side note, we were tarnished as perennial losers, that play off campaign and FA Cup run did so much good in healing our reputation, we carry on our current trajectory and that reputation will come back to haunt us

You say this as if it is guaranteed that we will improve under a new manager. We might, but we might not.

If he goes, he goes, but a new manager is no cure all, as we know all too well.

It's a very simplistic viewpoint to my mind.

Quoted from ginnywings

You say this as if it is guaranteed that we will improve under a new manager. We might, but we might not.

If he goes, he goes, but a new manager is no cure all, as we know all too well.

It's a very simplistic viewpoint to my mind.

On the other hand, we may improve under Hurst or we may not. Same logic applies.

My concerns are the lack of effort, poor body language and lack of passion. That signifies a deeper issue which I'm sure will be addressed.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

On the other hand, we may improve under Hurst or we may not. Same logic applies.

My concerns are the lack of effort, poor body language and lack of passion. That signifies a deeper issue which I'm sure will be addressed.

Absolutely agree on your first point.

Not so sure on the second. When a team is losing games, of course the body language will be poor, it's human nature. I see a team low on confidence and belief, which isn't always solely down to the manager. The question is whether the board think he can turn it around, as he's done before. Again I say, that's not our decision to make.

There seems to be this idea that something isn't right behind the scenes, but you always hear stuff like that when a team is underperforming, and the usual cliches are trotted out. "The manager has lost the dressing room". "The players have downed tools". etc etc.

Someone says it, and then someone repeats it, and before you know it, social media is alive with rumour and speculation.

Quoted from ginnywings

Absolutely agree on your first point.

Not so sure on the second. When a team is losing games, of course the body language will be poor, it's human nature. I see a team low on confidence and belief, which isn't always solely down to the manager. The question is whether the board think he can turn it around, as he's done before. Again I say, that's not our decision to make.

There seems to be this idea that something isn't right behind the scenes, but you always hear stuff like that when a team is underperforming, and the usual cliches are trotted out. "The manager has lost the dressing room". "The players have downed tools". etc etc.

Someone says it, and then someone repeats it, and before you know it, social media is alive with rumour and speculation.

Whether he’s lost the dressing room or not, he’s losing fans by the boatload at present.

No he isn’t. At least only the armchair supporters.

Yeah, I'm always very sceptical of the talk around upset in the dressing room etc.  A lot was made of Rose's reaction to coming off, it was one of the few things I actually liked about Saturday.  I want players to be drunk off when they're taken off, especially when we're chasing a game.  

The comments from Maher's Mum on Twitter, she's waded in before hasn't she?  I take that with a pinch of salt.

Clifton post game sounded lower than a snakes belly.  But so he should after such a drab display.

But something distinctly feels off.  You can't always pinpoint what it is, but it's definitely there.

Quoted from ginnywings

You say this as if it is guaranteed that we will improve under a new manager. We might, but we might not.

If he goes, he goes, but a new manager is no cure all, as we know all too well.

It's a very simplistic viewpoint to my mind.

Youve chosen to cherry pick a line to make your point I'm afraid.
There's nothing simplistic in what I'm saying, mt statement is this, there's an honourable way to sack a manager, Hurst at least deserves that.

"You say this as if it is guaranteed that we will improve under a new manager. We might, but we might not" is more simplistic than my own view point!!
You don't move forward standing still pal, abd right now, under Hurst, we are bloody reverse down a 1 in 4!!..

I see a lot about Hurst having earnt the right to turn things around as he has before, which would be fine had that been in the EFL.

The reality is, the good will towards Hurst was earnt based on his Non League performance. If you took away one decent season with Shrewsbury, his record at this level is poor at best and one that shows very little evidence that he can turn it around at this level.

It would be interesting to know how many of those supporting Hurst and promoting the idea that he should be given x amount of games to prove himself are attending the games week in, week out? I'm not for one minute insinuating that doesn't give someone a valid opinion (Less or no games attended). As an occasional attender, or armchair supporter, performances and entertainment value have little meaning and are thus discounted when discussing issues around the team and management.  But I cannot believe for one minute that anyone can attend recent games and not come out thinking there is something fundamentally amiss with the team (including manager and coaching). I cannot believe you don't come out after 90 + minutes feeling dejected, feeling Hurst and entertainment  don't exist in the same universe.

Regardless of promotions, results, points, cup runs etc his style of play in the league is soul destroying, to the degree we saw the mass exodus on Saturday, coupled with an unrivalled sense of negativity ever since. I would even argue that much of this has been steadily building since last season despite the cup run and final league placement.

To those who are anxious regarding the search for a replacement to Paul, often citing the managers we had in after his last exit, I would argue that having Stockwood and Pettit instead of Fenty in charge of recruitment will result in us recruiting better standard of manager. I'm sure we can all agree on that.

I'm loathe to defend Fenty but I keep seeing the same comments about his crap choice of Manager. I never heard too many complaints about Newell,Holloway, Jolley or Bignot when appointed and upon Buckley 3rd spell I was straight in the ticket office buying a season ticket. The 3 I recall him getting grief for was Slade 2,Woods and Rodger the latter 2 classed as cheap option.

Quoted from heppy88

It would be interesting to know how many of those supporting Hurst and promoting the idea that he should be given x amount of games to prove himself are attending the games week in, week out? I'm not for one minute insinuating that doesn't give someone a valid opinion (Less or no games attended). As an occasional attender, or armchair supporter, performances and entertainment value have little meaning and are thus discounted when discussing issues around the team and management.  But I cannot believe for one minute that anyone can attend recent games and not come out thinking there is something fundamentally amiss with the team (including manager and coaching). I cannot believe you don't come out after 90 + minutes feeling dejected, feeling Hurst and entertainment  don't exist in the same universe.

Regardless of promotions, results, points, cup runs etc his style of play in the league is soul destroying, to the degree we saw the mass exodus on Saturday, coupled with an unrivalled sense of negativity ever since. I would even argue that much of this has been steadily building since last season despite the cup run and final league placement.

To those who are anxious regarding the search for a replacement to Paul, often citing the managers we had in after his last exit, I would argue that having Stockwood and Pettit instead of Fenty in charge of recruitment will result in us recruiting better standard of manager. I'm sure we can all agree on that.

Your stamina is impressive!!

Would Stockwood and Pettit have a football person to advise on this? Its new territory for them after 2 years of solid progress?

Quoted from Wainmans Gloves

Would Stockwood and Pettit have a football person to advise on this? Its new territory for them after 2 years of solid progress?

There is a bloke called Buckley that lives local no reason he couldn't sit as an advisor on football matters.

Quoted from Wainmans Gloves

Would Stockwood and Pettit have a football person to advise on this? Its new territory for them after 2 years of solid progress?

Don’t they have a guy who’s had a long history with FIFA sitting on the board as a volunteer advisor ?

Quoted from heppy88

It would be interesting to know how many of those supporting Hurst and promoting the idea that he should be given x amount of games to prove himself are attending the games week in, week out? I'm not for one minute insinuating that doesn't give someone a valid opinion (Less or no games attended). As an occasional attender, or armchair supporter, performances and entertainment value have little meaning and are thus discounted when discussing issues around the team and management.  But I cannot believe for one minute that anyone can attend recent games and not come out thinking there is something fundamentally amiss with the team (including manager and coaching). I cannot believe you don't come out after 90 + minutes feeling dejected, feeling Hurst and entertainment  don't exist in the same universe.

Regardless of promotions, results, points, cup runs etc his style of play in the league is soul destroying, to the degree we saw the mass exodus on Saturday, coupled with an unrivalled sense of negativity ever since. I would even argue that much of this has been steadily building since last season despite the cup run and final league placement.

To those who are anxious regarding the search for a replacement to Paul, often citing the managers we had in after his last exit, I would argue that having Stockwood and Pettit instead of Fenty in charge of recruitment will result in us recruiting better standard of manager. I'm sure we can all agree on that.

I am saying another 4 games and I do go to the home games. I get the point as it has been crap but I am prepared to roll the dice for a few more games. The home style of play has been stagnant for a while but I would not pull the trigger yet utm

Quoted from 1mickylyons

I'm loathe to defend Fenty but I keep seeing the same comments about his crap choice of Manager. I never heard too many complaints about Newell,Holloway, Jolley or Bignot when appointed and upon Buckley 3rd spell I was straight in the ticket office buying a season ticket. The 3 I recall him getting grief for was Slade 2,Woods and Rodger the latter 2 classed as cheap option.

But this is just the managerial version of everyone creaming themselves at the sight of every single signing made, this is literally at every single club up and down the country.  You only have to look on Twitter when any side signs some 2-bob 19-year-old midfielder from Hartlepool's reserves.  It's full of pictures of the seagull inhaling before a big E-I-E-I-E...chant or anything remotely related to HMS urine The League.  It's just the nature of fans to get excited, very easily, isn't it?

Fenty's job was to make sure he got the recruitment right.  Due diligence would have told him that Newell was a liability and would spend more time in the pub than on the training ground, it would have identified that Bignot wasn't ready for that step-up on his own (hell, he was sold on Bignot just because he drove a hard bargain when we signed Bogle).  

He had access to people and information that we, as fans, don't.  

Quoted from 1mickylyons

I'm loathe to defend Fenty but I keep seeing the same comments about his crap choice of Manager. I never heard too many complaints about Newell,Holloway, Jolley or Bignot when appointed and upon Buckley 3rd spell I was straight in the ticket office buying a season ticket. The 3 I recall him getting grief for was Slade 2,Woods and Rodger the latter 2 classed as cheap option.

Early warning he’s creeping into this thread as well

3 wins in 17 games is crazy. Following being given the biggest budget he will probably have managing town. Has to go